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WR Antonio Brown, FA (6 Viewers)

SeniorVBDStudent said:
Oh ok.   If you and others are trying to say that AB should be suspended by the league for his detrimental behavior, you will get no argument from me, other than to point out that this is simply not how it has worked in prior situations.  Was LeVeon Bell suspended by the league?  Historically speaking, players acting like malcontents to get out of bad contracts / bad situations has NEVER been an enforceable action (see, for example, Randy Moss, who everyone acknowledges quit on the Raiders).  

Knowing this, some would like to create a new rule to prevent the destination team and the player from benefiting from such behavior.

I have no problem with that.

But recognize it for what it is...attempting to define a new rule and apply it to something that has already happened (or technically may happen at a contract signing tomorrow).
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It’s not a new rule. 

Players have been suspended for conduct unbecoming.

someone (like 40 pages ago) mentioned that the longest one meted out was 6 games, reduced to 4 on appeal.

this isn’t unprecedented. Antonio Brown has been a petulant child, and in a very public manner. He’s illegally recorded a conversation & disseminated them on social media, as well as posted the team notice of suspension. 

He missed practices, caused a ruckus over “helmet-gate” and generated a ton of negative publicity for the league surrounding one of their most sensitive issues, concussions & player safety. 

Even without the alleged threats or altercation, this is clearly conduct unbecoming. It warrants a suspension. It’s not a new rule.

and the precedent set by not suspending him is that any time a player isn’t happy with their situation, they can create a massive public headache for a team & force their release. 

That’s unacceptable. 

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Oh he denied it.  It was the next day in one of the blurbs from one of the talking heads who had been in contact with him.  Darlington maybe?

Anyway, by their actions, the Raiders demonstrated that they were willing to move on from whatever had taken place in AB's hissy fit (see, the plan is for AB to play on Sunday) so it will be difficult after the fact for them to support a commissioner-action of suspension, but given Goodell's sweeping and ambiguously constrained powers, I would think it he may take such action.  Kraft would freak out.  That would get real ugly real fast.  If I had to guess, the acrimony over the kangaroo court deflategate situation would be sufficient dis-incentive for Goodell to stay out of it.  But as we know, team owners can be petty and vindictive when they are getting their tails handed to them on a regular basis.
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There’s politics at play for sure.

but the flip side to that coin is having 100 Antonio Browns in the league all pulling nonsense like this on opening weekend. 

That would be chaos. The NFL would cease to function, and FF would be destroyed. 

Imagine drafting a team & having 1/3 of your players switch teams before opening Sunday.

hey, it worked out great for me - I’ve got Brady as my cheap QB2 in a superflex dynasty, and I got TyWilliams for $9/500. Suffice to say both of their situations improved as a result. So there’s no sour grapes here - I’m ecstatic. 

But from a league-wise standpoint this is a bad bad look. 

 
hispeedthinmint said:
What's this do to Harry's value?
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Hear that whistling sound? 

Thats Harry’s value falling at 100 mph. When it hits, imagine it forming a crater so deep it goes to the center of the earth. 

Go down the hole, climb alllllllll the way down, then dig another 30’

there you’ll find Harry’s value. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
It’s not a new rule. 
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So, despite the fact that LeVeon Bell and Randy Moss were not suspended, and Melvin Gordon has not been suspended, I will acknowledge for you that there were no allegations of any of them calling a GM cracker or posting "I'm valid as a person" millenial youtube videos, etc.  If your contention is that the yelling match and non-corroborated usage of said racial slur are sufficient justification for Roger Goodell to impose a suspension on a player who no longer even plays for the team in question, I won't engage in a debate on that point.  We have already seen Goodell's powers exercised in an arbitrary and capricious manner so I would not be shocked if that were to take place...moreso if either someone comes forward with video evidence of the allegation or a deposition regarding the allegation.  Do you think either of those will occur?  I'm not sure but I doubt it.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
So, despite the fact that LeVeon Bell and Randy Moss were not suspended, and Melvin Gordon has not been suspended, I will acknowledge for you that there were no allegations of any of them calling a GM cracker or posting "I'm valid as a person" millenial youtube videos, etc.  If your contention is that the yelling match and non-corroborated usage of said racial slur are sufficient justification for Roger Goodell to impose a suspension on a player who no longer even plays for the team in question, I won't engage in a debate on that point.  We have already seen Goodell's powers exercised in an arbitrary and capricious manner so I would not be shocked if that were to take place...moreso if either someone comes forward with video evidence of the allegation or a deposition regarding the allegation.  Do you think either of those will occur?  I'm not sure but I doubt it.
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I just spelled out several other issues having nothing to do with the allegations of an altercation/slur. 

