The Frankman
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WR A.J. Brown, PHI (2 Viewers)
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RBM
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My last keeper spot where I own him will be between AJ Brown, Lockett, Dio and Unicorn. AJ is going to be a beast year 2. I'll probably go with him over Lockett.
Truebluey
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Zyphros
Footballguy
Probably moved up a round for every week since I said that haha, you’re probably right. But he’s still unnoticed by the masses of how good he’s been, and the threat of his starting QB under questions he might be an undervalued guy in drafts next year.
tombonneau
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Join the club. Still a defensible move. He's been boom or bust with that target share.JohnnyU said:What the hell was I thinking playing Snell over Brown? Looks like it's going to cost me.
JohnnyU
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Maybe, but think about this for minute. When your league draft took place would someone actually believe Snell should be played over Brown? I'm a Snell homer, but I was much higher on Brown and so was everyone else. Then when it counted the most (playoffs) I play Snell over Brown. I need my head examined
The Frankman
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Did the same, still a decent play. Brown had low volume and Snell a solid 4+ YPC in a game he'd probably get 15+ carries. Didn't count on the fumble and the inability to punch it in.JohnnyU said:What the hell was I thinking playing Snell over Brown? Looks like it's going to cost me.
If you're making decisions now based on the draft 3-4 months ago ... yeah.Maybe, but think about this for minute. When your league draft took place would someone actually believe Snell should be played over Brown? I'm a Snell homer, but I was much higher on Brown and so was everyone else. Then when it counted the most (playoffs) I play Snell over Brown. I need my head examined
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Wouldn't get too down on that decision. Basically depends on if you were the favorite or underdog. Favorite I would have leaned Snell. Underdog I would have gone Brown for upside. Bloom had Brown ranked higher than Snell in his rankings. Dodds had them ranked about even. Either way it was a tough call.JohnnyU said:What the hell was I thinking playing Snell over Brown? Looks like it's going to cost me.
East Coast Bias
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Re-signing Tannehill to be the starter is the plan. Reports are they are already working on it but won’t be done until the offseason.Brown is just so much fun to watch. Just a monster. I wonder, has Tannahill played his way into a contact extension and starter next year? As a Brown owner, coming into this season I was hoping for sure the Titans drafted a new QB...now, I'm not so sure I care.
Grain of salt in a developing WR and a developing offense.
Brown had zero targets when double-covered the last two games. All came against single (no near) coverage. Davis failed last two games to really take advantage, so Tajae saw his snaps go up. He and the rest came through pretty good in this one.
There will come a day that Tannehill has to hit Brown (and he get open) when he's got double-coverage but...not yet.
This is great as a Titans fan because first off, Tannehill is so much more mature and sooo "not doing what he did before." Arthur Smith is confident in his weapons and doing a good job reacting to get them involved. Blasingame looks like he's got same game- college runner, NFL FB. Tajae doing these one cut routes which is about all he can do but he's pretty good at those. Using Jonnu's speed, Firkser's getting a whole lot of attention for a guy that hasn't produced that much so he's using that. The Titans had 2RBs, 2 TEs, and a FB line up at WR last game. (The stage is setup so well for Davis if he would just come through) It's really perfect on so many levels.
They're not "win the Supe" good nor perfect. I think the Saints are going to show the world some chinks in their armor, but that's OK before the playoffs. I do think they can beat an injured Texans team- I don't know about twice, but certainly once.
Delanie was talking about Brown and double-coverage this summer and all he was teaching him. I remember he said how Brown had to NOT rely on his strength but his quickness then. You can see he isn't doing that yet. He's muscling up one guy while the other lies in wait. That won't work.
His issue in the draft was lack of deep speed and speed in general. The Titans fixed his take off right away and it was so obvious how explosive and how much better he did that. (Kudos to Rob Moore, why doesn't Davis listen to you and fix this too) On Sunday, he was so OMG fast off the line a few times so somehow he's getting even better at it. One guy I read indicated that the defenses are going to have to give him a cushion and the Titans are going to have to throw screens to him to counter that.
Double coverage factor would indicate less passes, screens would indicate more targets.
BTW Although I enjoy the Boldin and Boston comparisons, I wish Delanie got more action in San Fran when he was young. He swears Brown looks like him.
