Steel Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
Instead of worst Lose Lose trade, how about worst one-sided trade.
Atl. Farve to GB
Stl. Bettis to Pitt
TB. Young to SF
Atl. Farve to GB
Stl. Bettis to Pitt
TB. Young to SF
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Worst One Sided Trade Ever (1 Viewer)
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Family Matters
Footballguy
That's got to be the one. But don't forget about the Ricky Williams trade.
wannabee
Footballguy
That came to mind as well. Those two are tops in my book.
Exile
Footballguy
Obviously the players in these trades were good...but what was the compensation for the teams trading the players? I'm curious what Bettis was traded for in particular since he was an established player at the time of the trade.Instead of worst Lose Lose trade, how about worst one-sided trade.Atl. Farve to GBStl. Bettis to PittTB. Young to SF
On The Rocks
Footballguy
Bad Trade for the Bills:
Buffalo trading their #1 draft pick to Jacksonville for Rob Johnson.
The #1 pick turned out to be Fred Taylor.
Good Trade for the Bills:
5 draft picks from the 49ers for O.J. Simpson. One of those players drafted turned out to be Tom Cousineau, who refused to play for the Bills. His rights were traded to the Browns for a #1 pick, and that #1 pick turned out to be Jim Kelly.
(Not to mention that the Bills also ended up with Joe Cribbs out of that deal)
Buffalo trading their #1 draft pick to Jacksonville for Rob Johnson.
The #1 pick turned out to be Fred Taylor.
Good Trade for the Bills:
5 draft picks from the 49ers for O.J. Simpson. One of those players drafted turned out to be Tom Cousineau, who refused to play for the Bills. His rights were traded to the Browns for a #1 pick, and that #1 pick turned out to be Jim Kelly.
(Not to mention that the Bills also ended up with Joe Cribbs out of that deal)
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massraider
Footballguy
I once read some article, about what Jimmy Johnson turned their end of the deal into, and it was unreal. It was very complicated, but some of the picks he turned into more picks, by trading down, etc., and they had some great drafts.He essentially turned Herschel into a dynasty.This is the only choice.
chris1969
Footballguy
Agreed.
Family Matters
Footballguy
While this isn't at the same level as the Walker or Williams trades it's worth mentioning. Indy traded Faulk to STL. Faulk did ok for the Rams.
The Cowboys got draft picks that turned into Emmitt Smith, Darren Woodson, and (via more trading) Russell Maryland. Those guys were pretty darned good, but I don't think they got anyone else of note. So while the trade was lopsided, I don't think it was any worse than the Colts-Broncos trade in 1983 (Mark Hermann, Chris Hinton, and Ron Solt for John Elway).The Chargers had a doozy when they traded Jim Lachey for John Clay and Napoleon McCallum.
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SuperJohn96
RPS World Champion
Wow...So the Bills turned OJ Simpson into Jim Kelly...hmm...Bad Trade for the Bills:Buffalo trading their #1 draft pick to Jacksonville for Rob Johnson.The #1 pick turned out to be Fred Taylor.Good Trade for the Bills:5 draft picks from the 49ers for O.J. Simpson. One of those players drafted turned out to be Tom Cousineau, who refused to play for the Bills. His rights were traded to the Browns for a #1 pick, and that #1 pick turned out to be Jim Kelly.(Not to mention that the Bills also ended up with Joe Cribbs out of that deal)
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Ahman Green to the Packers for Fred Vinson....poor Fred never did get on the field in the regular season.
Ahman is (was ) the Packers second all-time rusher and owner of the 6th or 7th highest rushing total for a single season in NFL history.
Ahman is (was
) the Packers second all-time rusher and owner of the 6th or 7th highest rushing total for a single season in NFL history.
JoeSteeler
Footballguy
Bettis was traded to Pittsburgh with a third round draft pick in exchange for a second round pick in 1996 and a fourth round draft pick in 1997.
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renesauz
IBL Representative
Maybe, but right now it has to be New orleans giving up an entire draft for Ricky Williams.
TheLastDispatch
Footballguy
Eagles trade AJ to miami...
Philly couldnt look better in that.
Philly couldnt look better in that.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Who was drafted with those picks though?
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Then SD got Brees in the second.
Which one?Ditka? or to the Fins?
