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Late with my write-up for Ericson:

18.12 - Leif Ericsson, Discover/Explorer

Leif Ericson (Old Norse: Leifr Eiríksson) (c. 970 - c. 1020) was a Norse explorer who was probably the first European to land in North America (excluding Greenland). According to the Sagas of Icelanders, he established a Norse settlement at Vinland, which has been tentatively identified with the L'Anse aux Meadows Norse site on the northern tip of the island of Newfoundland in Newfoundland and Labrador, Canada.

Exploring west of Greenland

During a stay in Norway, Leif Ericson converted to Christianity, like many Norse of that time, at the behest of the King of Norway, Olaf I. When he returned to Greenland, he bought Bjarni Herjólfsson's boat and set out to explore the land that Bjarni had seen to the west of Greenland, which was likely coastal Canada.

The Saga of the Greenlanders tells that Leif set out in the year 1003 or 1002 to follow Bjarni's route ... sing the routes, landmarks, currents, rocks, and winds that Bjarni had described to him, Leif sailed some 1,800 miles to the New World with a crew of 35—sailing the same knarr Bjarni had used to make the voyage. He described Helluland as "level and wooded, with broad white beaches wherever they went and a gently sloping shoreline." ... This was possibly Baffin Island. Next he came to a land that was flat and wooded, with white sandy beaches. He called this Markland ("Wood-land"), which is possibly Labrador.

Settlement in Vinland

Leif and his crew left Markland and again found land, which they named Vinland. They landed and built a small settlement. They found the area pleasant as there were wild grapes and plenty of salmon in the river. The climate was mild, with little frost in the winter and green grass year-round. They remained in the region over the winter.

L'Anse aux Meadows site

In 1960, the remains of a Norse village were discovered here by the Norwegian explorer Helge Ingstad and his wife Anne Stine Ingstad, an archaeologist. Archaeologists determined the site is of Norse origin due to definitive similarities between the characteristics of structures and artifacts found at the site and those of Greenlandic and Icelandic sites from around AD 1000.

L'Anse aux Meadows is the only known Norse site in North America, outside of Greenland, and represents the farthest known extent of European exploration and settlement of the New World before the voyages of Christopher Columbus almost 500 years later. It was named a World Heritage site by UNESCO in 1978.

 
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]No, I'm saying that, if Lewis' opinion is a popular one, then for the purposes of this draft, since he can't be divine, he is evil or he is crazy.
What? Lewis' commentary is about how one views Jesus Christ. How can that possibly affect the strength of Jesus as a pick? I don't get it. If I had Marx and Adam Smith on the same team, would one be somehow weakened by the presence of the other?
I think he was trying to see if I'd make an insane, non-sensical rant in response...or a decently thought out, semi-intelligent reason why he's wrong...I don't think he was being entirely serious in what he said, rather he wanted to see what my reaction to it would be...
Once again, you're assuming the worst here Larry. I wasn't enticing you. I just found it interesting that you chose to highlight that quote by Lewis.
I'm sorry if it read that way...I definitely didn't mean to make it sound like I was saying that...and I highlighted that quote by Lewis for the same reason I mentioned the quote I did by Francis, its one of my favorites... Lewis' theory on Jesus' divinity I believe is spot on, Jesus really was either insane, evil, or exactly what He said He was, there is no other way we can look at it... The people Lewis was responding to with that greatly annoy me when I have read/studied their works...
 
I guess that would work if Lewis were drafting in this thread and agreed not to consider Jesus' divinity, but he didn't. Anyhow, I'm happy to move on. How about me getting the founder of UNICEF and the guy who formed the foundation of modern law as we know it? Pretty sweet, huh?
Absolutely. Tremendous pick.Might I interest you in a vote for the GAD best team in the FFA at the moment?
 
It has nothing to do with the fact that they're on the same team. I never made that claim - that was your interpretation. In any case, Larry cleared it up nicely and I'm ready to move on. For the purposes of this draft, let's just say, according to Lewis, Jesus was either insane or evil, but nonetheless probably the most influential figure in world history.
That is not even close to what Lewis was saying...You can't frame Lewis' theory on Jesus in terms of this draft...There is no rule that people drafted can't work to prove Jesus was God, only that I can't use "Jesus is God" as a reason to say Jesus was an influential person...What you are doing would be like someone framing John Wesley's sermons the same way (removing all mentions of Jesus as divine from them), only if you did that you'd have very little (if anything) left...
Let me rephrase it. If non-believers buy into what Lewis said, then for the purpose of the draft Jesus is everything I said he was. That's the sole point I'm trying to make. And frankly, I think among non-believers that might be a pretty popular opinion. Since to them, Jesus was not the Son of God, he was either crazy or he was evil. Still, none will deny his influence. I hope this clears it up.
 
Have I mentioned that everyone in here has been great. Truly fun to be with. Arguments are inspiring. Picks - educational. About the only thing that could truly make you all rise to a saintly level in my eyes - and beleive me, you are all close already (yes, even you larry - slap it high for Hulk Hogan) - is if you would be so kind as to go over the GAD vote thread and select the best team there, which just happens to be my team. KThanks.
Absolutely. Tremendous pick.Might I interest you in a vote for the GAD best team in the FFA at the moment?
:tinfoilhat:Shameless.
 
]No, I'm saying that, if Lewis' opinion is a popular one, then for the purposes of this draft, since he can't be divine, he is evil or he is crazy.
What? Lewis' commentary is about how one views Jesus Christ. How can that possibly affect the strength of Jesus as a pick? I don't get it. If I had Marx and Adam Smith on the same team, would one be somehow weakened by the presence of the other?
I think he was trying to see if I'd make an insane, non-sensical rant in response...or a decently thought out, semi-intelligent reason why he's wrong...I don't think he was being entirely serious in what he said, rather he wanted to see what my reaction to it would be...
Once again, you're assuming the worst here Larry. I wasn't enticing you. I just found it interesting that you chose to highlight that quote by Lewis.
I'm sorry if it read that way...I definitely didn't mean to make it sound like I was saying that...and I highlighted that quote by Lewis for the same reason I mentioned the quote I did by Francis, its one of my favorites... Lewis' theory on Jesus' divinity I believe is spot on, Jesus really was either insane, evil, or exactly what He said He was, there is no other way we can look at it... The people Lewis was responding to with that greatly annoy me when I have read/studied their works...
Word. I'm happy to move on. I think we're actually very much on the same page, I just wasn't getting my point across clearly.
 
I guess that would work if Lewis were drafting in this thread and agreed not to consider Jesus' divinity, but he didn't. Anyhow, I'm happy to move on. How about me getting the founder of UNICEF and the guy who formed the foundation of modern law as we know it? Pretty sweet, huh?
Absolutely. Tremendous pick.Might I interest you in a vote for the GAD best team in the FFA at the moment?
I voted.
 
