WR Jameson Williams, DET (2 Viewers)

[BobbyLayne]

Detroit police investigate why Detroit Lions WR Jameson Williams avoided arrest after gun found in car​

Can't see the article

Really?

OK, he and his brother were pulled over. Brother has gun on the back seat, which is licensed to him & he has a concealed carry license.

Jamo had a second gun under the passenger seat. It’s licensed to him but no concealed carry. Cops cuff him but before taking him in a Sargent shows up.

The arresting cops don’t know who he is and don’t care. The Sargent is a fan and starts making calls. For 30 minutes. Eventually he finds a Lieutenant who authorizes him to let him walk. No paperwork filed.

Somehow local news found out & now it’s being investigated internally by Detroit Police.

Happened on a Tuesday night (October 8) around midnight. Jamo lives in Detroit, not the suburbs, so I get it, but no idea why if his brother was able to get a CCW, why he didn’t also?

 

[Ilov80s]

Fun player but he’s so not a serious adult

 

[kutta]

Detroit police investigate why Detroit Lions WR Jameson Williams avoided arrest after gun found in car​

Can't see the article

Really?

OK, he and his brother were pulled over. Brother has gun on the back seat, which is licensed to him & he has a concealed carry license.

Jamo had a second gun under the passenger seat. It’s licensed to him but no concealed carry. Cops cuff him but before taking him in a Sargent shows up.

The arresting cops don’t know who he is and don’t care. The Sargent is a fan and starts making calls. For 30 minutes. Eventually he finds a Lieutenant who authorizes him to let him walk. No paperwork filed.

Somehow local news found out & now it’s being investigated internally by Detroit Police.

Happened on a Tuesday night (October 8) around midnight. Jamo lives in Detroit, not the suburbs, so I get it, but no idea why if his brother was able to get a CCW, why he didn’t also?

ugh

 

[Uncle Leo]

Is he playing on 2 weeks? A Goff owner I know wants to know.

 

[psychobillies]

Detroit police investigate why Detroit Lions WR Jameson Williams avoided arrest after gun found in car​

Can't see the article

Really?

OK, he and his brother were pulled over. Brother has gun on the back seat, which is licensed to him & he has a concealed carry license.

Jamo had a second gun under the passenger seat. It’s licensed to him but no concealed carry. Cops cuff him but before taking him in a Sargent shows up.

The arresting cops don’t know who he is and don’t care. The Sargent is a fan and starts making calls. For 30 minutes. Eventually he finds a Lieutenant who authorizes him to let him walk. No paperwork filed.

Somehow local news found out & now it’s being investigated internally by Detroit Police.

Happened on a Tuesday night (October 8) around midnight. Jamo lives in Detroit, not the suburbs, so I get it, but no idea why if his brother was able to get a CCW, why he didn’t also?

Weird that it's even a crime unless there were drugs in the car.

 

[TartanLion]

Think I’m just going to ignore this thread for a while and hope it goes away

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Report: Police Investigating Jameson Williams Avoiding Gun Arrest

Detroit police investigating incident involving Jameson Williams.

www.si.com

-I feel like TLJ in The Fugitive when he discovers Kimble's apartment/room and starts going thru the trash and says "What have we here, eating oranges and making IDs"

 

[BobbyLayne]

Dan Campbell knew about the incident and said he trusts him.

 

[massraider]

Jameson with a timely Halloween costume.

So what we got on the old scoreboard?

• Gambling
• Guns
• Adderall?

My rule of thumb, usually, is that if I feel I need to organize WR red flags with bullet points, I add to my sell list.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jameson with a timely Halloween costume.

So what we got on the old scoreboard?

• Gambling
• Guns
• Adderall?

My rule of thumb, usually, is that if I feel I need to organize WR red flags with bullet points, I add to my sell list.

Crime:

slayptr

 

[Football Jones]

Jamo didn’t realize you couldn’t gamble…Jamo was uninformed about the PED policy…my guess is Jamo wasn't aware of the local gun laws...

