The Gator
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Doesn’t seem like a good idea imo
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WR Jameson Williams, DET (9 Viewers)
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I can’t actually believe that this is serious. Sounds like an SNL bit. If he’s actually a gunner on special teams, I’m going to write off ever owning a Lions player again. Moronic.
The Gator
Footballguy
It's not either bubble wrap him or he plays STs, there's a lot of middle ground that can be good for him.
Playing STs isn't one of them IMO
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
my gawd they’re using football players on football plays
how could you possibly treat a prima donna like 1/53rd of a team??
how could you possibly treat a prima donna like 1/53rd of a team??
I smell trick play.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
probably helps Kalif on PR if Jags are tying up a couple guys making sure Jamo isn’t running a square in
That is how Campbell rolls. i was surprised that he even activated him because he has not had enough practice. So it just makes sense that Campbell was just viewing this as getting Jamo prepared for real action.
This is how good teams win games. Detroit has not put on a game like this for many years. Looked like the best team for all 4 quarters. If the Lions are going to make a run the last 5 games, they need to dominate a couple more games like this. Those one score games rely a lot on luck and perfect game management, which the Lions have not figured out yet.
Oddly, we probably want the Rams to beat Seattle, as they are one of the teams in our way to the Playoffs.....
Oddly, we probably want the Rams to beat Seattle, as they are one of the teams in our way to the Playoffs.....
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
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Wednesday was the first time he caught balls from Goff
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karl.Racki
Footballguy
Sucks for Campbell that he is going to be fired as soon as the season ends.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Dude, if you are going to be a real troll you are going to have to try harder than this. Maybe go out and bite some kneecaps.
massraider
Footballguy
I am a fan of the alias. Having a whole fleet of alias named after movie hockey goons is a great idea.
Phantom Knight
Footballguy
The. Ledge. Won.
If I had seen some of the comments made after gluing my feet to the edge of the ledge as opposed to just this one that I replied to, I would have sat the young fellow down. I did get one thing right, it is shaping up to be a bad week. I think I will win one game with Jameson's zero. I had a chance in another until Lamar and Jones got dinged. But yeah, I fell off that ledge, for sure.
DJackson10
Footballguy
I played him today and was wondering what happened. My one league I had to as my other WRs were meh or hurt. Its a free work league and desperate had to win out these last 3 weeks to make the postseason with help. Probably done with that league now other then just setting a line up. Won't even bother with the waivers in that league. I've lost 3 times to guys not even playing in the league anymore. Way more invested this point in my keeper league.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Dang, sorry I used a Tweet from a known Detroit beat and it was bad info (not even close)
Jameson had 8 snaps yesterday (not 23)
anyway my bad should have confirmed it from another source
Jameson had 8 snaps yesterday (not 23)
anyway my bad should have confirmed it from another source
Truebluey
Footballguy
I really doubt it. Seems to be one of the best-liked coaches in the league. Team really balls out for him.
DropKick
Footballguy
Using this guy as a gunner, in his first game back, would be the move of an idiotic franchise. This being the Lions... anything is possible.
I've seen "six offensive snaps" quoted in several places. Before the game, it was to be a "very limited number of snaps"... more than a little surprised people plugged him into line-ups. Fortunately, the Lions didn't punt...
Chaka
Footballguy
8 offensive snaps and, despite rumors to the contrary, 0 special teams snaps.
Chaka
Footballguy
So "per @Jay glazer" Williams was going to be used as a gunner on punts.
But is there an actual quote from Campbell or staff that speculation came from? Or was he just throwing ###$ against the wall and hoping it stuck? Or did an insider on staff play Glazer for a lark?
Love the thought of the latter.
But is there an actual quote from Campbell or staff that speculation came from? Or was he just throwing ###$ against the wall and hoping it stuck? Or did an insider on staff play Glazer for a lark?
Love the thought of the latter.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He was seen running as a gunner in pregame warmups. Postgame Campbell said that was the plan but they never punted.
You ever seen the highlights of Jameson as a gunner at ‘Bama? Kid likes to hit people. Granted he’s built like a praying mantis but he loves ball.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Well Bobby and Chaka, the Lions are flying high. They are certainly trending up. They are in the playoff hunt even with a subpar below .500 record as of now. They have talent all the way around on offense and their defense isn't too shabby either. It's contagious. There's a winning attitude in Detroit.
Now, how does Jameson Williams get mixed in or is he really a year away to release the kraken? My take is the Lions would sprinkle him in more and more moving forward? Gosh, DJ Chark is a solid deep threat as well.
Chaka
Footballguy
I have no idea about Jameson. I wouldn't count on him to have a ton of fantasy relevance as a standalone play RoS* but his presence on the field will benefit the Lions offense as a whole and Goff in particular.
