thatguy
Footballguy
I think it means no one wants to start an argument with you.
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World's Greatest Draft (2 Viewers)
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
they all got responses...and I find it funny that you think all the debates are my fault... obviously you didn't actually read any of them...(which I'm finding to be a very real problem... am i the only person actually reading this thread?)
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thatguy
Footballguy
Obviously.
thatguy
Footballguy
Apparently.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
none of the debates would have been 10% as long as they were if the other people in them read what I had said rather than just responding to the first 3 words of my post no matter what they were and telling me I was wrong...but since most people aren't actually reading this thread, no one knows that... and since its easy to blame all the faults of any thread I'm in on me (since you are guaranteed to have a bunch of people jump on the pile to blame it on me), well, we're where we are at now...
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
Elizabeth I of England - Celebrity
Elizabeth I of England has inspired artistic and cultural works for over four centuries. The following lists cover various media, enduring works of high art, and recent representations in popular culture, film and fiction. The entries represent portrayals that a reader has a reasonable chance of encountering rather than a complete catalogue.
Elizabeth's own writings, which were considerable, were collected and published by the University of Chicago Press as Elizabeth I: Collected Works.
The Portraiture of Elizabeth I glorified her during her reign and masked her age in their later portraits. Elizabeth was often painted in rich and stylised gowns. Elizabeth is often shown holding a sieve, a symbol of virginity [1].
Although she is not seen in the performance, the birth of Elizabeth is proclaimed in a scene of Shakespeare's play King Henry VIII.
One of Elizabeth's nicknames was "The Faerie Queen", after the poem in her honour by xxxxxxxxxxxx.
Elizabeth is a character in the play Mary Stuart by xxxxxxxxxx (1800).
The three-volume Gothic romance novel, The Recess, by xxxxxxxx.
Elizabeth is a character in the 1821 novel Kenilworth, by xxxxxxxxxx.
The young Elizabeth is a minor character in Mark Twain's novel The Prince and the Pauper.
20th century American Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright xxxxxxxxxxxxx dramatized episodes of Elizabeth's life in two of his most popular plays, Elizabeth the Queen (1930) and Mary of Scotland (1933).
xxxxxxxxxx wrote the Good Queen Bess trilogy based on Elizabeth's youth: Young Bess (1945), Elizabeth, Captive Princess (1950), and Elizabeth and the Prince of Spain (1953).
xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote a definitive Tudor trilogy: Catherine the Queen (1968), A Crown for Elizabeth (1970), and Gloriana: The Years of Elizabeth I (1973), with the latter two books focusing on Elizabeth's youth and reign.
My Enemy the Queen by xxxxxxxxx (1982)
Legacy by xxxxxxxxxxxx (1985).
Queen of This Realm by xxxxxxxxxx (1985).
Much Suspected of Me by xxxxxxxxxxxx (1991)
The Queen and the Gypsy by xxxxxxxxxxx(1991)
I, Elizabeth by xxxxxxxxxxx(1994).
To Shield the Queen, a series of eight books featuring Ursula Blanchard, Lady in waiting to Elizabeth, by xxxxxxxxxxxx (1997–2006).
Elizabeth's story is told for children in Elizabeth I, Red Rose of the House of Tudor, a book by xxxxxxxxxx in the Royal Diaries series published by Scholastic (1999).
Author xxxxxxxxxxx has written a mystery series about Elizabeth. Included in this series are nine fictional novels. They are: The Poyson Garden (2000), The Tidal Poole (2000), The Twylight Tower (2002), The Queene's Cure (2003), The Thorne Maze (2003), The Queene's Christmas (2004), The Fyre Mirror (2006), The Fatal Fashione (2006), and The Hooded Hawke (2007).
Beware, Princess Elizabeth is a novel for children by xxxxxxxxxx (2001).
Virgin: Prelude to the Throne by xxxxxxxx (2001). Elizabeth's story is spliced with her mother's in Maxwell's book The Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn. Maxwell also writes of a fictional child of Elizabeth and Dudley in The Queen's ******* (1999).
Author xxxxxxxxxxx portrayed Elizabeth as a character in four out of her five books on the Tudors. She is seen as a baby and a child in The Other Boleyn Girl (2001), a child in The Boleyn Inheritance (2006), a young woman in The Queen's Fool (2003), and a young queen in The Virgin's Lover (2004).