LOL. He doesn't seem to fit their perceived culture, but when you're talented, you get more chances. It's nothing new.

It'll be interesting to see how his career turns out.

 

[ratbast]

Nobody in my league will buy him, I’m stuck with this kid. Might drop for Tillman.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

WR 45 in ppr

 

[Uncle Leo]

Nobody in my league will buy him, I’m stuck with this kid. Might drop for Tillman.

Might?

 

[phandango]

WR 45 in ppr

In points per game, he's around WR30-31, which would be more accurate, since he's had his bye and missed a game due to suspension, while other players haven't even had a bye yet. He was being drafted around WR45 in PPR redrafts.

 

[scothawk]

WR 45 in ppr

In points per game, he's around WR30-31, which would be more accurate, since he's had his bye and missed a game due to suspension, while other players haven't even had a bye yet. He was being drafted around WR45 in PPR redrafts.

PPG dont matter when you have repetitive legal problems and can't stay on the field.

 

[kutta]

WR 45 in ppr

In points per game, he's around WR30-31, which would be more accurate, since he's had his bye and missed a game due to suspension, while other players haven't even had a bye yet. He was being drafted around WR45 in PPR redrafts.

There’s no “outs” in the bet up thread. He’s gotta finish top 40.

 

[JoeJoe88]

Seems like a massive DA.

I’d be getting out in dynasty while I still could.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Detroit police investigate why Detroit Lions WR Jameson Williams avoided arrest after gun found in car​

Can't see the article

Really?

OK, he and his brother were pulled over. Brother has gun on the back seat, which is licensed to him & he has a concealed carry license.

Jamo had a second gun under the passenger seat. It’s licensed to him but no concealed carry. Cops cuff him but before taking him in a Sargent shows up.

The arresting cops don’t know who he is and don’t care. The Sargent is a fan and starts making calls. For 30 minutes. Eventually he finds a Lieutenant who authorizes him to let him walk. No paperwork filed.

Somehow local news found out & now it’s being investigated internally by Detroit Police.

Happened on a Tuesday night (October 8) around midnight. Jamo lives in Detroit, not the suburbs, so I get it, but no idea why if his brother was able to get a CCW, why he didn’t also?

Weird that it's even a crime unless there were drugs in the car.

Possible felony. Since he doesn't have a CPL, needed to be in a gun case in the trunk. Brother having his in the vehicle was a non-issue because he has his CPL.

Super easy to get a CPL in Michigan. 10 million residents, 756,000 have their CPL. They also have reciprocity with just about everybody so he would have been good even with an out-of-state license.

Spoiler: Michigan law - CPL

When Is It Legal to Carry a Loaded Gun in a Motor Vehicle in Michigan?​

In general, law-abiding citizens are legally permitted to carry pistols in their vehicles, as long as they follow the restrictions set forth by Michigan law. These restrictions differ, based on whether an individual is a CPL holder. Nevertheless, regardless of CPL status, Michigan law only allows pistols and other firearms to be transported for “lawful” purposes. These include (and are not limited to):

• Protection
• Hunting or shooting practice
• Traveling to or from a gun show or a firearm repair shop

Carrying a Firearm in a Motor Vehicle: Rules for CPL Holders​

According to Michigan law, there is no way to openly carry a firearm within a motor vehicle. As a result, it’s necessary to have a valid concealed pistol license in Michigan in order to legally carry a loaded pistol in motor vehicles. This goes for Michiganders, as well as out-of-staters who hold an equivalent CPL in their home state, as long as that state has a reciprocity agreement with Michigan.

Carrying a Firearm in a Motor Vehicle: Rules for Non-CPL Holders​

For those who don’t have a CPL, carrying a pistol in a motor vehicle can still be in full compliance with the law as long as the firearm is:

• Not loaded
• Kept in a case specifically designed for firearms
• In an area of the vehicle that cannot be accessed from the vehicle’s cabin (such as the trunk)

In the case of other legal firearms (that are not pistols), non-CPL holders must transport them the same way—unloaded, encased, and inaccessible from the vehicle’s cabin.

