Would Ronda Rousey kick your ###? (2 Viewers)

[James Daulton]

Most of you have seen women athletes right?

They are still feminine. Weaker, slower and smaller than men of the same size and training. Skill can help mitigate that some, but the differences are striking when fully confronted with the comparison.

RR could not defeat FM in any forum where he is allowed to punch her. She cannot defend against his speed and power. He is a world class athlete and fights other world class atheletes and wins. The argument is ludicrous.

This also brings me to the potential unidentified FBG. Can she defeat ANY average Joe no matter his size, strength or skill? Of course not. There are untrained men who by sheer size and strength would not be beaten by RR. Now the only question is, does a man like that post in the FFA? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm 6'2", 240 lbs and somewhat athletic, but I've never been in a fight in my life. Someone my size with some kind of fighting/MA training could get it done I'm sure. 7" & 105 lbs is not only a lot, but factoring in the muscle mass and natural male developmental advantages, an insurmountable advantage.

Ok

He's also claimed to be better than Lebron. So there's that.

Uhhhhh no.I used to say I had a better jump shot than LeBron. Now he has improved it vastly over his career so that is no longer the case.

Of course, you've never seen me play ball, so you have no basis for any discussion on the matter.

The delusion is strong in this one.

 

[heckmanm]

Seems like we could answer the Rousey/Mayweather question by having them start dating.

 

[NewlyRetired]

So what would RR do when Kamala lands on top of her? What type of hold or move will vacate the 350 pound mass off of her little 135 pound body? Everyone is focusing on all of the advantages that she holds with her skill and speed, but seem to forget a couple of obvious issues that she will have with a much larger opponent.

Ignoring the women vs man issue, check the thread, many vids have been posted in this thread showing HUGE opponents lose to significantly smaller opponents in MMA.

 

[kutta]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

 

[Jayrok]

Seems like we could answer the Rousey/Mayweather question by having them start dating.

:golfclap: well done, sir.

 

[moleculo]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

agree with all of this.

I would also say that RR is more likely than not to beat anyone who comments on a fantasy football messageboard all day.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

agree with all of this.

I would also say that RR is more likely than not to beat anyone who comments on a fantasy football messageboard all day.

Agree also, but I think she'd have a chance against Floyd assuming he went in cold with no time to train TDD. She'd definitely be an underdog, but she'd have a chance. IMO she'd actually have a much easier time with Floyd than with a similarly-sized MMA pro (the guys from good camps in the decent orgs, not the dudes making $100 on Saturday night to brawl at the fairgrounds in Bumblefarg USA).

 

[lod01]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.

Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

She's pretty arrogant.

 

[lod01]

She's pretty & arrogant.

Yeah. Hot!

 

[Ketamine Dreams]

Most of you have seen women athletes right?

They are still feminine. Weaker, slower and smaller than men of the same size and training. Skill can help mitigate that some, but the differences are striking when fully confronted with the comparison.

RR could not defeat FM in any forum where he is allowed to punch her. She cannot defend against his speed and power. He is a world class athlete and fights other world class atheletes and wins. The argument is ludicrous.

This also brings me to the potential unidentified FBG. Can she defeat ANY average Joe no matter his size, strength or skill? Of course not. There are untrained men who by sheer size and strength would not be beaten by RR. Now the only question is, does a man like that post in the FFA? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm 6'2", 240 lbs and somewhat athletic, but I've never been in a fight in my life. Someone my size with some kind of fighting/MA training could get it done I'm sure. 7" & 105 lbs is not only a lot, but factoring in the muscle mass and natural male developmental advantages, an insurmountable advantage.

Ok

He's also claimed to be better than Lebron. So there's that.

Uhhhhh no.I used to say I had a better jump shot than LeBron. Now he has improved it vastly over his career so that is no longer the case.

Of course, you've never seen me play ball, so you have no basis for any discussion on the matter.

The delusion is strong in this one.

It has been for quite awhile.