I guess that would work if Lewis were drafting in this thread and agreed not to consider Jesus' divinity, but he didn't. Anyhow, I'm happy to move on. How about me getting the founder of UNICEF and the guy who formed the foundation of modern law as we know it? Pretty sweet, huh?
Absolutely. Tremendous pick.Might I interest you in a vote for the GAD best team in the FFA at the moment?
My ballot has been cast.
 
It has nothing to do with the fact that they're on the same team. I never made that claim - that was your interpretation. In any case, Larry cleared it up nicely and I'm ready to move on. For the purposes of this draft, let's just say, according to Lewis, Jesus was either insane or evil, but nonetheless probably the most influential figure in world history.
That is not even close to what Lewis was saying...You can't frame Lewis' theory on Jesus in terms of this draft...There is no rule that people drafted can't work to prove Jesus was God, only that I can't use "Jesus is God" as a reason to say Jesus was an influential person...What you are doing would be like someone framing John Wesley's sermons the same way (removing all mentions of Jesus as divine from them), only if you did that you'd have very little (if anything) left...
Let me rephrase it. If non-believers buy into what Lewis said, then for the purpose of the draft Jesus is everything I said he was. That's the sole point I'm trying to make. And frankly, I think among non-believers that might be a pretty popular opinion. Since to them, Jesus was not the Son of God, he was either crazy or he was evil. Still, none will deny his influence. I hope this clears it up.
looking at it from the perspective of non-believers, I agree... That was another aspect of Lewis' point... That one who chose not to believe that Jesus is the Son of God cannot then say that he was a good, moral person because good moral people don't claim to be God...
 
I guess that would work if Lewis were drafting in this thread and agreed not to consider Jesus' divinity, but he didn't. Anyhow, I'm happy to move on. How about me getting the founder of UNICEF and the guy who formed the foundation of modern law as we know it? Pretty sweet, huh?
Absolutely. Tremendous pick.Might I interest you in a vote for the GAD best team in the FFA at the moment?
I voted.
I know.But you might not want to tell anyone that you voted for me just yet. It could lose you some last minute support.
 
Now that I have a few minutes I wanted to post a little more about my Shackleton pick. He was a remarkable man, who made some key discoveries during his life but is known even more for the courage and leadership he displayed during the ill fated, but aptly named, Endurance expedition.

Ernest Shackleton - Explorer

Sir Ernest Henry Shackleton RVO OBE, (15 February 1874 – 5 January 1922) was an Irish explorer who was one of the principal figures of the period known as the Heroic Age of Antarctic Exploration. His first experience of the polar regions was as third officer on Captain XXXXXXX’s Discovery Expedition, 1901–04, from which he was sent home early on health grounds. Determined to make amends for this perceived personal failure, he returned to Antarctica in 1907 as leader of the Nimrod Expedition. In January 1909 he and three companions made a southern march which established a record Farthest South latitude at 88°23'S, 97 geographical miles (114 statute miles, 190 km) from the South Pole, by far the closest convergence in exploration history up to that time. For this achievement, Shackleton was knighted by King Edward VII on his return home.

After the race to the South Pole ended in 1912 with XXXXXXXXX's conquest, Shackleton turned his attention to what he said was the one remaining great object of Antarctic journeying—the crossing of the continent from sea to sea, via the pole. To this end he made preparations for what became the Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition, 1914–17. Disaster struck this expedition when its ship, Endurance, was trapped in pack ice and slowly crushed, before the shore parties could be landed. There followed a sequence of exploits, and an ultimate escape with no lives lost, that would eventually assure Shackleton's heroic status, although this was not immediately evident.[1] In 1921 he went back to the Antarctic with the Shackleton-Rowett Expedition, intending to carry out a programme of scientific and survey activities. Before the expedition could begin this work Shackleton died of a heart attack while his ship, Quest, was moored in South Georgia. At his wife's request he was buried there.

Away from his expeditions, Shackleton's life was generally restless and unfulfilled. In his search for rapid pathways to wealth and security he launched many business ventures and other money-making schemes, none of which prospered. His financial affairs were generally muddled; when he died, he owed over £40,000 (more than £1.5 million in 2008 terms).[2] On his death he was lauded in the press, but was thereafter largely forgotten, while the heroic reputation of his rival XXXXXXX was sustained for many decades. At the end of the 20th century Shackleton was "rediscovered",[3] and rapidly became a cult figure, a role model for leadership as one who, in extreme circumstances, kept his team together to accomplish a survival story which polar historian Stephanie Barczewski describes as "incredible".[4]

Nimrod Expedition

On 1 January 1908, Nimrod sailed for the Antarctic from Lyttleton Harbour, New Zealand. Shackleton's original plans had envisaged using the old Discovery base in McMurdo Sound to launch his attempts on the South Pole and South Magnetic Pole.[41] However, before leaving England he had been pressured to give an undertaking to Scott that he would not base himself in the McMurdo area, which Scott was claiming as his own field of work. Shackleton reluctantly agreed to look for winter quarters either at the Barrier Inlet (which Discovery had briefly visited in 1902) or at King Edward VII Land.[44]

To conserve coal, the ship was towed 1,650 miles (2,655 km) by the steamer Koonya to the Antarctic ice, after Shackleton had persuaded the New Zealand government and the Union Steamship Company to share the cost.[45] In accordance with Shackleton's promise to Scott the ship headed for the eastern sector of the Great Ice Barrier, arriving there on 21 January 1908. They found that the Barrier Inlet had expanded to form a large bay, in which were hundreds of whales, which led to the immediate christening of the area as the Bay of Whales.[46] It was noted that ice conditions were unstable, precluding the establishment of a safe base there. An extended search for an anchorage at King Edward VII Land proved equally fruitless, so Shackleton was forced to break his undertaking to Scott and set sail for McMurdo Sound, a decision which, according to second officer Arthur Harbord, was "dictated by common sense" in view of the difficulties of ice pressure, coal shortage and the lack of any nearer known base.[46]

Nimrod arrived at McMurdo Sound on 29 January, but was stopped by ice 16 miles (26 km) north of Discovery's old base at Hut Point.[47] After considerable weather delays, Shackleton's base was eventually established at Cape Royds, about 24 miles (39 km) north of Hut Point. The party was in high spirits, despite the difficult conditions; Shackleton's ability to communicate with each man kept the party happy and focused.[48]

The "Great Southern Journey",[49] as Frank Wild called it, began on 19 October 1908. On 9 January 1909 Shackleton and three companions (Wild, Eric Marshall and Jameson Adams) reached a new Farthest South latitude of 88°23'S, a point only 112 miles (180 km) from the Pole.[50] En route the South Pole party discovered the Beardmore Glacier, (named after Shackleton's patron),[51] and became the first persons to see and travel on the South Polar Plateau.[52] Their return journey to McMurdo Sound was a race against starvation, on half-rations for much of the way. At one point Shackleton gave his one biscuit allotted for the day to the ailing Frank Wild, who wrote in his diary: "All the money that was ever minted would not have bought that biscuit and the remembrance of that sacrifice will never leave me".[53] They arrived at Hut Point just in time to catch the ship.