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
The Dolphins basically traded Reggie Brown to the Eagles for nothing.
Despyzer
Lousy Attention Whore
Atlanta also gave up a 3rd... I think the Chargers picked up Reche Caldwell with that pick. Not drafting Vick allowed them to take Brees with their own 2nd rounder.As long as we are discussing the Chargers and draft trades concerning QBs, how about giving up a 1st in the subsequent year, a 3rd, and two starters just to move up one spot and draft Ryan Leaf? That's a pretty bad deal.
I think today is a good day to add it. IT's pretty lopsided. I love seeing arrogant punks like Ellie flop. He hasn't been a bust at this point, but he's sure been a Value Added Trade for the Chargers. IIRC, the Pats traded away Bledsoe (who was then a backup)for a #1 that later became Vince Wilfork. Nice lopsided thade there. But, I have to agree. The Cowboys dynasty was built on the Herschel trade and the genius of Jimmy Johnson, who I consider to be one of the great pro development/eyes. He had the 'phins on the upswing, but turned it over to Wanstedt for easy street. Conversely, we have Ditka, who I don't think could find his #### if searching with both hands. He may be tough, and he may have played great, but I honestly don't think the guy is lost in discussing the finer points of the game developing. His title was the genius of Buddy Ryan and the convergence of talent around him. IE, the right place at the right time. But mostly, it was Buddy Ryan and the new 46 that nobody had figured out yet. Yes, he let him run it, but that's it. I just have to say the Herschel trade, and the eventual outcome of what they generated with it, the award has to go to the 'Boys. But, it transcends to hockey. The Peter Lindros trade to the Nordiques/Avalanche. The 'Diques trade Lindros for Peter Forsberg, Ron Hextall, Mike Ricci, Chris Simon, Kerry Huffman, two first round draft picks in 1993 (Jocelyn Thibault) & 1994 that they traded away before using and $15 million cash. After moving to Colorado, the Avs package Thibault w/ Martin Rucinsky and Andrei Kovalenko for a slight upgrade to Patrick Roy and Mike Keane. They went on to 8 division titles and 2 Stanley Cups,. Not football, but still a hugely lopsided trade that built a dynasty of sorts with that trade.
I think one could call that a bad deal. But to be fair, he looked great. He was just a head case. If we don't have the Ryan Leaf debacle, I think Roethlisberger gets drafted much higher 3 years ago. Just my opinion, but I think he hurt Big Ben, even though Roethlisberger was far more established. I bought into the Leaf hype.
yellowdog
Footballguy
Don't forget, they also gave up a 1st and 3rd the following year.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Anybody know who the actual players were that Miami selected?Don't forget, they also gave up a 1st and 3rd the following year.
BigRed
Footballguy
Shut up.While this isn't at the same level as the Walker or Williams trades it's worth mentioning. Indy traded Faulk to STL. Faulk did ok for the Rams.
#@$! Polian. On the other hand, getting I think ultimately 2 No. 1s for Boy George in the ATL trade was sweet. Walker has to be it though. The trade that made JJ look like a "genius" I don't think it's fair to spell out whom each pick became. Excellent drafting from the Chargers no doubt but you could pick a real large number of teams similar round picks and not come away with anywhere near that level of success. A 1st for 1st,2nd,3rd etc is a much more fair way of looking at it IMO.Also, in time I think Brees will be though of as having stopped off/played briefly etc at San Diego. Right now it's the majority of his career but in time he'll become more like a guy that kept the seat warm for Rivers.I have no problem with a team giving up ALOT for a franchise QB or RB. I think the Saints went way overboard but giving up alot for Ricky (back then) was reasonable. Eli, maybe a pick or two too much but giving up alot for a franchise QB isn't crazy at all.Older Charger fans surely remember the gap between top QB Fouts and top QB Brees/Rivers. Look at Minnesota or Miami or Cleveland and the number of starters they've had. I'd bet Fins fans would give up alot for a great college QB if it means they won't be reminded that it's been a long time since Marino. It's VERY hard to land that franchise QB.Too much given up but alot for a franchise QB or RB isn't crazy at all IMO
Steel Mike Tomczak
Footballguy
I understand what you are saying but you are off topic. This isn't the "Worst Reasoning in a Trade Ever" Thread. Reasoning is not relevant here. Its How the trade panned out and who Ultimately stood to gain one sidedly. In other words....Its what actually happened as a result of the trade, not what was thought to happen.
