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WR DeAndre Hopkins, BAL (4 Viewers)

I'm likely selling him short by saying this but Hopkins is (at a minimum) an elite "chain mover" at this stage of his career. Great hands and still pretty uncoverable at the chains. If you need one of those guys (for teams smart enough to realize they do) he's still pretty valuable.
 
I have seen several places and people linking Hopkins to the Patriots. That's mostly due to the history between Vrabel and Hopkins. NE needs WRs and an established guy for the WR room . . . but I am not sure investing in a 33-year-old is the best approach to get through a rebuild.
sometimes its not about that.

there are things that Hopkins can do that others in the room can pickup on. if he adds some decent leadership for the young WR (and QB) that can be a stabiliizing influence until those young men are willing to step up.

I dont know how the guy is in the dressing room but I've not heard a whole lot of negatives so I'm guessing the guy is decent. and if hes a good leader in the dressing room then they dont necessarily care if he doesnt put up huge numbers (though obviously good numbers are better than bad)
Being a good teammate is overrated. Produce baby!!!! Or go retire.
 
I have seen several places and people linking Hopkins to the Patriots. That's mostly due to the history between Vrabel and Hopkins. NE needs WRs and an established guy for the WR room . . . but I am not sure investing in a 33-year-old is the best approach to get through a rebuild.
New England needs to add speed to all skill positions. I still think Hopkins has something left in the tank but isn’t a fit for that team.
 
I have seen several places and people linking Hopkins to the Patriots. That's mostly due to the history between Vrabel and Hopkins. NE needs WRs and an established guy for the WR room . . . but I am not sure investing in a 33-year-old is the best approach to get through a rebuild.
sometimes its not about that.

there are things that Hopkins can do that others in the room can pickup on. if he adds some decent leadership for the young WR (and QB) that can be a stabiliizing influence until those young men are willing to step up.

I dont know how the guy is in the dressing room but I've not heard a whole lot of negatives so I'm guessing the guy is decent. and if hes a good leader in the dressing room then they dont necessarily care if he doesnt put up huge numbers (though obviously good numbers are better than bad)
Being a good teammate is overrated. Produce baby!!!! Or go retire.
I dont think its overrated at all. certainly you want them to produce at a level where you dont have to bench them. but if the youngsters watch him prepare and get himself ready to play and set a good example it makes it easier for them to figure out where they need to go.

some people come by it naturally, but some need to have that example there. I dont think its a waste to have him on an NFL roster. Not yet anyways.

you dont just win with youth. most times, you need a blend of youth and experience to win and getting the kids to learn (hopefully not the hard way) is the goal when you bring a veteran onto the roster.

I see some of the things DHop does. I am sure he has at least one year left in the tank. Possibly 2 if he goes to the right situation. but part of that means he needs a QB who is good enough to take advantage of his skillset. one of his greatest gifts as a WR is leaping up and climbing that ladder to come up with that jump ball. so a QB who can thread that needle is ideal.
 
I see some of the things DHop does. I am sure he has at least one year left in the tank. Possibly 2 if he goes to the right situation. but part of that means he needs a QB who is good enough to take advantage of his skillset. one of his greatest gifts as a WR is leaping up and climbing that ladder to come up with that jump ball. so a QB who can thread that needle is ideal.
The Chiefs apparently didn’t, because they hardly played the dude.

To the bolded: He had Mahomes - how much better of a QB situation could he improve to?

If he were to go to NEP, I could see a safety valve/possession receiver type role - DHop doesn’t have the speed or separation he once did. He looked pretty bad in the Super Bowl. That gaff when he was wide open & tripped over his own feet trying to make an adjustment was so uncharacteristic of him - the ball was a little off target, but we’ve seen Hopkins routinely make catches 10x more difficult than that over the years.

If he’s cheap enough I agree he’d probably help the Pats, but that speaks more to the Pats needs than it does to what Hopkins has left in the tank. He’d probably be like a TE in that offense. RZ help for sure. But probably not a game changer.

I could be wrong. He looked like a dude on the wrong side of 30 in the SB.
 
His potential usefulness to the Pats is relative to his willingness to be a mentor to the group of young receivers they will have on their roster next season.

