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WR Deebo Samuel, WAS (5 Viewers)

BassNBrew said:
menobrown said:
Deamon said:
menobrown said:
Most of the league is hurt
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Not really.

Only:

Pacheco
Mixon
Kupp
Puka
Cmc
Aj brown
Walker
Mostert
Higgins
Love
Waddle
Engram
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K. Allen
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M. Brown
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Seems like more to me because I got teams that drafted less than 2 weeks ago with 3-4 of these players on it. One has 5.

That one I drafted on 9/3 has Love, Kupp, Deebo and what was both of my TE’s in a TEP format, Njoku and Ferguson. Also Spears who you did not list and Downs who I drafted injured so can’t complain.

Maybe I’ll draft more guys like Downs next year because at least if you are out the first few weeks you can’t get hurt, they just got a head start in the recovery process.
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I'd laugh at this but we aren't allowed to.
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:ROFLMAO:
 
menobrown said:
dipandglide said:
menobrown said:
dipandglide said:
menobrown said:
dipandglide said:
menobrown said:
Hot Sauce Guy said:
I’m with you. Get on talent, not narratives
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Speaking of narratives the one that gets me is “due to the way he’s used I'm going to treat him like a RB with respect his anticipated age decline”

I mean,show me a me a RB getting on average about 3 carries and 4 receptions a game and I'd probably tell you I'm going to treat that RB like a WR with respect to predicting his age decline.
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Deebo's touches are close to the line of scrimmage, and his damage is from YAC. I don't know what to tell you if you think Deebo's style isn't conducive to wear and tear. Again, there's a reason he's never played a full schedule.


*Big fan of Deebo's talent. That isn't in question.
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7 touches a game on average last two years, a little less in his career, and for sure not all close to the line of scrimmage. Can't believe anyone would really think that kind of workload is a concern for longevity.
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"Samuel is one of the biggest injury risks at WR.
  • He’s never played a full season, missing a total of 17 games across five years.
  • Our Injury Predictor gives him an 86.6% chance of injury and 3.4 projected games missed this season. Those are the third-highest and highest marks among WRs."

Deebo Samuel Injury History & Updates

Deebo Samuel injury history and detailed analysis. Stay informed on his health trends and how they impact his fantasy football value.
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"All models are wrong, some are useful, some deadly." I could be overthinking this. But I'm hedging my bets as someone who's been heavy on Deebo since he came into the league. I'll still have some of him, but I am one foot off the train. Good luck!
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Ok, you are going in a different direction then I was thinking as I was focusing on his performance and not injury risk.

But I'll go there and just say I don't think his usage has even the tiniest bit to do with his injury history. It's always been an issue for him, back when he was a very young man in college. High majority of his injuries have been soft muscle pulls, mainly hamstring. Just don't think it's had anything to do with hits, wear or tear.
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Deebo is an elite talent. I wish he'd stay healthy
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Most of the league is hurt
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Don't deflect. You either @Hot Sauce Guy :-)
 
nyg350 said:
If he plays.

How we feeling about him?
I have to decide between him and Jameson Williams.
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I'd go with Jameson. SF should destroy NE, and they can easily do it with a combo of Mason, Aiyuk, Jennings, and Kittle. Deebo will suit up, then be a cheerleader on the sidelines.
 
Non Deebo owner who was lucky to pick up and start Jennings last week....
Was hoping to get one more week at least...
Worth a start @ Flex if Deebo is active?
 
xenon said:
Non Deebo owner who was lucky to pick up and start Jennings last week....
Was hoping to get one more week at least...
Worth a start @ Flex if Deebo is active?
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I have both and there's a chance I'm starting both (not what I'm trying to do).

But yeah, I think Jennings is still worth a start even if Deebo plays. Obviously, depending on your other options. He was getting targets even before Deebo got injured. He's a good player on a good offense and the QB likes him. So, he's got as much of a chance as some other flex-types.

And of course Deebo is always an injury risk anyway and now he's coming back from one quicker than expected.
 
This is what I typed out after passing on Malik Nabers for Deebo in the Shining Path Memorial League draft.

rockaction said:
I had Deebo’s name and his name written out. I typed, “I know I should go with one guy that I always wanted, but I’m picking Nabers instead."

Didn’t do so, obviously, but this guy . . . whoa . . . he’s electric.
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I'd always wanted Deebo on a team, saw him at 4.10 (yes, 4.10 in a fourteen-team league) and picked him. So I missed out on Nabers. I was typing the guy's name out (Nabers) and explaining why I picked him over Deebo, changed it up, and went with Deebo instead.

Oof, kinda.
 
Personally I see a disconnect between “they don’t need him” and he’ll be a “decoy”.

I don’t think they are playing him if they think the injury still bothers him or they fear it getting worse.

Also have Jennings in 2 leagues on Deebo teams. If all goes well in warmups I’ll only be using Deebo.
 
