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WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (2 Viewers)
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habsfan
Footballguy
If you try to connect three "data points" here (stepping away for mental health reasons, contract situation and then trade rumours) you certainly could wonder if Ridley will suddenly feel better somewhere else. Hopefully there are more data points we don't know about and when those are factored in, the situation is different.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
-1st of all, awesome connector with Ben Simmons, I follow the NBA although not with the same thirst I had 5-10 years ago.
-MoP asked about therapy right away and was ridiculed for that as well, not you specifically but people acted like I drove one of the nails into the cross by asking what kind of therapy was Ridley entering back in October.
-I appreciate that you don't believe Ridley seeking a trade now had anything to do with what unfolded post-April 28th and a few weeks into the NFL season, maybe as early as Weeks 1-2, I heard he wasn't right from almost the start of the season.
-I appreciate you saying "I don't think" but obviously I have my doubts.
SHARK POOL...How come Ridley gets the benefit of the doubt but many will not believe Flores when he says Stephen Ross offered a $100k bounty? You're calling Ridley a liar if you doubt his mental illness, you're doing the same with Flores if you say there isn't any evidence...yeah so? You want to believe Ridley even without a full psych evaluation which is what i asked about early on and was met with fire and brimstone. We don't have real proof that Ridley had actual mental illness other than him saying he was mentally ill. What did the doctors find out if anything? We will never know but i bet the next team that potentially signs him is going to have a full evaluation in their hands to look over.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
All you have to do is read thru the thread, I even gathered up posts that were heavily supported from people There's not a post I bumped where I don't have respect for the poster and want to read with an open mind what they are saying, but the facts point to April 28th and then as early as Week 1 or Week 2 he was not playing at his normal high level and things started to spiral out of control from there for everyone including fans and media left to try and sort thru like we're doing today.
Nobody should be angry at me for wanting to get some solid answers after everything being shrouded in mystery. And i'm not going after individuals either, just showing how everyone gave their support for the most part to Ridley and I think some folks are starting to 2nd guess themselves and for good reasons.
And this I know Mass, you might not like me in this thread but when you do agree with me, you seem to not mind my bravado as much.
Cheers to you as well, nothing but good vibes your way.
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Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I'm going to use Vita Vea and Christian Wilkins, both starting DTs on the 2 teams I root for the most, both 1st round draft selections. Both taken almost identical spots 1 year apart.
-Vita Vea got a fat contract extension from the Bucs who I am almost sure exercised their 5th year option on Vea but obviously they had ongoing contract talks into the season and he gets what he wants, money and some long term stability.
-Christian Wilkins is due this off season since it's Year 4 of his rookie deal, likely going to get a contract on par with Vea or should be relatively close, not worlds apart...BUT what if Miami decides to exercise their 5th year option and do not press hard to extend Wilkins before 2022 kicks off?
Other players can use the path of mental illness or something in that spectrum to communicate they are not happy witht heir organization. Or they can act like Kyler Murray and just unfollow their employer on InstaTwit.
It's not all about Ridley, wait until this happens on your team with one of your star players.
-Vita Vea got a fat contract extension from the Bucs who I am almost sure exercised their 5th year option on Vea but obviously they had ongoing contract talks into the season and he gets what he wants, money and some long term stability.
-Christian Wilkins is due this off season since it's Year 4 of his rookie deal, likely going to get a contract on par with Vea or should be relatively close, not worlds apart...BUT what if Miami decides to exercise their 5th year option and do not press hard to extend Wilkins before 2022 kicks off?
Other players can use the path of mental illness or something in that spectrum to communicate they are not happy witht heir organization. Or they can act like Kyler Murray and just unfollow their employer on InstaTwit.
It's not all about Ridley, wait until this happens on your team with one of your star players.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I really didn’t do any of that. It’s all in writing. Anyway cheers to you as well.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
I believe you, and you're right it's just words.
-I'm salty today for some reason, maybe I need a couple tokes.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’m not defending anyone with “every ounce of my soul”."Victory Lap" ???
-i'm sorry, it's not a victory lap, it's been many months since news first broke about Ridley, conveniently after the Falcons exercised their 5th year option in April which means Ridley would not be getting huge signing bonus type money in 2022 and likely 2023, maybe not even in '24 if the franchise tag is used and he wanted something else. We have to explore that thought or arc IMHO at this point.
