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WR Calvin Ridley, TEN (1 Viewer)

Hot Sauce Guy said:
rockaction said:
This is where an approach somewhere between the old school and new schools to mental health issues serves one well. A lot of acceptance with a not-unfair dose of skepticism about guys that suddenly disappear and use social media weirdly as if in negotiation with their club. Betting on games? Hoo boy. Ridley set the mental health movement back about a few years with this one. 
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To be fair, and in all seriousness, addiction is a mental health issue.

Hard to see that through the “fog of war“ as it were, and it’s ironic as hell… But he legitimately does have a mental health issue and now we know what it is.

that it also involved incredibly poor decision-making may be another topic.
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My initial thought was he was already under investigation for the gambling, and that is why he was stepping away for "mental health reasons" = that was my "first blush."  If he legitimately bet on just a few games for that little money gambling addiction is probably not his A1 issue, but the fact he knowingly broke the NFL rule shows he does in fact have a problem, it is at least part of whatever his issues are.  "Is gambling interfering with your ability to do your job?" is a common question in self-testing for addiction.

 
rockaction said:
NFL statement says he bet on the Falcons but that in no way were the games compromised. 

I'll leave that for everybody else's comment. 
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As somebody who also had money on the Falcons at times last season, clearly Ridley didn't compromise the games in any way nor did he bet with some sort of inside scoop. 🤦‍♂️

Falcons were 6-10-1 against the spread in 2021. 

 
Been a great year for the ol' dynasty squad.  Had to outright drop Ruggs and now will likely have to do the same here.  Two former first round receivers, still on their rookie deals, whose dynasty value went to 0 in the blink of an eye.  Good times, good times.........

 
https://twitter.com/mikegarafolo/status/1500944588214870026?s=21

Mike Garafolo

@MikeGarafolo

From our breaking news coverage on

@nflnetwork

: The NFL made it clear they’d be able to work with their gambling partners to gather information on potential violations by players and team employees. That’s how Calvin Ridley was caught.

1:20 PM · Mar 7, 2022
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Oof, NFL has the betting sites acting as league cops. 

 
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JohnnyU said:
Could have been worse, I had 3 shares previously .  The suspension said "at least 1 year", meaning it could be forever.
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That's how suspensions work. For long-term or indefinite suspensions, players have to apply to get back into the league. They will investigate to see is you still have issues. They can slow roll you and just let the suspension continue, give you a list of things you need to work on before you get reinstated, or reinstate you right away if you were a choir boy and beacon to a community somewhere. That being said, from what I can remember, other incidents involving gambling only lasted a year (Art Schlichter, Alex Karras, and Paul Hornung).

 
Zow said:
As somebody who also had money on the Falcons at times last season, clearly Ridley didn't compromise the games in any way nor did he bet with some sort of inside scoop. 🤦‍♂️

Falcons were 6-10-1 against the spread in 2021. 
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Unless of course on the total wins over/under in the preseason. 💡 

 
Anarchy99 said:
That's how suspensions work. For long-term or indefinite suspensions, players have to apply to get back into the league. They will investigate to see is you still have issues. They can slow roll you and just let the suspension continue, give you a list of things you need to work on before you get reinstated, or reinstate you right away if you were a choir boy and beacon to a community somewhere. That being said, from what I can remember, other incidents involving gambling only lasted a year (Art Schlichter, Alex Karras, and Paul Hornung).
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Well, I just don't know how long it will be, but betting on football is more serious than most infractions.  Did he bet on the Falcons?  If yes, then it is MOST serious, whether he was playing or not.

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
You beat me to it by 16 seconds.
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I believe Pete bet on the Reds when he was the manager, thus the lifetime ban.  If Ridley bet on the Falcons it's a step below Pete because he wasn't playing, but it is still bad.  If he didn't bet on the Falcons then I would think a year suspension is enough.

 
He's going to be 28, too, with a year off. 

This guy is done, really. I don't see how the NFL lets him back in. Also, before anybody says the NFL partnerships with the gambling companies makes what he did okay, no, it doesn't. You can't have athletes gambling on their own the league's games. That's what gives you threads like STEADY's where he doesn't believe the NFL anymore. 