Just the recorded convo & posted fine letter should be enough. 

It’s all conduct detrimental. 

Goodell has suspended people for less, and with less evidence. 

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
Oh ok.   If you and others are trying to say that AB should be suspended by the league for his detrimental behavior, you will get no argument from me, other than to point out that this is simply not how it has worked in prior situations.  Was LeVeon Bell suspended by the league?  Historically speaking, players acting like malcontents to get out of bad contracts / bad situations has NEVER been an enforceable action (see, for example, Randy Moss, who everyone acknowledges quit on the Raiders).  

Knowing this, some would like to create a new rule to prevent the destination team and the player from benefiting from such behavior.

I have no problem with that.

But recognize it for what it is...attempting to define a new rule and apply it to something that has already happened (or technically may happen at a contract signing tomorrow).
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Bell, moss, and Gordon combined have done nothing in comparison to what Brown and the Patriots just pulled off.  If you don't see that already, there is no point in this discussion.   I don't have the time to list what Brown has done in this last year.   

 
Brown needs to be suspended for his shenanigans irregardless. Then the league needs to invistigate the whole thing likely resulting in the Patriots forfeiting some up picks. The only people who don't suspect foul play here are Patriot fans.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Hear that whistling sound? 

Thats Harry’s value falling at 100 mph. When it hits, imagine it forming a crater so deep it goes to the center of the earth. 

Go down the hole, climb alllllllll the way down, then dig another 30’

there you’ll find Harry’s value. 
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In redraft yes, not sure yet in dynasty

 
What do I think of AB?

I think he has acted like a jerk and should not benefit from his actions.

Having said that, conduct detrimental can be the basis of invalidating contracts or it can be the basis of suspension.  The Raiders invalidated his contract.  The commissioner has broad powers to independently suspend said player.  It seems to me that he could justify such an enforcement either with corroborated information about usage of a racial slur or for usage of a recorded phone conversation without consent.  So will he attempt such enforcement, and will he get such corroboration?  I doubt it, but I could be wrong.

I remain convinced, however, that the cries for justice are louder because of the team that he is going to.  

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
What do I think of AB?

I think he has acted like a jerk and should not benefit from his actions.

Having said that, conduct detrimental can be the basis of invalidating contracts or it can be the basis of suspension.  The Raiders invalidated his contract.  The commissioner has broad powers to independently suspend said player.  It seems to me that he could justify such an enforcement either with corroborated information about usage of a racial slur or for usage of a recorded phone conversation without consent.  So will he attempt such enforcement, and will he get such corroboration?  I doubt it, but I could be wrong.

I remain convinced, however, that the cries for justice are louder because of the team that he is going to.  
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 Not for me. Like I said, it benefited me in 2 ways that he  left the Raiders & went to the patriots. 

 I am not a patriots hater in the slightest. Tom Brady grew up about five minutes from me and went to a high school less than a mile from my high school. 

 I think he’s one of the greatest stories in sports history, and I love the way he has played. 

 I’m not a fan of the patriots owner, but that’s more for his political support.  But that’s not a topic for this forum. 

 Purely from a football perspective, Antonio Brown being able to force his way off of ateam by acting like a total D bag is bad for the game of football. It’s really that simple. 

 
JohnnyU said:
Plus their history of cheating leads one to believe collusion is involved in this transaction. 
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Clearly.

It's not like spygate involved a practice performed by half the league until Roger sent out a "stop doing that" letter.

It's not like deflategate was a kangaroo court payback from vindictive second-rate owners (Aaron Rodgers likes his balls overinflated, but that's not relevant).

It's not like people are petty and blame their lack of success on others.  31 teams are pure as the driven snow, and their ownership and coaching are beyond reproach.

Clearly.

 
SeniorVBDStudent said:
I agree with you.

Having said that, suspension is a "stunt" to get "justice".  
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It would be comical if the commish suspended him for the year, or at least 8 games.   It's terrible for the NFL that a player can manipulate the system this way to get what he wants.  Not to mention what it has done to the Raiders.

 
Gruden must love this whole NFL Patriots arrangement... "tuck rule" screw job and now his cracker GM gifts Antonio Brown to BB.