-We all sided with Ridley at the start but I haven't heard of progress or what was implemented to help him get better...I'm all ears, would love to read a news report about the great advances he discovered in the mental health community that he must have explored since he claimed he was having mental issues and could no longer honor his commitment to the Atlanta Falcons. We're not talking about a school kid who was bullied here.
-It's awesome that most of you have no personal connections to Ridley but are in here defending him with every ounce in your soul because you either have been impacted or know someone...out of respect for everyone I won't get into all the things I have been involved with over my lifetime but I have a Psychology degree, it's not that old either and it's infuriating to see people that IMO likely have never even taken a basic psychology class but are total experts on these metal illness issues when they teach you right upfront that Psychology is a very inexact science before you even crack the first book.
-So MoP is just amazed how many folks in here got the mental illness market cornered, fascinating truly.
Not mad at you HSG, not at all
-Cheers Bud
I just think it’s a crappy thing to accuse someone of “playing the mental health card” to force a trade, as if that makes any sense at all.
Because it really doesn’t. And the entire thing is baseless speculation. One sportswriter suggested this & Rotoworld ran with it. And it still doesn’t make sense.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I'm gonna just go right past the idea that Ridley faked a mental illness to try and get out of Atlanta, since that is obviously silly. But from an on field standpoint, I'm going to make the case the Ridley isn't all that great of a WR, and might best be utilized as a #2 WR.
Fact is, Ridley has never had a full season operating as his team's #1 WR. Even in 2020, Julio saw more coverage from opposing defenses when both were healthy. Ridley has always had a very accurate QB, and his career season came in a year where so much of his production came in garbage time, with a pass happy playcaller, which is an awesome fantasy combo for a WR.
Ridley progressed from year 1 to year 2, before exploding in an extremely favorable situation in year 3, and then this year happened, where he was far less effective(despite a career high target share) before taking his leave of absence. His career to date lines up extremely closely with Kenny Golladay's going into 2021.
Now, assuming Ridley stays in Atlanta(and plays in general) I doubt he'll be as ineffective as Golladay was this season, as Ryan>>Jones. But right now, I don't think we should be treating Ridley as some elite WR, just as we in retrospect shouldn't have been with Golladay.
I guess what I'm saying is, I like Ridley, but I don't think he's a top WR, and we have more reason to believe 2020 was the outlier with him, than to assume it should be the expectation.
Fact is, Ridley has never had a full season operating as his team's #1 WR. Even in 2020, Julio saw more coverage from opposing defenses when both were healthy. Ridley has always had a very accurate QB, and his career season came in a year where so much of his production came in garbage time, with a pass happy playcaller, which is an awesome fantasy combo for a WR.
Ridley progressed from year 1 to year 2, before exploding in an extremely favorable situation in year 3, and then this year happened, where he was far less effective(despite a career high target share) before taking his leave of absence. His career to date lines up extremely closely with Kenny Golladay's going into 2021.
Now, assuming Ridley stays in Atlanta(and plays in general) I doubt he'll be as ineffective as Golladay was this season, as Ryan>>Jones. But right now, I don't think we should be treating Ridley as some elite WR, just as we in retrospect shouldn't have been with Golladay.
I guess what I'm saying is, I like Ridley, but I don't think he's a top WR, and we have more reason to believe 2020 was the outlier with him, than to assume it should be the expectation.
The 8 games he had with no Julio prior to this year provided plenty of confirmation to me he's a true #1. Both statistically and to the eye test.
The outlier with him is likely the 5 games he was battling mental illness this season.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agreed - I’ve seen that narrative a lot. I had him in 2020 when he put up monster numbers with very little else at WR/TE & he was absolutely dominant.
I had him in 2020 as well. It was a far different offense with an aggressive downfield passing game, in a year where Matt Ryan lead the NFL in pass attempts, possibly due to a lot of garbage time, in addition to just being a pass first offense in general. Other than Ryan's presence, those things are gone now.
If Ridley is back next season for Atlanta, I'll probably have him around WR20-25 or so. I also think its entirely possible/likely that Ridley takes a backseat to Pitts next season.
