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WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (2 Viewers)
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Not quite seeing how that report leads to that conclusion. I mean, it would move the needle toward that conclusion. But I still don't personally have any idea whether he legitimately has a "mental health issue" or not.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, a writer suggesting he might be traded is a far cry from “he faked a mental health issue to force a trade” as some here have asserted as a possibility.
IMO the Falcons likes do not want to trade him.
Also why are there so many posts disappearing from this thread? I tried to quote Rally Monkey around a week ago, and I had to quote a post that quoted his post instead, because his post was nowhere to be found. Now that very post that I posted seems to be missing. Not to mention several more quotes since then that don't point to existing posts.
Hot Sauce Guy
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Sometimes members go off the rails & post wildly inflammatory things that can only lead to topics getting derailed. This may have been one of those times.
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greenmountaingoat
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The video had nothing on Ridley (in case folks click the link and watch the whole thing like I did 
). All Ridley content was in the written article.
"We love the young man," Blank said, via the team website. "He has had a great history in Atlanta. We'd love him to stay in Atlanta. Whether or not he wants to do that -- he may decide that he wants a fresh start someplace else. We don't know that. I don't know that. I don't have information to indicate that, but we'll see how that plays out.
"We've been totally supportive in every way that we can be, both emotionally and financially in working with him as well as his agent. We'll see, but I'm mostly concerned about him as a human being."
So absolutely zero new info on Ridley's situation. Not surprising.
WRT Matt Ryan, he dropped a "Best shape of his life" other than that handled the line of questioning about moving on pretty politically. Says he and Matt feel he could play as long as Brady did. He hyped up the sync between HC and QB, doesn't seem like there's a push to move on from him from how he answered questions.
It's so strange to have such a high profile athlete just go crickets for months. Hope he's doing OK.
). All Ridley content was in the written article. "We love the young man," Blank said, via the team website. "He has had a great history in Atlanta. We'd love him to stay in Atlanta. Whether or not he wants to do that -- he may decide that he wants a fresh start someplace else. We don't know that. I don't know that. I don't have information to indicate that, but we'll see how that plays out.
"We've been totally supportive in every way that we can be, both emotionally and financially in working with him as well as his agent. We'll see, but I'm mostly concerned about him as a human being."
So absolutely zero new info on Ridley's situation. Not surprising.
WRT Matt Ryan, he dropped a "Best shape of his life" other than that handled the line of questioning about moving on pretty politically. Says he and Matt feel he could play as long as Brady did. He hyped up the sync between HC and QB, doesn't seem like there's a push to move on from him from how he answered questions.
It's so strange to have such a high profile athlete just go crickets for months. Hope he's doing OK.
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Key item of note for me right now the reports from past few weeks he might like a fresh start combined with Blanks comments re-affirming this possibility.
This is just an indicator to me that Ridley is thinking of the best situation for him to continue to his career, if that was in any doubt. Understand he can have a setback, but already discussing what situation he thinks a return to play is best for me him is a good development to me.
This is just an indicator to me that Ridley is thinking of the best situation for him to continue to his career, if that was in any doubt. Understand he can have a setback, but already discussing what situation he thinks a return to play is best for me him is a good development to me.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I find it fascinating that rotoworld can speculate wildly that "Ridley may push for a trade" (they were on an island with that) and now comment, "it has been rumored that Ridley may be pushing for a trade".
Bro - you're the one who started that rumor! Just
They get on my last nerve sometimes.
On the subject of Ridley's return, I hope he does because he's a fun player. And I'd like to see him in ATL taking coverage off of Pitts, for purely selfish reasons.
Bro - you're the one who started that rumor! Just
They get on my last nerve sometimes.
On the subject of Ridley's return, I hope he does because he's a fun player. And I'd like to see him in ATL taking coverage off of Pitts, for purely selfish reasons.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I have him in one league (SF), would need at least a mid first. Player comp I’d be looking for a player like AJ Dillon, mclauren or Elijah Moore. I don’t know if anyone is giving those.
fwiw, I acquired him with AJ Dillon for Keenan Allen and amari cooper. Rebuild year, but that seems fairly reasonable today without KNOWING (but thinking) he’ll be back.