A historical fantasy of Elizabeth's life, featuring elven guardians, is recounted in This Scepter'd Isle (2004), Ill Met by Moonlight (2005), and By Slanderous Tongues (2007) by xxxxxxxxxxxx.
An aged and dying Queen Elizabeth was a central character in the 2005 Marvel Comics series Marvel 1602.
A Storm of Angels, a 2005 Doctor Who audio drama, featured Kate Brown as the Gloriana of a parallel history
Queen Elizabeth I: A Children's Picture Book by xxxxxxxxxxxx(2005)
Queen Elizabeth I and Her Conquests by xxxxxxxxxxxxxx(2006)
The 2007 book Innocent Traitor by Alison Weir about Lady Jane Grey features Elizabeth as a young woman.
The 2008 book The Lady Elizabeth by xxxxxxxxxxfeatures Elizabeth as a young girl from the death of her mother to her coronation and her relationships with her half siblings and her father.
In the 2007 Broadway musical The Pirate Queen, an Irish chieftain, Grace O'Malley, challenges Elizabeth I's takeover of Ireland.
Elizabeth Bear's Promethean Age books Ink & Steel and Hell & Earth are set in the final decade of Elizabeth's reign and feature her prominently.
Elizabeth the Queen, a play by xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Elizabeth Rex, a play by xxxxxxxxx (2000)
The Princeling, Volume 3 of The Morland Dynasty, a series of historical novels by author Cynthia Harrod-Eagles. The fictional Nanette Morland is her servant and mentor, having previously been a close friend, servant and confidante of Elizabeth's mother, xxxxxxxx.Opera
xxxxxxxxxx wrote a 1692 semi-opera The Fairy-Queen, an adaptation of Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. One of Elizabeth's nicknames was "The Faerie Queen", after the poem in her honour by Edmund Spenser.
xxxxxxxxx wrote his first Neapolitan opera on the subject of Elizabeth I, Elisabetta, regina d'Inghiliterra, in 1814–15, ultimately based on a three-volume Gothic romance novel, The Recess, by Sophia Lee.
Elizabeth appears in three operas by xxxxxxxxxx, Maria Stuarda (1834), based on Schiller's play, Elisabetta al castello di Kenilworth, and Roberto Devereux (1837) about her affair with the Earl of Essex.
xxxxxxxxxxx wrote an opera, Gloriana, about the relationship between Elizabeth and Essex, composed for the 1953 coronation of Elizabeth II.Film and television
There have been numerous notable portrayals of Queen Elizabeth on film and television; in fact, she is the most filmed British monarch.[2][3] George MacDonald Fraser wrote "no historic figure has been represented more honestly in the cinema, or better served by her players".[4]
Film
In the cinema, Elizabeth has been portrayed by:
Sarah Bernhardt in the French silent short Les Amours de la reine Élisabeth (1912), dramatising Elizabeth's love affair with the Earl of Essex
Gladys Ffolliott in the British silent comedy Old Bill Through the Ages (1924), featuring the character Old Bill created by Bruce Bairnsfather
Athene Seyler in Drake of England (1935)
Florence Eldridge in Mary of Scotland (1936), an adaptation of Maxwell Anderson's play with Katharine Hepburn as Mary, Queen of Scots
Gwendolyn Jones in The Prince and the Pauper (1937)
Yvette Pienne in the French film Les Perles de la couronne (1937)
Flora Robson in Fire Over England (1937) and The Sea Hawk (1940)
Bette Davis in The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex (1939) and The Virgin Queen (1955)
Maria Koppenhöfer in the German film Das Herz der Königin (1940), about Mary, Queen of Scots
Olga Lindo in the British time travel comedy Time Flies (1944)
Jean Simmons in Young Bess (1953), about her early years
Agnes Moorehead in The Story of Mankind (1957)
Irene Worth in Seven Seas to Calais (1962)
Catherine Lacey in The Fighting Prince of Donegal (1966)
Glenda Jackson in Mary, Queen of Scots (1971), with Vanessa Redgrave as Mary
Jenny Runacre in Derek Jarman's film Jubilee (1977)
Lalla Ward in Crossed Swords (1977), an adaptation of The Prince and the Pauper
Quentin Crisp in Orlando (1992)
Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth (1998) and its sequel Elizabeth: The Golden Age (2007), for both of which she was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Actress.