-OZ-
Footballguy
We may never get “proof” of a mental illness. Frankly, we’re not entitled to it. Many of us don’t need that to believe him here. We have no reason to not believe him.
we’ll see what happens, anything is possible I suppose. But your posts here are at least premature and indicate you have an odd problem with him for whatever reason.
has he even demanded or requested a trade? Just three days ago Blank didn’t seem to know:
“We love the young man,” Blank told the team website. “He has had a great history in Atlanta. We’d love him to stay in Atlanta. Whether or not he wants to do that—he may decide that he wants a fresh start someplace else. We don’t know that. I don’t know that. I don’t have information to indicate that, but we’ll see how that plays out.”
It’s possible blank is playing dumb, but to what end really? The only thing I could find with Ridley indicating he wants a trade was him “liking” a tweet about someone wanting Miami to trade for him. Which then he removed. Fwiw, Him liking the idea of playing with Tua would be understandable.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
no.
Calvin Ridley hasn’t said a single word publicly since his press release for the reasons he is stepping away from football.
No one on the Falcons has said that he demanded anything, other than time away from the team to focus on his mental health.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
wgoldsph
Footballguy
Jesus Christ dude you could not be more tone deaf on the topic of mental illness if you //tried//. Ridley aside, you need to just stop.
DropKick
Footballguy
This situation could run the gamut from empathy toward a mental condition to scorn for abusing the same. While I'm still in the former camp, I could see my perspective shift depending on how/if this unfolds. Reports are that he hasn't contacted the team and, while not obligated to do so, it seems like the courteous thing to do.
What do we know as facts? I see trade speculation and rumors (Jets, Browns, etc.) and reports that the Falcons themselves might be ready to move on, which could be telling.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
There's a lot of mystery, the fact that he never reached back towards the team, Arthur Blank seems to be in the dark or not forthcoming, trade rumors that don't seem to be shot down or rebuked.
-You at least have to stop and ask questions and when you lay out how the finances work according to the NFLPA and the owners and it's just a coincidence that all of these things happened simultaneously to a potential superstar WR(if he were playing LG would as many people care?) and to my knowledge we have never seen this specific situation arise in the NFL so there's not that much to fall back on and use as a guide other than some of these outside markers.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Perhaps he doesn't want to play football anymore. It wouldn't be the first time a player quit early in his career for non-injury purposes.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Absolutely possible. He hasn’t said. Dunno. Time will tell. I’m sure we’ll find out at some point
FF-wise,. for redraft if down the road he says he’s back in, I’m in.
dickey moe
Fingerpicker
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
Perhaps we don’t know anything.
you’re right that it has happened multiple times in the past, and it wouldn’t be shocking. But it’s all guesswork and conjecture right now.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
foxco
Footballguy
I offered the 1.10 and was turned down. He countered with my Dionte Johnson and the 1.10 for Ridley and the 3.12 and I passed. I probably would have added something to the 1.10 but not a ton.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Interesting ... I am also a Ridley owner... I was offered the 1.12 and Will Fuller (rejected / no suitable counter).
Unless I get something exciting (Top 4 2022 or something nice in 2023) I plan to hold.
I paid what ended up being 1.05 + TJ Hock prior to the EU Game (Week 5) so I invested.... I was in rebuild so I am fine holding but I cannot wait too long since he recently turned 27 (Dec).
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Saw this today, FPC SF BB, Pro v Joe
Ridley for 1.7
Fwiw, Joe got Ridley, Pro sold him
If I had Ridley I would have done same
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I would’ve countered to make the pick a slightly higher 2023 & called it a good trade.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
that seems fair considering the nebulous situation.
i think it’s the other way around. You’re holding, hoping things clear up so you can get a top 4 2022, because short of getting clarity on his status, a top 4 pick seems like wishful thinking.
He's not going to retire.
This means nothing to me but for first time since he stopped playing he recently made some posts on social media. Just mention this because a Falcon beat writer said it was first anyone had heard from him.
I've tried to buy for 1.11 and 1.12 but have made a few other offers for him were he was part of a bigger package. So far I'm striking out. I only have two picks between 5-10, an 8 and a 9. I already have him on the team with pick 9. The team with pick 8 is one I've been trying to get him as part of bigger package, I might end up offering the 8 but if I can't reduce my roster with another trade will have to wait until I can expand rosters after cuts, of course at that point his value might have really changed.
Other then those picks I'd be offering a 3 or 4 and don't want to go that high yet. Not because I'm worried about his not playing but for that kind of price I need to know were he's playing. His age is such patience is short and to pay something like 3/4 I need to know he's in a position to be a difference making WR1 type and there are some places it's easy to envision him going that might be a struggle.In that case I'd rather hold those picks and go younger.