The expedition's other main accomplishments included the first ascent of Mount Erebus, and the discovery of the approximate location of the South Magnetic Pole, reached on 16 January 1909 by XXXXXXXXXX.[54] Shackleton returned to the United Kingdom as a hero, and soon afterwards published his expedition account, The Heart of the Antarctic. Emily Shackleton later recorded: "The only comment he made to me about not reaching the Pole was "a live donkey is better than a dead lion, isn't it?" and I said "Yes darling, as far as I am concerned".[55]

Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition 1914–17

Endurance departed from South Georgia for the Weddell Sea on 5 December, heading for Vahsel Bay. As the ship moved southward, early ice was encountered, which slowed progress. Deep in the Weddell Sea conditions gradually grew worse until, on 19 January 1915, Endurance became frozen fast in an ice floe.[80] On 24 February, realising that she would be trapped until the following spring, Shackleton ordered the abandonment of ship's routine and her conversion to a winter station.[81] She drifted slowly northward with the ice through the following months. When spring arrived in September the breaking of the ice and its subsequent movements put extreme pressures on the ship's hull.[82]

Shackleton after the loss of EnduranceUntil this point Shackleton had hoped that the ship, when freed from the ice, could work her way back towards Vahsel Bay. On 24 October, however, water began pouring in. After a few days, with the position at 69°05'S, 51°30'W, Shackleton gave the order to abandon ship; and men, provisions and equipment were transferred to camps on the ice.[83] On 21 November 1915, the wreck finally slipped beneath the surface.[84]

For almost two months Shackleton and his party camped on a large, flat floe, hoping that it would drift towards Paulet Island, approximately 250 miles (402 km) away, where it was known that stores were cached.[85] After failed attempts to march across the ice to this island, Shackleton decided to set up another more permanent camp (Patience Camp) on another floe, and trust to the drift of the ice to take them towards a safe landing.[86] By 17 March their ice camp was within 60 miles (97 km) of Paulet Island[87] but, separated by impassable ice, they were unable to reach it. On 9 April their ice floe broke into two, and Shackleton ordered the crew into the lifeboats, to head for the nearest land.[88] After five harrowing days at sea the exhausted men landed their three lifeboats at Elephant Island.[89] Shackleton's concern for his men was such that he gave his mittens to photographer Frank Hurley, who had lost his during the boat journey. Shackleton suffered frostbitten fingers as a result.[90]

The open-boat journey

Launching the James Caird from the shore of Elephant Island, 24 April 1916Elephant Island was an inhospitable place, far from any shipping routes. Consequently, Shackleton decided to risk an open-boat journey to the distant South Georgia whaling stations, where he knew help was available.[91] The strongest of the lifeboats, christened James Caird after the expedition's chief sponsor, was chosen for the trip.[91] Ship's carpenter Harry McNish made various improvements, including raising the sides, strengthening the keel, building a makeshift deck of wood and canvas, and sealing the work with oil paint and seal blood.[91] Shackleton chose five companions for the journey: Frank Worsley, Endurance's captain, who would be responsible for navigation; Tom Crean, who had "begged to go"; two strong sailors in John Vincent and Timothy McCarthy, and finally the carpenter McNish.[91] Shackleton had clashed with McNish during the time when the party was stranded on the ice but, while he would not forgive the carpenter's earlier insubordination, Shackleton recognised his value for this particular job.[92]

Shackleton refused to pack supplies for more than four weeks, knowing that if they did not reach South Georgia within that time, the boat and its crew would be lost.[93] The James Caird was launched on 24 April 1916; during the next fifteen days it sailed through the waters of the southern ocean, at the mercy of the stormy seas, in constant peril of capsizing. On 8 May, due to Worsley's navigational skills, the cliffs of South Georgia came into sight, but hurricane-force winds prevented the possibility of landing. The party were forced to ride out the storm offshore, in constant danger of being dashed against the rocks. They would later learn that the same hurricane had sunk a 500-ton steamer bound for South Georgia from Buenos Aires.[94] On the following day they were able, finally, to land on the unoccupied southern shore. After a period of rest and recuperation, rather than risk putting to sea again to reach the whaling stations on the northern coast, Shackleton decided to attempt a land crossing of the island. Although it is likely that Norwegian whalers had previously crossed at other points on ski, no one had attempted this particular route before.[95] Leaving McNish, Vincent and McCarthy at the landing point on South Georgia, Shackleton travelled with Worsley and Crean over mountainous terrain for 36 hours to reach the whaling station at Stromness.[96]

The next successful crossing of South Georgia was in October 1955, by the British explorer Duncan Carse, who travelled much of the same route as Shackleton's party. In tribute to their achievement he wrote: "I do not know how they did it, except that they had to—three men of the heroic age of Antarctic exploration with 50 feet of rope between them—and a carpenter's adze".[97]

Rescue

"All Safe, All Well", allegedly depicting Shackleton's return to Elephant Island, August 1916. However, a photograph of the departure of the James Caird in April was doctored by photographer Frank Hurley to create this image.[98]Shackleton immediately sent a boat to pick up the three men from the other side of South Georgia while he set to work to organise the rescue of the Elephant Island men. His first three attempts were foiled by sea ice, which blocked the approaches to the island. He appealed to the Chilean government, which offered the use of Yelcho, a small seagoing tug from its navy. Yelcho reached Elephant Island on 30 August, and Shackleton quickly evacuated all 22 men.[99]

There remained the men of the Ross Sea Party, who were stranded at Cape Evans in McMurdo Sound, after Aurora had been blown from its anchorage and driven out to sea, unable to return. The ship, after a drift of many months, had returned to New Zealand. Shackleton travelled there to join Aurora, and sailed with her to the rescue of the Ross Sea party. This group, despite many hardships, had carried out its depot-laying mission to the full, but three lives had been lost, including that of its commander, Aeneas Mackintosh.[100]

Legacy

Before the return of Shackleton's body to South Georgia, there had been a memorial service held for him, with full military honours, at Holy Trinity Church, Montevideo, and on 2 March a service had been held at St Paul's Cathedral, London, at which the King and other members of the royal family had been represented.[114] Within a year the first biography, The Life of Sir Ernest Shackleton, by Hugh Robert Mill, had been published. This book, as well as being a tribute to the explorer, was a practical effort to assist his family; Shackleton had died some £40,000 in debt (2008: £1.5 million). A further initiative was the establishment of a Shackleton Memorial Fund, which was used to assist the education of his children and the support of his mother.[115]

During the ensuing decades Shackleton's status as a polar hero was generally outshone by that of Captain XXXXXXX. XXXXXXX's polar party had, by 1925, been commemorated in Britain alone by more than 30 monuments, including stained glass windows, statues, busts and memorial tablets.[116] A statue of Shackleton designed by Sir Edwin Lutyens was unveiled at the Royal Geographical Society's Kensington headquarters in 1932,[117] but public memorials to Shackleton were relatively few. Likewise, the printed word saw much more attention given to XXXXXXX—a forty-page booklet on Shackleton, published in 1943 by OUP as part of a "Great Exploits" series, is described by cultural historian Stephanie Barczewski as "a lone example of a popular literary treatment of Shackleton in a sea of similar treatments of Scott". This disparity continued into the 1950s.[118]

