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WR A.J. Brown, PHI (3 Viewers)

TVT 0 N S T A said:
Talent-wise you think Matt Ryan is worse than Ryan Tannehill?  Tannehill looks like #### without Arthur Smith and Matt Ryan doesn't have an offensive line.  Statistically, Ryan Tannehill can't hold Matt Ryan's jockstrap and I am not even a Matt Ryan fan.  If you are in win now mode - you should uhhh... - win now.  

Ryan Tannehill ain't it. 
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Wait, who won last night against a stud Bills team? Who has been playing without his top two WRs?

Am I being gaslit?

 
Scooby1974 said:
Wait, who won last night against a stud Bills team? Who has been playing without his top two WRs?

Am I being gaslit?
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Gaslit?  Jesus bud, it's a football forum.  To answer your question - Derrick Henry won.

Without his 2 WR's - are you referring to a Jets game?  I'm not even going to entertain the who's better Matt Ryan or Ryan Tannehill bit.  

Ask yourself - what stats would you prefer?
 

Completions     128        141

Attempts           202        204

Percentage      63.4       69.1

Yards               1,467     1,332

Yds/Att               7.3          6.5

TD                          6            10

INT                         4              3

Sacked                20              8

Matt Ryan has no offensive line (hence yards/attempt) and Calvin Ridley missed a game.  Somehow, Ryan still manages to take less sacks.  You guys do you... all good either way.  I think the offense is flat.  Ryan threw 1 pick and could have thrown a second if the DB turned around on that off-the-helmet Julio catch.  

 
Is there seriously an argument that Matt Ryan is better right now than Ryan Tannehill? Maybe in 2016 that was true, but Tannehill has been arguably the most efficient QB in the NFL over the last 3 years. He's the most important player on this team, yes, more than Henry. Henry helps sure, but just look at what it was like with Mariota before Tannehill. As the QB play has gone up, so has Henry. 

If you were arguing you'd rather have Matt Ryan as a fantasy QB(Which it didn't seem like) then fine, I'm not sure I'd agree, but the case is there at least. But NFL wise, Tannehill has been elite since he took in Tennessee. 

 
TVT 0 N S T A said:
Gaslit?  Jesus bud, it's a football forum.  To answer your question - Derrick Henry won.

Without his 2 WR's - are you referring to a Jets game?  I'm not even going to entertain the who's better Matt Ryan or Ryan Tannehill bit.  

Ask yourself - what stats would you prefer?
 

Completions     128        141

Attempts           202        204

Percentage      63.4       69.1

Yards               1,467     1,332

Yds/Att               7.3          6.5

TD                          6            10

INT                         4              3

Sacked                20              8

Matt Ryan has no offensive line (hence yards/attempt) and Calvin Ridley missed a game.  Somehow, Ryan still manages to take less sacks.  You guys do you... all good either way.  I think the offense is flat.  Ryan threw 1 pick and could have thrown a second if the DB turned around on that off-the-helmet Julio catch.  
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Gaslighting was just a joke, although you are making my head hurt a bit with the overreaction.

Brown and Jones have both missed time due to injury, Brown heading into the season after double knee surgery and starting off slow. A new OC is a huge adjustment too. Of course Henry is an absolute monster and is carrying the team. Ten better figure this O out before they wear the King down.

I honestly wouldn't want to trade for Ryan even though he is slightly better now. Tanny has looked just as good if not better in that Tenn O the last couple of years. A trade would be a expensive lateral move.

 
travdogg said:
Is there seriously an argument that Matt Ryan is better right now than Ryan Tannehill? Maybe in 2016 that was true, but Tannehill has been arguably the most efficient QB in the NFL over the last 3 years. He's the most important player on this team, yes, more than Henry. Henry helps sure, but just look at what it was like with Mariota before Tannehill. As the QB play has gone up, so has Henry. 

If you were arguing you'd rather have Matt Ryan as a fantasy QB(Which it didn't seem like) then fine, I'm not sure I'd agree, but the case is there at least. But NFL wise, Tannehill has been elite since he took in Tennessee. 
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Yeah travdogg summed it very well.  The Titans wouldn't entertain a Ryan for Tannehill even swap for a second.

 
travdogg said:
Is there seriously an argument that Matt Ryan is better right now than Ryan Tannehill? Maybe in 2016 that was true, but Tannehill has been arguably the most efficient QB in the NFL over the last 3 years. He's the most important player on this team, yes, more than Henry. Henry helps sure, but just look at what it was like with Mariota before Tannehill. As the QB play has gone up, so has Henry. 