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-OZ-
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I don’t mind him staying in Atlanta but if he were to get dealt to a place like Jacksonville, He’d do very well.I find it fascinating that rotoworld can speculate wildly that "Ridley may push for a trade" (they were on an island with that) and now comment, "it has been rumored that Ridley may be pushing for a trade".
Bro - you're the one who started that rumor! Just
They get on my last nerve sometimes.
On the subject of Ridley's return, I hope he does because he's a fun player. And I'd like to see him in ATL taking coverage off of Pitts, for purely selfish reasons.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
That team is a constant punchline. I’m not sure how well he would do in that environment. I feel like he needs a team that’s already having success, and where he isn’t going to have to carry the offense.
Maybe Tennessee opposite ABJ.
Any team could use him. SF might not be a bad spot.
But yeah, the post you quoted - media wagging the dog. Ridley hasn’t said anything at all, yet Rotoworld/sportsline first alleging rumors, then citing their own rumors is not helpful.
-OZ-
Footballguy
I’d LOVE to see him in Nashville but their cap space is limited and they need to use it to resign Landry and Ben Jones. If they can find the space, sure.
i think pederson and Taylor will make the jaguars a decent franchise and place to play.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I just don't see him fetching a mid first in any format. Perhaps if he had never quit, but he did and could again. Too volatile to be giving up a first round pick IMO. Perhaps an early 2nd is his true value IF he plays in 2022.
Actually, you're not able to see posts that are deleted. We'll do our best to moderate the boards. How we do that won't work perfectly for everyone but we'll do our best to have a board that's focused on football.
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ghostguy123
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I find it absolutely fascinating that after this much time with this situation we really have no idea what is going on with Ridley. He could have been pushing for a trade pulling a Ben Simmons, or he could actually be sick and never be able to play again, and anywhere in between.........and we have zero clue.
-OZ-
Footballguy
You’re probably right. But unless you’re rebuilding would you trade him for Drake Landon or Jahan Dotson?
Blick
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Yes, I would. I'm much more willing to bet on Ridley playing again than I am Landon or Dotson becoming an every week starter. Assuming Ridley plays, I can't imagine that he wouldn't be in the WR2 conversation.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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I’m not sure why we’re still speculating about Ridley “pushing for a trade” vs “actually being sick”.
The man came out and said he was having a mental health crisis & was stepping away from football.
And that was the last he said. I’m taking him at his word. Nothing in his past indicates that he’d quit on his team & walk away from the game that is his livelihood dishonestly.
Why is is difficult for people to accept that dude needed a mental break & is struggling with something bigger than football?
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
If he was staging this just to push for a trade, that would have come out long ago. Disgruntled players don't make a habit of going silent.
I think the issue is that some just can't grasp how devastating a mental health crisis could be (many comments in here reflect that) so it's easier for them to make up reasons.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agreed. Unfortunately some dillweed at CBS/Rotowrong speculated about this, giving it new legs. And now they’ve referred to their own speculation as “according to rumors”, which is also unhelpful.
As you say, disgruntled players looking for a trade aren’t usually silent about it. I have zero doubt that Ridley stepped away because he was in crisis.
He still might get traded, but I don’t think it’ll be something he forced by faking a mental breakdown. I just don’t see the upside in doing that. It only hurts his value.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Does anything in his past indicate any mental health issues? If so, any indication of type/severity?
Point is, we know absolutely nothing about what to expect. He could easily never play again, or be a star the next 5 years. We have no idea, because we have absolutely no idea what is going on with him................again, I find that fascinating after this much time we know nothing
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Also, I'm not personally speculating anything. I dont have enough information to even try and speculate.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I think Ridley will return, and whether he's in Atlanta or a new team, he's going to be a low end WR1 or WR2 at worst in our hobby. While I know absolutely nothing about his "issues", if we assume depression is part of it, there are LOTS of reasons his counselor and support system might encourage him to continue to play (release of dopamine and serotonin from exercise so good for his mood and fighting depression) and you'd think a big part of his identity and self worth is around the fact that he is a 1% athlete who not only made it to the pro level but played at an all pro level. If I'm a betting man he comes back, probably with a new team, and resumes his career.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Given that it was bad enough to basically sit out an entire season, if I was a betting man, I would bet that he does indeed come back, but that these issues persist and probably force a very underwhelming and shortened NFL career from this point on.