In 1959 Alfred Lansing's Endurance: Shackleton's Incredible Voyage was published. This was the first of a number of books about Shackleton that began to appear, showing him in a highly positive light. At the same time, attitudes towards XXXXXX were gradually changing, as a more critical note was sounded in the literature, culminating in Roland Huntford's 1979 treatment of him in his dual biography XXXXXXX and XXXXXXX, described by Barczewski as a "devastating attack".[119] This negative picture of Scott became accepted as the popular truth,[120] as the kind of heroism that XXXXXXX represented fell victim to the cultural shifts of the late twentieth century.[121] Within a few years he had been thoroughly overtaken in public esteem by Shackleton, whose popularity surged while that of his erstwhile rival declined. In 2002, in a BBC poll conducted to determine the "100 Greatest Britons", Shackleton was ranked eleventh, while XXXXXXXX was down in 54th place.[122]

In 2001 Margaret Morrell and Stephanie Capparell presented Shackleton as a model for corporate leadership, in their book Shackleton's Way: Leadership Lessons from the Great Antarctic Explorer. They wrote: "Shackleton resonates with executives in today's business world. His people-centred approach to leadership can be a guide to anyone in a position of authority".[123] Other management writers were soon following this lead, using Shackleton as an examplar for bringing order to chaos. The Centre for Leadership Studies at the University of Exeter (United Kingdom) offers a course on Shackleton, who also features in the management education programmes of several American universities.[124] In Boston USA a "Shackleton School" was set up on "Outward Bound" principles, with the motto "The Journey is Everything".[124] Shackleton has also been cited as a model leader by the US Navy, and in a textbook on Congressional leadership, Peter L Steinke calls Shackleton the archetype of the "nonanxious leader" whose "calm, reflective demeanor becomes the antibiotic warning of the toxicity of reactive behaviour".[124]

Shackleton's death marked the end of the Heroic Age of Antarctic Exploration, a period of discovery characterized by journeys of geographical and scientific exploration in a largely unknown continent, without any of the benefits of modern travel methods or radio communication. In the preface to his book The Worst Journey in the World Apsley Cherry-Garrard, one of XXXXXXX's team on the Terra Nova Expedition, wrote: "For a joint scientific and geographical piece of organization, give me XXXXXX; for a Winter Journey, XXXXXXX; for a dash to the Pole and nothing else, XXXXXXX: and if I am in the devil of a hole and want to get out of it, give me Shackleton every time".[125]

 
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I'm going to have a brew. GL Yankee.
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Nah.He's a quitter. Here we are, working our asses off here to entertain each other and drop some education and fun on these drafts, and in the most important moment, he bails on us. That isn't courage. That isn't honor. It's petty cowardice. I mean, who doesn't stand up for the FFA? Not me! Who doesn't rally to support the Great American Draft? Not me! Who doesn't work tireless to make sure the FFA community showers some respect on our very important draft? Not me!No, my opponent is the one that does those things. And for what? Beer? We aren't worth so much as one beer? It's probably not even a good beer, I mean he's a Lions fan so he's probably drank so much in his life that he has little actual expendable money to waste of good beer and now he's having to go to the back of the store and get the Natural Ice or Coors Light. Probably pretends he is reliving his college years to try to make the pain go away. But the pain is still there. Nagging at him. Can't even afford good beer.Then he becomes an alcoholic. He probably thinks he's already won so he's going to go have a drink. But his bad beer doesn't do anything after only one so he has 2, then 5 then 20. Next thing you know we are doing FFA APB's for him because he's not allowed to post from the home they sent him to in order to make sure he makes his AA meetings and doesn't harm any other racoons.In the end, allowing him to lose now is the best thing that can happen for him. And us. And in the end, isn't that what it's all about?
 
Lots of picks today. The OPs are now fully updated; please review to make sure it's right.

Mario Kart, there is a problem. You chose Edwin Hubble as a wildcard and Lucille Ball as a celebrity. But you already have a celebrity in Guy Fawkes. Normally, I would just move Fawkes to wildcard, but your wildcards are all full now with the selection of Hubble (you have Mendeleev and Ho Chi Minh). This means that you must place Lucille Ball (or Guy Fawkes) in another category. Please let me know what you would like to do here.

 
Lots of picks today. The OPs are now fully updated; please review to make sure it's right.Mario Kart, there is a problem. You chose Edwin Hubble as a wildcard and Lucille Ball as a celebrity. But you already have a celebrity in Guy Fawkes. Normally, I would just move Fawkes to wildcard, but your wildcards are all full now with the selection of Hubble (you have Mendeleev and Ho Chi Minh). This means that you must place Lucille Ball (or Guy Fawkes) in another category. Please let me know what you would like to do here.
Lao Tzu needs to be added to my wild card category. Thanks.
 
Now that I have a few minutes I wanted to post a little more about my Shackleton pick. He was a remarkable man, who made some key discoveries during his life but is known even more for the courage and leadership he displayed during the ill fated, but aptly named, Endurance expedition.

Ernest Shackleton - Explorer

Sir Ernest Henry Shackleton RVO OBE, (15 February 1874 – 5 January 1922) was an Irish explorer who was one of the principal figures of the period known as the Heroic Age of Antarctic Exploration. His first experience of the polar regions was as third officer on Captain XXXXXXX’s Discovery Expedition, 1901–04, from which he was sent home early on health grounds. Determined to make amends for this perceived personal failure, he returned to Antarctica in 1907 as leader of the Nimrod Expedition. In January 1909 he and three companions made a southern march which established a record Farthest South latitude at 88°23'S, 97 geographical miles (114 statute miles, 190 km) from the South Pole, by far the closest convergence in exploration history up to that time. For this achievement, Shackleton was knighted by King Edward VII on his return home.

After the race to the South Pole ended in 1912 with XXXXXXXXX's conquest, Shackleton turned his attention to what he said was the one remaining great object of Antarctic journeying—the crossing of the continent from sea to sea, via the pole. To this end he made preparations for what became the Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition, 1914–17. Disaster struck this expedition when its ship, Endurance, was trapped in pack ice and slowly crushed, before the shore parties could be landed. There followed a sequence of exploits, and an ultimate escape with no lives lost, that would eventually assure Shackleton's heroic status, although this was not immediately evident.[1] In 1921 he went back to the Antarctic with the Shackleton-Rowett Expedition, intending to carry out a programme of scientific and survey activities. Before the expedition could begin this work Shackleton died of a heart attack while his ship, Quest, was moored in South Georgia. At his wife's request he was buried there.