 

[kentric]

She's pretty arrogant confident.

I agree.

Love her talks on bras on female MMA fighters and pre-fight sex.

 

[Sinn Fein]

Have to admire the marketing angle.

Rousey has gone from beating up lightweight chicks, to being able to beat up any man in the world.

 

[Cjw_55106]

So what would RR do when Kamala lands on top of her? What type of hold or move will vacate the 350 pound mass off of her little 135 pound body? Everyone is focusing on all of the advantages that she holds with her skill and speed, but seem to forget a couple of obvious issues that she will have with a much larger opponent.

Well damn. I wish someone would have brought this up.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

 

[kutta]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

I do think FM would beat some mma guys. A big part of MMA is standup fighting, and a big part of that is boxing. It's not like his skills aren't relevant. He is so quick and so fast that I could see him completely dominating some guys. He could get in and out very quickly where these guys may not be able to grab him.

 

[lod01]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

I do think FM would beat some mma guys. A big part of MMA is standup fighting, and a big part of that is boxing. It's not like his skills aren't relevant. He is so quick and so fast that I could see him completely dominating some guys. He could get in and out very quickly where these guys may not be able to grab him.

But as de Lion said, he has no 1 punch KO ability. They would shrug his #### off like it was nothing. Remember they are used to getting punched in the face with far less than boxing gloves.

 

[whiskey7]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

I think its a mistake to assume he would be helpless in MMA format and quickly subbed or pounded. While he is a boxer by trade, he is an elite athlete with quickness/speed, strength, conditioning, etc. I don't think he'd just panic and say "Oh, #####! What do I do now?!" if someone got a hold of him. He takes a better punch than most people give him credit for, too. He just doesn't get hit hard that much because he's so good defensively...

As far as one-punch KO power, he may not necessarily have it against boxers who are used to seeing those punches coming. He might surprise some MMA guys who have not seen that level of precision striking, though. Definitely, Rousey has never seen any punches like Floyd could throw at her.

 

[Doug B]

I'm hoping this is a more intelligent line of questioning for the MMA guys:

How does RR fare against Olympic-level men's freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestlers in the 60 and 66 kg weight classes (132.3- 1 45.5 lbs)? I know MMA guys don't respect striking sans grappling, so I'm thinking perhaps the groundwork the wrestlers do is of more help in the octagon (but yes, I remember Dan Severn's early days in MMA).

If the striking-knowledge deficit is too great for the male 60-66 kg wrestlers to make up, can larger male wrestlers (same disciplines) make up the difference on sheer size? Allowing for a flight of fancy here: RR getting a submission lock on say, prime Aleksandr Karelin** - 6'4", ~280 lbs, 3x Greco-Roman gold medalist - is no doubt harder for her than doing the same on an FFA desk jockey, right?

Could she expected to be able to regularly submit an athlete of Karelin's size and skill? Also seems that anyone his size that came up through the Soviet athletic training system would be a lock for a 500-lb bench and other generally gaudy strength numbers.

** yep, the guy that lost to Rulon Gardner in 2000 in Sydney.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

It doesn't matter how athletic he is or how strong / conditioned / etc. There's just no way someone with no experience or training can defend chained sub attempts from a high level BJJ player. Seriously, it's just not happening.

 

[Cliff Clavin]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

I think its a mistake to assume he would be helpless in MMA format and quickly subbed or pounded. While he is a boxer by trade, he is an elite athlete with quickness/speed, strength, conditioning, etc. I don't think he'd just panic and say "Oh, #####! What do I do now?!" if someone got a hold of him. He takes a better punch than most people give him credit for, too. He just doesn't get hit hard that much because he's so good defensively...