If you were arguing you'd rather have Matt Ryan as a fantasy QB(Which it didn't seem like) then fine, I'm not sure I'd agree, but the case is there at least. But NFL wise, Tannehill has been elite since he took in Tennessee. 
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Tannehill most certainly has not gotten better this year, he is measurably and significantly worse, yet somehow, amazingly, Henry has.

Tannehill's completion %, TD%, Y/A, Y/C, QB Rating & QBR have all dropped for the third season in a row (season ain't over but the start is bad). How is that possible with Derrick Henry forcing defenses to keep 38 men in the box play-in-play-out?

Personally I am bullish on Tannehill because I believe with Henry gashing everyone, defenses will have to put all 53 in the box just to slow him down. The passing game has to open up...doesn't it?

But, ATM Tannehill has been bad. Unquestionably bad.

 
travdogg said:
Is there seriously an argument that Matt Ryan is better right now than Ryan Tannehill? Maybe in 2016 that was true, but Tannehill has been arguably the most efficient QB in the NFL over the last 3 years. He's the most important player on this team, yes, more than Henry. Henry helps sure, but just look at what it was like with Mariota before Tannehill. As the QB play has gone up, so has Henry. 

If you were arguing you'd rather have Matt Ryan as a fantasy QB(Which it didn't seem like) then fine, I'm not sure I'd agree, but the case is there at least. But NFL wise, Tannehill has been elite since he took in Tennessee. 
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Not saying I'd take Ryan, and bringing him in halfway through the year is a terrible idea, but look at Tannehill's numbers in the playoff games. He's been brutal.

 
Chaka said:
Tannehill most certainly has not gotten better this year, he is measurably and significantly worse, yet somehow, amazingly, Henry has.

Tannehill's completion %, TD%, Y/A, Y/C, QB Rating & QBR have all dropped for the third season in a row (season ain't over but the start is bad). How is that possible with Derrick Henry forcing defenses to keep 38 men in the box play-in-play-out?

Personally I am bullish on Tannehill because I believe with Henry gashing everyone, defenses will have to put all 53 in the box just to slow him down. The passing game has to open up...doesn't it?

But, ATM Tannehill has been bad. Unquestionably bad.
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Tannehill was the best passer in the NFL in 2019, of course he was going to come down from that. He was the 5th highest rated passer in history that season. Only Rodgers(twice), Manning, and 2013 Nick Foles were better. He was top-5 in the NFL in 2020. 

In 2021, he's had arguably the worst receiving group in the NFL. He's still been ok with that in my opinion, and its obvious going to be better with AJ Brown, and hopefully Julio Jones. He's also had some bad luck with playcalling, that Henry has benefitted from. 

I would also disagree that Henry is playing better than ever. He's being used more often than ever would be more accurate to me. 

voiceofunreason said:
Not saying I'd take Ryan, and bringing him in halfway through the year is a terrible idea, but look at Tannehill's numbers in the playoff games. He's been brutal.
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He was solid in the 2019 playoffs, where he made a couple big plays off PA and mostly gave it to Henry, they just couldn't stop KC's offense in the AFC title game.

He was mediocre against the Ravens last year, but was far from brutal. 

Anyway, my overall point is, I think Tannehill is a more than good enough QB to support AJ Brown. 

 
Scooby1974 said:
I honestly wouldn't want to trade for Ryan even though he is slightly better now. Tanny has looked just as good if not better in that Tenn O the last couple of years. A trade would be a expensive lateral move.
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Matt Ryan might have been a bad usage of player, but I do think they could benefit from getting someone better in there.  I realize people love Tannehill, what a wonderful story... but seriously.  He has been awful and I don't think people should make excuses for him because Brown missed a game.  He has frequently missed targets and he has everyone in the box.  Would Matt Ryan be an upgrade?  I am not sure why people think he wouldn't be.  

Matt Ryan hasn't had a running game like this in ages.  He is just more accurate than Tannehill.  I realize it will never happen and we are just debating to debate, but Tannehill is the missing link.  Everyone saying he is the MVP of the Titans - I agree.  He goes as the team goes, but he is seriously missing something this year.  I know I am not the only one who sees it. 

 
voiceofunreason said:
Not saying I'd take Ryan, and bringing him in halfway through the year is a terrible idea, but look at Tannehill's numbers in the playoff games. He's been brutal.
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He has been brutal this year and has completely diminished both Brown and Julio's value... 

I don't think Matt Ryan is the answer, but I was merely shedding light on how overrated Tannehill became after one good year.  Love the story - just, guy has to play better. 

 
AJ Brown might have held the jersey but he put his guy on the ground springing Derrick Henry for 76yds and a TD last night. I watched it a few times on the replay today. It doesn't show in the box, it doesn't help Brown rack more FF points in most leagues but I'm sure the coaches saw it. 