This means nothing to me but for first time since he stopped playing he recently made some posts on social media. Just mention this because a Falcon beat writer said it was first anyone had heard from him.
I've tried to buy for 1.11 and 1.12 but have made a few other offers for him were he was part of a bigger package. So far I'm striking out. I only have two picks between 5-10, an 8 and a 9. I already have him on the team with pick 9. The team with pick 8 is one I've been trying to get him as part of bigger package, I might end up offering the 8 but if I can't reduce my roster with another trade will have to wait until I can expand rosters after cuts, of course at that point his value might have really changed.
Other then those picks I'd be offering a 3 or 4 and don't want to go that high yet. Not because I'm worried about his not playing but for that kind of price I need to know were he's playing. His age is such patience is short and to pay something like 3/4 I need to know he's in a position to be a difference making WR1 type and there are some places it's easy to envision him going that might be a struggle.In that case I'd rather hold those picks and go younger.
If you're giving up Ridley for a 2023 pick that you believe to be in the top 3, you're basically saying that you don't think he plays at all this season. Otherwise that team gets Ridley and his production, and probably isn't a bottom 3 team.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
No, I’m saying if trading him, I like the 2023 draft more than the 2022 draft.
if I had Ridley I’d hold.
You said you want a pick in 2023 higher than the 2.04 in 2022. Ain't nobody giving up a 1st for him right now. I was working under the assumption you're asking for 2.01 - 2.03.
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babydemon90
Footballguy
I wouldn't be shocked to see Gainwell have a large role in Philly next year, so I dont know if I would have turned that one down.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Read my other posts. I also said no one was giving up a high first for him.
I don’t roster him. I was responding to others who were considering offering him for picks like that.
And I believe a 2023 1.6-7-8-9 pick will be more valuable than a 2022 1.3-4-5 pick.
But I also advised to hold until his situation has clarity to maximize value. Maybe that’s in the trade or value topic.
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I own Gainwell and I'm not seeing much reason for optimism but if you or anyone else feels that way then the thing to do is acquire Gainwell cheap, not give up someone caliber of Ridley.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Most of the sites I follow have Philly taking a RB in mocks. I like Gainwell, but I don’t think Philly sees him as a feature back.
wlwiles
Footballguy
I kicked off a semi-rebuild in a 12 tm dynasty last year by giving Lockett for Ridley straight up about a month after Ridley stepped away. My thinking at the time was "no way Ridley is going to hang it up, or else he'd have just said so then" and I still think (read: hope) that's the case. At worst, I think he's a consistent mid-WR2 if he returns, with WR1 upside.
If we haven't heard any significant updates by the time our rookie draft happens (Memorial Day weekend), I don't plan to actively shop him, but I'd be willing to take probably any 2023 first
If we haven't heard any significant updates by the time our rookie draft happens (Memorial Day weekend), I don't plan to actively shop him, but I'd be willing to take probably any 2023 first
If you haven’t heard anything by then, why do you think anyone would offer you a 2023 1st for him?
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wlwiles
Footballguy
Not saying I'd expect to be offered one, just that if I was that'd be enough for me to sell.
foxco
Footballguy
That really hurts. Gotta hold, hopefully he comes back strong!I’m a Ridley owner and gave up a king’s ransom for him right before he stepped away. I gave 3 firsts. One of the firsts I gave up ended up being the 1.01 this year
So I’m not trading him for anything at this point. I’ll hold and hope and pray.
kutta
Footballguy
Well, the good thing is that I had Kupp and Adams, and thought Ridley would be the piece to put me over the top. But I still won the championship this year, so it worked out.
The Sunk Cost FallacyI’m a Ridley owner and gave up a king’s ransom for him right before he stepped away. I gave 3 firsts. One of the firsts I gave up ended up being the 1.01 this year
So I’m not trading him for anything at this point. I’ll hold and hope and pray.
jm192
Footballguy
But this isn't poker where the cards are what they are.
Ridley can come back and be a good player.
I think dynasty FF is comparable to the stock market. If you buy 100,000$ of an S&P 500 index fund and it falls by half the next day--you don't sell because of the Sunk Cost fallacy and move on.
You hold it and hope it's value rises. Buy low and Sell high they say.
Same thing with FF players that underperform or fail to meet expectations--for whatever reason.