We are talking about the NFL here. Not some random office job where tons of depressed people work every day. An issue like depression is likely debilitating for a professional athlete, especially when it comes to being a top performer. Same can likely be said for any mental health issue that causes someone to be out for that long, considering we dont even know what his issue is.
He may play a few more years, he may have some bright moments, but for me knowing absolutely nothing except he had to sit out most of a season, I bet on him never being anything special in FANTASY football again.
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ghostguy123
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Your response to me here is incredibly way off base. I have never had someone put words into my mouth so horribly. Ever. Wow.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Whether I was rebuilding or not I would trade him for London, but I'm unsure about Dotson.
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ghostguy123
Footballguy
My point is we know nothing.I quoted you. How is that putting words into your mouth?
this you?
might wanna simmer down with that righteous indignation there buddy.
Also, yeah, you put quite a bit of words in my mouth. Just stop replying to me. You were off on every part of your reply.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Why are you trying to explain to me that mental health issues are real issues? I am a behavioral health NURSE for F sake
What's gross is having your words twisted in such a ridiculous way.
What's gross is having your words twisted in such a ridiculous way.
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-OZ-
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I Agree with this, but my question was whether you would trade him for a lower first. I think you mean you wouldn’t.
Hot Sauce Guy
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JohnnyU
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Come on guys, just agree to disagree or something like that before the mods jump on you. This is why we can't have nice things.
If I thought it was that much of a gamble I'd not be saying I thought he was one of the best values going.
To be clear for his value I'm more concerned with where he plays then if he plays.
Hot Sauce Guy
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ghostguy123
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ghostguy123
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree to disagree. I was merely going off the words you posted about Ben Simmons.
If I misunderstood your intention there, my apologies. Let’s move on.
If I misunderstood your intention there, my apologies. Let’s move on.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
yes, and I am saying it’s a gamble. There’s risk there. Mental illness isn’t as predictable as a torn ACL. Maybe he gets better, maybe he doesn’t.
for me it’s about what I’m paying for the risk that he never plays again. You might get a bangin deal on a WR1-2 or you might be throwing players/picks into the wastebasket.
it’s a wide spectrum of outcomes.
Marvin Harrison talent level, put it all on display at end of 2020 season.
I think he's returning to play.
These things relative to his cost.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Well, what is his cost in trade? Where is he going in startups?
I cant exactly say he is super undervalued when I haven't seen any deals or startups to know his value
Just mixing and mashing different feedback to try and get a picture.
We have people here saying they'd not give up a mid first or even any first.
He's a 4th round redraft pick.
Hindery trade value chart has him as WR29.
Can't give you a direct answer, just seems based on what I can put together fantasy community feels he's riskier then I do and also likely not worth any perceived risk nearly as much as I feel he is.
Blick
Footballguy
Sorry, I missed the question. In my mind there is a line somewhere in the first round that I'd trade him. For the first few picks, sure. The last few picks, no. I think somewhere in 1.05 - 1.08 range is fair. I still don't think I'd let him go for one of those.
So direct answer, I'd need the 1.04 or higher.
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I haven’t seen any trades, but my calc has him worth almost exactly a 2022 1.06
I’d probably be willing to pay that to see what happens, mostly because I’m low on this draft class.
He’s also 27, and will be 28 in December, so that factors in as well.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Your calculator sucks because I don't know anyone that would trade the 1.06 for Ridley right now. Even if he's coming back in 2022, what's to say he won't quit again? His true value is in the early 2nd range IMO.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Certain type of mental health issues (i.e. bi-polar disorder) don’t start showing signs in boys until their early 20s - so he wouldn’t necessarily have to have a past.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
it’s just hard to predict what’s going to happen with him.
If I had a team that was a player away from a run at a ‘ship, i would probably deal a mid-2022 1st for him on the hopes that he comes back this year.
I might not deal a 2023 1st for him in that same circumstance.
