eighsse2
Footballguy
Yeah, that's mostly what I'm expecting. I'd like to just see him out there getting play. Not necessarily exploding onto the scene.
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WR Jameson Williams, DET (1 Viewer)
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Capella
Footballguy
Yea if that’s the case he probably needs 2-3 weeks at least to get up to full speed so it does seem unlikely he contributes much.
Ministry of Pain
Footballguy
Picked up Josh Reynolds who was floating out there for quite a while, someone immediately grabbed Jameson Willaims and I thought I missed some info but it looks like he is a minimum of 2-3 weeks from practice and I'm not trying to be rude but it sounds like it could easily be another month before he will see any real action or large number of snaps and that might be generous. They don't seem to be in a hurry to rush him back and they already have an impactful WR in AMSB
DropKick
Footballguy
There is more reason NOT to see the field, especially as the season winds down and the team's play-off hopes dwindle.
-- Jameson Williams Dynasty Owner
Plus, if he comes back in week 13, you'll be tempted to plug him in and he'll be on a snap count. For the record, I'm also a redraft owner and would love him come back this season as a difference maker. Not so sure it makes sense for the Lions who should have a long term outlook.
Truebluey
Footballguy
Dunno, that seems like a decent offer? I guess it depends on what you think of Ekeler's longetivity prospects.
What’s his value these days?
Got an offer of ekeler and a late 23 1st in SF for Jameson. I might just be a fan but I’m not jumping on it. Of course it doesn’t help that this team is 1-5 even with a decent roster.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
I'm a fan of at least letting a rookie get on the field for a couple games, let him get adjusted to the NFL, instead of being a raw rookie all over again.
rockaction
Footballguy
I stink at this, but I'd take that offer if you're anywhere near contending. That's actually a smash accept if I'm managing the team.
eta* really, that seems like a strong, strong offer for Williams. I'd accept that before he comes to his senses and revokes it.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
He’s at least a month out from playing per Dan Campbell today.
Starting to kinda get the feeling this might end up a redshirt year.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
If I had to guess it would be the final 4-6 weeks of the season. If he's healthy there's no reason not to.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I’m sure he’ll get on the field barring any setbacks. He’s progressing but this has been their plan from Day 1 - basically eating the first year of his cheaper rookie deal. But one thing I’m 100% confident is they won’t reason amongst themselves “well our record is x-xx so let’s pack it in until May OTAs Jameson.” They want to see what they have, and a little late season success this year will be a good building block for him.
Look at how they handled Swift’s second shoulder injury last year. 75-90% of TSP figures they’d shut him down, lost season, why risk it, they started 0-10-1 so why bother. Said all along they wanted him to finish the year. Suited up the last two weeks, albeit in a reduced role.
Just from an ethos standpoint they won’t redshirt Jameson. He will play Dec/Jan games - last 6 games - and maybe 1-2 more around turkey day.
I think fantasy heads forget that these players actually love playing football, and are going to get on the field whenever they are healthy. The only reason to ever sit a player is in the last game of the season with teams moving on to the playoffs and nothing to play for in terms of seeding.
DropKick
Footballguy
Really not trying to be sarcastic and I appreciate that they love the game but... they also love getting paid. The business side of the equation might be to avoid any risk at all in a lost season. And here, the "business side" includes Jameson as well as the Lions.
People keep using the phrase "truly healthy" and I'm not sure what it means. I saw Jerry Rice come back in the SAME season after an ACL only to bust a knee cap upon his return. People do rush back from injury - sometimes for love of the games but they're still not ready. Look at this year's JK Dobbins saga... They waited and waited and thought he was ready and he probably wasn't. In Jameson's case, 21 months removed from injury is far safer than 11 months.. and I'm talking about full confidence in the knee. Will it go that way? Probably not but maybe it should.
ETA: In Rice's case it came out (after the injury) that knee-caps typically thin after ACL injury.
JK Dobbins definitely wasn't ready. Beat writers were saying he was showing signs of injury all through pre-season and Dobbins was grumpy about it to the media. The signs were there. There were no such vibes from Gus Edwards, and he comes back and picks up right where he left off.
When Jameson is ready, he'll play. Period. Getting some games under his belt this year, if possible, is only going to allow him to hit the ground running next season. Remember, he'll be in growth mode over the next three seasons or so.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
All I want for Thanksgiving is to see #9 running 9 routes
After seeing what he did to Georgia's defense last year, how good of a route runner he is, and his insane speed, I think his upside is off the charts no matter who else is on the field. He is capable of taking a 5 yard screen, slant, or crossing route to the house at any given time.
As a Lions fan I can't wait to see him play.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
I'm not sure if zero sum is the way to think about this. Maybe the pie gets bigger.