If he's still got designs on being the main target, alpha type and not on taking a back seat and helping up and comers get better, he's not really going to offer much that they couldn't get from A. Nother for cheaper.
 
I see some of the things DHop does. I am sure he has at least one year left in the tank. Possibly 2 if he goes to the right situation. but part of that means he needs a QB who is good enough to take advantage of his skillset. one of his greatest gifts as a WR is leaping up and climbing that ladder to come up with that jump ball. so a QB who can thread that needle is ideal.
The Chiefs apparently didn’t, because they hardly played the dude.

To the bolded: He had Mahomes - how much better of a QB situation could he improve to?

If he were to go to NEP, I could see a safety valve/possession receiver type role - DHop doesn’t have the speed or separation he once did. He looked pretty bad in the Super Bowl. That gaff when he was wide open & tripped over his own feet trying to make an adjustment was so uncharacteristic of him - the ball was a little off target, but we’ve seen Hopkins routinely make catches 10x more difficult than that over the years.

If he’s cheap enough I agree he’d probably help the Pats, but that speaks more to the Pats needs than it does to what Hopkins has left in the tank. He’d probably be like a TE in that offense. RZ help for sure. But probably not a game changer.

I could be wrong. He looked like a dude on the wrong side of 30 in the SB.
I thought he was one of their best offensive players in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he had the play you described, but he also had the contested 2 pt and the excellent back shoulder TD. After Worthy, he was probably the best player on the offense in that game.

Is Mahomes a good QB situation for a contested catch WR? I'm not sure he is. Mahomes is very much a separation-based QB. Its possible that's more on Reid than Mahomes, but its shown out on Mahomes advanced stats. Same with guys like Goff and Purdy. Meanwhile guys like Russ, Herbert and Burrow are excellent for contested catch WRs. Its not an argument of QB quality, just style.
 
I just think he's gotta get his ducks in a row before making it official and legally he couldn't just retire but had to iron out things first.

Those words are difficult to say. He wouldn't accidentally say it
His contract is up on the 17th and 2025 is a void year.
Idk exactly what any of that means but I'm figuring it also relates to what I said earlier. Retiring on Feb 9th versus nine days later probably has significance.
If he plans to play, I still think he needed to get past the 17th before he made any type of specific statement like where or who he's visiting or whatever
 
Hopkins really should not have the need to keep playing . . . he's already made $140 million. But he made $14.6 million last year, and I am guessing his post football career won't pay him that well. Spotrac suggests at this stage his market value should be a one year deal for $15.2 million. I don't think he''s worth that, but it will be interested to see if he demands that much and if someone would be willing to give that to him.
 
Hopkins really should not have the need to keep playing . . . he's already made $140 million. But he made $14.6 million last year, and I am guessing his post football career won't pay him that well. Spotrac suggests at this stage his market value should be a one year deal for $15.2 million. I don't think he''s worth that, but it will be interested to see if he demands that much and if someone would be willing to give that to him.
I doubt anyone will pay him 15M after watching him play last year. I would think it would be much lower, regardless of what Sportac suggests.
 
I see some of the things DHop does. I am sure he has at least one year left in the tank. Possibly 2 if he goes to the right situation. but part of that means he needs a QB who is good enough to take advantage of his skillset. one of his greatest gifts as a WR is leaping up and climbing that ladder to come up with that jump ball. so a QB who can thread that needle is ideal.
The Chiefs apparently didn’t, because they hardly played the dude.

To the bolded: He had Mahomes - how much better of a QB situation could he improve to?

If he were to go to NEP, I could see a safety valve/possession receiver type role - DHop doesn’t have the speed or separation he once did. He looked pretty bad in the Super Bowl. That gaff when he was wide open & tripped over his own feet trying to make an adjustment was so uncharacteristic of him - the ball was a little off target, but we’ve seen Hopkins routinely make catches 10x more difficult than that over the years.

If he’s cheap enough I agree he’d probably help the Pats, but that speaks more to the Pats needs than it does to what Hopkins has left in the tank. He’d probably be like a TE in that offense. RZ help for sure. But probably not a game changer.