What Charges Are Filed for Illegal Possession of a Weapon in Motor Vehicle?​

The charges for this weapons offense will depend on a number of factors, like whether:

• The accused individual was allegedly transporting an illegal firearm.
• The firearm was loaded and/or accessible from the vehicle cabin.
• The accused is able to show proof of a CPL and/or driver’s license during a traffic stop.

Generally, the charges for illegal possession of a weapon in a motor vehicle can vary, being filed as:

• A misdemeanor if the firearm is not encased or unloaded.
• A felony if a non-CPL holder has access to the firearm from the cabin of a vehicle.

For both misdemeanor and felony charges, incarceration and expensive fines can be imposed in the event of a conviction.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Statement from Detroit Lions

He made them aware immediately. League was notified.

 

[Zeppelin]

 

[rockaction]

So glad my trade offer for Parsons got rejected and I wound up with Brian Thomas, Jr. who may or may not have skeletons of his own.

We will see.

But right now? Hooo baby am I happy about that.

 

[Navin Johnson]

WR 45 in ppr

In points per game, he's around WR30-31, which would be more accurate, since he's had his bye and missed a game due to suspension, while other players haven't even had a bye yet. He was being drafted around WR45 in PPR redrafts.

PPG dont matter when you have repetitive legal problems and can't stay on the field.

So you start guys who are inactive? That's a bold move, Cotton.

 

[rockaction]

WR 45 in ppr

In points per game, he's around WR30-31, which would be more accurate, since he's had his bye and missed a game due to suspension, while other players haven't even had a bye yet. He was being drafted around WR45 in PPR redrafts.

PPG dont matter when you have repetitive legal problems and can't stay on the field.

So you start guys who are inactive? That's a bold move, Cotton.

No he’s saying that being available is the best thing because you can’t score points unless you’re in your own team’s lineup.

You’re useless as a fantasy player that way.

 

[Navin Johnson]

WR 45 in ppr

In points per game, he's around WR30-31, which would be more accurate, since he's had his bye and missed a game due to suspension, while other players haven't even had a bye yet. He was being drafted around WR45 in PPR redrafts.

PPG dont matter when you have repetitive legal problems and can't stay on the field.

So you start guys who are inactive? That's a bold move, Cotton.

No he’s saying that being available is the best thing because you can’t score points unless you’re in your own team’s lineup.

You’re useless as a fantasy player that way.

Then say that. Quantifying him as WR45 is a disingenuous argument.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

WR 45 in ppr

In points per game, he's around WR30-31, which would be more accurate, since he's had his bye and missed a game due to suspension, while other players haven't even had a bye yet. He was being drafted around WR45 in PPR redrafts.

PPG dont matter when you have repetitive legal problems and can't stay on the field.

So you start guys who are inactive? That's a bold move, Cotton.

No he’s saying that being available is the best thing because you can’t score points unless you’re in your own team’s lineup.

You’re useless as a fantasy player that way.

Then say that. Quantifying him as WR45 is a disingenuous argument.

We had to read “people ranked him as wr 51??!!!!!!!11!!!” 40 times. Now he’s WR 45. Maybe they knew what they were doing

 

[rockaction]

WR 45 in ppr

In points per game, he's around WR30-31, which would be more accurate, since he's had his bye and missed a game due to suspension, while other players haven't even had a bye yet. He was being drafted around WR45 in PPR redrafts.

PPG dont matter when you have repetitive legal problems and can't stay on the field.

So you start guys who are inactive? That's a bold move, Cotton.

No he’s saying that being available is the best thing because you can’t score points unless you’re in your own team’s lineup.

You’re useless as a fantasy player that way.

Then say that. Quantifying him as WR45 is a disingenuous argument.