 
Team Smokin' said:
I think AB's actions and behavior tell a story that he wanted out of Oakland. His antics are just part of the show leading up to his release. Who knows? Then, ya gotta question whether his agent was working behind the scenes with NE? Isn't that called tampering while a player is under contract? Anyone else talking about this? A signing, a deal, within 2 1/2 hours after his release sounds a little fishy to me.
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Did ya hear Rich Eisen on NFL Network this morning? Orchestrated? He used the concept how can this happen? Orchestrated. Makes sense to me.

He saw Oakland will not win enough.

 
I am curious ... first few games when Edelman gets 10 targets, Gordon 10, RB's 10 and poor ABrown gets 6 targets for 4 catches and 65 yards ....

is the ABrown of the Steelers/Raiders going to go berzerk again and freak out ?  I'd give it a decent chance..... ABrown is about ABrown, not about team, that much is clear

he will not get 1,000 yards this season IMO

 
Stealthycat said:
I am curious ... first few games when Edelman gets 10 targets, Gordon 10, RB's 10 and poor ABrown gets 6 targets for 4 catches and 65 yards ....

is the ABrown of the Steelers/Raiders going to go berzerk again and freak out ?  I'd give it a decent chance..... ABrown is about ABrown, not about team, that much is clear

he will not get 1,000 yards this season IMO
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A very real prospect. I just can't see a "Moss like" season happening for AB.

Will be interesting to see if a chronic malcontent can be content to just win a Super Bowl in a support role.

 
JohnnyU said:
Plus their history of cheating leads one to believe collusion is involved in this transaction. 
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Collusion?  Please explain.

On NFL Network, just after 9:00am today, Ian Rappaport said to the effect of "Once Brown was released, teams were immediately able to contact Brown/Brown's representatives in an effort to bring him to their teams."  He said it's a recent/new rule.  So the "you have to wait until 4:00" thing was refuted by Rappaport.

 
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Dizzy said:
A very real prospect. I just can't see a "Moss like" season happening for AB.

Will be interesting to see if a chronic malcontent can be content to just win a Super Bowl in a support role.
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Curious to see how AB fits in strictly in football terms. Is he just going to run down the field, get open and Brady is going to throw it at him like he did with Ben?

 
habsfan said:
Curious to see how AB fits in strictly in football terms. Is he just going to run down the field, get open and Brady is going to throw it at him like he did with Ben?
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Thats not Brady's game.

It's a real shame because Ben and Brown worked well together. 

 
Spike said:
Collusion?  Please explain.

On NFL Network, just after 9:00am today, Ian Rappaport said to the effect of "Once Brown was released, teams were immediately able to contact Brown/Brown's representatives in an effort to bring him to their teams."  He said it's a recent/new rule.  So the "you have to wait until 4:00" thing was refuted by Rappaport.
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Collusion in the sense that Brown and his agent was probably having secret conversations with the Patriots that Brown would do something so bad to get released and he would sign with the Patriots, a team he wanted Pittsburgh to trade him to.  It's just a tad too convenient how this all went down.

 
Mortenson reporting AB consulted with social media experts on how to expedite his release. 

They also reported there was a big market for his services after his release, and that Russel Wilson was lobbying hard to bring him to Seattle.

 
People really seem to get worked up over the dumbest things. Brown is a clown show but people seem to be more upset about him using “cracker” (which may not have even happened) than they were at Kareem Hunt or Tyreek Hill. I don’t remember much outrage over Hill not getting suspended.

 
habsfan said:
Curious to see how AB fits in strictly in football terms. Is he just going to run down the field, get open and Brady is going to throw it at him like he did with Ben?
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See that’s the thing - when this was first happening & KC was on the radar I thought “holy crap he’s gonna blow up”

because Mahomes has that Big Ben “avoid the sack, scramble around, make magic happen find AB open 20 yards downfield” thing going on.

That’s the antitheses of Brady’s “sit in the pocket, make quick reads, get the ball out” game. 

PA shots deep, sure,  but Brady isn’t going to buy AB any time downfield. If AB is covered, it’s next man up in the reads. 

I don’t see anything resembling a Moss-like season here. For one there’s a lot more receiving talent on this Pats team, for another Brady’s arm isn’t the same as it once was deep, and for yet another that’s not really been the Pats style the last few years. They run the ball a lot, they throw to white a lot. They run crossing routes & buttonhooks. They’re a short to mid-range nightmare to defend & it works for them. 

AB seems like a round peg for a square hole. He can do all those things, but he’ll be a cog in a machine, not the engine. 

 
Dr. Octopus said:
People really seem to get worked up over the dumbest things. Brown is a clown show but people seem to be more upset about him using “cracker” (which may not have even happened) than they were at Kareem Hunt or Tyreek Hill. I don’t remember much outrage over Hill not getting suspended.
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I recall significant outrage...as there should have been.