I could be wrong. He looked like a dude on the wrong side of 30 in the SB.
I thought he was one of their best offensive players in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he had the play you described, but he also had the contested 2 pt and the excellent back shoulder TD. After Worthy, he was probably the best player on the offense in that game.

Is Mahomes a good QB situation for a contested catch WR? I'm not sure he is. Mahomes is very much a separation-based QB. Its possible that's more on Reid than Mahomes, but its shown out on Mahomes advanced stats. Same with guys like Goff and Purdy. Meanwhile guys like Russ, Herbert and Burrow are excellent for contested catch WRs. Its not an argument of QB quality, just style.
fully agree. Ma
I see some of the things DHop does. I am sure he has at least one year left in the tank. Possibly 2 if he goes to the right situation. but part of that means he needs a QB who is good enough to take advantage of his skillset. one of his greatest gifts as a WR is leaping up and climbing that ladder to come up with that jump ball. so a QB who can thread that needle is ideal.
The Chiefs apparently didn’t, because they hardly played the dude.

To the bolded: He had Mahomes - how much better of a QB situation could he improve to?

If he were to go to NEP, I could see a safety valve/possession receiver type role - DHop doesn’t have the speed or separation he once did. He looked pretty bad in the Super Bowl. That gaff when he was wide open & tripped over his own feet trying to make an adjustment was so uncharacteristic of him - the ball was a little off target, but we’ve seen Hopkins routinely make catches 10x more difficult than that over the years.

If he’s cheap enough I agree he’d probably help the Pats, but that speaks more to the Pats needs than it does to what Hopkins has left in the tank. He’d probably be like a TE in that offense. RZ help for sure. But probably not a game changer.

I could be wrong. He looked like a dude on the wrong side of 30 in the SB.
I thought he was one of their best offensive players in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he had the play you described, but he also had the contested 2 pt and the excellent back shoulder TD. After Worthy, he was probably the best player on the offense in that game.

Is Mahomes a good QB situation for a contested catch WR? I'm not sure he is. Mahomes is very much a separation-based QB. Its possible that's more on Reid than Mahomes, but its shown out on Mahomes advanced stats. Same with guys like Goff and Purdy. Meanwhile guys like Russ, Herbert and Burrow are excellent for contested catch WRs. Its not an argument of QB quality, just style.
yep. hed look good in all of those places.

and if Higgins leaves cincy, they may need someone to fill the void while they get another WR up to speed.

I also like him in a chargers uniform.
 
I also like him in a chargers uniform.
I think they’re content to let QJ continue to suck at that role.

Davonte Adam’s probably a better fit there, or Deebo. They’re all slightly past their expiration date though.
I think its a case where they thought they'd bring someone in and were not able to do it. My belief is that they will draft a WR this year in one of the top 2 or 3 rounds or they will sign someone and use their top picks to address other needs. it is also possible they draft a WR in round 2 or 3 and bring in someone like Hopkins as a 1 or 2 year filler until they are ready. I actually like that move because Dhop likely isnt big bucks to sign now.

but I could be wrong there. he may ask for WR1 money and I think the chargers would not be interested in THAT.
 
There are WRs that will be available in the 3rd and 4th round of this upcoming draft that I think will help WR needy teams more than DHop in just about every area except NFL experience/coach on the field/good locker room guy. And if those three traits are that important to a team, I think Kupp excels at them much more than DHop too. But IMO teams like the Chargers, Packers, Bengals should be drafting a WR (or even one of the several great options at TE) to expand their receiving rooms. To me he is not the player he was a few years ago and I sincerely doubt the same coach universally praised and widely considered one of, if not the best, in the NFL right now was "mishandling" him all year long out of ignorance. Think it's time for him to just hang em up.
 
There are WRs that will be available in the 3rd and 4th round of this upcoming draft that I think will help WR needy teams more than DHop in just about every area except NFL experience/coach on the field/good locker room guy. And if those three traits are that important to a team, I think Kupp excels at them much more than DHop too. But IMO teams like the Chargers, Packers, Bengals should be drafting a WR (or even one of the several great options at TE) to expand their receiving rooms. To me he is not the player he was a few years ago and I sincerely doubt the same coach universally praised and widely considered one of, if not the best, in the NFL right now was "mishandling" him all year long out of ignorance. Think it's time for him to just hang em up.
I don’t see the Chargers drafting another WR unless it’s late, like 4th ~>

I could be wrong.