I think I know what you’re trying to say. Most industry analysts use PPG because the theory is:

All guys will miss games and injuries are random
You can better see someone’s in-game effectiveness with PPG

Like many theories that make assumptions, this doesn’t hold for our Jaymo here

Jaymo gets suspended frequently - this makes the randomness of injuries or missed games a moot point and bad assumption

And that’s about it. Now, normally PPG, with its assumptions, and variance (the disparity in points scored from one game to the next) are two things to take into account when doing a high-level analysis, but in this case PPG isn’t and then his variance is bad. The PPG is absent an assumption and the variance of Jaymo is indeed wildly swinging.

So whoever is arguing PPY, or points per year, isn’t being disingenuous, which goes to his motive (don’t personalize arguments and you’ll get much better responses, by the way). He’s trying to say something without using the words and concepts that I did. But he isn’t trying to mislead or lie about Jaymo.

 

[rockaction]

What’s crazy about this is when has Internal Affairs been called upon to punish a guy further? Usually police malfeasance has a victim. Good to see that IA is on the case. I’m sort of surprised by that whole process. Somebody up the chain got pissed at the favor being made because he was on the Lions. Wonder what’s going to happen to that cop (whose name was released to the public - holy ****) when he steps into public? Can you all believe that?

“Yeah, I don’t think we punished the WR with the registered gun enough. I know he happens to be a really important part of our civic pride when we otherwise don’t have much, but let’s haul his *** in front of the justice system"

I do not envy the guy who made that call.

 

[zoonation]

With Nico coming back next week I just cut him for Corum as an insurance play.

 

[rockaction]

With Nico coming back next week I just cut him for Corum as an insurance play.

I assume you have Kyren, then. You cut him for a handcuff?

Huh. Interesting. I have no idea about your rooster or league so no judgment, but isn’t that sort of drastic?

 

[Cowboysfan8]

I have no idea about your rooster

This gets me every damn time

 

[BobbyLayne]

[Justin Rogers]

Speaking about Williams' pending suspension last week, and almost certainly aware of the gun incident earlier that month, Lions coach Dan Campbell offered strong support for his player.

“Here’s what I can tell you is I trust this kid,” Campbell said. “I trust him, and, unfortunately, you’ve got to pay for your sins. Something happens and if this comes down, then so be it, but I know this, we dangled the rope down on the way up. We can’t wait for anybody, and over a year ago he started climbing his way up and he got to us, and maybe he lost his grip, but he’ll climb back up again."

“…That rope’s still there, it’s tied to us, and he’ll be just fine,” Campbell said. “He's part of this team and I trust him. …He and I have enough dialogue, enough things that have happened, I know when he tells me something, I know what it is, and that’s the best way I can say it. And so, look, this happened, it is what it is, and move on. But I do, and he’s put the work in, and he’s put his best foot forward and, like I say, he lost his grip. He’ll be back.”

 

[Gally]

I think I know what you’re trying to say. Most industry analysts use PPG because the theory is:

All guys will miss games and injuries are random
You can better see someone’s in-game effectiveness with PPG

Like many theories that make assumptions, this doesn’t hold for our Jaymo here

Jaymo gets suspended frequently - this makes the randomness of injuries or missed games a moot point and bad assumption

I disagree with this. Whether you are suspended or out with injury you are still out. The reason really doesn't matter all that much. To say he gets suspended "frequently" is also a bit disingenuous. Getting hit with a gambling suspension when it's brand new and not well known and getting suspended for taking medication you are allowed to take with a waiver that didn't take place isn't really what I would plan for as someone that is "frequently suspended".

The guy is good when on the field. There is value in that. Guys cutting him seem a little short sighted at this point. Basing his value on PPG is a valid argument

 

[beef]

Jamo is a STUD in my "Ways players will miss games" Bingo Card Dynasty League.

 

[Wrigley]

dropped him for McConkey

 

[zoonation]

With Nico coming back next week I just cut him for Corum as an insurance play.

I assume you have Kyren, then. You cut him for a handcuff?

Huh. Interesting. I have no idea about your rooster or league so no judgment, but isn’t that sort of drastic?