Brown had zero targets when double-covered the last two games. All came against single (no near) coverage. Davis failed last two games to really take advantage, so Tajae saw his snaps go up. He and the rest came through pretty good in this one.
There will come a day that Tannehill has to hit Brown (and he get open) when he's got double-coverage but...not yet.
This is great as a Titans fan because first off, Tannehill is so much more mature and sooo "not doing what he did before." Arthur Smith is confident in his weapons and doing a good job reacting to get them involved. Blasingame looks like he's got same game- college runner, NFL FB. Tajae doing these one cut routes which is about all he can do but he's pretty good at those. Using Jonnu's speed, Firkser's getting a whole lot of attention for a guy that hasn't produced that much so he's using that. The Titans had 2RBs, 2 TEs, and a FB line up at WR last game. (The stage is setup so well for Davis if he would just come through) It's really perfect on so many levels.
They're not "win the Supe" good nor perfect. I think the Saints are going to show the world some chinks in their armor, but that's OK before the playoffs. I do think they can beat an injured Texans team- I don't know about twice, but certainly once.
Delanie was talking about Brown and double-coverage this summer and all he was teaching him. I remember he said how Brown had to NOT rely on his strength but his quickness then. You can see he isn't doing that yet. He's muscling up one guy while the other lies in wait. That won't work.
His issue in the draft was lack of deep speed and speed in general. The Titans fixed his take off right away and it was so obvious how explosive and how much better he did that. (Kudos to Rob Moore, why doesn't Davis listen to you and fix this too) On Sunday, he was so OMG fast off the line a few times so somehow he's getting even better at it. One guy I read indicated that the defenses are going to have to give him a cushion and the Titans are going to have to throw screens to him to counter that.
Double coverage factor would indicate less passes, screens would indicate more targets.
BTW Although I enjoy the Boldin and Boston comparisons, I wish Delanie got more action in San Fran when he was young. He swears Brown looks like him.
dkp993
Footballguy
Honest question, what can be had at 1.02 that offers more upside AJ does?
I’m not sure I’ve been as excited about a year 2 guy as I am about AJ in a long time. With him, Chark and Gallup anchoring my WR core I can’t wait for next years draft.
dkp993
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Yeah I’m not sure anybody can pry him out of my cold dead hands. At least certainly from a single pick standpoint. The package would have to be super compelling.
lardonastick
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voiceofunreason
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Definitely not, and I’ll like him a lot, but that’s not realistic. I’d say closer to the 1.06.
DropKick
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Humphries being out and OBJ's groin made the call easy for me. I've been high on him since NFL draft time... Just hated the landing spot.
Team Smokin'
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I see my waiver claim of $2 was enough to get AJ Brown dropping Evans. Three others had bids in. FAAB Money is scarce now.
Hankmoody
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Wait, they are talking rookie picks - are you? I mean I can't imagine you're talking 1.06 in startup, but can you really prefer 5 unknown rookies to him?
matttyl
Footballguy
He may be talking about what you could expect to get right now. Without knowing exactly who's coming out and where they are going, you've got a lotto ticket. Plus, AJ Brown still has a change of an injury the next few weeks (God forbid). If you have a top 5 rookie pick right now in this supposed very good rookie draft, would you move it for Brown straight up? Today?
Regarding Brown’s value vs the top 2020 rookie picks I’m a little torn. I value him very highly but I wonder about a few things:
- is Tannehill his QB next year and if so can he maintain a proximate level of play?
- if not, who is the Titans QB going forward?
- Maybe most important, do we have reason to believe the target volume in this offense will increase? I could see “yes” based on him being the primary guy but what does the development of the offense look like going forward as far as pass/run balance (I’m actually asking as I don’t follow TN)
- is Tannehill his QB next year and if so can he maintain a proximate level of play?
- if not, who is the Titans QB going forward?
- Maybe most important, do we have reason to believe the target volume in this offense will increase? I could see “yes” based on him being the primary guy but what does the development of the offense look like going forward as far as pass/run balance (I’m actually asking as I don’t follow TN)
Apple Juice
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Back-up quarterbacks and rookie quarterbacks are putting up numbers at a high rate now. When it comes to young receivers, once I see talent AND production at the NFL level, I'm less concerned about situation than I used to be. Coaches and QBs change so quickly it's almost pointless to look beyond one season.
voiceofunreason
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Yes a rookie draft, just like the previous 10 posts above mine. But you already knew that.