TartanLion
Footballguy
Josh Reynolds and Kalif Raymond together put up pretty good numbers. You could imagine Jameson coming in and hoovering up the vast majority of their targets. The pie has been pretty big.
And if you are great you take a big piece of the pie.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
There's going be pie? I wish I'd known earlier, I would have had a smaller breakfast.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Looking like week 13+. Not sure he's worth the hold in the IR spot if I have someone else to take that spot. Likely week 15 or so and then, would I play him right out of the box? NO. Some managers may benefit and be in need of a WR #3 / Flex play during fantasy playoffs?
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I would not recommend using a Hoover -- or any other brand of vacuum -- to pick up pie if you plan on eating it
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Lot of red on his schedule when he does play:
SOS projections a month or two out are silly, things change fast in the NFL, injuries happen. He’s talented & his OC gives him a schematic advantage. He can be productive, but it’s very unlikely he’ll be a league winner like ARSB a year ago.
SOS projections a month or two out are silly, things change fast in the NFL, injuries happen. He’s talented & his OC gives him a schematic advantage. He can be productive, but it’s very unlikely he’ll be a league winner like ARSB a year ago.
ignatiusjreilly
Footballguy
I'm holding him for now in one of my two IR slots, but if I needed it for someone else I'd have no problem dropping him. Odds of being able to start him with confidence at any point this year are pretty slim. You'd basically need for him to come in on his first week back (when you're definitely sitting him) and pull an OBJ
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Yeah I was hoping for DAL or MIA coming out of the bye. Can’t blame them, though - you want to set him up for success and make sure he’s confident in his body again. Taking the long view is the right play.
Don't forget his first task is going to be to prove he can block. It's ugh, no doubt, but if he's gonna be a staple of that offense that they bring along properly then his first action will be about blocking well.
If the season is toast at this point, they might have a plan to have him do this route and that route at these depths by the end of the season....a plan to have him do everything so that in year two he's confident.
I really think it'll be more formulaic this year than him simply jumping in, running every play, and winning battles etc.
Maybe he's got a shmoo DB covering him so they go to him a bunch that week to build his confidence and get work in.
The Panthers have former first round picks for DBs. Sauce is rocking. There's gotta be a "be careful not to ask too much" vibe here too. This bird broke his wing and has to get confidence he's just as fast and all that
If the season is toast at this point, they might have a plan to have him do this route and that route at these depths by the end of the season....a plan to have him do everything so that in year two he's confident.
I really think it'll be more formulaic this year than him simply jumping in, running every play, and winning battles etc.
Maybe he's got a shmoo DB covering him so they go to him a bunch that week to build his confidence and get work in.
The Panthers have former first round picks for DBs. Sauce is rocking. There's gotta be a "be careful not to ask too much" vibe here too. This bird broke his wing and has to get confidence he's just as fast and all that
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Same boat here. I’m about ready to cut him to manage my roster with other depth. Definitely some FOMO though as I believe in the talent. I’ll be mad if he puts up big playoff numbers and isn’t on my roster.
The one nice thing about him now is that he is 100% IR eligible. It gets tough to manage guys who are hurt but close to returning. Those questionable mid week statuses for guys who likely won’t play make it difficult to make other roster moves.
undercover
Footballguy
I'm guessing at this point they don't activate him at all this year....if he is not fully healthy in their opinion no reason to risk it with the team going no where.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Uuhh, yeah, that's a TERRIBLE deal for that guy. Take Ekeler and a 1st, jesus. I mean, WOW horrible
The risk is being mitigated by this delay. As long as we know they've been patient and he's been doing his PT (seems so) then I think it would be wise to get him in for a game or two.
Let him see the speed and athleticism of NFL CBs and experience enough so that during the off-season he knows I better work on this n that
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
I agree. If Williams is healthy enough to get the pass to practice and play he will. Screw this holding someone out for next year! Dumb. You drafted the player to perform. I don't care about your record or out of the playoffs. Develop your talent.
Edit: looking at week 13-14 before he sees the field. I have him on IR so what the heck.
DropKick
Footballguy
This past summer, when it was announced that Jameson would start the season on the PUP, at least one person's take was that the "worst case" scenario was that he will return in week 5 and soon take a prominent role in the offense. More like the best case scenario... One delay led to another, then he was "at least a month away" and now we're talking about "some time in December". Let's assume the Lions have 3 or 4 wins, eliminated from play-off contention, and looking at two of four games in potential wintry conditions. Would I expose him to risk of reinjury in game conditions? No. Am I dumb? No. Are the Lions dumb? Maybe.