I do have Kyren. And no FAAB. So if he goes down I am screwed. And I will not be playing Williams over Jennings or Higgins going forward. I am 7-1 and gearing up for the playoffs. And, Williams has 4 or less targets in his last 4 starts. Not the type of guy I am trying to get in my lineup.

 

[zoonation]

dropped him for McConkey

no brainer.

 

[eighsse2]

I assume any "dropping him for ____" is redraft, no way he's the lowest player on a dynasty roster.

 

[rockaction]

I think I know what you’re trying to say. Most industry analysts use PPG because the theory is:

All guys will miss games and injuries are random
You can better see someone’s in-game effectiveness with PPG

Like many theories that make assumptions, this doesn’t hold for our Jaymo here

Jaymo gets suspended frequently - this makes the randomness of injuries or missed games a moot point and bad assumption

I disagree with this. Whether you are suspended or out with injury you are still out. The reason really doesn't matter all that much. To say he gets suspended "frequently" is also a bit disingenuous. Getting hit with a gambling suspension when it's brand new and not well known and getting suspended for taking medication you are allowed to take with a waiver that didn't take place isn't really what I would plan for as someone that is "frequently suspended".

The guy is good when on the field. There is value in that. Guys cutting him seem a little short sighted at this point. Basing his value on PPG is a valid argument

Right. You’re still out (not playing) and there’s no randomness to it. That means you have no production for your fantasy squad and you were completely in control of whether or not you were on the field. I’m not being disingenuous nor inaccurate. He’s now about to miss eight games in two years. All for things totally under his control. PPG assumes randomness or things beyond your control. That’s the whole point of the measurement.

He’s also now about to be arrested and tried for concealed carry.

PPG is certainly a predictive way to measure this guy. But I wouldn’t. He’s been in full control of his situation as an adult and is going to be working on his third suspension.

eta* As far as cutting him, I sort of didn’t want to comment on that because it’s commenting on somebody’s concrete decision. I wouldn’t cut him. That seems, as I said, drastic. But I don’t and didn’t know the person’s situation. Cutting him in dynasty is almost a universal no-no and I don’t see why anybody would do it. Nor is anybody arguing for that here.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I think I know what you’re trying to say. Most industry analysts use PPG because the theory is:

All guys will miss games and injuries are random
You can better see someone’s in-game effectiveness with PPG

Like many theories that make assumptions, this doesn’t hold for our Jaymo here

Jaymo gets suspended frequently - this makes the randomness of injuries or missed games a moot point and bad assumption

I disagree with this. Whether you are suspended or out with injury you are still out. The reason really doesn't matter all that much. To say he gets suspended "frequently" is also a bit disingenuous. Getting hit with a gambling suspension when it's brand new and not well known and getting suspended for taking medication you are allowed to take with a waiver that didn't take place isn't really what I would plan for as someone that is "frequently suspended".

The guy is good when on the field. There is value in that. Guys cutting him seem a little short sighted at this point. Basing his value on PPG is a valid argument

Right. You’re still out (not playing) and there’s no randomness to it. That means you have no production for your fantasy squad and you were completely in control of whether or not you were on the field. I’m not being disingenuous nor inaccurate. He’s now about to miss eight games in two years. All for things totally under his control. PPG assumes randomness or things beyond your control. That’s the whole point of the measurement.

He’s also now about to be arrested and tried for concealed carry.

PPG is certainly a predictive way to measure this guy. But I wouldn’t. He’s been in full control of his situation as an adult and is going to be working on his third suspension.

eta* As far as cutting him, I sort of didn’t want to comment on that because it’s commenting on somebody’s concrete decision. I wouldn’t cut him. That seems, as I said, drastic. But I don’t and didn’t know the person’s situation. Cutting him in dynasty is almost a universal no-no and I don’t see why anybody would do it. Nor is anybody arguing for that here.