Away from his expeditions, Shackleton's life was generally restless and unfulfilled. In his search for rapid pathways to wealth and security he launched many business ventures and other money-making schemes, none of which prospered. His financial affairs were generally muddled; when he died, he owed over £40,000 (more than £1.5 million in 2008 terms).[2] On his death he was lauded in the press, but was thereafter largely forgotten, while the heroic reputation of his rival XXXXXXX was sustained for many decades. At the end of the 20th century Shackleton was "rediscovered",[3] and rapidly became a cult figure, a role model for leadership as one who, in extreme circumstances, kept his team together to accomplish a survival story which polar historian Stephanie Barczewski describes as "incredible".[4]

Nimrod Expedition

On 1 January 1908, Nimrod sailed for the Antarctic from Lyttleton Harbour, New Zealand. Shackleton's original plans had envisaged using the old Discovery base in McMurdo Sound to launch his attempts on the South Pole and South Magnetic Pole.[41] However, before leaving England he had been pressured to give an undertaking to Scott that he would not base himself in the McMurdo area, which Scott was claiming as his own field of work. Shackleton reluctantly agreed to look for winter quarters either at the Barrier Inlet (which Discovery had briefly visited in 1902) or at King Edward VII Land.[44]

To conserve coal, the ship was towed 1,650 miles (2,655 km) by the steamer Koonya to the Antarctic ice, after Shackleton had persuaded the New Zealand government and the Union Steamship Company to share the cost.[45] In accordance with Shackleton's promise to Scott the ship headed for the eastern sector of the Great Ice Barrier, arriving there on 21 January 1908. They found that the Barrier Inlet had expanded to form a large bay, in which were hundreds of whales, which led to the immediate christening of the area as the Bay of Whales.[46] It was noted that ice conditions were unstable, precluding the establishment of a safe base there. An extended search for an anchorage at King Edward VII Land proved equally fruitless, so Shackleton was forced to break his undertaking to Scott and set sail for McMurdo Sound, a decision which, according to second officer Arthur Harbord, was "dictated by common sense" in view of the difficulties of ice pressure, coal shortage and the lack of any nearer known base.[46]

Nimrod arrived at McMurdo Sound on 29 January, but was stopped by ice 16 miles (26 km) north of Discovery's old base at Hut Point.[47] After considerable weather delays, Shackleton's base was eventually established at Cape Royds, about 24 miles (39 km) north of Hut Point. The party was in high spirits, despite the difficult conditions; Shackleton's ability to communicate with each man kept the party happy and focused.[48]

The "Great Southern Journey",[49] as Frank Wild called it, began on 19 October 1908. On 9 January 1909 Shackleton and three companions (Wild, Eric Marshall and Jameson Adams) reached a new Farthest South latitude of 88°23'S, a point only 112 miles (180 km) from the Pole.[50] En route the South Pole party discovered the Beardmore Glacier, (named after Shackleton's patron),[51] and became the first persons to see and travel on the South Polar Plateau.[52] Their return journey to McMurdo Sound was a race against starvation, on half-rations for much of the way. At one point Shackleton gave his one biscuit allotted for the day to the ailing Frank Wild, who wrote in his diary: "All the money that was ever minted would not have bought that biscuit and the remembrance of that sacrifice will never leave me".[53] They arrived at Hut Point just in time to catch the ship.

The expedition's other main accomplishments included the first ascent of Mount Erebus, and the discovery of the approximate location of the South Magnetic Pole, reached on 16 January 1909 by XXXXXXXXXX.[54] Shackleton returned to the United Kingdom as a hero, and soon afterwards published his expedition account, The Heart of the Antarctic. Emily Shackleton later recorded: "The only comment he made to me about not reaching the Pole was "a live donkey is better than a dead lion, isn't it?" and I said "Yes darling, as far as I am concerned".[55]

Imperial Trans-Antarctic Expedition 1914–17

Endurance departed from South Georgia for the Weddell Sea on 5 December, heading for Vahsel Bay. As the ship moved southward, early ice was encountered, which slowed progress. Deep in the Weddell Sea conditions gradually grew worse until, on 19 January 1915, Endurance became frozen fast in an ice floe.[80] On 24 February, realising that she would be trapped until the following spring, Shackleton ordered the abandonment of ship's routine and her conversion to a winter station.[81] She drifted slowly northward with the ice through the following months. When spring arrived in September the breaking of the ice and its subsequent movements put extreme pressures on the ship's hull.[82]

Shackleton after the loss of EnduranceUntil this point Shackleton had hoped that the ship, when freed from the ice, could work her way back towards Vahsel Bay. On 24 October, however, water began pouring in. After a few days, with the position at 69°05'S, 51°30'W, Shackleton gave the order to abandon ship; and men, provisions and equipment were transferred to camps on the ice.[83] On 21 November 1915, the wreck finally slipped beneath the surface.[84]

For almost two months Shackleton and his party camped on a large, flat floe, hoping that it would drift towards Paulet Island, approximately 250 miles (402 km) away, where it was known that stores were cached.[85] After failed attempts to march across the ice to this island, Shackleton decided to set up another more permanent camp (Patience Camp) on another floe, and trust to the drift of the ice to take them towards a safe landing.[86] By 17 March their ice camp was within 60 miles (97 km) of Paulet Island[87] but, separated by impassable ice, they were unable to reach it. On 9 April their ice floe broke into two, and Shackleton ordered the crew into the lifeboats, to head for the nearest land.[88] After five harrowing days at sea the exhausted men landed their three lifeboats at Elephant Island.[89] Shackleton's concern for his men was such that he gave his mittens to photographer Frank Hurley, who had lost his during the boat journey. Shackleton suffered frostbitten fingers as a result.[90]

The open-boat journey

Launching the James Caird from the shore of Elephant Island, 24 April 1916Elephant Island was an inhospitable place, far from any shipping routes. Consequently, Shackleton decided to risk an open-boat journey to the distant South Georgia whaling stations, where he knew help was available.[91] The strongest of the lifeboats, christened James Caird after the expedition's chief sponsor, was chosen for the trip.[91] Ship's carpenter Harry McNish made various improvements, including raising the sides, strengthening the keel, building a makeshift deck of wood and canvas, and sealing the work with oil paint and seal blood.[91] Shackleton chose five companions for the journey: Frank Worsley, Endurance's captain, who would be responsible for navigation; Tom Crean, who had "begged to go"; two strong sailors in John Vincent and Timothy McCarthy, and finally the carpenter McNish.[91] Shackleton had clashed with McNish during the time when the party was stranded on the ice but, while he would not forgive the carpenter's earlier insubordination, Shackleton recognised his value for this particular job.[92]

Shackleton refused to pack supplies for more than four weeks, knowing that if they did not reach South Georgia within that time, the boat and its crew would be lost.[93] The James Caird was launched on 24 April 1916; during the next fifteen days it sailed through the waters of the southern ocean, at the mercy of the stormy seas, in constant peril of capsizing. On 8 May, due to Worsley's navigational skills, the cliffs of South Georgia came into sight, but hurricane-force winds prevented the possibility of landing. The party were forced to ride out the storm offshore, in constant danger of being dashed against the rocks. They would later learn that the same hurricane had sunk a 500-ton steamer bound for South Georgia from Buenos Aires.[94] On the following day they were able, finally, to land on the unoccupied southern shore. After a period of rest and recuperation, rather than risk putting to sea again to reach the whaling stations on the northern coast, Shackleton decided to attempt a land crossing of the island. Although it is likely that Norwegian whalers had previously crossed at other points on ski, no one had attempted this particular route before.[95] Leaving McNish, Vincent and McCarthy at the landing point on South Georgia, Shackleton travelled with Worsley and Crean over mountainous terrain for 36 hours to reach the whaling station at Stromness.[96]