Ian Hartitz
Deebo Samuel missed tackles forced on receptions (PFF)

2021: 20 MTF on 77 receptions (26%)
2022: 32 MTF on 56 receptions (57%)
2023: 25 MTF on 60 receptions (42%)
2024: 1 MTF on 17 receptions (6%)
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Lee Ungaretta
Any thoughts as to why this is?
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Ian Hartitz
small sample/lingering calf injury best guesses but yeah hasn't been looking like his usual self most of the season
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Any intel on how he looked in practice? Last week he seemed like he had lost a step with the foot injury. Not sure I want to start him again until he's 100% healthy.
 
Next Gen Stats
Deebo Samuel reached a top speed of 20.90 mph on his 76-yard TD reception, his fastest speed since Week 14, 2019 and his 3rd time reaching 20+ mph this season (tied for 3rd-most in the NFL).

🔹 Yards After Catch: 54
🔹 YAC Over Expected: +43

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Anyone ever have pneumonia? Can you imagine playing football a few days after being hospitalized with fluid in lungs? He'll be out of breath from the warmup. He's not playing this week. And if he miraculously plays, he'll get 10 snaps. Let's be real.
 
Chardo1 said:
Anyone ever have pneumonia? Can you imagine playing football a few days after being hospitalized with fluid in lungs? He'll be out of breath from the warmup. He's not playing this week. And if he miraculously plays, he'll get 10 snaps. Let's be real.
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He's a world class athlete he'll be ok. Sunday night will make it difficult for all of us if he doesn't get up to full practice by the end of the week though.
 
Chardo1 said:
Anyone ever have pneumonia? Can you imagine playing football a few days after being hospitalized with fluid in lungs? He'll be out of breath from the warmup. He's not playing this week. And if he miraculously plays, he'll get 10 snaps. Let's be real.
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Imagine being in need in of hospitalisation for what transpires to be apparent pneumonia and still training and suiting up. Nothing this week will amaze me more than the fact he got suited up to play on Sunday and actually made the field.
 
Matt Barrows:

We'll have to wait until later this afternoon to see if Samuel was limited or not, but he certainly seemed full go during the early portion of practice reporters are permitted to watch. Sure *seems* like he'll play vs. Cowboys.

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This year has been the epitome of the Deebo experience.
I assume most Deebo teams have two losses from the Shanahanagans of Week 5 and 7.

I've been on this ride numerous years, and hopefully today begins the part of the story where Deebo carries your team.

Today is scary as hell though. This is the sort of set-up that Shanahan lives for to screw with fantasy players.

Juicy match-up. Top 2 RB's and Top 2 WR's all banged up. A lot of players with the chance of either scoring 3 TD's or playing only 3 snaps.

Best of luck today gentlemen.
 
pollardsvision said:
This year has been the epitome of the Deebo experience.
I assume most Deebo teams have two losses from the Shanahanagans of Week 5 and 7.

I've been on this ride numerous years, and hopefully today begins the part of the story where Deebo carries your team.

Today is scary as hell though. This is the sort of set-up that Shanahan lives for to screw with fantasy players.

Juicy match-up. Top 2 RB's and Top 2 WR's all banged up. A lot of players with the chance of either scoring 3 TD's or playing only 3 snaps.

Best of luck today gentlemen.
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I am starting Jennings and CMC with confidence.
 
Drunken Cowboy said:
pollardsvision said:
This year has been the epitome of the Deebo experience.
I assume most Deebo teams have two losses from the Shanahanagans of Week 5 and 7.

I've been on this ride numerous years, and hopefully today begins the part of the story where Deebo carries your team.

Today is scary as hell though. This is the sort of set-up that Shanahan lives for to screw with fantasy players.

Juicy match-up. Top 2 RB's and Top 2 WR's all banged up. A lot of players with the chance of either scoring 3 TD's or playing only 3 snaps.

Best of luck today gentlemen.
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I am starting Jennings and CMC with confidence.
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I have Jennings too.

My preference would have been that the 49ers let Deebo rest another week so I can start Jennings.

I can't sit Deebo, but I fully expect Jennings to go off on my bench. Considered starting both, but not going to with both banged up.

Also don't want to risk starting 2 WRs that watch CMC score 4 TDs.
 
Is Deebo even startable any more? Seems to be Purdy's third option behind McCaffrey and Jennings (and was behind Aiyuk before he got injured)

Watching a few of his games, it looks like he's lost a step or two.
 
AB in DC said:
Is Deebo even startable any more? Seems to be Purdy's third option behind McCaffrey and Jennings (and was behind Aiyuk before he got injured)

Watching a few of his games, it looks like he's lost a step or two.
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Pneumonia is a pretty huge deal, people sometimes die from it, and it was shocking he didn't miss at least a week or 2 from it. I think that's more responsible for the looking like he's lost a step, than him actually losing a step.