Judi Dench in Shakespeare in Love (1998), for which she won the Academy Award for Best Supporting ActressTelevision
On television, Elizabeth has been portrayed by:
Dorothy Black in the BBC drama The Dark Lady of the Sonnets (1946)
Mildred Natwick in Mary of Scotland (1951), an adaptation of Maxwell Anderson's play in the American Pulitzer Prize Playhouse series
Maxine Audley in the BBC series Kenilworth (1957), an adaptation of Scott's novel
Peggy Thorpe-Bates in the BBC series Queen's Champion (1958)
Mecha Ortiz in the Argentinian drama Elizabeth Is Dead (1960), about Elizabeth's last hours
Jane Wenham in the BBC series An Age of Kings (1960), which contained all Shakespeare's history plays from Richard II to Richard III
Jean Kent in the British adventure series Sir Francis Drake (1961)
Katya Douglas in The Prince and the Pauper (1962), part of the American TV series Disneyland
Vivienne Bennett in "The Executioners" episode of the BBC series Doctor Who (1965)
Susan Engel in the BBC series The Queen's Traitor (1967), about the Ridolfi plot
Judith Anderson in Elizabeth the Queen (1968), an adaptation of Maxwell Anderson's play in the American series Hallmark Hall of Fame for which she was nominated for an Emmy Award
Gemma Jones in the BBC series Kenilworth (1968), another adaptation of Scott's novel
Glenda Jackson in the BBC series Elizabeth R (1971), for which she won two Emmy Awards
Hattie Jacques in the "Orgy and Bess" episode of the British comedy series Carry On Laughing (1975)
Patience Collier in the ATV drama series Life of Shakespeare (1978)
Charlotte Cornwell in the British drama Drake's Venture (1980), with John Thaw as Francis Drake
Rosalind Plowright in a BBC adaptation of Donizetti's opera Mary Stuart (1982)
Sarah Walker in an adaptation of Britten's opera Gloriana (1984)
Miranda Richardson in the BBC comedy series Blackadder II (1986) and the Millennium episode Blackadder: Back & Forth (2000)
Helen Baxendale in the "An Evil Business" episode of the Granada Television drama documentary series In Suspicious Circumstances (1996), about the death of Amy Robsart
Josephine Barstow in another adaptation of Britten's opera Gloriana (2000)
Imogen Slaughter in the drama documentary Elizabeth (2000), in which Karen Archer played her as an older woman and Saskia Blackwell as a child
Margot Kidder in the "Her Grace Under Pressure" episode of the American science fiction series Mentors (2001)
Lorna Lacey in the Granada Television serial Henry VIII (2003)
Catherine McCormack in the BBC series Gunpowder, Treason & Plot (2004)
Anne-Marie Duff in the BBC series The Virgin Queen (2005)
Helen Mirren in the miniseries Elizabeth I (2005), for which she won an Emmy Award
Angela Pleasence in "The Shakespeare Code" episode of Doctor Who (2007), appearing in the closing scene and claiming that the Doctor is her sworn enemy.
Elizabeth I of England has inspired artistic and cultural works for over four centuries. The following lists cover various media, enduring works of high art, and recent representations in popular culture, film and fiction. The entries represent portrayals that a reader has a reasonable chance of encountering rather than a complete catalogue.
Elizabeth's own writings, which were considerable, were collected and published by the University of Chicago Press as Elizabeth I: Collected Works.
The Portraiture of Elizabeth I glorified her during her reign and masked her age in their later portraits. Elizabeth was often painted in rich and stylised gowns. Elizabeth is often shown holding a sieve, a symbol of virginity [1].
Although she is not seen in the performance, the birth of Elizabeth is proclaimed in a scene of Shakespeare's play King Henry VIII.
One of Elizabeth's nicknames was "The Faerie Queen", after the poem in her honour by xxxxxxxxxxxx.
Elizabeth is a character in the play Mary Stuart by xxxxxxxxxx (1800).
The three-volume Gothic romance novel, The Recess, by xxxxxxxx.
Elizabeth is a character in the 1821 novel Kenilworth, by xxxxxxxxxx.
