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I believe he is asserting that “allegations of rape” should not be career-ending events for people, and the silly accusation towards you is a ploy to increase the likelihood you agree with him, or set up his next “what if it happened to you” point.
Yeah, it’s a constant refrain in these discussions. Strangely, seems to have more punch with people than “do you think murder accusations should be a career killer” or “do you think embezzlement accusations should be a career killer.” Despite the fact that false accusation percentages of both appear to be higher.
I am not suggesting the Commissioner's Office will necessarily take any action toward AB. I am merely pointing out that the mere fact that this is a Civil accusation as opposed to criminal charges does not prohibit the League from taking action. Roger Goodell has great discretion in these matters.
Me thinks you need to update that filter... I believe he is attempting to repeat her allegations "jack on your back" and of course "slept in your bed" AS is to say I'm a Football Super Star Don't nobody wanna listen to any of that
Well, I for one would not want to lose my job, my livelihood and my reputation while fighting any false accusations, felony or otherwise. So I have some reservations about a system that would automatically take jobs from people for accusations before investigation, hearing, etc.
You said you don’t think rape accusations are a a career killer, but you hope you’re wrong. Seems like a weird stance to hope anyone who is accused of something like this receive a career death sentence, outcome of case notwithstanding (apparently, I’m extrapolating).
Allegedly once he had performed on her back She ended the working relationship and possibly any ties @ the year 2017 which is also when the woman allegedly initially inquired about AB making a large investment What if such is the case are we to believe... AB wants us to believe she dropped him because of no investment? Seems kinda odd to wanna be friendly after you believe you found a gold-digger of sorts
Sort of. But not really. Like, he could sue her for defamation and win $100 million, but he’ll never get it.
I thought allegations conveyed in court were shielded from defamation consideration.
I think if I were a woman who went to HR and told them that a guy in my office raped me, it would be a better idea to remove that person from the office than to not while investigating. And I think in that situation if it’s as likely that it did happen as didn’t - a truly credible accusation - that person should be let go. And public figures also should be back burnered for the same.
I completely disagree with this. You can't prove you didn't do something a year ago.
What’s to stop someone at your work from accusing you of breaking into her house? Do you think someone credibly accused of breaking into coworkers’ houses should be kept on? Not just accused, credibly so?
Sorry, I haven't been glued to the thread. Has AB been credibly accused of something?
Right. I guess that's my point. I can't prove I didn't break into my neighbor's house. My neighbor can't prove that I did. But if he's got a goody story...I should be in trouble?
As written, I disagree with your statement. I think the NFL by all means should use the commissioner's exempt list IF IT DEEMS the accusation credible.
Probably depends what is meant by credible. Assuming we could agree on that, I think we’d probably agree on things here.
Yeah, the system of public opinion and defamation of character is not a strong recourse for fighting false accusations.
What the heck is all this about?
In those videos did Ms. Taylor consent to having Brown ejaculate on her on the July 2017 date in question?
Once upon a time, a pretty young women that I worked with confided in me that someone in the office was sexually harassing her. Worse yet, one of my closet work friends, who was recently divorced, was identified as the guilty party. She seemed very credible and I had no reason to doubt her story.
Where did you get the misconception that she had no idea how she ended up back at his place? The filing clearly states that she drove her rental car there, with Brown and another person.
Yeah, this is why an investigation is a good idea, with the person on paid leave in the meantime. This person was ultimately not at all credible.
I'm going to piggyback on this, though I do fear we're going off-topic. When I was in college a guy I knew was accused of rape. People threw rocks through his dorm window, he was beat up at least twice, he was constantly harassed and dropped out of school, but word got back to people in his home town and his parents started getting harassed as well. Their lives became miserable very quickly, and they ended up moving the entire family to a different state to start over.
Which of the following constitutes AB's guilt:
AB's "raunchy posts" (I assume you mean the text messages in the accuser's filing) clearly do involve a confession of assault. He twice mentions jerking off on her back.
What’s the bright-line distinction here? Does “credibly” really mean anything concrete outside of legal matters?
I agree completely, however I am not sure how well AB is protected under the CBA and the Players’ Union.
In the texts contained in the filing, AB twice references ejaculating on her back. That constitutes assault, provided it was done without her consent (which seems clearly to be the case).
Also, lives can be ruined by sexual assault and rape. With no or minimal appreciable consequences suffered by a large number of perpetrators even when convicted. I put a thread in the PSF about that.foxco said:
I believe the CBA provides for the commissioner to place him on the exempt list, with pay, during and investigation and he can be suspended for a baseline six games if he’s committed sexual assault, more if there are mitigating circumstances.baymen said:
Seems that I may have sexually assaulted several dates / girlfriends / and my wife. Who knew?
It speaks to the claims made in the complaint that she and Brown “were not in a romantic relationship” and that they “had a brother and sister relationship.” If that turns out to be false, then other claims in the complaint can be on shaky ground as well. This is a legal argument, and a strong one.davearm said:
Yes and no. Our system is definitely messed up and often doesn't handle it well. I think this is especially true in certain areas like colleges/universities and when athletes/celebrities are involved.
That is a lot of extreme "what ifs" you're suggesting, but yes, if it takes 2-3 years to play out & the NFL decided to keep him on the exempt list, I'd have no problem with that decision.
None of us knows what happened. Hard to be cleared when there was no formal complaint filed, no investigation conducted, and no consideration for charges being filed.