I fully expect Harbaugh to continue to hammer the OL with picks.

I’d not be at all shocked to see them sign a FA WR.
 
I thought he was one of their best offensive players in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he had the play you described, but he also had the contested 2 pt and the excellent back shoulder TD.
Against the 3rd string, in the 4th quarter of a blowout.

How were his numbers before that?

Context matters.
The TD was against Quinyon Mitchell
Ok. What was the score and how much time was left?
It was after the game was decided sure (the game was arguably decided by halftime) but that's not the point. It clearly wasn't against some 3rd stringer. It was against a guy who only gave up 2 TDs all season prior to Hopkins. 1 to McLaurin, and randomly 1 to Jalen Tolbert. I highly doubt Mitchell was just conceding a TD.
 
I thought he was one of their best offensive players in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he had the play you described, but he also had the contested 2 pt and the excellent back shoulder TD.
Against the 3rd string, in the 4th quarter of a blowout.

How were his numbers before that?

Context matters.
The TD was against Quinyon Mitchell
Ok. What was the score and how much time was left?
It was after the game was decided sure (the game was arguably decided by halftime) but that's not the point. It clearly wasn't against some 3rd stringer. It was against a guy who only gave up 2 TDs all season prior to Hopkins. 1 to McLaurin, and randomly 1 to Jalen Tolbert. I highly doubt Mitchell was just conceding a TD.
I don’t believe he was playing as if it were a tied game, either. I’m just sayin - you’re acting like that context is irrelevant.

DHop hadn’t done a thing prior to that, other than whiff on a totally catchable ball for a sure fire TD that they desperately needed.

There’s also the fact that the Chiefs didn’t seem to use him hardly at all in the season or playoffs after acquiring him.

I’m not saying he’s totally washed, but like others I believe he’s not going to be worth what he commands headed into next season. I don’t think he’s a WR1, or even a strong WR2.
 
He was traded for a conditional fifth that could become a fourth.
What's a fifth round pick worth in your mind?

His star fell. I'm sure he knows it. I'm not sure everyone in this thread does. A conditional fifth....

When Henry was running great one game, Hopkins had few if any catches and he talked a lot about how he's always had to put teams in his back and it was so nice to block. He had some extra good ones and made a joke he's better at blocking when that's his focus. There were other times someone did something and he was the consummate teammate about it.

Ya gotta understand this guy grew up idolizing Calvin and OMG I get to play with Andrew. He could catch 20 catches and not blink. He wanted it all the time.

He did change already.
Maybe some of you forget but he wasn't anywhere near a 3 for 50 guy in his prime. He has done the old man WR seasons.
 
He was a high-quality leader/teammate when with the TItans, at a time (Willis/Levis) when they needed one, if I recall correctly.

I would welcome him with open arms to the WFT'skins, on the field with McLaurin, and mentoring JD and a crew of young WR.
 
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I thought he was one of their best offensive players in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he had the play you described, but he also had the contested 2 pt and the excellent back shoulder TD.
Against the 3rd string, in the 4th quarter of a blowout.

How were his numbers before that?

Context matters.
The TD was against Quinyon Mitchell
Ok. What was the score and how much time was left?
It was after the game was decided sure (the game was arguably decided by halftime) but that's not the point. It clearly wasn't against some 3rd stringer. It was against a guy who only gave up 2 TDs all season prior to Hopkins. 1 to McLaurin, and randomly 1 to Jalen Tolbert. I highly doubt Mitchell was just conceding a TD.
no. I dont think hes wired that way.

but regardless, even good players get beat sometimes. I dont blame him for that.
 
I thought he was one of their best offensive players in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he had the play you described, but he also had the contested 2 pt and the excellent back shoulder TD.
Against the 3rd string, in the 4th quarter of a blowout.

How were his numbers before that?