The young Elizabeth is a minor character in Mark Twain's novel The Prince and the Pauper.
20th century American Pulitzer Prize-winning playwright xxxxxxxxxxxxx dramatized episodes of Elizabeth's life in two of his most popular plays, Elizabeth the Queen (1930) and Mary of Scotland (1933).
xxxxxxxxxx wrote the Good Queen Bess trilogy based on Elizabeth's youth: Young Bess (1945), Elizabeth, Captive Princess (1950), and Elizabeth and the Prince of Spain (1953).
xxxxxxxxxxxx wrote a definitive Tudor trilogy: Catherine the Queen (1968), A Crown for Elizabeth (1970), and Gloriana: The Years of Elizabeth I (1973), with the latter two books focusing on Elizabeth's youth and reign.
My Enemy the Queen by xxxxxxxxx (1982)
Legacy by xxxxxxxxxxxx (1985).
Queen of This Realm by xxxxxxxxxx (1985).
Much Suspected of Me by xxxxxxxxxxxx (1991)
The Queen and the Gypsy by xxxxxxxxxxx(1991)
I, Elizabeth by xxxxxxxxxxx(1994).
To Shield the Queen, a series of eight books featuring Ursula Blanchard, Lady in waiting to Elizabeth, by xxxxxxxxxxxx (1997–2006).
Elizabeth's story is told for children in Elizabeth I, Red Rose of the House of Tudor, a book by xxxxxxxxxx in the Royal Diaries series published by Scholastic (1999).
Author xxxxxxxxxxx has written a mystery series about Elizabeth. Included in this series are nine fictional novels. They are: The Poyson Garden (2000), The Tidal Poole (2000), The Twylight Tower (2002), The Queene's Cure (2003), The Thorne Maze (2003), The Queene's Christmas (2004), The Fyre Mirror (2006), The Fatal Fashione (2006), and The Hooded Hawke (2007).
Beware, Princess Elizabeth is a novel for children by xxxxxxxxxx (2001).
Virgin: Prelude to the Throne by xxxxxxxx (2001). Elizabeth's story is spliced with her mother's in Maxwell's book The Secret Diary of Anne Boleyn. Maxwell also writes of a fictional child of Elizabeth and Dudley in The Queen's ******* (1999).
Author xxxxxxxxxxx portrayed Elizabeth as a character in four out of her five books on the Tudors. She is seen as a baby and a child in The Other Boleyn Girl (2001), a child in The Boleyn Inheritance (2006), a young woman in The Queen's Fool (2003), and a young queen in The Virgin's Lover (2004).
A historical fantasy of Elizabeth's life, featuring elven guardians, is recounted in This Scepter'd Isle (2004), Ill Met by Moonlight (2005), and By Slanderous Tongues (2007) by xxxxxxxxxxxx.
An aged and dying Queen Elizabeth was a central character in the 2005 Marvel Comics series Marvel 1602.
A Storm of Angels, a 2005 Doctor Who audio drama, featured Kate Brown as the Gloriana of a parallel history
Queen Elizabeth I: A Children's Picture Book by xxxxxxxxxxxx(2005)
Queen Elizabeth I and Her Conquests by xxxxxxxxxxxxxx(2006)
The 2007 book Innocent Traitor by Alison Weir about Lady Jane Grey features Elizabeth as a young woman.
The 2008 book The Lady Elizabeth by xxxxxxxxxxfeatures Elizabeth as a young girl from the death of her mother to her coronation and her relationships with her half siblings and her father.
In the 2007 Broadway musical The Pirate Queen, an Irish chieftain, Grace O'Malley, challenges Elizabeth I's takeover of Ireland.
Elizabeth Bear's Promethean Age books Ink & Steel and Hell & Earth are set in the final decade of Elizabeth's reign and feature her prominently.
Elizabeth the Queen, a play by xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
Elizabeth Rex, a play by xxxxxxxxx (2000)
The Princeling, Volume 3 of The Morland Dynasty, a series of historical novels by author Cynthia Harrod-Eagles. The fictional Nanette Morland is her servant and mentor, having previously been a close friend, servant and confidante of Elizabeth's mother, xxxxxxxx.Opera
xxxxxxxxxx wrote a 1692 semi-opera The Fairy-Queen, an adaptation of Shakespeare's A Midsummer Night's Dream. One of Elizabeth's nicknames was "The Faerie Queen", after the poem in her honour by Edmund Spenser.
xxxxxxxxx wrote his first Neapolitan opera on the subject of Elizabeth I, Elisabetta, regina d'Inghiliterra, in 1814–15, ultimately based on a three-volume Gothic romance novel, The Recess, by Sophia Lee.