This will probably be the most hyped rookie draft class in recent memory. I’d say Swift, Etienne, Taylor, and Jeudy are sure things to have more value then him in a month. I’d say Lamb is above him but it starts getting close there.
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Tannehill and Titans are negotiating for that to happenDAG said:
His 7 targets probably don't go up any. That's fairly regular for #1s
He has work to do in the short game. We're all loving his long catch and runs but he can certainly improve his craft like Fitz and Rice would say. If he does that, sure his targets could increase but I still think 8 seems like a reasonable number.
The Titans have had excellent success with Mariota to a TE and it's been spotty this year regardless of QB. It's been good, not excellent. (Blasingame has two good games in two weeks) Jonnu could come on as the season closes and then he would probably be a considerable increase type guy for 2020. If he has to keep playing FB (they have lined Blasingame at WR for matchups) then we won't see that preliminary boost we like before next year.
Humphries NOT catching all those slants from the slot is still a mystery. Again...if they close the season and this expected change happens, I'd project an increase for him in 2020.
The #2 WR doesn't have much of a role and won't have much of a role. Could be Davis. Could be a re-signed Tajae. Could be Raymond ...whatever.
Cameron Batson is a significant threat to Humphries' slot role. They really like that kid and that's like all he can do as a speedy lil bugger. The wildest (but oh so frustratingly true for Titans) thought I heard was what if they never planned on Humphries in the slot, but Batson.
Last week they played a lot of their HUGE offense and it's only been sprinkled in before. It was a camp staple, they finally went to it, and the D couldn't handle it. FB, RBs, TEs, and Brown making up 3 WRs often times on one side. Every single one is bigger than the CB covering them and ya can't predict it by who goes into the huddle. Watch this twist as the season wears on. If they fall in love with it, this is in Brown's favor too. Aside from a rare turn, I think the rest are catch N tackle guys while Brown could go the distance
for dynasty, you have to. You'll just drop him to pickup another WR with less potential than him
Hankmoody
Footballguy
4-5? In a flash. Top 2-3 gets murkier, especially with ROS risk still going. But if the season were over today I'd give 3 for him if I had to. #1 I would hold simply because I know come May it will be worth far more than it is now and Brown probably won't. So really only #2 would give me pause but gun to my head I hold it, as it's also likely at least one of those stud rookie RBs lands in a perfect spot, so that plus whatever RB KCC drafts makes it likely they are worth more. But I have seen too many combines and NFL drafts go sideways and all of a sudden 1.05 has a lot less shine on it. Looking back at last five drafts none of them I would have (on that draft day) preferred 1.05 over a current AJ Brown.matttyl said:
I know this draft is loaded but AJ was lots of peoples' #1 ranked WR last year (he was mine) but the situation stunk. That's cleared up and Davis has confirmed bum status - two very significant developments I would not have expected so quickly/resoundingly. I don't draft rookie WRs so I'd happily take a guy that's shown out on the field like AJ did over Lamb or Jeudy - and I am in lust with both as football players.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
It's the prototype "no but yes" situation we suffered with Devante Parker. No, not really, but as Bri said, who are you dropping him for at this point? Tim Patrick? What can you trade him for, a 3rd? He's a full-on hold until May.
Signed,
Bitter all-in Davis homer.
GoBirds
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Team Smokin'
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My goodness for several reasons. AJ Brown came onto the scene in week 4 @ ATL. There was a lot of chatter about who the best receivers whose last name was Brown at the time. AJ kind of fell to the back after weak weeks 5 & 6 and add Chark and Scary Terry and others into the mix. Lets face it, it's a little difficult to pull the trigger on rookies when we have seasoned players already on our bench. Hollywood got scooped up right away, others not so much. Chark latest another couple weeks before he got grabbed. I couldn't quite pull the trigger on D Chark, Jr. at the time. AJ sits on the FA all this time.
And finally in week 14 he just got fully noticed as a monster WR.