But you need to evaluate his worth when he's on the field as well as weigh the odds that he won't be on the field. Citing his drop on the PPY ladder serves zero purpose

 

[eighsse2]

As to the ppg vs ppy debate: Would you rather have a group of four players who generally play 50% of their games and score 25 ppg, or 4 players who play 100% of their games and score 12.5 ppg? Genuine question (though maybe not very realistic, more theoretical), but I know which way I'd go.

 

[Pietaster2]

I don't want to upset anyone in this thread who holds Jamo shares, but you all will be the most knowledgeable for this question:

Who is the Lions WR to go for after in redraft at this point? Tim Patrick or Kalif Raymond?

Or is the offense so run heavy now with so many pass catchers mouths to feed that neither will really hold much value?

 

[Gally]

As to the ppg vs ppy debate: Would you rather have a group of four players who generally play 50% of their games and score 25 ppg, or 4 players who play 100% of their games and score 12.5 ppg? Genuine question (though maybe not very realistic, more theoretical), but I know which way I'd go.

How many starting spots am I trying to fill with these four guys?

in general I want a mix of those guys assuming I don't need all 4 to start every game. I don't want all guys that play 50% but I do want some that have 25ppg averages so that when they do play I can put them in. Whether I want a 3 vs 1 distro depends if I am looking for 2, 3, or 4 lineup spots.

 

[rockaction]

I think I know what you’re trying to say. Most industry analysts use PPG because the theory is:

All guys will miss games and injuries are random
You can better see someone’s in-game effectiveness with PPG

Like many theories that make assumptions, this doesn’t hold for our Jaymo here

Jaymo gets suspended frequently - this makes the randomness of injuries or missed games a moot point and bad assumption

I disagree with this. Whether you are suspended or out with injury you are still out. The reason really doesn't matter all that much. To say he gets suspended "frequently" is also a bit disingenuous. Getting hit with a gambling suspension when it's brand new and not well known and getting suspended for taking medication you are allowed to take with a waiver that didn't take place isn't really what I would plan for as someone that is "frequently suspended".

The guy is good when on the field. There is value in that. Guys cutting him seem a little short sighted at this point. Basing his value on PPG is a valid argument

Right. You’re still out (not playing) and there’s no randomness to it. That means you have no production for your fantasy squad and you were completely in control of whether or not you were on the field. I’m not being disingenuous nor inaccurate. He’s now about to miss eight games in two years. All for things totally under his control. PPG assumes randomness or things beyond your control. That’s the whole point of the measurement.

He’s also now about to be arrested and tried for concealed carry.

PPG is certainly a predictive way to measure this guy. But I wouldn’t. He’s been in full control of his situation as an adult and is going to be working on his third suspension.

eta* As far as cutting him, I sort of didn’t want to comment on that because it’s commenting on somebody’s concrete decision. I wouldn’t cut him. That seems, as I said, drastic. But I don’t and didn’t know the person’s situation. Cutting him in dynasty is almost a universal no-no and I don’t see why anybody would do it. Nor is anybody arguing for that here.

But you need to evaluate his worth when he's on the field as well as weigh the odds that he won't be on the field. Citing his drop on the PPY ladder serves zero purpose

Yes, and you need to know how often he’ll be on the field to ascertain his true worth. PPG is designed to be a predictive stat, PPY is designed to measure true worth. But PPG has limitations. Jaymo is a screaming example of those limitations.

 

[Gally]

PPG is certainly a predictive way to measure this guy. But I wouldn’t. He’s been in full control of his situation as an adult and is going to be working on his third suspension.

I wouldn't agree that he has been in "full control" of his suspension situations. I will agree that he should have been smarter or asked more questions or been more of an adult etc. However, the gambling suspension was odd and I would say not repeatable. The adderall situation also seems odd in that he can take it with a waiver but the waiver wasn't filed properly or something odd there.

Having a registered gun in his car also seems like an odd thing in that if you have a registered gun and are transporting it from one house to another what else are you supposed to do with it? Did he advise the cops he had a weapon? Did he try and keep it from them? This sounds like more of a misunderstanding than anything else and another odd thing.