The next successful crossing of South Georgia was in October 1955, by the British explorer Duncan Carse, who travelled much of the same route as Shackleton's party. In tribute to their achievement he wrote: "I do not know how they did it, except that they had to—three men of the heroic age of Antarctic exploration with 50 feet of rope between them—and a carpenter's adze".[97]

Rescue

"All Safe, All Well", allegedly depicting Shackleton's return to Elephant Island, August 1916. However, a photograph of the departure of the James Caird in April was doctored by photographer Frank Hurley to create this image.[98]Shackleton immediately sent a boat to pick up the three men from the other side of South Georgia while he set to work to organise the rescue of the Elephant Island men. His first three attempts were foiled by sea ice, which blocked the approaches to the island. He appealed to the Chilean government, which offered the use of Yelcho, a small seagoing tug from its navy. Yelcho reached Elephant Island on 30 August, and Shackleton quickly evacuated all 22 men.[99]

There remained the men of the Ross Sea Party, who were stranded at Cape Evans in McMurdo Sound, after Aurora had been blown from its anchorage and driven out to sea, unable to return. The ship, after a drift of many months, had returned to New Zealand. Shackleton travelled there to join Aurora, and sailed with her to the rescue of the Ross Sea party. This group, despite many hardships, had carried out its depot-laying mission to the full, but three lives had been lost, including that of its commander, Aeneas Mackintosh.[100]

Legacy

Before the return of Shackleton's body to South Georgia, there had been a memorial service held for him, with full military honours, at Holy Trinity Church, Montevideo, and on 2 March a service had been held at St Paul's Cathedral, London, at which the King and other members of the royal family had been represented.[114] Within a year the first biography, The Life of Sir Ernest Shackleton, by Hugh Robert Mill, had been published. This book, as well as being a tribute to the explorer, was a practical effort to assist his family; Shackleton had died some £40,000 in debt (2008: £1.5 million). A further initiative was the establishment of a Shackleton Memorial Fund, which was used to assist the education of his children and the support of his mother.[115]

During the ensuing decades Shackleton's status as a polar hero was generally outshone by that of Captain XXXXXXX. XXXXXXX's polar party had, by 1925, been commemorated in Britain alone by more than 30 monuments, including stained glass windows, statues, busts and memorial tablets.[116] A statue of Shackleton designed by Sir Edwin Lutyens was unveiled at the Royal Geographical Society's Kensington headquarters in 1932,[117] but public memorials to Shackleton were relatively few. Likewise, the printed word saw much more attention given to XXXXXXX—a forty-page booklet on Shackleton, published in 1943 by OUP as part of a "Great Exploits" series, is described by cultural historian Stephanie Barczewski as "a lone example of a popular literary treatment of Shackleton in a sea of similar treatments of Scott". This disparity continued into the 1950s.[118]

In 1959 Alfred Lansing's Endurance: Shackleton's Incredible Voyage was published. This was the first of a number of books about Shackleton that began to appear, showing him in a highly positive light. At the same time, attitudes towards XXXXXX were gradually changing, as a more critical note was sounded in the literature, culminating in Roland Huntford's 1979 treatment of him in his dual biography XXXXXXX and XXXXXXX, described by Barczewski as a "devastating attack".[119] This negative picture of Scott became accepted as the popular truth,[120] as the kind of heroism that XXXXXXX represented fell victim to the cultural shifts of the late twentieth century.[121] Within a few years he had been thoroughly overtaken in public esteem by Shackleton, whose popularity surged while that of his erstwhile rival declined. In 2002, in a BBC poll conducted to determine the "100 Greatest Britons", Shackleton was ranked eleventh, while XXXXXXXX was down in 54th place.[122]

In 2001 Margaret Morrell and Stephanie Capparell presented Shackleton as a model for corporate leadership, in their book Shackleton's Way: Leadership Lessons from the Great Antarctic Explorer. They wrote: "Shackleton resonates with executives in today's business world. His people-centred approach to leadership can be a guide to anyone in a position of authority".[123] Other management writers were soon following this lead, using Shackleton as an examplar for bringing order to chaos. The Centre for Leadership Studies at the University of Exeter (United Kingdom) offers a course on Shackleton, who also features in the management education programmes of several American universities.[124] In Boston USA a "Shackleton School" was set up on "Outward Bound" principles, with the motto "The Journey is Everything".[124] Shackleton has also been cited as a model leader by the US Navy, and in a textbook on Congressional leadership, Peter L Steinke calls Shackleton the archetype of the "nonanxious leader" whose "calm, reflective demeanor becomes the antibiotic warning of the toxicity of reactive behaviour".[124]

Shackleton's death marked the end of the Heroic Age of Antarctic Exploration, a period of discovery characterized by journeys of geographical and scientific exploration in a largely unknown continent, without any of the benefits of modern travel methods or radio communication. In the preface to his book The Worst Journey in the World Apsley Cherry-Garrard, one of XXXXXXX's team on the Terra Nova Expedition, wrote: "For a joint scientific and geographical piece of organization, give me XXXXXX; for a Winter Journey, XXXXXXX; for a dash to the Pole and nothing else, XXXXXXX: and if I am in the devil of a hole and want to get out of it, give me Shackleton every time".[125]
This is one of the great true stories of survival. Shackleton and two companions were the only remaining hope for 22 men left behind. The crossing of almost 23 miles of South Georgia Island, with peaks over 6000 feet high, blanketed with snow covered crevasses and only a compass to guide them, with frostbitten feet and only 3 days of food, remains one of the greatest exploits I have ever read.
 
While we're at it, switch Kurosawa to my non-painter artist slot, please. I'll just leave Dürer as a wildcard, since he actually has some important work outside the realm of woodcuts. Also, I'm moving Salk to the Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr slot.

Thanks. :confused:

 
I'm going to have a brew. GL Yankee.
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Nah.He's a quitter. Here we are, working our asses off here to entertain each other and drop some education and fun on these drafts, and in the most important moment, he bails on us. That isn't courage. That isn't honor. It's petty cowardice. I mean, who doesn't stand up for the FFA? Not me! Who doesn't rally to support the Great American Draft? Not me! Who doesn't work tireless to make sure the FFA community showers some respect on our very important draft? Not me!No, my opponent is the one that does those things. And for what? Beer? We aren't worth so much as one beer? It's probably not even a good beer, I mean he's a Lions fan so he's probably drank so much in his life that he has little actual expendable money to waste of good beer and now he's having to go to the back of the store and get the Natural Ice or Coors Light. Probably pretends he is reliving his college years to try to make the pain go away. But the pain is still there. Nagging at him. Can't even afford good beer.Then he becomes an alcoholic. He probably thinks he's already won so he's going to go have a drink. But his bad beer doesn't do anything after only one so he has 2, then 5 then 20. Next thing you know we are doing FFA APB's for him because he's not allowed to post from the home they sent him to in order to make sure he makes his AA meetings and doesn't harm any other racoons.In the end, allowing him to lose now is the best thing that can happen for him. And us. And in the end, isn't that what it's all about?
Who'd a thunk that Terrell Owens was in this draft, throwing his teammate under the bus.?
 