 
Ministry of Pain said:
AJ Brown might have held the jersey but he put his guy on the ground springing Derrick Henry for 76yds and a TD last night. I watched it a few times on the replay today. It doesn't show in the box, it doesn't help Brown rack more FF points in most leagues but I'm sure the coaches saw it. 
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The dude can probably wind up playing TE at some point when he's older and lost a step. He looks like a monster out there.

 
voiceofunreason said:
Not saying I'd take Ryan, and bringing him in halfway through the year is a terrible idea
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Agreed.  Maybe Matt Ryan could be servicable when everything else is around him, but he looks almost done to me.  His numbers passing over 15 yards downfield are among the very worst in the entire NFL.

Too much of the Tannehill talk seems based on a small sample, one where the passing vs rushing TDs have been heavily skewed.  Regression will hit and then his numbers will look better.  As will AJ Brown.

 
What luck? Buffalo after w eek from injury and a solid outing, Tennessee will have to score a ton of points to stay with Buffalo, 100+ yds a score, you can start projecting it. 

 
A.J. Brown posted on Twitter Thursday that he's still dealing with digestive issues due to food poisoning last week. 

“My body is rejecting any food I eat,” Brown said on Twitter. “This s••• ain’t no joke.” Brown, who swore off fast food after he nearly missed the Titans' Week 6 game against Buffalo with food poisoning, didn't practice on Wednesday or Thursday ahead of the team's Week 7 matchup against Kansas City. A limited practice for Brown on Friday would put him on track to play Sunday against the Chiefs -- a fantastic matchup against a burnable KC secondary. 

SOURCE: SI.com 

Oct 22, 2021, 9:17 AM ET
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AJB usually is a steady 7-9 target guy, don't think that role is changing this year, but it may be forced to change if KC makes this a track meet (possibly)

 
TampaMike19 said:
AJB usually is a steady 7-9 target guy, don't think that role is changing this year, but it may be forced to change if KC makes this a track meet (possibly)
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The guy needs to get on the field first.

Sounds like whatever stomach bug he has is bad.

 
A.J. Brown (food poisoning) said he'll be fine to play in Week 7 against the Chiefs.

Brown told reporters that he's on a bland diet, and is now holding down food. He also indicated that he'll be monitoring his fluid intake heading into Sunday and will get an IV if necessary. Brown battling food poisoning is far from ideal, but it sounds like he should be at or near full speed against the Chiefs in Week 7. Brown has elite upside in this matchup, in a game that could turn into a true shootout.

SOURCE: Paul Kuharsky on Twitter

Oct 22, 2021, 1:56 PM ET
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hope im wrong, but expecting little use in the 2nd half...always goes that way, regardless of player.  they are up big, so need is going down

 
A.J. Brown caught 8-of-9 targets for 133 yards and one touchdown in the Titans' Week 7 win over the Chiefs.

Looking as healthy as he has all season, Brown went over the 100-yard mark in the first half, hauling in an acrobatic 46-yard catch and then twisting around for a 24-yard touchdown. Brown's nine targets easily led the Titans, seeing five more looks than Julio Jones. Over the hamstring issue and his stomach bug, Brown looks poised for a big final 10 weeks. Brown draws the Colts in Week 8.

Oct 24, 2021, 4:10 PM ET
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I still cannot believe someone in my 12 team redraft dropped him after week 5. I mean I get sending him to the bench but dropping altogether?

Luckiest moment of my season was that I was scanning my WW the second he did that.

 
Chaka said:
I still cannot believe someone in my 12 team redraft dropped him after week 5. I mean I get sending him to the bench but dropping altogether?

Luckiest moment of my season was that I was scanning my WW the second he did that.
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WW pick up of the season award goes to 

CHAKA 🏆

 
Part of the reason the Titans passing attack works is because defenses are forced to pay so much attention to Derrick Henry.  With his potential season ending injury I'm lowering my expectations for AJ Brown rest of season.  He's a beast, but that's a huge blow to the entire Titans offensive efficiency.  Brown's still a weekly start, but those boom weeks don't seem as likely.

 
trader jake said:
Part of the reason the Titans passing attack works is because defenses are forced to pay so much attention to Derrick Henry.  With his potential season ending injury I'm lowering my expectations for AJ Brown rest of season.  He's a beast, but that's a huge blow to the entire Titans offensive efficiency.  Brown's still a weekly start, but those boom weeks don't seem as likely.
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On the flipside the one thing that's always prevented AJB from being a true top 3 scoring fantasy WR is the low passing volume of that offense.  I think he is good enough to succeed in a less efficient "target monster" role as well.