 
JohnnyU said:
Well, I just don't know how long it will be, but betting on football is more serious than most infractions.  Did he bet on the Falcons?  If yes, then it is MOST serious, whether he was playing or not.
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The league did not say which game he bet on, but they did say no games were compromised. I would guess that means he didn't bet on the Falcons, as that would lend itself to having insider information. As I just mentioned, the few times other players were suspended for gambling they received the same suspension (at least one year), but they were reinstated at that point. Not sure why Ridley would be treated any differently unless he has other issues that have not been disclosed as of yet.

 
I don't mean this to cast shade on Ridley's character.  Mental health is important and we should be understanding as a society.  

But not in fantasy football.  Between Antonio Brown and now this--the mental health thing is going to become a big red flag in dynasty leagues.  

 
JohnnyU said:
Well, I just don't know how long it will be, but betting on football is more serious than most infractions.  Did he bet on the Falcons?  If yes, then it is MOST serious, whether he was playing or not.
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It’s beyond stupid.  But In all honesty, being ON your team shouldn’t lead to a year long suspension. I get that you need consistency and to not get into which side of the bet you took, etc. 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
To be fair, and in all seriousness, addiction is a mental health issue.

Hard to see that through the “fog of war“ as it were, and it’s ironic as hell… But he legitimately does have a mental health issue and now we know what it is.

that it also involved incredibly poor decision-making may be another topic.
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might need to pump the brakes on the bolded...do we know for sure what his mental health issue is?....I mean he could have some other type of mental illness that is not an addiction....and he just chose to make a bad mistake on top of that by betting on football.....has it been said somewhere that a "gambling addiction" was in fact his "mental health issue"....

 
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If you had any doubts about his mental health before, I would think this causes certain mental issues going forward.  I hope he gets the help he needs.  I'm not saying he has a gambling problem either.  It's just that this kind of event can lead him into a dark place.  Or should I say darker place.

 
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rockaction said:
He's going to be 28, too, with a year off. 

This guy is done, really. I don't see how the NFL lets him back in. Also, before anybody says the NFL partnerships with the gambling companies makes what he did okay, no, it doesn't. You can't have athletes gambling on their own the league's games. That's what gives you threads like STEADY's where he doesn't believe the NFL anymore. 
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I literally just texted that to a friend who has him in one league… Basically he’s going to be almost 30 years old the next time he plays, at least. It could be longer. I think he’s likely done as an elite option.

 
rockaction said:
It already should have been if you're a dynasty player. You should be dinging guys for character concerns. I hate to say it, but I do. 
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just taking what we heard at face value, do you consider depression to be a character issue?

 Obviously today changes things a bit. 

 
JohnnyU said:
I believe Pete bet on the Reds when he was the manager, thus the lifetime ban.  If Ridley bet on the Falcons it's a step below Pete because he wasn't playing, but it is still bad.  If he didn't bet on the Falcons then I would think a year suspension is enough.
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He also reportedly did so as player/manager. But yeah, anyway your slice it, it’s all bad.

 
jm192 said:
I don't mean this to cast shade on Ridley's character.  Mental health is important and we should be understanding as a society.  

But not in fantasy football.  Between Antonio Brown and now this--the mental health thing is going to become a big red flag in dynasty leagues.  
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Oh, Antonio Brown is legitimately crazy. C’mon. 

 
Stinkin Ref said:
might need to pump the brakes on the bolded...do we know for sure what his mental health issue is?....I mean he could have some other type of mental illness that is not an addiction....and he just chose to make a bad mistake on top of that by betting on football.....has it been said somewhere that a "gambling addiction" was his mental health issue....
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It’s kind of splitting hairs at this point though. I agree that he could have some sort of psychological disorder, as well as some sort of addictive personality issue.

there are many flavors of mental illness, and it seems obvious that’s someone risking such a small amount of money while jeopardizing their multi million dollar career it is not thinking rationally.

 
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Here’s the thing about gambling… If he’s reinstated, every single dropped passes for badly run route people are going to question whether he’s trying to throw a game that is betting on.

Here’s the thing about gambling… If he’s reinstated, every single dropped pass, badly run route, for injury that limits his status weather in game or mid week, people are going to question whether he’s trying to throw a game that is betting on.

i’m inclined to agree with @rockactionthat he may be entirely done.

 
with our heightened sense of awareness on mental health issues these days.....we seem really willing to expand our wings so that "mental health" issues can pretty much be the label or cause or excuse for people making any type of bad decision....when in fact you could be completely fine but just do stupid #### because you are an idiot.....

 
rockaction said:
And he bet on the Falcons, per sources. 
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And he bet on them to WIN of all things lol

”NFL determined that Calvin Ridley placed multi-legged parlay bets involving 3, 5 and 8 games that included  the Falcons to win, per source. Investigation determined there was no involvement from any team players, coach etc. placed via his mobile device out of state.”