As far as one-punch KO power, he may not necessarily have it against boxers who are used to seeing those punches coming. He might surprise some MMA guys who have not seen that level of precision striking, though. Definitely, Rousey has never seen any punches like Floyd could throw at her.

oof. He would absolutely be helpless on the ground. Hint: the punches aren't what he'd have to worry about.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I'm hoping this is a more intelligent line of questioning for the MMA guys:

How does RR fare against Olympic-level men's freestyle and Greco-Roman wrestlers in the 60 and 66 kg weight classes (132.3- 1 45.5 lbs)? I know MMA guys don't respect striking sans grappling, so I'm thinking perhaps the groundwork the wrestlers do is of more help in the octagon (but yes, I remember Dan Severn's early days in MMA).

If the striking-knowledge deficit is too great for the male 60-66 kg wrestlers to make up, can larger male wrestlers (same disciplines) make up the difference on sheer size? Allowing for a flight of fancy here: RR getting a submission lock on say, prime Aleksandr Karelin** - 6'4", ~280 lbs, 3x Greco-Roman gold medalist - is no doubt harder for her than doing the same on an FFA desk jockey, right?

Could she expected to be able to regularly submit an athlete of Karelin's size and skill? Also seems that anyone his size that came up through the Soviet athletic training system would be a lock for a 500-lb bench and other generally gaudy strength numbers.

** yep, the guy that lost to Rulon Gardner in 2000 in Sydney.

Wrestling is an entirely different story -- elite male wrestlers would beat her. We have no idea on Rousey's guard game, but I kind of doubt it's good enough to deal with good male wrestlers. Its not like she spends much time fighting from her back.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

(snip) Could she expected to be able to regularly submit an athlete of Karelin's size and skill?

Not at all. Even against similarly weighted olympian FS wrestlers she would have a lot of trouble. Grappling at the elite world class level (be it judo, BJJ, wrestling...) is the ultimate difference maker. Once you level the playing field by saying "vs other olympic grapplers" then yes, size and strength comes into play and is an advantage.

I'm guessing we have exactly zero world class grapplers in the FFA. And that is why Rousey would wreck everyone reading this.

 

[Doug B]

I'm guessing we have exactly world class grapplers in the FFA.

<LiteralMan>

Well, yeah ... it IS the FFA after all. Dudes lift around here.

</LiteralMan>

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

So what would RR do when Kamala lands on top of her? What type of hold or move will vacate the 350 pound mass off of her little 135 pound body? Everyone is focusing on all of the advantages that she holds with her skill and speed, but seem to forget a couple of obvious issues that she will have with a much larger opponent.

If the hypothetical is "RR willingly lays down and give Kamala full mount" then she may have some problems. I'd still guess she'd be able to create enough hip space to get a submission, but of course if you're being smothered by 400# then you're having a bad day whether you're RR or not.

Now, If the hypothetical is "Kamala will engage her in a clinch and then because he is so big and strong he will throw her to the ground and take mount" then you have a faulty premise.

135# of Technique + Balance > 400# Fat

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

I'm guessing we have exactly world class grapplers in the FFA.

<LiteralMan>

Well, yeah ... it IS the FFA after all. Dudes lift around here.

</LiteralMan>

Heh, that should say "exactly zero". editing now.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Most of you have seen women athletes right?

They are still feminine. Weaker, slower and smaller than men of the same size and training. Skill can help mitigate that some, but the differences are striking when fully confronted with the comparison.

RR could not defeat FM in any forum where he is allowed to punch her. She cannot defend against his speed and power. He is a world class athlete and fights other world class atheletes and wins. The argument is ludicrous.

This also brings me to the potential unidentified FBG. Can she defeat ANY average Joe no matter his size, strength or skill? Of course not. There are untrained men who by sheer size and strength would not be beaten by RR. Now the only question is, does a man like that post in the FFA? I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised.

I'm 6'2", 240 lbs and somewhat athletic, but I've never been in a fight in my life. Someone my size with some kind of fighting/MA training could get it done I'm sure. 7" & 105 lbs is not only a lot, but factoring in the muscle mass and natural male developmental advantages, an insurmountable advantage.