I'm going to have a brew. GL Yankee.
:highroad:
Nah.He's a quitter. Here we are, working our asses off here to entertain each other and drop some education and fun on these drafts, and in the most important moment, he bails on us. That isn't courage. That isn't honor. It's petty cowardice. I mean, who doesn't stand up for the FFA? Not me! Who doesn't rally to support the Great American Draft? Not me! Who doesn't work tireless to make sure the FFA community showers some respect on our very important draft? Not me!No, my opponent is the one that does those things. And for what? Beer? We aren't worth so much as one beer? It's probably not even a good beer, I mean he's a Lions fan so he's probably drank so much in his life that he has little actual expendable money to waste of good beer and now he's having to go to the back of the store and get the Natural Ice or Coors Light. Probably pretends he is reliving his college years to try to make the pain go away. But the pain is still there. Nagging at him. Can't even afford good beer.Then he becomes an alcoholic. He probably thinks he's already won so he's going to go have a drink. But his bad beer doesn't do anything after only one so he has 2, then 5 then 20. Next thing you know we are doing FFA APB's for him because he's not allowed to post from the home they sent him to in order to make sure he makes his AA meetings and doesn't harm any other racoons.In the end, allowing him to lose now is the best thing that can happen for him. And us. And in the end, isn't that what it's all about?
Who'd a thunk that Terrell Owens was in this draft, throwing his teammate under the bus.?
:confused:
 
Well, all have made their military picks. I would never have imagined that 2 of my top ten would have been passed over. Did they fail a drug test?

 
Blackstone is a tremendous pick, especially this late.

Clauswitz is worthy of being drafted, but hes no where near as influential as Sun Tzu.

And Tim's analogy is ridiculous. I'll put a western genre novel up against any ever written and it'll belong in the conversation, and alot of literary snobs would agree with me. Being a genre writer does not mean that the quality of the work, by necessity, is inferior.

 
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For Tim because he does not read any of my posts.

Mario Kart

Leaders - Franklin Delano Roosevelt

Military - Sun Tzu

Scientist - Dmitri Mendeleev

Inventor - Guglielmo Marconi

Discoverer/Explorer - Giovanni da Pian del Carpine

Humanitarian/Saint/Martyr - Henry Dunant

Novelist/Short stories - J. R. R. Tolkien

Playwrights/Poets - Geoffrey Chaucer

Villain - Ho Chi Minh

Athlete -

Composer - Antonio Vivaldi

Musicians/Performers -

Painter - Claude Monet

Artist/Non-Painter - Auguste Rodin

Philosopher - Jean Piaget

Religious Figure - Pope Gregory XIII

Celebrity - Lucille Ball

Intellectual - John Maynard Keynes

Rebel - Guy Fawkes

Wildcards - Gavrilo Princip

Wildcards - Edwin Hubble

Wildcards -

 
I'm sure Ozymandius is tired of seeing this guy slip through the cracks, so I'll take him as a potentially strong Wild Card:

19.9 - Duke Arthur Wellesley of Wellington, Wild Card

Field Marshal Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, KG, KP, GCB, GCH, PC, FRS (c. 1 May 1769 – 14 September 1852), was an Anglo-Irish soldier and statesman, and one of the leading military and political figures of the nineteenth century.

Born in Ireland to a prominent Ascendancy family, he was commissioned an ensign in the British Army in 1787. Serving in Ireland as aide-de-camp to two successive Lords Lieutenant of Ireland he was also elected as Member of Parliament in the Irish House of Commons. A colonel by 1796, Wellesley saw action in the Netherlands and later India where he fought in the Fourth Anglo-Mysore War at the Battle of Seringapatam. He was later appointed Governor of Seringapatam and Mysore.

Wellesley rose to prominence as a General during the Peninsular Campaign of the Napoleonic Wars, and was promoted to the rank of field marshal after leading the Allied forces to victory against the French at the Battle of Vitoria in 1813. Following Napoleon's exile in 1814, he served as the ambassador to France and was granted a Dukedom. During the Hundred Days in 1815, he commanded the Allied army which defeated Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo.

An opponent of parliamentary reform, he was given the epithet the "Iron Duke" because of the iron shutters he had fixed to his windows to stop the pro-reform mob from breaking them. He was twice Prime Minister of the United Kingdom under the Tory party and oversaw the passage of Catholic Relief Act 1829. He was Prime Minister from 1828-30 and served briefly in 1834. He was unable to prevent the passage of the Reform Act of 1832 and continued as one of the leading figures in the House of Lords until his retirement. He remained Commander-in-Chief of the British Army until his death.
 
I'm sure Ozymandius is tired of seeing this guy slip through the cracks, so I'll take him as a potentially strong Wild Card:

19.9 - Duke Arthur Wellesley of Wellington, Wild Card

Field Marshal Arthur Wellesley, 1st Duke of Wellington, KG, KP, GCB, GCH, PC, FRS (c. 1 May 1769 – 14 September 1852), was an Anglo-Irish soldier and statesman, and one of the leading military and political figures of the nineteenth century.

Born in Ireland to a prominent Ascendancy family, he was commissioned an ensign in the British Army in 1787. Serving in Ireland as aide-de-camp to two successive Lords Lieutenant of Ireland he was also elected as Member of Parliament in the Irish House of Commons. A colonel by 1796, Wellesley saw action in the Netherlands and later India where he fought in the Fourth Anglo-Mysore War at the Battle of Seringapatam. He was later appointed Governor of Seringapatam and Mysore.

Wellesley rose to prominence as a General during the Peninsular Campaign of the Napoleonic Wars, and was promoted to the rank of field marshal after leading the Allied forces to victory against the French at the Battle of Vitoria in 1813. Following Napoleon's exile in 1814, he served as the ambassador to France and was granted a Dukedom. During the Hundred Days in 1815, he commanded the Allied army which defeated Napoleon at the Battle of Waterloo.

An opponent of parliamentary reform, he was given the epithet the "Iron Duke" because of the iron shutters he had fixed to his windows to stop the pro-reform mob from breaking them. He was twice Prime Minister of the United Kingdom under the Tory party and oversaw the passage of Catholic Relief Act 1829. He was Prime Minister from 1828-30 and served briefly in 1834. He was unable to prevent the passage of the Reform Act of 1832 and continued as one of the leading figures in the House of Lords until his retirement. He remained Commander-in-Chief of the British Army until his death.
Indeed. He never lost a battle. Had a masterful understanding of strategy and tactics. Was a master of defense, positioning, maneuver, knew when to attack and when to defend, and he knew what he could accomplish and what not. He beat Junot, Marmont, Soult, Jourdan, and Massena, all Napoleon's Marshals, who had learned from him. And then he defeated the Emperor himself at Waterloo.
 
