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Depends on the job. I manage a team of developers so sometimes the best ones are a little crazy (and look the part).
Zow is fine you and MC may need to hit a dictionaryThat view may be immature or naive, but it isn't his fault Zow didn't know what sexist meant.Ugh. Now I wish I hadnt given you real advice.But that view only applies to male professionals, so its sexistWhat does sexism have to do with it? I'm not saying someone with long hair looks more feminine or less masculine. I'm saying it looks like they don't care quite as much about the professional position they are seeking because, right or wrong, the societal stereotype is that professionals have short, clean cut hair.Im not trying to retort you but the philosophy in generalIts a sexist view but im not trying to argue with you, just get a sense of that manner of thinkingIt's a relative question. But yes, if he stood next to a dude who is had short, clean cut hair, he would appear relatively less clean cut. I have a feeling that no matter what I say you're going to have some conclusive rhetorical retort to come back with.If the guys face is freshly shaved and his hair is clean and tied back he isnt clean cut?I'm not saying it should matter. Your question was whether it would affect my view of a potential candidate. I asked honestly - which is that it probably would slightly in the negative and probably stem from my unconscious. Why? Well, while I would agree that length of hair is arbitrary and shouldn't mean anything, it's really a sign of preparedness and care for what you're requesting to endeavor. Right or wrong, a clean cut look is what is common and accept. I keep my hair cut cleanly out of respect for my profession. If someone didn't, I'd see them not caring as much about what he is trying to do (in this case get a job).Why should it matter on a man and not a woman? What does it make you think about them? Does short hair on a woman matter in any way?Would I hire a man with long hair? Of course.
Would it inadvertently make me thing a little less of him upon first meeting, especially if I'm considering him for a professional position? Probably. But it wouldn't be some absolute bar like a face tattoo or giant gauges probably would be.
Please refrain from this. You're defending an idiot. Read any five Zow posts above. Guy can't spell, punctuate, or use words above a sixth grade level. Maybe taking his side in a linguistic argument isn't the way to go.Zow is fine you and MC may need to hit a dictionary
Like, try to get through that gem and then tell me again that I've got no business challenging this guy's communicative skills.No, you didn't. You asked people's opinion on how they'd react to a potential job candidates with long hair.
Advice implies you are asking people to suggest you take an action within the specific subset of facts that you're dealing with.
Look, the only "advice" that you want to hear is that people with long hair should be given privilege and preference to a job position because they are awesome free spirits who are clearly super talented. In that case, rock on with your flowing mane and anyone who doesn't give you a job is a close-minded fascist.
I dont know why zow thinks im being argumentative. Im merely asking follow up questions. Obviously I have long hair and its clear how I feel about it and Im trying to ascertain the reasoning behind an opposing viewpoint.Please refrain from this. You're defending an idiot. Read any five Zow posts above. Guy can't spell, punctuate, or use words above a sixth grade level. Maybe taking his side in a linguistic argument isn't the way to go.Sexism has nothing to do with his preconceptions of masculinity and femininity, and everything to do with prejudicial views used to discriminate. If he says he'd only hire people with short hair, I'd challenge him that he'd hire women with long hair. Failing to even acknowledge that women groomed in the common socially approved style might be applying for any man's job? Sexist.Zow is fine you and MC may need to hit a dictionary
Far from saying MC is right to expect his hair to be a non-issue in any interview. But don't defend the completely incorrect based on the original post's thesis. Zow is barely stringing words together coherently half the time above.
I've had long hair in a professional, customer facing job.Given the job I doubt it would matter as long as you looked neat and clean. In a professional, customer facing job? Yeah it would be a problem.
Wtf are you talking about?No, you didn't. You asked people's opinion on how they'd react to a potential job candidates with long hair.
Advice implies you are asking people to suggest you take an action within the specific subset of facts that you're dealing with.
Look, the only "advice" that you want to hear is that people with long hair should be given privilege and preference to a job position because they are awesome free spirits who are clearly super talented. In that case, rock on with your flowing mane and anyone who doesn't give you a job is a close-minded fascist.
Like, try to get through that gem and then tell me again that I've got no business challenging this guy's communicative skills.
Thats what im leaning toward. If I grow it back but im good at the job it wont matter.There really isn't any positive to having long hair for almost any job.
some employers would be bothered by it, so why not just cut your mane so you're sure it's not an issue. Why roll the dice.
Tbis is good advice, too.There really isn't any positive to having long hair for almost any job.
some employers would be bothered by it, so why not just cut your mane so you're sure it's not an issue. Why roll the dice.
I have no idea what these guys are talking about either. Idk why zow had to turn the discussion in to an arguement. I was trying to be civil.Wtf are you talking about?No, you didn't. You asked people's opinion on how they'd react to a potential job candidates with long hair.
Advice implies you are asking people to suggest you take an action within the specific subset of facts that you're dealing with.
Look, the only "advice" that you want to hear is that people with long hair should be given privilege and preference to a job position because they are awesome free spirits who are clearly super talented. In that case, rock on with your flowing mane and anyone who doesn't give you a job is a close-minded fascist.
Like, try to get through that gem and then tell me again that I've got no business challenging this guy's communicative skills.
AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
Captain Liberal wont hire a long hair?AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
Again, I won't hire a guy with 1,538 posts since June 14th, and who has been banned under several other nics too.Captain Liberal wont hire a long hair?AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
This. He even rocks a pony tail.Guys still grow their hair long? Is this the 80s?
Dude, chill out.Captain Liberal wont hire a long hair?AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
Doesn't he want to drive a truck? You don't even need teeth for that. You have to be sober though. I think he is SOL there.Dude, chill out.Captain Liberal wont hire a long hair?AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
Just put your hair under your hat and go in to ask him why.