I think he's still very startable, but he's not a must start right now. I do think the battle between he and Jennings isn't over yet, but I'd caution that Kittle is the #1 in the redzone regardless, and now with CMC back, the ceilings are lower across the board unless the defense falls apart, or Purdy becomes a top-5 guy.
 
He's a running back playing WR. Basically an upgraded version of Cordarelle Patterson, or JaMarr Chase if JaMarr couldn't run a route. Good football player, but miscast in his current role. Pearsall should be more involved as a traditional WR and they need to use Deebo to spell CMC (or the other way around) at RB while moving them around the field and being more creative with him.
 
Jacob's Ladder said:
He's a running back playing WR. Basically an upgraded version of Cordarelle Patterson, or JaMarr Chase if JaMarr couldn't run a route. Good football player, but miscast in his current role. Pearsall should be more involved as a traditional WR and they need to use Deebo to spell CMC (or the other way around) at RB while moving them around the field and being more creative with him.
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Yeah, that makes sense. They should probably completely change how they use him since he’s been a failure this many years into his NFL career.
 
Alex P Keaton said:
Jacob's Ladder said:
He's a running back playing WR. Basically an upgraded version of Cordarelle Patterson, or JaMarr Chase if JaMarr couldn't run a route. Good football player, but miscast in his current role. Pearsall should be more involved as a traditional WR and they need to use Deebo to spell CMC (or the other way around) at RB while moving them around the field and being more creative with him.
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Yeah, that makes sense. They should probably completely change how they use him since he’s been a failure this many years into his NFL career.
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Don't get me wrong, he's a great football player that has been extremely productive from a fantasy perspective. He's one of my favorite players in the NFL to watch. I'm just of the opinion he's being misused on too many plays. He's not really a m2m beater and I think he would be better served being treated as a RB hybrid vs the other way around. Lining him up wide play after play is a head scratcher. To me, he's a much larger, stronger, and physically imposing version Percy Harvin. That's not a bad thing, but I don't think the team is getting the most out of him with the way they use him and above all else, I don't think the way they use him gives them the best chance to win week in and week out.
 
Jacob's Ladder said:
Alex P Keaton said:
Jacob's Ladder said:
He's a running back playing WR. Basically an upgraded version of Cordarelle Patterson, or JaMarr Chase if JaMarr couldn't run a route. Good football player, but miscast in his current role. Pearsall should be more involved as a traditional WR and they need to use Deebo to spell CMC (or the other way around) at RB while moving them around the field and being more creative with him.
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Yeah, that makes sense. They should probably completely change how they use him since he’s been a failure this many years into his NFL career.
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Don't get me wrong, he's a great football player that has been extremely productive from a fantasy perspective. He's one of my favorite players in the NFL to watch. I'm just of the opinion he's being misused on too many plays. He's not really a m2m beater and I think he would be better served being treated as a RB hybrid vs the other way around. Lining him up wide play after play is a head scratcher. To me, he's a much larger, stronger, and physically imposing version Percy Harvin. That's not a bad thing, but I don't think the team is getting the most out of him with the way they use him and above all else, I don't think the way they use him gives them the best chance to win week in and week out.
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His usage seems to change week to week though. This week was not a deebo heavy script.

A few weeks back he caught a deep TD when he burned half the defense.

He’s a weapon, but his versatility can be frustrating because sometimes they get cute with his usage and forget he’s a WR.
 
Jacob's Ladder said:
Alex P Keaton said:
Jacob's Ladder said:
He's a running back playing WR. Basically an upgraded version of Cordarelle Patterson, or JaMarr Chase if JaMarr couldn't run a route. Good football player, but miscast in his current role. Pearsall should be more involved as a traditional WR and they need to use Deebo to spell CMC (or the other way around) at RB while moving them around the field and being more creative with him.
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Yeah, that makes sense. They should probably completely change how they use him since he’s been a failure this many years into his NFL career.
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Don't get me wrong, he's a great football player that has been extremely productive from a fantasy perspective. He's one of my favorite players in the NFL to watch. I'm just of the opinion he's being misused on too many plays. He's not really a m2m beater and I think he would be better served being treated as a RB hybrid vs the other way around. Lining him up wide play after play is a head scratcher. To me, he's a much larger, stronger, and physically imposing version Percy Harvin. That's not a bad thing, but I don't think the team is getting the most out of him with the way they use him and above all else, I don't think the way they use him gives them the best chance to win week in and week out.
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Point taken. I just don’t see captain Kyle making that change. I definitely think they should get Pearsall some opportunities. And agree with you on Deebo’s non-traditional style of play for a WR.
 
Motion McCaffrey to the slot, empty backfield, then motion Deebo to tailback. Defense won't know what the hell is coming. They can hand off to Deebo, or quick pass to CMC, or fake to CMC while Deebo swings out the other way, or playfake to Deebo and hit CMC deep, or bring CMC back for an end-around, or fake to Deebo and look to CMC on an out and hit Kittle over the middle, or....
 
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