Elizabeth appears in three operas by xxxxxxxxxx, Maria Stuarda (1834), based on Schiller's play, Elisabetta al castello di Kenilworth, and Roberto Devereux (1837) about her affair with the Earl of Essex.
xxxxxxxxxxx wrote an opera, Gloriana, about the relationship between Elizabeth and Essex, composed for the 1953 coronation of Elizabeth II.Film and television
There have been numerous notable portrayals of Queen Elizabeth on film and television; in fact, she is the most filmed British monarch.[2][3] George MacDonald Fraser wrote "no historic figure has been represented more honestly in the cinema, or better served by her players".[4]
Film
In the cinema, Elizabeth has been portrayed by:
Sarah Bernhardt in the French silent short Les Amours de la reine Élisabeth (1912), dramatising Elizabeth's love affair with the Earl of Essex
Gladys Ffolliott in the British silent comedy Old Bill Through the Ages (1924), featuring the character Old Bill created by Bruce Bairnsfather
Athene Seyler in Drake of England (1935)
Florence Eldridge in Mary of Scotland (1936), an adaptation of Maxwell Anderson's play with Katharine Hepburn as Mary, Queen of Scots
Gwendolyn Jones in The Prince and the Pauper (1937)
Yvette Pienne in the French film Les Perles de la couronne (1937)
Flora Robson in Fire Over England (1937) and The Sea Hawk (1940)
Bette Davis in The Private Lives of Elizabeth and Essex (1939) and The Virgin Queen (1955)
Maria Koppenhöfer in the German film Das Herz der Königin (1940), about Mary, Queen of Scots
Olga Lindo in the British time travel comedy Time Flies (1944)
Jean Simmons in Young Bess (1953), about her early years
Agnes Moorehead in The Story of Mankind (1957)
Irene Worth in Seven Seas to Calais (1962)
Catherine Lacey in The Fighting Prince of Donegal (1966)
Glenda Jackson in Mary, Queen of Scots (1971), with Vanessa Redgrave as Mary
Jenny Runacre in Derek Jarman's film Jubilee (1977)
Lalla Ward in Crossed Swords (1977), an adaptation of The Prince and the Pauper
Quentin Crisp in Orlando (1992)
Cate Blanchett in Elizabeth (1998) and its sequel Elizabeth: The Golden Age (2007), for both of which she was nominated for the Academy Award for Best Actress.
Judi Dench in Shakespeare in Love (1998), for which she won the Academy Award for Best Supporting ActressTelevision
On television, Elizabeth has been portrayed by:
Dorothy Black in the BBC drama The Dark Lady of the Sonnets (1946)
Mildred Natwick in Mary of Scotland (1951), an adaptation of Maxwell Anderson's play in the American Pulitzer Prize Playhouse series
Maxine Audley in the BBC series Kenilworth (1957), an adaptation of Scott's novel
Peggy Thorpe-Bates in the BBC series Queen's Champion (1958)
Mecha Ortiz in the Argentinian drama Elizabeth Is Dead (1960), about Elizabeth's last hours
Jane Wenham in the BBC series An Age of Kings (1960), which contained all Shakespeare's history plays from Richard II to Richard III
Jean Kent in the British adventure series Sir Francis Drake (1961)
Katya Douglas in The Prince and the Pauper (1962), part of the American TV series Disneyland
Vivienne Bennett in "The Executioners" episode of the BBC series Doctor Who (1965)
Susan Engel in the BBC series The Queen's Traitor (1967), about the Ridolfi plot
Judith Anderson in Elizabeth the Queen (1968), an adaptation of Maxwell Anderson's play in the American series Hallmark Hall of Fame for which she was nominated for an Emmy Award
Gemma Jones in the BBC series Kenilworth (1968), another adaptation of Scott's novel
Glenda Jackson in the BBC series Elizabeth R (1971), for which she won two Emmy Awards
Hattie Jacques in the "Orgy and Bess" episode of the British comedy series Carry On Laughing (1975)
Patience Collier in the ATV drama series Life of Shakespeare (1978)
Charlotte Cornwell in the British drama Drake's Venture (1980), with John Thaw as Francis Drake
Rosalind Plowright in a BBC adaptation of Donizetti's opera Mary Stuart (1982)
Sarah Walker in an adaptation of Britten's opera Gloriana (1984)