You arent familiar with the metal community I take itAnd im not even kidding. I havent seen a man with long hair in a really long time.
I would hire you but you would have to dress like a viking.Its been my experience that many people have a backwards and negative view of men with long hair.
Im contemplating cutting my hair to help with my job search. Would long hair affect your view of a potential candidate in any way? If so why?
I am a blue collar guy and I know its less of an issue than with white collar jobs but would still like input about both. I wouldnt be too happy about cutting my hair since its an homage to my viking ancestors and I dont think people should be judged by superficial things such as this.
I appreciate the input.
You really are an idiot and now you keep repeating stupidity. Go play your drums and get a life.Doesn't he want to drive a truck? You don't even need teeth for that. You have to be sober though. I think he is SOL there.Dude, chill out.Just put your hair under your hat and go in to ask him why.Captain Liberal wont hire a long hair?AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
If I eventually get a job at the HVAC supply house that I want ill be dropping off at the mechanics workshops, garages or job sites and they dont care who drops it offAre you going to be the company's contact with customers?(delivery where the customer signs)
or are you simply hook and drop?
Even on casual friday?I would hire you but you would have to dress like a viking.Its been my experience that many people have a backwards and negative view of men with long hair.
Im contemplating cutting my hair to help with my job search. Would long hair affect your view of a potential candidate in any way? If so why?
I am a blue collar guy and I know its less of an issue than with white collar jobs but would still like input about both. I wouldnt be too happy about cutting my hair since its an homage to my viking ancestors and I dont think people should be judged by superficial things such as this.
I appreciate the input.
metal communityYou arent familiar with the metal community I take itAnd im not even kidding. I havent seen a man with long hair in a really long time.
You didnt know how to operate thr forklift or you didnt havr the certificate?When I first applied for a job many years ago I had hair down to almost my waist. I didn't get the job but it had nothing to do with my hair, it was because I couldn't operate a forklift. I got the second job I applied for and still have it. I would say it worked out very well for them.
This isnt 80's metal. Its death metal and black metal. No denim jackets or hairdpraymetal communityYou arent familiar with the metal community I take itAnd im not even kidding. I havent seen a man with long hair in a really long time.again this aint the ####in 80s
I still won't hire you, and it's worth at least 25 bucks an hour to start.You really are an idiot and now you keep repeating stupidity. Go play your drums and get a life.Doesn't he want to drive a truck? You don't even need teeth for that. You have to be sober though. I think he is SOL there.Dude, chill out.Just put your hair under your hat and go in to ask him why.Captain Liberal wont hire a long hair?AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
Look, you look like an upstanding young man. I think you'll do.Doesn't he want to drive a truck? You don't even need teeth for that. You have to be sober though. I think he is SOL there.Dude, chill out.Captain Liberal wont hire a long hair?AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
Just put your hair under your hat and go in to ask him why.
Good. See you laterI still won't hire you, and it's worth at least 25 bucks an hour to start.You really are an idiot and now you keep repeating stupidity. Go play your drums and get a life.Doesn't he want to drive a truck? You don't even need teeth for that. You have to be sober though. I think he is SOL there.Dude, chill out.Just put your hair under your hat and go in to ask him why.Captain Liberal wont hire a long hair?AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
ETA: and you don't even have to cut your hair too.
You didn't have to have a certificate or license back then I don't think. They just wanted someone with experience.You didnt know how to operate thr forklift or you didnt havr the certificate?When I first applied for a job many years ago I had hair down to almost my waist. I didn't get the job but it had nothing to do with my hair, it was because I couldn't operate a forklift. I got the second job I applied for and still have it. I would say it worked out very well for them.
We call them neck downs too.Good. See you laterI still won't hire you, and it's worth at least 25 bucks an hour to start.You really are an idiot and now you keep repeating stupidity. Go play your drums and get a life.Doesn't he want to drive a truck? You don't even need teeth for that. You have to be sober though. I think he is SOL there.Dude, chill out.Just put your hair under your hat and go in to ask him why.Captain Liberal wont hire a long hair?AwfulI'd never hire long haired freaky people. They need not apply.
ETA: and you don't even have to cut your hair too.
oh, I was talking about me. Been keeping my eyes open and need to decide whether to trim the beard and cut my hair before I interview or not. I'm still way above my shoulders though.Below? Yeah, that's long.12 inches. Just below my shouldersDefine, long.
Some people even think s few inches is longoh, I was talking about me. Been keeping my eyes open and need to decide whether to trim the beard and cut my hair before I interview or not. I'm still way above my shoulders though.Below? Yeah, that's long.12 inches. Just below my shouldersDefine, long.
Somehow I doubt MCGM's long hair is in the same category as your lustrous, flowing locks.I've had long hair in a professional, customer facing job.Given the job I doubt it would matter as long as you looked neat and clean. In a professional, customer facing job? Yeah it would be a problem.
It was never an issue. But I'm also in a creative field where expectations from employers and clients are different. I don't see any bankers or finance guys with long hair.
Truck driver? I don't see how it's going to be an issue... unless that employer doesn't want it.
thats why I'm watching. Although if I'm not going to get hired because my hair is a few inches long that doesn't sound like a place I want to work anyway,Some people even think s few inches is longoh, I was talking about me. Been keeping my eyes open and need to decide whether to trim the beard and cut my hair before I interview or not. I'm still way above my shoulders though.Below? Yeah, that's long.12 inches. Just below my shouldersDefine, long.
That's why it sucks.This isnt 80's metal. Its death metal and black metal. No denim jackets or hairdpraymetal communityYou arent familiar with the metal community I take itAnd im not even kidding. I havent seen a man with long hair in a really long time.again this aint the ####in 80s