He plays on TEN. Not a big market team. They have a solid RB in Henry and that's the only TEN player anyone wanted to own. They lost their stud TE too. Enter the D/ST soon. Mariota was eventually exposed. In comes Tannehill. Well, he takes a few weeks before - WAIT A SECOND HERE - and keeps performing at an extremely high level of efficiency and production. WOW! Now Tannehill is a player being mentioned for DFS as he maintained great value.
Now here we are in week 15 and everyone is talking about Tannehill, D Henry as the best RB in the league, and AJ Brown to some extent.
Will the hype be too much for him / this team? Shall we temper our expectations? Are we witnessing a new stud WR #1 in the making?
Tennessee is 8-5 and very much in a dog fit (whoops) for the division with the Texans, who they play this week and gives up points. Vegas has this game TEN -3 / 51. It could turn more heavily passing if Watson and company throw some points on the board. On a neutral site this is a pick em game. TEN gets home field advantage. TEN 27 - HOU 24 is the betting line. Average 3 TD's each.
Most experts are telling us AJ Brown is around WR 20-24 in the rankings this week. He's a low end WR #2. You know, after losing Evans I'm thrilled to have grabbed him with a $2 FAAB bid and place him in the starting WR lineup. We shall see...
* If I didn't land AJ it would have been looking at guys like Slayton, Perriman, Miller, Beasley, Conley, T Williams, Beasley, Ward, or J Watson. I did manage to also pick up DeDe dropping Breida for another shot at potential flex spot. Crowder was passed on by all 12 teams last Th night. Another WR that took a lil while to trust his skill set, who is awesome and very much a stud WR is D Parker.
And finally in week 14 he just got fully noticed as a monster WR.
He plays on TEN. Not a big market team. They have a solid RB in Henry and that's the only TEN player anyone wanted to own. They lost their stud TE too. Enter the D/ST soon. Mariota was eventually exposed. In comes Tannehill. Well, he takes a few weeks before - WAIT A SECOND HERE - and keeps performing at an extremely high level of efficiency and production. WOW! Now Tannehill is a player being mentioned for DFS as he maintained great value.
Now here we are in week 15 and everyone is talking about Tannehill, D Henry as the best RB in the league, and AJ Brown to some extent.
Will the hype be too much for him / this team? Shall we temper our expectations? Are we witnessing a new stud WR #1 in the making?
Tennessee is 8-5 and very much in a dog fit (whoops) for the division with the Texans, who they play this week and gives up points. Vegas has this game TEN -3 / 51. It could turn more heavily passing if Watson and company throw some points on the board. On a neutral site this is a pick em game. TEN gets home field advantage. TEN 27 - HOU 24 is the betting line. Average 3 TD's each.
Most experts are telling us AJ Brown is around WR 20-24 in the rankings this week. He's a low end WR #2. You know, after losing Evans I'm thrilled to have grabbed him with a $2 FAAB bid and place him in the starting WR lineup. We shall see...
* If I didn't land AJ it would have been looking at guys like Slayton, Perriman, Miller, Beasley, Conley, T Williams, Beasley, Ward, or J Watson. I did manage to also pick up DeDe dropping Breida for another shot at potential flex spot. Crowder was passed on by all 12 teams last Th night. Another WR that took a lil while to trust his skill set, who is awesome and very much a stud WR is D Parker.
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tombonneau
Footballguy
I'm thrilled with him and happy to start in flex, but would not be chasing points with I had Kupp and Diggs ready to go. You can hold your head high if one of them is meh and AJ blows up, those are top wrs, but if Kupp and Goff have one of their mindmeld games on your bench and AJ gets 3 targets it'll be a long off-season.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
They’re all wildly inconsistent. I’d go with the guys who got me there, Kupp and Diggs.
picking 2 from:
Diggs, Gallup, Kupp, Brown
Its encouraging to see I'm not nuts but maddening to try and figure out which 2
Apple Juice
Footballguy
Starting AJB over Lockett, Metcalf and John Brown. It's because of the match-up more than anything else. Vegas expects a high-scoring game, just have to hope Brown get fed.
The Frankman
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Starting A.J. Brown in my 2nd Flex spot over Ian Thomas and Breshad Perriman. Kept saying if Tannehill is going to be for real he has to take a WR with him, and Brown looks to be the guy.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
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tombonneau
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Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Could be, but I already start Barkley. That's enough Giants for me to handle lol.