Context matters.
The TD was against Quinyon Mitchell
Ok. What was the score and how much time was left?
It was after the game was decided sure (the game was arguably decided by halftime) but that's not the point. It clearly wasn't against some 3rd stringer. It was against a guy who only gave up 2 TDs all season prior to Hopkins. 1 to McLaurin, and randomly 1 to Jalen Tolbert. I highly doubt Mitchell was just conceding a TD.
no. I dont think hes wired that way.

but regardless, even good players get beat sometimes. I dont blame him for that.
I think the defensive scheme was much softer at that point in the game.

It’s also hard to play with the same intensity up 40-6, in the 4th when players are gassed.

I’m not saying Mitchell mailed it in that play, but if it’s a 24-21 game in the early 3rd I bet he plays just a bit differently.
 
I thought he was one of their best offensive players in the Super Bowl. Yeah, he had the play you described, but he also had the contested 2 pt and the excellent back shoulder TD.
Against the 3rd string, in the 4th quarter of a blowout.

How were his numbers before that?

Context matters.
The TD was against Quinyon Mitchell
Ok. What was the score and how much time was left?
It was after the game was decided sure (the game was arguably decided by halftime) but that's not the point. It clearly wasn't against some 3rd stringer. It was against a guy who only gave up 2 TDs all season prior to Hopkins. 1 to McLaurin, and randomly 1 to Jalen Tolbert. I highly doubt Mitchell was just conceding a TD.
no. I dont think hes wired that way.

but regardless, even good players get beat sometimes. I dont blame him for that.
I think the defensive scheme was much softer at that point in the game.

It’s also hard to play with the same intensity up 40-6, in the 4th when players are gassed.

I’m not saying Mitchell mailed it in that play, but if it’s a 24-21 game in the early 3rd I bet he plays just a bit differently.
I agree up to a point. you play it differently between the 20's. give them the underneath routes and force them to chew up the clock to march it down the field. I get that.. but once its a red zone situation you are no longer giving a cushion.

but you are right. the sense of urgency may not have been there the way it would be in a one score (or even a 2 score) game.
 
Not sure I'd give up more than a 6th or 7th to land him at this point in his career.
He's a free agent, so no need to give up anything except money.
Yep. I’m curious what he will value more at this point… The chance to earn a ring or financial security. If he’s just looking to latch on with a contender to try to get a ring, maybe he takes 3-5 million?

Saw upthread someone suggest he might seek upwards of 15 million? I just don’t see that is being realistic.
 
Sneaky great move by the Ravens. At the very least he beats the hell out of Nelson Agholor, and there's a good chance being further removed from that knee injury, he's able to be more useful this season. Truth be told I thought KC vastly underused him, not that he should be a focal point, but KC could have been hitting fades and back shoulders to him all season and just opted not to. Dare I say, Baltimore is a better offense, with a better QB.

Fantasy wise, he's probably no big deal, but he probably hurts Bateman quite a bit, particularly in the TD department.

We'll see if they keep Andrews (they should in my opinion) but if not, maybe Hopkins becomes the contested catch guy they use Andrews as.
 
Sneaky great move by the Ravens. At the very least he beats the hell out of Nelson Agholor, and there's a good chance being further removed from that knee injury, he's able to be more useful this season. Truth be told I thought KC vastly underused him, not that he should be a focal point, but KC could have been hitting fades and back shoulders to him all season and just opted not to. Dare I say, Baltimore is a better offense, with a better QB.

Fantasy wise, he's probably no big deal, but he probably hurts Bateman quite a bit, particularly in the TD department.

We'll see if they keep Andrews (they should in my opinion) but if not, maybe Hopkins becomes the contested catch guy they use Andrews as.
As a Ravens follower, I like this move. They'll have to do some cap juggling, I think, but I'm sure they've already figured out what they're gonna do there. If they keep Andrews, that's a pretty good receiving group with Flowers/Bateman/Hopkins/Andrews/Likely/Justice Hill. Another plus is that Hopkins gets the entire off-season to get acclimated instead of Baltimore signing someone in July.

For FF, I think I agree with trav that it may hurt Bateman's value the most. But let's see what training camp brings.
 
Good low risk/potential high reward move.....though he's not a mismatch problem/double team guy anymore. Adds some quality depth and another weapon to an already explosive offense.
 

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