Miranda Richardson in the BBC comedy series Blackadder II (1986) and the Millennium episode Blackadder: Back & Forth (2000)
Helen Baxendale in the "An Evil Business" episode of the Granada Television drama documentary series In Suspicious Circumstances (1996), about the death of Amy Robsart
Josephine Barstow in another adaptation of Britten's opera Gloriana (2000)
Imogen Slaughter in the drama documentary Elizabeth (2000), in which Karen Archer played her as an older woman and Saskia Blackwell as a child
Margot Kidder in the "Her Grace Under Pressure" episode of the American science fiction series Mentors (2001)
Lorna Lacey in the Granada Television serial Henry VIII (2003)
Catherine McCormack in the BBC series Gunpowder, Treason & Plot (2004)
Anne-Marie Duff in the BBC series The Virgin Queen (2005)
Helen Mirren in the miniseries Elizabeth I (2005), for which she won an Emmy Award
Angela Pleasence in "The Shakespeare Code" episode of Doctor Who (2007), appearing in the closing scene and claiming that the Doctor is her sworn enemy.
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larry_boy_44
Footballguy
dude, seriously, at least I'm trying to actually participate in the thread rather than just derail everything and ##### about everything like other people around here are...
Mister CIA
Footballguy
I think I can kill two birds with one stone here.let's add the "Person I'd most like to have a beer with" and "best rack" categories.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I know you don't want to engage in an argument, you'd rather just bog down the thread with your constant #####ing about everything...
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
Yet 4 of the last 10 posts are you being snippy with Larry.Less of this, more talking about picks. Isn't that what you wanted?
Mister CIA
Footballguy
Word.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
ah and here comes misfitblondes who adds absolutely nothing to this thread except constant sarcastic remarks about whatever I say...
oh joy...
oh joy...
flysack
Footballguy
And here we go!
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
13.04 FUBAR - Next Selection, clock is off
13.05 Acer FC - On Deck
13.06 Yankee23fan - In The Hole
13.07 Thorn
13.08 DC Thunder
13.09 Doug B
13.11 Big Rocks
13.10 Mad Sweeney
13.12 higgins
13.13 John Madden's Lunchbox
13.14 Usual21
13.15 thatguy
13.05 Acer FC - On Deck
13.06 Yankee23fan - In The Hole
13.07 Thorn
13.08 DC Thunder
13.09 Doug B
13.11 Big Rocks
13.10 Mad Sweeney
13.12 higgins
13.13 John Madden's Lunchbox
13.14 Usual21
13.15 thatguy
flysack
Footballguy
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
oh look, flysack is here to do the same thing misfitblondes is doing...
I wonder how this thread would be if we didn't have multiple people who did nothing but insult me in their posts throughout the entire thread???
Anyone else ever wonder about that?
'Cuz it sounds wonderful to me...
I wonder how this thread would be if we didn't have multiple people who did nothing but insult me in their posts throughout the entire thread???
Anyone else ever wonder about that?
'Cuz it sounds wonderful to me...
mad sweeney
Footballguy
I just got in trouble at work for laughing when I shouldn't have. Couldn't help it, this "nobody reads what I write" shtick slays me every time.
thatguy
Footballguy
Exactly.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I liked 14 the best of any French leader I looked at, they built a lot of stuff during his reign.Not sure where it will rank, very very deep category.It's not a horrible pick, it's just there have been a lot of good leaders already drafted.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
wow... so we now have 4 people currently posting in this thread who post about nothing other than to ##### about me or insult me in some way...
And we all wonder why this thread sucks as much as it does...
Ever consider that maybe, just maybe, its because of these idiots? 'Cuz it is...
And we all wonder why this thread sucks as much as it does...