Ok

He's also claimed to be better than Lebron. So there's that.

Uhhhhh no. I used to say I had a better jump shot than LeBron. Now he has improved it vastly over his career so that is no longer the case.

Of course, you've never seen me play ball, so you have no basis for any discussion on the matter.

I can throw a football over them mountains.

 

[whiskey7]

It doesn't matter how athletic he is or how strong / conditioned / etc. There's just no way someone with no experience or training can defend chained sub attempts from a high level BJJ player. Seriously, it's just not happening.

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

I think its a mistake to assume he would be helpless in MMA format and quickly subbed or pounded. While he is a boxer by trade, he is an elite athlete with quickness/speed, strength, conditioning, etc. I don't think he'd just panic and say "Oh, #####! What do I do now?!" if someone got a hold of him. He takes a better punch than most people give him credit for, too. He just doesn't get hit hard that much because he's so good defensively...

As far as one-punch KO power, he may not necessarily have it against boxers who are used to seeing those punches coming. He might surprise some MMA guys who have not seen that level of precision striking, though. Definitely, Rousey has never seen any punches like Floyd could throw at her.

oof. He would absolutely be helpless on the ground. Hint: the punches aren't what he'd have to worry about.

You guys talk like someone with BJJ is absolutely unstoppable in all circumstances by anyone who has no formal BJJ training. Two people get into a fight...obviously training and skill play a huge role but its still one person's physical abilities vs the other. To our knowledge, Mayweather is not formally trained in BJJ, take-down defense, etc but it does not mean he cant see someone going for his legs and move quickly to avoid. He may look very unorthodox in the process, but I think he'd be more slippery than folks are giving him credit for. I don't think its as easy as saying it would be over as soon as it went to the ground. And I think its also a mistake to think an MMA guy walks right through his punches to get close to him. My $0.02

 

[John Bender]

So what would RR do when Kamala lands on top of her? What type of hold or move will vacate the 350 pound mass off of her little 135 pound body? Everyone is focusing on all of the advantages that she holds with her skill and speed, but seem to forget a couple of obvious issues that she will have with a much larger opponent.

If the hypothetical is "RR willingly lays down and give Kamala full mount" then she may have some problems. I'd still guess she'd be able to create enough hip space to get a submission, but of course if you're being smothered by 400# then you're having a bad day whether you're RR or not.

Now, If the hypothetical is "Kamala will engage her in a clinch and then because he is so big and strong he will throw her to the ground and take mount" then you have a faulty premise.

135# of Technique + Balance > 400# Fat

What if Kamala had a machine gun too?

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

So what would RR do when Kamala lands on top of her? What type of hold or move will vacate the 350 pound mass off of her little 135 pound body? Everyone is focusing on all of the advantages that she holds with her skill and speed, but seem to forget a couple of obvious issues that she will have with a much larger opponent.

If the hypothetical is "RR willingly lays down and give Kamala full mount" then she may have some problems. I'd still guess she'd be able to create enough hip space to get a submission, but of course if you're being smothered by 400# then you're having a bad day whether you're RR or not.

Now, If the hypothetical is "Kamala will engage her in a clinch and then because he is so big and strong he will throw her to the ground and take mount" then you have a faulty premise.

135# of Technique + Balance > 400# Fat

What if Kamala had a machine gun too?

uzi, I'll still take RR.

7.62 caliber mini gun, advantage swings to the Ugandan Giant

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

It doesn't matter how athletic he is or how strong / conditioned / etc. There's just no way someone with no experience or training can defend chained sub attempts from a high level BJJ player. Seriously, it's just not happening.