I think this seems to work best for most fantasy WRs.  With such a good running game it's too easy for the games to get away from AJB (from a fantasy standpoint) when the run game is working a little TOO well.

 
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FreeBaGeL said:
On the flipside the one thing that's always prevented AJB from being a true top 3 scoring fantasy WR is the low passing volume of that offense.  I think he is good enough to succeed in a less efficient "target monster" role as well.

I think this seems to work best for most fantasy WRs.  With such a good running game it's to easy for the games to get away from AJB (from a fantasy standpoint) when the run game is working a little TOO well.
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Maybe.  With the big divisional lead, the Titans have more time than any other team to play the long game and get their offense in gear for the playoffs.  I just wonder how bumpy that ride will be between now and then.  Defenses will now be keying on AJ Brown...we will see.

 
Browns really effective on crossing routes which is a great counter to double teams.  I think/hope we will be looking at an increase in production.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
On the flipside the one thing that's always prevented AJB from being a true top 3 scoring fantasy WR is the low passing volume of that offense.  I think he is good enough to succeed in a less efficient "target monster" role as well.

I think this seems to work best for most fantasy WRs.  With such a good running game it's too easy for the games to get away from AJB (from a fantasy standpoint) when the run game is working a little TOO well.
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This.  Agree 100%. 

 
Chaka said:
He passes the eyeball test and the production test so far. Not sure what the argument is against.

It's going to be a tougher road for sure but I think he's up for the task.
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Agreed.  Can’t ask much more of a WR in their first 2 1/2 seasons.  

 
FreeBaGeL said:
On the flipside the one thing that's always prevented AJB from being a true top 3 scoring fantasy WR is the low passing volume of that offense.  I think he is good enough to succeed in a less efficient "target monster" role as well.

I think this seems to work best for most fantasy WRs.  With such a good running game it's too easy for the games to get away from AJB (from a fantasy standpoint) when the run game is working a little TOO well.
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So basically, Henry not being in poses some downside to the offense because AJ becomes the player defenses key on but AJ gains opportunities because the game plan may be more centered around giving their best players like AJ opportunity.

So in the end, there are pros and cons and we don't know how it will shake out until we see the new team in action. Don't panic and sell, but don't think he's a clear shot at top 3 elite production either. Just a hold and wait and see.

 
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I made it a point to have both AJ Brown and DK Metcalf on my team ,the results this weekend confirms it was a great goal to have ...let the good times roll

 
tigerz said:
So basically, Henry not being in poses some downside to the offense because AJ becomes the player defenses key on but AJ gains opportunities because the game plan may be more centered around giving their best players like AJ opportunity.

So in the end, there are pros and cons and we don't know how it will shake out until we see the new team in action. Don't panic and sell, but don't think he's a clear shot at top 3 elite production either. Just a hold and wait and see.
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Very few WRs are in the conversation for season long top 3 elite production.

With the caveat that guys like Thielen, Deebo, Lamb, Diggs and Amari had a bye, AJ has been the #2 WR in my league over the past 3 weeks.

That all changes with the loss of Henry but I think it is fair to say that AJ should at least be on the fringes of the conversation.

 
https://247sports.com/Article/Tennessee-Titans-WR-AJ-Brown-questionable-against-Los-Angeles-Rams-due-to-knee-injury--174581556/

Questionable tag shows up Friday afternoon on AJ Brown. He's been getting the Q tag usually earlier in the week then healthy towards the end of the week. Perhaps a bit concerning this time as he did have procedures down on I believe both of his knees. Perhaps he tweaked his knee in practice idk? The current questionable tag is knee. Probably monitoring his usage and soreness. It's a SNF game therefore slim pickins if he did miss the game. Most likely he plays and plays well. Titans will muster as much resolve as possible and likely playing from behind some. 

 
Team Smokin' said:
https://247sports.com/Article/Tennessee-Titans-WR-AJ-Brown-questionable-against-Los-Angeles-Rams-due-to-knee-injury--174581556/

Questionable tag shows up Friday afternoon on AJ Brown. He's been getting the Q tag usually earlier in the week then healthy towards the end of the week. Perhaps a bit concerning this time as he did have procedures down on I believe both of his knees. Perhaps he tweaked his knee in practice idk? The current questionable tag is knee. Probably monitoring his usage and soreness. It's a SNF game therefore slim pickins if he did miss the game. Most likely he plays and plays well. Titans will muster as much resolve as possible and likely playing from behind some. 
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I was planning on starting both him and Jefferson on Sunday night. But, now I'll probably leave Jefferson on my bench as a hedge.

 
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