:whoosh:I understand what you are saying but you are off topic. This isn't the "Worst Reasoning in a Trade Ever" Thread. Reasoning is not relevant here. Its How the trade panned out and who Ultimately stood to gain one sidedly. In other words....Its what actually happened as a result of the trade, not what was thought to happen.
BostonSportsGuy
Footballguy
Sarcasm, I suppose you could say the losing is what brought BB there, that's a fair point
Please See Mine
Footballguy
not sure if you are being rhetorical, but here it is:http://www.drafthistory.com/articles/article23.htmlSabertooth said:
SSOG
Moderator
That wasn't even the most one-sided trade made by Miami during that timeframe. They sent a 2nd rounder to St. Louis for Lamar Freaking Gordon, who had 35 carries for 64 yards (ONE POINT EIGHT YPC) and was cut after the season.
GregR_2
Footballguy
ESPN had a show devoted to worst draft trades. I didn't see all of it so don't know who they had at #1, but I think Seattle deserves an honorable mention. They traded away to Dallas the pick used to take Tony Dorsett, and then from the package of picks they got for that trade away to the 49ers the pick used to take Joe Montana.
stevegamer
Footballguy
Yeah, but at least they got a packageof picks for Dorsett, who I think was unwilling to play in Seattle.Of course the other (eventually) big deal they made was pretty good - a 1977 8th round pick to acquire Steve Largent from the Oilers.
moleculo
Footballguy
How about this: the Giants drafted a franchise QB, but liked another frianchise QB better. So, to get other franchise QB, they traded their franchise QB + a future first round + two additional thirds. It cost the Giants a first round plus two third round picks to have a different franchise QB - not necessarily a better QB, just a different QB.
MarshallRob
Footballguy
It was a 3rd rounder for Gordon. Besides that and the Feely debacle, Waanstedt/Spielman also traded away two 1st round picks for Ricky Williams (getting one good year in return plus a lot of bong-related problems), Adewele Ogunyele and a 3rd round pick for Marty Booker, and Jamar Fletcher and a 6th round pick for David Boston.
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stevegamer
Footballguy
That wasn't the deal. The Jets moved down about a dozen picks, getting a high second, and another later pick.
you snip the part where I said they gave up too much then reply that they gave up too much?
el centro
Footballguy
This wins hands down!!!!
Let's not forget about Tampa Bay sending Steve Young to San Francisco for a 2nd (Winston Moss) and a 4th (Bruce Hill).
Also, for the old schoolers, in 1950 the Lions traded for QB Bobby Layne from the New York Bulldogs for E Bob Mann. Layne went on to throw for 26,000 yards, and help Detroit to three NFL titles. But since most fantasy footballers live by the premise that if did not happen after 1990, it did not happen, I guess this trade shouldn't be considered.
Also, for the old schoolers, in 1950 the Lions traded for QB Bobby Layne from the New York Bulldogs for E Bob Mann. Layne went on to throw for 26,000 yards, and help Detroit to three NFL titles. But since most fantasy footballers live by the premise that if did not happen after 1990, it did not happen, I guess this trade shouldn't be considered.
Routilla
Footballguy
I thought Dallas got several picks out of the H. Walker deal. Perhaps extending over 2 seasons. Found it. Looks like DAL got :
RB Emmitt Smith
DT Russell Maryland
CB Kevin Smith
S Darren Woodson
CB Clayton Holmes
according to http://vikings.scout.com/2/11653.html#walkertraderesult
RB Emmitt Smith
DT Russell Maryland
CB Kevin Smith
S Darren Woodson
CB Clayton Holmes
according to http://vikings.scout.com/2/11653.html#walkertraderesult
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http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=2042767Oakland gets the 26th overall selection, moving back into the first round after trading the seventh overall pick to Minnesota for Randy Moss in March.
New York also gets a second-round (47th overall) and two sixth-round picks (182, 185) from Oakland, while the Raiders get a seventh-round selection.
(Still a pretty bad trade) It was still a first rounder for Jolley, no matter how you slice it.