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

I think its a mistake to assume he would be helpless in MMA format and quickly subbed or pounded. While he is a boxer by trade, he is an elite athlete with quickness/speed, strength, conditioning, etc. I don't think he'd just panic and say "Oh, #####! What do I do now?!" if someone got a hold of him. He takes a better punch than most people give him credit for, too. He just doesn't get hit hard that much because he's so good defensively...As far as one-punch KO power, he may not necessarily have it against boxers who are used to seeing those punches coming. He might surprise some MMA guys who have not seen that level of precision striking, though. Definitely, Rousey has never seen any punches like Floyd could throw at her.

oof. He would absolutely be helpless on the ground. Hint: the punches aren't what he'd have to worry about.

You guys talk like someone with BJJ is absolutely unstoppable in all circumstances by anyone who has no formal BJJ training. Two people get into a fight...obviously training and skill play a huge role but its still one persons physical abilities vs the other. To our knowledge, Mayweather is not formally trained in BJJ, take-down defense, etc but it does not mean he cant see someone going for his legs and move quickly to avoid. He may look very unorthodox in the process, but I think he'd be more slippery that folks are giving him credit for. I don't think its as easy as saying it would be over as soon as it went to the ground. And I think its also a mistake to think an MMA guy walks right through his punches to get close to him. My $0.02

This is why guys who only know how to box do so well in MMA. Some wrestler/judo/BJJ goon shoots and the boxer just sidesteps. Next thing you know the pug is giving them the old one-two right in the kisser. One way ticket on the night train to the big adios.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Yeah, it's a demo and the dude isn't that big but...

http://i.imgur.com/RKgtjaG.gifv

 

[Cliff Clavin]

You guys talk like someone with BJJ is absolutely unstoppable in all circumstances by anyone who has no formal BJJ training. Two people get into a fight...obviously training and skill play a huge role but its still one person's physical abilities vs the other. To our knowledge, Mayweather is not formally trained in BJJ, take-down defense, etc but it does not mean he cant see someone going for his legs and move quickly to avoid. He may look very unorthodox in the process, but I think he'd be more slippery than folks are giving him credit for. I don't think its as easy as saying it would be over as soon as it went to the ground. And I think its also a mistake to think an MMA guy walks right through his punches to get close to him. My $0.02

Yeah, thats pretty wrong. A world class BJJ fighter would absolutely have their way once it hits the ground vs someone who isn't trained in some form of grappling.

If you want to argue that she wouldn't be able to take Mayweather down before he KO's her, fine. But on the ground, it doesn't last more than 10 seconds.

 

[AhrnCityPahnder]

It doesn't matter how athletic he is or how strong / conditioned / etc. There's just no way someone with no experience or training can defend chained sub attempts from a high level BJJ player. Seriously, it's just not happening.

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

I think its a mistake to assume he would be helpless in MMA format and quickly subbed or pounded. While he is a boxer by trade, he is an elite athlete with quickness/speed, strength, conditioning, etc. I don't think he'd just panic and say "Oh, #####! What do I do now?!" if someone got a hold of him. He takes a better punch than most people give him credit for, too. He just doesn't get hit hard that much because he's so good defensively...As far as one-punch KO power, he may not necessarily have it against boxers who are used to seeing those punches coming. He might surprise some MMA guys who have not seen that level of precision striking, though. Definitely, Rousey has never seen any punches like Floyd could throw at her.

oof. He would absolutely be helpless on the ground. Hint: the punches aren't what he'd have to worry about.

You guys talk like someone with BJJ is absolutely unstoppable in all circumstances by anyone who has no formal BJJ training. Two people get into a fight...obviously training and skill play a huge role but its still one persons physical abilities vs the other. To our knowledge, Mayweather is not formally trained in BJJ, take-down defense, etc but it does not mean he cant see someone going for his legs and move quickly to avoid. He may look very unorthodox in the process, but I think he'd be more slippery that folks are giving him credit for. I don't think its as easy as saying it would be over as soon as it went to the ground. And I think its also a mistake to think an MMA guy walks right through his punches to get close to him. My $0.02

This is why guys who only know how to box do so well in MMA. Some wrestler/judo/BJJ goon shoots and the boxer just sidesteps. Next thing you know the pug is giving them the old one-two right in the kisser. One way ticket on the night train to the big adios.

for future like accrual: Work the word "galoot" in here somewhere next time.