Ever consider that maybe, just maybe, its because of these idiots? 'Cuz it is...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I almost held off on picking a leader until much later...but I have no idea how many people have a leader slotted as a leader since most of the leaders qualify in at least one other category...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Today I caught up with about 6 days worh of our World's Greatest Draft thread.This was by far the best post out of the 2,000 I looked at:
MisfitBlondes said:All those in favour of Larry only being allowed 3 posts to refute someone's opinion, please raise your hand.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
or maybe, just maybe, if you (and the 4+ others) who do nothing but ##### about me would stop, we could actually have discussions...and maybe, just maybe, if all the people who did nothing but disagree with me just to disagree with me didn't do that, we could actually have discussions...I mean, yeah, I probably should realize at this point that no one is EVER actually trying to have an honest discussion about anything around here with me, but, what can I say? I'm an idealist... I like to think people actually want to talk about things rather than just ask questions they can crack jokes to the answer to...MisfitBlondes said:
go back and read the stuff that has been said... I'd post "the Bible isn't "a disputable document", because its more than one document" and get responded to with pages of people saying "how can you say its indisputable?!"... WTF? Can someone ONE TIME actually read what I say before they ##### about it?Too much to ask around here I guess...honestly, I just really want to quit, this has become a waste of my time... Every post I make (almost including my picks) has at least 5 people either complain about the fact that I said something, or tell me I'm wrong in a way that has nothing to do with anything that was talked about and shows that they read the first 3 words and ignored everything else I said...
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flysack
Footballguy
Today I caught up with about 6 days worh of our World's Greatest Draft thread.This was by far the best post out of the 2,000 I looked at:
MisfitBlondes said:All those in favour of Larry only being allowed 3 posts to refute someone's opinion, please raise your hand.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
see, like this...what is the point of this? You all ##### about my posts, but at least mine have a point other than to waste space, insult people, and ##### about me (oh, and ruin the thread)...Today I caught up with about 6 days worh of our World's Greatest Draft thread.This was by far the best post out of the 2,000 I looked at:
MisfitBlondes said:All those in favour of Larry only being allowed 3 posts to refute someone's opinion, please raise your hand.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
So ummm what do people think of the placement of Elizabeth as a celebrity?
I'm not really this insecure, just trying to change the subject...
I'm not really this insecure, just trying to change the subject...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
There are 20 folks in this draft Larry.
Not one.
This draft isn't all about you.
Go find eMom if you're looking for an iMartyr to commiserate with.
I don't even engage you and I feel like quitting about every third day because I am tired and weary of your b.s.
It's just too much.
Not one.
This draft isn't all about you.
Go find eMom if you're looking for an iMartyr to commiserate with.
I don't even engage you and I feel like quitting about every third day because I am tired and weary of your b.s.
It's just too much.
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I'm not an imartyr, I don't care...its just old when 20 pages of this thread are people #####ing about me (and, no, I don't have nearly that many posts)...I'm not the one making the thread about me...
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John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
I personally think she would be better suited to other categories, even a wildcard.She was a very capable leader and Britain went from the brink of civil war to become a world leader under her reign.Celebrity just dimishes her actual accomplishments. EVen if she won't score high as a Leader, she should score high as a wildcard
thatguy
Footballguy
Agreed. I think she's the perfect Wild Card.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I'm not sure it diminishes her accomplishments, as I don't really buy into the notion of a celebrity being someone with no substance. There is substance to Elizabeth, but also a huge amount of fame and exposition in popular media - to me that is the definition of celebrity.
John Maddens Lunchbox
Footballguy
See the problem is you HAVE to reply to every post with criticism of you.It becomes a cyclical argument or degenerates.Move the process forward.If someone is being a richard toward you, ignore them or reply to someone elses post with a positive comment.I think the attacks on you are harsh and it reminds me of schoolyard bullys, but playing the victim isn't helping one bit.Sometime you have to take a whipping and move forward, not get bogged down in arguments that have no possible positive progress.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Well we were afraid. After all, it was Louis XIV who said: "Apres mois, le deluge".We've seen examples of "le deluge" in your posts.
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Orange Crush
Footballguy
I think this is your first bad pick of the draft. Not to say that Elizabeth doesn't deserve to be drafted, but that she should be in a different category. And it's for the same reason I don't like Mary or King Tut as picks for the category ... their celebrity status today has very little to do with their level of fame while they were alive. Instead it's either been pushed as a cause by another entity, or overly romanticized.