Mad Sweeney on the clock, times out at 6:53.

Big Rocks on deck.

Higgins in the hole.

 
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I'm going to have a brew. GL Yankee.
:highroad:
Nah.He's a quitter. Here we are, working our asses off here to entertain each other and drop some education and fun on these drafts, and in the most important moment, he bails on us. That isn't courage. That isn't honor. It's petty cowardice. I mean, who doesn't stand up for the FFA? Not me! Who doesn't rally to support the Great American Draft? Not me! Who doesn't work tireless to make sure the FFA community showers some respect on our very important draft? Not me!No, my opponent is the one that does those things. And for what? Beer? We aren't worth so much as one beer? It's probably not even a good beer, I mean he's a Lions fan so he's probably drank so much in his life that he has little actual expendable money to waste of good beer and now he's having to go to the back of the store and get the Natural Ice or Coors Light. Probably pretends he is reliving his college years to try to make the pain go away. But the pain is still there. Nagging at him. Can't even afford good beer.Then he becomes an alcoholic. He probably thinks he's already won so he's going to go have a drink. But his bad beer doesn't do anything after only one so he has 2, then 5 then 20. Next thing you know we are doing FFA APB's for him because he's not allowed to post from the home they sent him to in order to make sure he makes his AA meetings and doesn't harm any other racoons.In the end, allowing him to lose now is the best thing that can happen for him. And us. And in the end, isn't that what it's all about?
Who'd a thunk that Terrell Owens was in this draft, throwing his teammate under the bus.?
:lmao:
If it gets to me, I'll be in my AA meeting.
 
Most people have taken bands as their musicians and I'm doing so as well. With all the bands taken, I cannot believe this band is still available. They are truly one of the all time greats.

19.11 Pink Floyd, Musician

Full bio here

Pink Floyd are an English rock band who initially earned recognition for their psychedelic and space rock music, and later, as they evolved, for their progressive rock music. Pink Floyd are known for philosophical lyrics, sonic experimentation, innovative album cover art, and elaborate live shows. One of rock music's most successful acts, the group have sold over 210 million albums worldwide[1][2][3] including 74.5 million albums in the United States.[4] Pink Floyd influenced progressive rock artists of the 1970s such as Genesis and Yes,[5] as well as contemporary artists such as Nine Inch Nails,[6] and Dream Theater.[7]

Pink Floyd were formed in London in 1965 when Syd Barrett moved down from Cambridge and joined The Tea Set, a group consisting of Regent Street Polytechnic architecture students Nick Mason, Roger Waters, Richard Wright and Bob Klose.[8] The group had moderate mainstream success and were one of the most popular bands in the London underground music scene in the late 1960s as a psychedelic band led by Syd Barrett. However, Barrett's erratic behaviour eventually led his colleagues to replace him with guitarist and singer David Gilmour. After Barrett's departure, singer and bass player Roger Waters became a dominant force in the group, a situation which developed through the late 1970s, and lasted until his departure from the group in 1985. The band had always been popular in England, though they did not achieve worldwide critical and commercial success until the concept albums The Dark Side of the Moon (1973), Wish You Were Here (1975), and Animals (1977), and the rock opera The Wall (1979).

In 1985, Waters declared Pink Floyd "a spent force", but the remaining members, led by Gilmour, continued recording and touring under the name Pink Floyd. Waters sued them for the name and eventually they reached a settlement out of court, under which Gilmour, Mason and Wright would continue as Pink Floyd. They again enjoyed worldwide success with A Momentary Lapse of Reason (1987) and The Division Bell (1994). Waters performed with the band for the first time in 24 years on 2 July 2005 at the London Live 8 concert.
 
Is there a list of all of the scientists picked already?
Here are the people taken that are currently in the scientist category. Others have been taken in other categories as well, which are not represented below:In random order:Niels Bohr Antoine-Laurent de LavoisierAlhazenIsaac NewtonGalileo GalileiFrancis CrickJames MaxwellJean PiagetLouis PasteurEuclidAlexander FlemingAlbert EinsteinHippocratesCharles DarwinJohann GaussArchimedesLeonhard EulerMuhammad ibn Musa Khwarizmi
 
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19.12 -- Henry Bessemer, Inventor of mass produced steel.

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The Bessemer process was the first inexpensive industrial process for the mass-production of steel from molten pig iron. The process is named after its inventor, Henry Bessemer, who took out a patent on the process in 1855.

The Bessemer process revolutionized steel manufacture by decreasing its cost, and greatly increasing the scale and speed of production, while also decreasing the labor requirements. Prior to its introduction, steel was far too expensive to make bridges or the framework for buildings and wrought iron had been used throughout the Industrial Revolution. After its introduction, steel and wrought iron became similarly priced, and most manufacturers turned to steel. The availability of cheap steel allowed large bridges to be built and enabled the construction of railroads, skyscrapers, and large ships. Other important steel products -- also made using the open hearth process -- were steel cable, steel rod and sheet steel which enabled large, high-pressure boilers and high-tensile strength steel for machinery which enabled much more powerful engines, gears and axles than were possible previously. With large amounts of steel it became possible to build much more powerful guns and carriages. Industrial steel made possible giant turbines to harness water and steam power.
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I love Pink Floyd. A lot. Nice pick.

They were the first group I thought of and if I'd taken a group, it would have been them, but I opted to go the route of one of our top Bluesmen instead in B.B. King.

 
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Any skips today? Who is keeping tabs?

Nice pick with Bessemer, higgins. Going from iron-to-steel was a huge leap forward; railroads, bridges, skyscapers would all have not been possible without it (iron is not nearly as hard or durable).

 
19 .01 361 Mario Kart - Lucille Ball - Celebrity

19 .02 362 Larry Boy - *** SKIPPED *** -

19 .03 363 Arsenal of Doom - Ernest Shackleton - Explorer

19 .04 364 FUBAR - Albert Bierstadt - Painter

19 .05 365 Acer FC - Pablo Naruda - Playwright/Poet

19 .06 366 Yankee23fan - Desmond Tutu - Humanitarian / Martyr

19 .07 367 Thorn - Sir William Blackstone - Wildcard

19 .08 368 DC Thunder - Jascha Heifetz - Artist (non-painter)

19 .09 369 Doug B - Duke Arthur Wellesley of Wellington - Wildcard

19 .10 370 Mad Sweeney - *** SKIPPED *** -

19 .11 371 Big Rocks - Pink Floyd - Musician

19 .12 372 higgins - Henry Bessemer - Inventor

19 .13 373 John Madden's Lunchbox - -

19 .14 374 Usual21 - -

19 .15 375 thatguy - -

19 .16 376 Andy Dufresne - -

19 .17 377 Herbert the Hippo - -

19 .18 378 BobbyLayne - -

19 .19 379 Mister CIA - -

19 .20 380 Abrantes - -

 

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