 

[The Goat]

6'2" - 225. Stronger than most. Can take a pretty decent punch.

Ronda Rousey would beat the every-loving holy crap out of me.

 

[The Goat]

It doesn't matter how athletic he is or how strong / conditioned / etc. There's just no way someone with no experience or training can defend chained sub attempts from a high level BJJ player. Seriously, it's just not happening.

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

I think its a mistake to assume he would be helpless in MMA format and quickly subbed or pounded. While he is a boxer by trade, he is an elite athlete with quickness/speed, strength, conditioning, etc. I don't think he'd just panic and say "Oh, #####! What do I do now?!" if someone got a hold of him. He takes a better punch than most people give him credit for, too. He just doesn't get hit hard that much because he's so good defensively...As far as one-punch KO power, he may not necessarily have it against boxers who are used to seeing those punches coming. He might surprise some MMA guys who have not seen that level of precision striking, though. Definitely, Rousey has never seen any punches like Floyd could throw at her.

oof. He would absolutely be helpless on the ground. Hint: the punches aren't what he'd have to worry about.

You guys talk like someone with BJJ is absolutely unstoppable in all circumstances by anyone who has no formal BJJ training. Two people get into a fight...obviously training and skill play a huge role but its still one persons physical abilities vs the other. To our knowledge, Mayweather is not formally trained in BJJ, take-down defense, etc but it does not mean he cant see someone going for his legs and move quickly to avoid. He may look very unorthodox in the process, but I think he'd be more slippery that folks are giving him credit for. I don't think its as easy as saying it would be over as soon as it went to the ground. And I think its also a mistake to think an MMA guy walks right through his punches to get close to him. My $0.02

This is why guys who only know how to box do so well in MMA. Some wrestler/judo/BJJ goon shoots and the boxer just sidesteps. Next thing you know the pug is giving them the old one-two right in the kisser. One way ticket on the night train to the big adios.

for future like accrual: Work the word "galoot" in here somewhere next time.

That word is actually a perfect description of me.

 

[Doug B]

Someone brought up Bruce Lee on the previous page and was pretty much laughed off. I think the comparison between Rousey and Bruce Lee are interesting, however, because Lee's actual skills and training background are not commonly understood.

While the stuff Lee did in the movies was largely for show, he had loads of legit fighting training in his background. He practiced both wing shun, which includes grappling work, and kung fu from boyhood in Hong Kong until he went to college in the U.S. As a young teen, he regular engaged in street fights with other local fighters (kind of a weird real-life Fight Club thing). Bruce Lee was kicked out of his first high school in Hong Kong for being involved in these matches. Despite this, he continued on in the fight scene. Later he beat the son of a powerful Triad boss, leading to some tense days for his family awaiting retaliation. For his own good, Bruce Lee's father sent him to live with his sister in San Francisco.

Long story short: Lee started teaching wing shun and kung fu informally in Seattle a few years after coming over. Word spread, and some fighters from other disciplines (judo, tae kwon do, etc.) came to train with Lee. In turn, Lee learned what he could of other's skill sets and, over time, developed his own style of "unregimented " wing shun, optimized for street fighting, known as Jeet Kune Do.

So, Lee's bona fides as a fighter, both striking and grappling, are established. Coincidentally, he was very close to Rousey's height and weight (Lee: 5' 8", ~140-145 lbs). If you could time-travel Lee circa 1972 into a modern octagon to fight Rousey, would his "maleness" (aka better strength-per-unit-of-mass ratio) give him a distinct advantage in MMA over Rousey?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Remember when Art Jimmerson won UFC I?