*I think Jameson should absolutely be rostered. His speed, the surrounding talent and Ben Johnson's schemes absolutely leave the door open enough to risk Jameson in your lineup if you need to take a shot.
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Foosball God
Foos
Their defense is very shabby, but to their credit they have been playing better.
I mean I guess I get the gunner idea given that he did it in college, there are so few active players on an NFL gameday roster, it's an easy way to let him run free to knock some rust, and I'd assume he's way down the current WR depth chart.
If he's still doing it after his first few 6/100/2 days as a WR, then Detroit yet again has no idea what they are doing.
If he's still doing it after his first few 6/100/2 days as a WR, then Detroit yet again has no idea what they are doing.
Chaka
Footballguy
In magic football terms, my league at least, they went from being the worst defense in weeks 1-8, to #7 overall in weeks 9-13
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If Nick Saban allowed his best player to do it why not now. It's not like they rushed him back from injury, all indications is that he is now 100% healed.
Chaka
Footballguy
Because Saban's next man up is also an All American 5-star recruit.
I don't think the Lions have another Jameson waiting in the wings.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
And neither does Saban. Unless you want to give me the name of a Bama WR that's getting drafted in the top 12 next year.
HW_53
Footballguy
I can't remember the last time an NFL team traded up in the draft to nab someone with exceptional 'gunner skills'. Let's hope the Lions come to their senses sooner than later, and nix this whole idea. Jamo's talents are better served with him crossing the goal line than putting his body on the line with each punt.
DropKick
Footballguy
Back in my day, we played both sides of the ball and were better off for it. Heck, we even served beer at halftime.
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skol asylum
Footballguy
Tommy Kramer: Amateurs. We drank beer at halftime. And alot of it.
Chaka
Footballguy
Season isn't over but I also think expectations for this season were way too high for a guy who had an ACL less than a year ago. Forget the injury, the lack of OTAs, TC, in season practice... everything. Throw in being a rookie and it isn't a recipe for big production in 2022.Hate that it’s
That being said, as I said above, season isn't over. He could still have some big moments over the next five games.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Anyone think the next game has any potential?Season isn't over but I also think expectations for this season were way too high for a guy who had an ACL less than a year ago. Forget the injury, the lack of OTAs, TC, in season practice... everything. Throw in being a rookie and it isn't a recipe for big production in 2022.Hate that it’s
That being said, as I said above, season isn't over. He could still have some big moments over the next five games.
Also homers where is he in the pecking order next season?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
#2 behind St. Brown. It helps that Hock is gone and Chark is on a one year. I would expect most targets will go to those two. Only downside is they will probably still run the ball a lot.
Really tough to say without having seen him play yet. But, I'd imagine that St. Brown will get more targets in the short to mid-range (he's certainly earned them), and Jamo will get fewer targets (maybe 6-8 per game), but they'll be deep shots or crossing routes that give him a chance to take it to the house, so could be more valuable in fantasy.Anyone think the next game has any potential?Season isn't over but I also think expectations for this season were way too high for a guy who had an ACL less than a year ago. Forget the injury, the lack of OTAs, TC, in season practice... everything. Throw in being a rookie and it isn't a recipe for big production in 2022.Hate that it’s
That being said, as I said above, season isn't over. He could still have some big moments over the next five games.
Also homers where is he in the pecking order next season?
This is assuming that they don't resign Chark. But Chark's next contract may be more reasonable than we were expecting heading into the season, so it's not impossible. That would cut into Jamo's targets a little, and be one heck of a receiving corps next year if he stays and is healthy.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Anyone think the next game has any potential?Season isn't over but I also think expectations for this season were way too high for a guy who had an ACL less than a year ago. Forget the injury, the lack of OTAs, TC, in season practice... everything. Throw in being a rookie and it isn't a recipe for big production in 2022.Hate that it’s
That being said, as I said above, season isn't over. He could still have some big moments over the next five games.
Also homers where is he in the pecking order next season?
Week 14 - maybe. Last week was acclimation, just getting him used to preparing for a game. 5th in WR snaps (8) and 6 of those were running plays. They ran 11 personnel 79% of the snaps last week (season high) and I expect the same v the Vikings. Williams should see more snaps than Kalif Raymond (who is actually a pretty reliable role player but they'd prefer to use him solely as the return guy), and there's not much comparison between Jamo and the next outside receiver in his way, Josh Reynolds. But I think they prefer to sort of manage his confidence rn. They're big on "time on task", if a player hasn't gotten sufficient reps they need to put in the work to get reps so Jared knows where his breaks are, they run a fair amount of option routes where it's important the WR and QB are on the same page. If I had to guess about snap counts/routes run/targets, I'd say Chandon Sullivan is about to have a double digit tackle game bc they'll pepper ARSB in the slot. I think Chark will play 85% of the snaps at the X and generally they like to use one Z receiver. Except when there have been injuries they've never split the flanker snaps. Logically you would think Jamo would fly by Josh Reynolds and own that role but in a critical game like this one I think this staff prefers to use veterans. Realistically I think Jameson will get 20-30 snaps, which probably translates into 10-18 routes....meaning less than a handful of targets.