I get that having odd things happen all the time eventually means that it's not so odd and this person has issues but taking each situation and looking at why and how they happened it doesn't seem like he was "in full control". More sounds like a bad sitcom with stupid misunderstandings leading to chaos.

 

[Gally]

Yes, and you need to know how often he’ll be on the field to ascertain his true worth. PPG is designed to be a predictive stat, PPY is designed to measure true worth. But PPG has limitations. Jaymo is a screaming example of those limitations.

I don't think either stat is designed to measure "true worth". I think all parameters are factored into someone to then evaluate their "true worth". PPG and PPY are both parameters to be factored in and neither are great taken in isolation.

 

[rockaction]

Yes, and you need to know how often he’ll be on the field to ascertain his true worth. PPG is designed to be a predictive stat, PPY is designed to measure true worth. But PPG has limitations. Jaymo is a screaming example of those limitations.

I don't think either stat is designed to measure "true worth". I think all parameters are factored into someone to then evaluate their "true worth". PPG and PPY are both parameters to be factored in and neither are great taken in isolation.

How else to measure a player’s fantasy worth other points per game, how many games played (resulting in a basic PPY evaluation of PPG*G), and variance? I can’t think of any.

Maybe opportunities like targets or carries, but I’m talking overall here. The big categories.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I don't want to upset anyone in this thread who holds Jamo shares, but you all will be the most knowledgeable for this question:

Who is the Lions WR to go for after in redraft at this point? Tim Patrick or Kalif Raymond?

Or is the offense so run heavy now with so many pass catchers mouths to feed that neither will really hold much value?

The time to play Raymond (I posted it in his player thread) was last week. The Lions have 5 permanent captains & make someone an honorary 6th when they’re playing their old team. I wasn’t predicting Kalif would come within 19 yards of the all-time PR record but his TD reception was something I felt like Ben Johnson made a goal for the week. Just like both TEs got a TD on N’tl TEs Day.

Patrick was 2nd in snaps and routes run but got shut out, 1 target 0 receptions. I actually think they’ll feature him a bit this week and didn’t want to tip their hand Week 8.

But you basically have four designated TD guys, five when Jamo comes back. So it’s a crap shoot for anyone outside 5, 9, 14, 26 & 87.

 

[Gally]

How else to measure a player’s fantasy worth other points per game, how many games played (resulting in a basic PPY evaluation of PPG*G), and variance? I can’t think of any.

Maybe opportunities like targets or carries, but I’m talking overall here. The big categories.

Snaps, routes, variance, targets/touches, team offensive success, etc. There are many factors that go into a player evaluation that affect PPG and PPY values. Those don't tell the whole story and neither is better or worse then the other. Just different and for different purposes.

 

[rockaction]

There are many factors that go into a player evaluation

Yeah, I know that. But how to measure their actual contribution besides points (per game or year) and variance? There isn’t.

You can’t say “Jaymo ran a lot of routes therefore he was good for my fantasy team.”

You can only say “Jaymo ran a lot of routes which is correlated with success in the future for my fantasy team.”

eta* And I see the reason I got pulled into the argument was exactly this future/predictive notion. Guys are stating what he’s been. That’s indisputable. He’s WR45. Some guy comes in and starts arguing (paraphrase), “You can’t do that, it’s PPG."

I’m on the PPY side because what PPG does is give you a predictive notion of what the player might be. That’s what that stat is useful for. That’s why the industry uses it. The only way to measure a player’s performance over the year and cumulatively is PPY.

If we’re not understanding that then there’s no need to derail the thread. I’m pretty sure it’s a communication problem if we don’t agree at this point. If you read the whole thread, Cowboysfan8 says “WR45.” That’s it. That’s all he says. He’s saying that’s what he is on the year. And thus Jaymo is WR45. Nothing else. Not 13.4 PPG and WR 30 if he woulda coulda shoulda, but WR45.

We weren’t trying to ascertain dropping him or not until way later in the conversation, and it was a separate conversation that I got involved in for a brief moment.