 

[Coeur de Lion]

You guys talk like someone with BJJ is absolutely unstoppable in all circumstances by anyone who has no formal BJJ training. Two people get into a fight...obviously training and skill play a huge role but its still one person's physical abilities vs the other. To our knowledge, Mayweather is not formally trained in BJJ, take-down defense, etc but it does not mean he cant see someone going for his legs and move quickly to avoid. He may look very unorthodox in the process, but I think he'd be more slippery than folks are giving him credit for. I don't think its as easy as saying it would be over as soon as it went to the ground. And I think its also a mistake to think an MMA guy walks right through his punches to get close to him. My $0.02

Yeah, thats pretty wrong. A world class BJJ fighter would absolutely have their way with once it hits the ground vs someone who isn't trained in some form of grappling.

If you want to argue that she wouldn't be able to take Mayweather down before he KO's her, fine. But on the ground, it doesn't last more than 10 seconds.

We aren't talking about "someone with BJJ" here. We're talking about an Olympic medalist grappler. Rousey is as good a judoka as Floyd is a boxer -- in Rousey's world, she owns him. And vice versa, of course.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Wait...what was Lee's record as a fighter? (Pro or Am)

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Someone brought up Bruce Lee on the previous page and was pretty much laughed off. I think the comparison between Rousey and Bruce Lee are interesting, however, because Lee's actual skills and training background are not commonly understood.

While the stuff Lee did in the movies was largely for show, he had loads of legit fighting training in his background. He practiced both wing shun, which includes grappling work, and kung fu from boyhood in Hong Kong until he went to college in the U.S. As a young teen, he regular engaged in street fights with other local fighters (kind of a weird real-life Fight Club thing). Bruce Lee was kicked out of his first high school in Hong Kong for being involved in these matches. Despite this, he continued on in the fight scene. Later he beat the son of a powerful Triad boss, leading to some tense days for his family awaiting retaliation. For his own good, Bruce Lee's father sent him to live with his sister in San Francisco.

Long story short: Lee started teaching wing shun and kung fu informally in Seattle a few years after coming over. Word spread, and some fighters from other disciplines (judo, tae kwon do, etc.) came to train with Lee. In turn, Lee learned what he could of other's skill sets and, over time, developed his own style of "unregimented " wing shun, optimized for street fighting, known as Jeet Kune Do.

So, Lee's bona fides as a fighter, both striking and grappling, are established. Coincidentally, he was very close to Rousey's height and weight (Lee: 5' 8", ~140-145 lbs). If you could time-travel Lee circa 1972 into a modern octagon to fight Rousey, would his "maleness" (aka better strength-per-unit-of-mass ratio) give him a distinct advantage in MMA over Rousey?

Bruce Lee would kill her. He was one of the original pioneers of cross-training in martial arts.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Here's my thoughts on RR vs. most of the opponents mentioned so far. I think there would be a fair amount of agreement on this.

1. RR would beat most if not all the guys on this forum.

2. RR would have a fighting chance against professional athletes from other sports and would beat more of them than most people think.

3. RR would probably beat some low-level 135 lb. male MMA fighters.

4. RR would not beat any male UFC fighter.

5. RR would not beat FM.

I like to think of it like tennis. The top woman's tennis player probably wouldn't beat the top 100 males. But if you were the best athlete in the world (Lebron?) and never picked up a tennis racket, the top woman's tennis player would kill you. Now I understand it's a little different in fighting because strength matters, but I do think Rhonda would have a decent chance against a lot of top male athletes. However, I think she would have very little chance against top male "fighting" (mma, boxing, etc.) athletes.

3 just doesn't go with 5. What you are saying is that some low level MMA fighters with training that FM doesn't have, will still lose to him in their sport.Unless he gets off some miracle punch, he loses to every one of them that is capable of a submission hold.

Why would it be a miracle? He's plenty fast and precise.

He's a defensive genius certainly, but not a one punch KO threat, and as soon as the MMA guy gets the clinch, the fight is going to the ground where Floyd gets subbed or pounded out quickly. It would be just as ugly the other way if a top MMA guy tried to box with even a lower level pro boxer.