Orange Crush
Footballguy
Larry, I've tried to defend the substance of some of your arguments when I thought you've been right. But you need to realize that your reputation, based solely on your posts in this thread, is the exact opposite of everything you just posted.The worst is you complaining about people not talking about picks. There's a very easy solution, Larry. Talk about picks in your posts.As it stands now, I'm getting ready to put you on my ignore list. Yes, it's that bad!
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
read the last 90 pages of this thread for what happens when I try to talk about picks... it does no good for me to make any argument, no matter the substance, because we've allowed people in here who haven't made any posts at all other than ones #####ing about me being allowed to post (and now everyone has gone silent because of them)...
dparker713
Footballguy
Its not like he's posting to himself, and in general it doesnt seem like the personal attacks start with him.
Ozymandias
Footballguy
Larry, I went back and counted. After you inquired why nobody said anything about YOUR pick, you then posted 12 times. Not once was it about your PICK.
It was about you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you.
It was about you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you, you.
Fennis
Footballguy
I had her pegged as a Leader.
Orange Crush
Footballguy
Unfortunately, I've read the entire thread. There are two major problems here with your posts, Larry. First is, you seem to take every critique of your Christian picks personally, responding like you're the one being criticized. Second is that you think repeating the same argument, word for word, somehow furthers the conversation. This you have been personally criticized for, and deservedly so. What's that famous quote about defining insanity? Doing the same things over and over and expecting a different result?Oh crap, I'm getting sucked in.Larry is making all of us crazy.Ok, I'm done. Back to talking about picks (I hope).
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
did you read what those posts were responses to?I didn't make it about me, I just responded...
larry_boy_44
Footballguy
I had her as a leader, too... one of the infinite number of leaders who are all bunched together with solid arguments for being picked...but i think she fits as a celebrity too...and I prefer the celebrity category with people like Mary, King Tut, Cleopatra, and Elizabeth in it over 20 moder pop culture icons of little-to-no actual justification for being here other than a category that, if taken that way, had no place in the draft...
Orange Crush
Footballguy
Regarding recent picks (at least ones that I'm allowing myself to comment on because of the category):
* Hammurabi as an intellectual is an inspired pick. The "Law Giver" indeed. I think a strong argument could be made that he was the first great intellectual.
* David Ben-Gurion I knew nothing about. Just an area of world history I was completely ignorant of thanks to every world history class I ever took stopping at the close of WWII. Doing a quick read up, that is a very interesting and unique selection. It is pretty rare when you get a guy so instrumental in the birth of a nation and the origins of its institutions. I don't know how he'll measure up, but that's to be expected since he's the 19th Leader selected.
* King Louis XIV - Very interesting pick. The Sun King does have a special place in European history during a period where Europe was branching out across the globe and ... well, ... conquering it. But it can certainly be argued that his greatness was merely a furtherance of Richelieu's accomplishments.
* Hammurabi as an intellectual is an inspired pick. The "Law Giver" indeed. I think a strong argument could be made that he was the first great intellectual.
* David Ben-Gurion I knew nothing about. Just an area of world history I was completely ignorant of thanks to every world history class I ever took stopping at the close of WWII. Doing a quick read up, that is a very interesting and unique selection. It is pretty rare when you get a guy so instrumental in the birth of a nation and the origins of its institutions. I don't know how he'll measure up, but that's to be expected since he's the 19th Leader selected.
* King Louis XIV - Very interesting pick. The Sun King does have a special place in European history during a period where Europe was branching out across the globe and ... well, ... conquering it. But it can certainly be argued that his greatness was merely a furtherance of Richelieu's accomplishments.
thatguy
Footballguy
Hey man, sometimes life comes up. No worries.
mad sweeney
Footballguy
None of those people fit the category description given in the first post. Why define a category if that's not going to be the criteria? I originally liked the Tut pick but when Maryvwas taken I looked back at the category description I felt they didn't fit. Not because of a bias but because they don't fit the category criteria we've all been drafting by.
Arsenal of Doom
Footballguy
I somewhat agree with your assesment of Mary and Tut; however, in Elizabeth's case you have someone who was famous when she was alive and has remained famous for four hundred years. To the extent that her fame has been romanticized after her life, I think that is another carachteristic of celebrity both in life and death.
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