 
I'm on record here as saying he was one of the best values going right now. I did not have concerns his mental issues would keep him out, obviously never saw this.

I own him on just 2 dynasty teams and drafted him on a redraft team a few weeks ago. I still feel relatively spared because I probably made over 20 trade offers for him since the off-season and thankfully all rejected or left to die. Had to make sure I went in my leagues and pull any outstanding offers I had out for him. 

 
Stinkin Ref said:
with our heightened sense of awareness on mental health issues these days.....we seem really willing to expand our wings so that "mental health" issues can pretty much be the label or cause or excuse for people making any type of bad decision....when in fact you could be completely fine but just do stupid #### because you are an idiot.....
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I don’t disagree with this, but when this first happened I do believe the correct thing to do was to give him the benefit of the doubt, just like I believe it’s fair to give anyone benefit of the doubt if they say they’re struggling with mental health

 
I'm not trying to say NFL players should be allowed to bet on NFL games.  There's a whole integrity issue there, etc. etc. 

But every which way you turn in the NFL landscape these days, there's DRAFT KINGS and FAN DUEL and CAESARS and a million other betting/gambling promos, all sponsored or partnered with the NFL.  Just feels like a very slippery slope and it wouldn't surprise me if we hear of this happening more going forward. 

 
-OZ- said:
just taking what we heard at face value, do you consider depression to be a character issue?

 Obviously today changes things a bit. 
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I ding guys for all concerns relating to performance. 

Depression relates to performance. 

Depression is not a measure of one's character, however, it is a measure of one's usefulness in time of need. 

This is spoken by someone who has suffered depression/anxiety issues in his life. Believe me, I don't want to say that it's a negative on their character or that they're bad people, but producers? 

It can lay up the best ones. 

 
JohnnyU said:
Well, I just don't know how long it will be, but betting on football is more serious than most infractions.  Did he bet on the Falcons?  If yes, then it is MOST serious, whether he was playing or not.
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wow - not kidding on this.  DUI manslaughter? 8 games.  Beat/kick your girlfriend in hotel hallway? 4 games.  Smack your girl unconscious in a public elevator? 2 games. Place a bet with one of the NFL's flagship marketing partners? You're done son.

 
wlwiles said:
But every which way you turn in the NFL landscape these days, there's DRAFT KINGS and FAN DUEL and CAESARS and a million other betting/gambling promos, all sponsored or partnered with the NFL.  Just feels like a very slippery slope and it wouldn't surprise me if we hear of this happening more going forward. 
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This is what I anticipated with my post a bit upthread. The league has partnered with some dangerous entities in the name of the dollar. They'd better make extra sure the game is extra clean, or I will indeed stop watching if it comes to light that this is happening on the reg. 

Then again, I'm probably naive. I couldn't believe Damon Arnette's video could even exist. Not because he was the NFL, but just in general. That was stupefying. 

 
CletiusMaximus said:
wow - not kidding on this.  DUI manslaughter? 8 games.  Beat/kick your girlfriend in hotel hallway? 4 games.  Smack your girl unconscious in a public elevator? 2 games. Place a bet with one of the NFL's flagship marketing partners? You're done son.
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Act unbecoming outside the field of play: 2-8 games 

Affect the integrity of the game: ban hammer 

 
Hot Sauce Guy said:
Or may ever watch again if the current shenanigans continue

#RIP MLB
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They agreed to ban the shift, have a pitch clock, and one other sticky thing, per sources. I saw it on the Tweets at the deets. 

eta* But we all know it's really about that pie, and how it gets carved between the owners and players. That's the rub, and the nub of the issue. 

 
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wlwiles said:
I'm not trying to say NFL players should be allowed to bet on NFL games.  There's a whole integrity issue there, etc. etc. 

But every which way you turn in the NFL landscape these days, there's DRAFT KINGS and FAN DUEL and CAESARS and a million other betting/gambling promos, all sponsored or partnered with the NFL.  Just feels like a very slippery slope and it wouldn't surprise me if we hear of this happening more going forward. 
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Yes, but presumably the guys who are getting paid millions and millions of dollars have no need to gamble on football games.

Usually a relatively safe assumption.

 
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