Leroy Hoard
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WR Jameson Williams, DET (2 Viewers)
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Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
42 ypc last night.
Dunno why they are wasting time handing it off to plodders
Dunno why they are wasting time handing it off to plodders
zamboni
Footballguy
Seems like his explosiveness is all the way back. My only concern going forward would be volume given all the guys higher up in the pecking order for touches, and obviously only one football to go around.
jm192
Footballguy
I'm gonna stop with the sarcastic replies and try to offer something I see as productive.
1. I don't think you ignore the 40 yard touchdown because it was handed instead of thrown. They put the ball in his hands and he broke a 40 yard touchdown. Last season he had a rush for 40 yards. While I would agree with the premise "you can't count on a 40 yard rush," it's probably replaced by a 40 yard pass the next time.
2. I do typically project rushing touches for receivers that get double digit rushing touches.
My take away from this game: Josh Reynolds struggled and is about to be gone. Jameson scored two touchdowns in the biggest game of his career. He broke 1 long play. He got a red zone touchdown. There's signs of life, and there are reasons to expect a bigger role in 2024.
Signs of life I agree with. Your original statement of 'big things coming' tells a very different future
ghostguy123
Footballguy
He's definitely gonna be more valuable in best ball formats
Grahamburn
Footballguy
Ball skills need some help. Goff dropped that one deep ball right in the breadbasket.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Yep. He’s currently my WR2 or 3 on a rebuilding team which is about to add MH jr and Nabers, I’m excited to have him as my future wr4. But there’s definitely going to be boom and bust.
If you watch Jamo's more recent catches in the playoffs, Goff is throwing to spots and expecting Jamo to get there. That level of trust was not there earlier in the season. I would expect to see a lot more Wamo next season. He needs to be getting at least one touch a game running the ball as he success rate is off the charts. Jamo career rushing stats including playoffs:
5-111-2
Those are insane rushing numbers. 22 yards per carry and an insane 40 percent TD rate. How do you not go back to that well a little more often?
5-111-2
Those are insane rushing numbers. 22 yards per carry and an insane 40 percent TD rate. How do you not go back to that well a little more often?
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greenmountaingoat
Footballguy
Watching him play for the first time last weekend, he’s like a big puppy. He’s big, fast and plenty strong but the overall coordination seems like a work in progress. His micro reactions are a tick slow. Quick take is he needs to work his butt off to unlock the ridiculous ceiling that his raw talent would allow. To date, injuries and self inflicted obstacles have made that challenging. He needs to be Edelman and follow Goff around all offseason.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
40 yard TDS of any flavor 100% get considered. If the guy has the ability to create points from thin air he has the ability to create points from thin air. How he gets his touches is irrelevant. Nevermind the fact that if he's effective at running these plays DET is going to continue to run them. I've seen many mic'd up coaches and I've never seen one say "ok, that's clearly an effective way to use the guy, let's stop doing that now".
zamboni
Footballguy
To me, that's basically his ceiling. Just hard to see him drawing a ton of targets when you've got ARSB, LaPorta and Gibbs getting theirs. He's probably going to have to maximize his efficiency on a limited number of touches. As someone stated above, he's probably best suited for best ball leagues.
Detroit thinks he's so great he got 2 whole catches...
You draft how you want to draft but I'll take the guy that actually gets catches.
That's an extreme ceiling situation if you ask me...I don't think he will see Djax numbers.
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
I'm back on the Jamo train. I feel his talents got unlocked in the 49ers game, and he relocated his mojo.
Big time players make big time plays in big time games.
Big time players make big time plays in big time games.
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
I hope you’re right. He seems like a talented guy who could thrive in the right setting.
What would a good Jamo year look like to you? How many catches/yards/TDs?
Gruden's Keyboard
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Ben & Jerry's
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Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
They'll draft another guy and it'll be a mess. He'll be the potential 4th option, at very best the 3rd. Obviously depends on your league settings but the 3rd option on a run first team is not what you generally should be buying.
Alex P Keaton
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Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
1 Super Bowl appearance.To rephrase, what stats would you consider a good 2024 for Jamo?Jameson Williams ð¥ Ultimate Highlights á´´á´°
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Not sure why you keep dodging the question1 Super Bowl appearance.To rephrase, what stats would you consider a good 2024 for Jamo?Jameson Williams ð¥ Ultimate Highlights á´´á´°
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Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
The Lions under Dan Campbell have a team first mentality bud, team success is what matters. Ben Johnson really knows his stuff too...
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Well, this is a fantasy football site. And you wrote that you are back on the Jamo train. So I’m trying to understand how this might translate for fantasy football. If you don’t see him performing for fantasy purposes, that’s fine too. Just trying to follow along, that’s all.The Lions under Dan Campbell have a team first mentality bud, team success is what matters. Ben Johnson really knows his stuff too...
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
Read what zamboni said 5 posts up.
Moonlight
Footballguy
I’m a Detroit fan. I want Jamo to do well but he hasn’t shown consistency or reliability yet.
Pretty sure Lions will be drafting a receiver as well.
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
I would draft a WR every year, but that's just me.
Something I heard this week more than a few times: Detroit believes Jameson Williams is going to be a dude next year. And uh, to be clear: That’s the first time I’ve heard that type of firm optimism about Williams from Lions people in honest moments since he got there.
You haven't listened to very many Dan Campbell press conferences, have you?dude or dud? Who uses dude in a sentence like that? wouldn't you say stud? but again, real close to a spell check change from dud.
beef
Footballguy
no. so I should be getting excited?!You haven't listened to very many Dan Campbell press conferences, have you?
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Interesting. Would love to hear how folks see this translating into stat projections for him.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
I don’t think it translates into anything people hoped for when he came out as a rookie but he’s probably a nice best ball player because he has clearly demonstrated he’s capable of making huge plays at the NFL level.
I read that tweet a few weeks ago, a few drafts ago, and since that time I've drafted Jameson once and it was a Best Ball league as WR47 and my WR3.
So for me, without getting into projections, I still would view him as someone I like better in BB but still not overly high on him. An ok gamble late in drafts, not a priority or target.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Yeah, I just don’t see who he takes targets from to become anything more than that…
eighsse2
Footballguy
While I do mostly agree, and the chalk makes it sound laughable, but St. Brown and LaPorta had over 280 targets between them last year. Whether due to some random injury or just gameplan, those are definitely numbers that can decrease. But again, I know nobody is expecting them to decrease, because, they did so well, why would you not throw their way just as much, or more?
Gruden's Keyboard
Footballguy
@Alex P Keaton
Sure there's only 1 football, and multiple mouths to feed, but Jameson has the talent to take any touch to the end zone.
Sure there's only 1 football, and multiple mouths to feed, but Jameson has the talent to take any touch to the end zone.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Josh Reynolds did have 40 catches last year.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Well yeah, sure, he could have 40 catches. I’m just trying to gauge what people expect when they exhibit excitement about Jamo.
eighsse2
Footballguy
Basically I think he means those are 40 catches (64 targets) that are vacated by Reynolds' departure. Jameson had 42 targets on 3/4 of a season already.
FWIW I am most leery of a decrease in ASB's target share.
Now, I thought that would be the case last year and it was not, in fact increased his usage. I just think that with Laporta and Gibbs entering year two and having more of a full off-season of knowing what they got they will incorporate them more. Along with Jamo maybe rising (as well as potentially shortening some drives with huge chunk plays) something has to give and I just think it's most likely to come off the guy getting over 10 targets a game, someone who is witin .2 targets a game of being the second most targetted player in the league. That's just a pretty high area to be on a team with other quality options.