 
Spike said:
I recall significant outrage...as there should have been.
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There was at first but after months and then the ruling of no suspension there wasn’t much outrage.

Anyway I’m not trying to downplay what Brown did but it’s once again time to move on. Some in this thread seem almost as unhinged as Brown is/was.

 
Dr. Octopus said:
There was at first but after months and then the ruling of no suspension there wasn’t much outrage.

Anyway I’m not trying to downplay what Brown did but it’s once again time to move on. Some in this thread seem almost as unhinged as Brown is/was.
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I was outraged, right up until 2.05 when I had to make a pick & Hill was there, ripe for the picking. 

I’m still slightly outraged, but I’m also a shameless whore who likes to win at FF. :(  

 
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I'm not happy with how this all went down, or how it seems that AB's behavior was an act to get released by Oakland, regardless of what team he ended up with. I'm probably in the minority, but I'd be just as pissed if he signed with Seattle, or KC, or whomever. I agree that it's a terrible precedent and if it becomes a "normal" thing, it will definitely cause me to lose interest in the NFL. The Raiders really got unfairly screwed here. I have no "proof" that this is what happened, so I'm taking a wait and see approach. It's going to look awful fishy if he's all of a sudden a model teammate and not causing a ruckus though. Who knows, maybe he really has a screw loose and does something dumb and gets booted out of New England. Say what you want about the Pats, but I doubt they're going to tolerate too much, if anything at all from him.

 
Spike said:
I recall significant outrage...as there should have been.
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Apples to oranges.

Off field actions can only be considered conduct detrimental through the lens of judgemental condemnation. Brown's actions are directly detrimental to the product that is the NFL.

 
Man In The Box said:
I'm not happy with how this all went down, or how it seems that AB's behavior was an act to get released by Oakland, regardless of what team he ended up with. I'm probably in the minority, but I'd be just as pissed if he signed with Seattle, or KC, or whomever. I agree that it's a terrible precedent and if it becomes a "normal" thing, it will definitely cause me to lose interest in the NFL. The Raiders really got unfairly screwed here. I have no "proof" that this is what happened, so I'm taking a wait and see approach. It's going to look awful fishy if he's all of a sudden a model teammate and not causing a ruckus though. Who knows, maybe he really has a screw loose and does something dumb and gets booted out of New England. Say what you want about the Pats, but I doubt they're going to tolerate too much, if anything at all from him.
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Brown will be as model citizen now that the work is done.  I guarantee it.

 
ESPN's Chris Mortensen reports Antonio Brown sought advice from social media consultants to "accelerate" his release from the Raiders.

That would explain some of Brown's more outlandish maneuvers in the past week, including an Instagram story criticizing the Raiders for fining him (which later led to a heated confrontation with GM Mike Mayock) and a YouTube clip leaking a recorded (presumably private) conversation with coach Jon Gruden. Brown's acts of self-sabotage worked exactly as intended, drawing the Raiders' ire and eventually freeing him to align with Tom Brady and Bill Belichick in New England. The Patriots offered a first-rounder for Brown earlier this offseason but the Steelers weren't keen to trade him to a conference rival. Turns out, he found his way to Foxboro anyway. The Evil Empire strikes again.
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This dude is a straight ho.

 
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jm192 said:
Mortenson reporting AB consulted with social media experts on how to expedite his release. 

They also reported there was a big market for his services after his release, and that Russel Wilson was lobbying hard to bring him to Seattle.
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As a Brown owner in fantasy, I would have loved him in Seattle. That was the best case scenario I think.

 
If he did this to get out of Oakland I'm not sure why he agreed to the extension in the first place. That's why the Buffalo deal fell through because he refused to negotiate with them. Why not just keep doing that until Pitt is forced to trade him to a contender (although I doubt they would have traded him to New England).

Honestly I think he's a nutbag, but I just can't get worked up about it. I hate the Pats with the passion of a 1,000 suns but they were likely going to be AFC champs with or without Brown - at least he gave us some late pre-season entertainment. Maybe he'll finally be the iceberg that sinks the Pats dynasty.

 
I'm curious as to how Brady is going to bark him down on the sidelines after AB starts chirping about not getting the ball.  He'll be quiet at first and play the role game but sooner or later he'll take to the twitter with shots at Brady or the OC.  

One reason he'll stay quiet at first is because this season he's playing for a contract extension.  He still wants his max money. But I don't think he'll stay quiet unless they feed him what he thinks is his share of targets. 

 
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