Ah, I was still speaking specifically about Rousey. Do we even know if she can take a solid punch from a woman?

IMO Floyd would have a good chance to KO her before she got inside to tie him up and take him down. He'd be favored, but Rousey would have a chance. And if it did go to the ground, Floyd would be 100% done. Top male MMA guys beat Floyd easily IMO.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Pretty sure she posted this pic a day or two after her last fight https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/89/3a/79893a845b0af2d9bd76ae62d6b79ede.jpg

Seems she took at least one good shot but watching the fight you wouldn't know it.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Pretty sure she posted this pic a day or two after her last fight https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/736x/79/89/3a/79893a845b0af2d9bd76ae62d6b79ede.jpg

Seems she took at least one good shot but watching the fight you wouldn't know it.

So she took a half-### shot from a woman?

ETA: Sorry, I need to step away from this Rousey vs Mayweather discussion.

I was just pointing out that she did take some sort of shot in the fight. I have no idea how solid it was but she has a little Irish sunglasses going on. It's not proof of anything but it is interesting.

 

[Doug B]

Wait...what was Lee's record as a fighter? (Pro or Am)

Sanctioned matches? I don't think the Hong Kong U-20 Bumfight racket was big on bookkeeping.

 

[STEADYMOBBIN 22]

Royce Gracie is 6ft tall and 175lbs.

What is your point?

This guy was 6'8" 486 pounds that Royce fought.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=POJ2T023M4I

Royce built his entire legacy (and promoted Gracie Jiu Jitsu) by beating numerous opponents who dwarfed him.

Well you've since edited your original post but you said he was 5' 7" & 140 lbs.

I'm not looking to get into it with one of my Dark Souls buddies so let's just agree to disagree.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

Wait...what was Lee's record as a fighter? (Pro or Am)

Sanctioned matches? I don't think the Hong Kong U-20 Bumfight racket was big on bookkeeping.

No PKA or whatever? No golden gloves? Nothing?

 

[Doug B]

Wait...what was (Bruce) Lee's record as a fighter? (Pro or Am)

Sanctioned matches? I don't think the Hong Kong U-20 Bumfight racket was big on bookkeeping.

No PKA or whatever? No golden gloves? Nothing?

Correct.

 

[Jayrok]

Bruce Lee beat up Chuck Norris... killed him even. Just sayin'

 

[moleculo]

RE: Mayweather vs Rousey - styles make fights. I don't believe RR has what it takes to get in on a fighter like Mayweather.

Rousey is a world class judoka, for sure. Judo, as far as I know, primarily works from the clinch. You have to be able to get a grip on your opponent before you can throw them. I don't believe there is any element in judo where you can get your takedown without establishing a grip first (I have no first hand knowledge of judo, so please correct me if I'm wrong). That means for RR to get her opponent on the ground where her jitsu can be effective, she has to work her way into the clinch (or take advantage of an opponents bad shot).

I can't recall RR ever initiating a traditional, leg-attack takedown from outside the clinch...that's what would be needed to get a high level boxer on the ground. That's what Couture did vs Toney (as linked earlier) - a low, John-Smith-style single leg.

I'm not saying RR can't execute a shot like that, it's just something I've never seen from her. It's not a move that she would have used in her judo career, and I haven't seen it from her (or many other fighters, for that matter) in the cage.

FM is a very smart fighter. He wouldn't need to watch a whole lot of RR's film to know to stay out of her clinch. He would know all he has to do is circle away from pressure and keep that jab out there...RR would have no way to protect herself from the onslaught of jabs and fast, accurate combos.

There are two primary skills in MMA - standing and ground fighting. Wrestling is important because you can dictate how you want the fight to go - the better wrestler gets to dictate if he wants the fight on the ground or not. That's why pure boxers get chewed up in MMA - their opponent can always shoot underneath them and get the fight on the ground. AFAIK, RR hasn't shown any ability to wrestle (beyond her judo stuff).