The Lions drafted an injured player knowing a red shirt rookie season was a possibility. They drafted him for the long haul, they drafted him for his career - not to make a token appearance in meaningless games.
Campbell doesn't sound overly certain here either... "think we're looking"... "trying to forecast"... "I'm hoping"... Even the quote above, which was truncated, was delivered with a caveat - "I think those are critical to get under his belt before next year. If you can do it." So, he isn't ready right now, and he may not be in three more weeks but then comes the magic moment when we is "fully" healed? I don't think it works that way. Healing is a continuum. You need flexibility, strength and conditioning.... We'll see how this plays out... maybe he is "ready" in early December and putting him on the field is more justified. However, I see less and less rationale the later it gets. But, by no means. would it be "dumb" to protect a player coming off a major injury.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Okay and it will be what it will be. Here coach believes it is good for him to get in 2-3 games.
2. DET - Jameson Williams won't play in November
Source: 97.1 FM The Ticket - Will Burchfield
Detroit Lions WR Jameson Williams (knee) continues to make progress from the torn anterior cruciate ligament he suffered 10 months ago, but head coach Dan Campbell told the Stoney and Jansen Show that the team is 'looking at December' before trying to get him into a game.'I think we're looking at December. If I'm trying to forecast here a little bit, I'm hoping sometime in December we get him. ... When he can go, I think it would be good for him to go. He needs some in-game experience, even if it's only for a couple of games - two or three games. I think those are critical to get under his belt before next year if you can do it,' Campbell said.
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Fantasy GMs have been patiently waiting for Williams to get onto the field. The Lions aren't going to rush the rookie into the lineup, especially since he has superstar upside if he plays up to his potential. In December, there might be an opportunity to add him to your fantasy rosters if he's going to get out there to gain valuable experience even though the Lions are in a lost season.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Jamo close, but not this week.
Dan Campbell press conference:
Campbell specifically said not this week but maybe next week. Did not rule out Thanksgiving, but hinted at Jacksonville.
Dan Campbell press conference:
Campbell specifically said not this week but maybe next week. Did not rule out Thanksgiving, but hinted at Jacksonville.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
CBS:
Lions' Jameson Williams: Likely for post-Thanksgiving debut
by RotoWire Staff
(40 mins ago) Coach Dan Campbell said Wednesday that he expects Williams (knee) to be designated for a return from IR at some point after Thanksgiving, making Week 13 versus the Jaguars his earliest possible return date, Eric Woodyard of ESPN.com reports.
Campbell said it's possible that Williams practices before Thanksgiving, but that he doesn't expect the rookie first-round pick to do so, much less take the field Nov. 24 versus Buffalo even if he is activated in time. Woodard reports that Campbell offered either Week 13 versus Jacksonville or Week 14 against the Giants as more realistic return targets for Williams, who Detroit has avoided rushing back from his left ACL tear. The Lions have designated DJ Chark (ankle) to resume practicing Wednesday, so the receiving corps stands to receive a boost even before Williams is ready to contribute.
Lions' Jameson Williams: Likely for post-Thanksgiving debut
by RotoWire Staff
(40 mins ago) Coach Dan Campbell said Wednesday that he expects Williams (knee) to be designated for a return from IR at some point after Thanksgiving, making Week 13 versus the Jaguars his earliest possible return date, Eric Woodyard of ESPN.com reports.
Campbell said it's possible that Williams practices before Thanksgiving, but that he doesn't expect the rookie first-round pick to do so, much less take the field Nov. 24 versus Buffalo even if he is activated in time. Woodard reports that Campbell offered either Week 13 versus Jacksonville or Week 14 against the Giants as more realistic return targets for Williams, who Detroit has avoided rushing back from his left ACL tear. The Lions have designated DJ Chark (ankle) to resume practicing Wednesday, so the receiving corps stands to receive a boost even before Williams is ready to contribute.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Asked what Jameson Williams can provide the Lions this season after missing so much practice time, Dan Campbell says: "I know this: He can run. He can run. You either got it or you don't and he's got it."
MCDC today
The fastest player this season is Kenneth Walker, clocked at 22.1 mph. Last year, Jameson Williams was clocked at 23 mph.
Jamo could become the fastest man in the NFL when he makes his NFL debut, and the Lions can't wait.
MCDC today
The fastest player this season is Kenneth Walker, clocked at 22.1 mph. Last year, Jameson Williams was clocked at 23 mph.
Jamo could become the fastest man in the NFL when he makes his NFL debut, and the Lions can't wait.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Nothing wrong with stretching out the defense. Should give AMSB more room underneath, and maybe keep away a heavy box on the running backs.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
So he's gonna come right back and be the fastest player in the NFL? Alrighty