Not the best analogy bc he's a 6th round pick/spent the first 11 weeks on the practice squad, but the Lions have an Edge/LB named James Houston who had 2 sacks and a FR in 5 snaps [on Thanksgiving]. Against Jax he picked up another sack - he's been told to not do that skip and dip move but instinct took over - in only 12 snaps. He's probably not going to see a big uptick, they're just getting Romeo Okwara back (10 sacks 2 years ago) and they have a ton of depth at the position. But they also know he's limited in what he can do - he's barely 6', weighs 244, that's not the guy they want setting the edge or dropping off. But he can definitely contribute as a situational pass rusher. Anyway, Aaron Glenn spent a little time this week talking about how Houston is playing with a ton of confidence right now but that's partly bc they limit what they ask him to do. That's by design bc they don't want to put him in positions he can't succeed.
Totally different deal with Jamo as he's a first round pick and is a well rounded player, he's more than just a burner. That said I noticed Ben Johnson's comments this week were in a similar vein to Glenn talking about integrating a rookie recently added to the active roster. They're looking forward to involving him into the offense more. But they also want to manage how much they give him to do. Philosophically I think they want to do a thorough evaluation over the last 5 weeks but there is not a rush to make him a focal point. Team is on a roll and if it ain't broke don't fix it. That said, he brings elements to the game the offense has been lacking so I'm hoping he passes Reynolds soon.
2023 - Chark is on a one year deal, they don't have a good X receiver in the fold right now. Ideally Jamo will be the Z, not sure who the other outside receiver will be. Cephus, Raymond, and Reynolds are all under team control but Jamo should be ahead of them all. Would be shocked if they draft a WR. Regardless of whether they bring D.J. back or sign someone else, Jamo s/b the starting flanker and the #2 option to St Brown.
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themeistersinger
Footballguy
I'm wondering if Dan Campbell is a "rookie got to pay your dues" guy when it comes to the gunner thing. He might also be a guy that thinks vets get to keep their job until the rookie proves he deserves the time first.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
bad read
In 2021, Lions rookies accounted for a total of 6,172 snaps—or 20.9 percent of the team's overall playing time. The next closest team—the New York Jets—had 5,795 rookie snaps. No other team had more than 5K.
This year the Lions are 2nd in defensive rookie snaps. Hutchinson and Rodriguez started taking snaps with the 1s in OTAs. Rookie RG Kayode Awosika has started the last 2 games. There's probably no coach in the league who is more apt to throw a young inexperienced guy in there if he think he's ready.
You can dig up Campbell comments from May talking about the hits Jamo had when he was a gunner at Bama. Not saying that was the plan all along, but it demonstrates he's a kid who will do anything to get on the field. He loves ball - and Dan loves guys who love ball. Not everyone plays this game because love it, the league has a lot of floaters.
It's simply a matter of time on task. He just caught his first pass from Goff 9 days ago. They'll get him in there when he is ready. I have never seen anything that would indicate Campbell is down on using rookies or vets get to keep their job just bc they're vets. The whole staff is big on competition, but who wins those isn't determined by time in service.
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Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Worth the upside potential vs. who on your bench?He was Just dropped for Homer in my league --
Current bench: Sutton, Patterson, Foreman, R. White, Z. Jones, Green Bay -- my WR corps isn't great: DPJ, Z. Jones, Sutton and Chark -- Pretty sure I'm going to start Chark and Zay or DPJ --Worth the upside potential vs. who on your bench?He was Just dropped for Homer in my league --
Have the Bills and Packers D and was planning on playing Packers Week 15 Monday night vs Rams --
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I completely follow your team and your Packers D play. All those players have value. Not sure I could drop anyone for J Williams. I mean, heck, he's going to be eased in and it will take some acclimation and sync of when he comes out of his breaks, etc. He's a nice feeling add, but I'm not sure if I will ever play him this year. Next year, different story likely.Current bench: Sutton, Patterson, Foreman, R. White, Z. Jones, Green Bay -- my WR corps isn't great: DPJ, Z. Jones, Sutton and Chark -- Pretty sure I'm going to start Chark and Zay or DPJ --Worth the upside potential vs. who on your bench?He was Just dropped for Homer in my league --
Have the Bills and Packers D and was planning on playing Packers Week 15 Monday night vs Rams --
