WR Jameson Williams, DET (2 Viewers)

[Ray_T]

Not a WR3-type week by any definition. His Week 10 was 41st best among WR for that week in PPR scoring, for 8.3 points.

ok we are splitting hairs here. the difference between a high end WR4 and a low end WR3 is nominal. if you start a WR3 and got that statline youd be ok with it. not thrillled.... but ok

granted you kind of want more but its not a performance that(by itself) will likely cause you to lose. but its not gonna win anything for you either.

You and I were on the same page back in August as far as Jamo being more of a high variance type of receiver in fantasy.

The reason I’m picking nits here is because the gentleman I was responding to has continually moved the goal posts as far as what our expectations for Jamo should be, earlier projecting a ceiling of around 1,400 total yards and 12 TD’s. That Jamo is going to be a fantasy WR2 at worst this season and anyone thinking otherwise is brain-dead and can’t see the breakout that’s coming. I wanted to believe but it just aint happening.

In half-PPR Jamo is currently the WR40 on the season, and was drafted at an ADP of WR48. There is a slight profit there but not this league-winning revelation that us Jamo owners were hoping for. Basically getting what you paid for rather than something more. 3/53/0 is something I’d be thrilled with from my TE given the fantasy landscape these days, but subpar for a WR. So far it’s been 4 impactful games, 1 mediocre game, 2 goose egg performances, and another 2 games lost due to suspension. Jamo is closer to matching the value he was drafted at in redraft leagues than he is at exceeding it, and I’m losing hope that he’s going to be used as anything more than a gimmick on this offense. Special talent but underwhelming production, regardless of the reasons/excuses behind it.

I know. hes a Lions homer so he sees the situation with rose colored glasses. Thats ok.

I personally try to look out for my own biases and try to stay out of situations where my bias can hurt me. for example in hockey, I'm an Edmonton Oilers fan and I try not to pick Oilers for my hockey pools simply because I'm prone to overvaluing them a bit.

Not all people do this but if you have a bias and you know it you need to stop it from losing your draft for you. lol.
I get your point. dont disagree but sometimes its just better to pick your battles too. This is one where I might have let it be. but hey, sometimes in the discussion sometimes someone will press your buttons and its hard to let it go. Either way..... I take no offense.

 

[Lansdowne]

Not a WR3-type week by any definition. His Week 10 was 41st best among WR for that week in PPR scoring, for 8.3 points.

ok we are splitting hairs here. the difference between a high end WR4 and a low end WR3 is nominal. if you start a WR3 and got that statline youd be ok with it. not thrillled.... but ok

granted you kind of want more but its not a performance that(by itself) will likely cause you to lose. but its not gonna win anything for you either.

You and I were on the same page back in August as far as Jamo being more of a high variance type of receiver in fantasy.

The reason I’m picking nits here is because the gentleman I was responding to has continually moved the goal posts as far as what our expectations for Jamo should be, earlier projecting a ceiling of around 1,400 total yards and 12 TD’s. That Jamo is going to be a fantasy WR2 at worst this season and anyone thinking otherwise is brain-dead and can’t see the breakout that’s coming. I wanted to believe but it just aint happening.

In half-PPR Jamo is currently the WR40 on the season, and was drafted at an ADP of WR48. There is a slight profit there but not this league-winning revelation that us Jamo owners were hoping for. Basically getting what you paid for rather than something more. 3/53/0 is something I’d be thrilled with from my TE given the fantasy landscape these days, but subpar for a WR. So far it’s been 4 impactful games, 1 mediocre game, 2 goose egg performances, and another 2 games lost due to suspension. Jamo is closer to matching the value he was drafted at in redraft leagues than he is at exceeding it, and I’m losing hope that he’s going to be used as anything more than a gimmick on this offense. Special talent but underwhelming production, regardless of the reasons/excuses behind it.

I know. hes a Lions homer so he sees the situation with rose colored glasses. Thats ok.

I personally try to look out for my own biases and try to stay out of situations where my bias can hurt me. for example in hockey, I'm an Edmonton Oilers fan and I try not to pick Oilers for my hockey pools simply because I'm prone to overvaluing them a bit.

Not all people do this but if you have a bias and you know it you need to stop it from losing your draft for you. lol.
I get your point. dont disagree but sometimes its just better to pick your battles too. This is one where I might have let it be. but hey, sometimes in the discussion sometimes someone will press your buttons and its hard to let it go. Either way..... I take no offense.

I feel that. I’ve many times been drawn to the allure of having Pats players in fantasy, and getting miffed when people didn’t see the potential for Deion Branch to be something, or why can’t Benjamin Watson be the next Antonio Gates, or that you can find a good fantasy RB in New England if you guess right in the right season, etc. I’ve learned a bit from that, as I’ve avoided all Pats pass catchers this season. To me their attempts to get Ridley and Aiyuk told me they didn’t believe their long term WR1 was on the roster, and I think that’s the right approach.

I’ll stop my rant since this is the Jameson Williams thread after all I still have hopes for this kid, and that might be stubbornness. He’s just hard to trust in fantasy on a weekly basis. Really wish we’d see that Week 1-2 usage again. My fantasy football dynasty team kind of sucks so I’m praying here lol.

 

[Ray_T]

To me their attempts to get Ridley and Aiyuk told me they didn’t believe their long term WR1 was on the roster

its also possible that they want a good WR to mentor their Young receivers and rookie QB to help them develop. I dont think its necessarily a snub of the WR on the team

 

[Deamon]

Dud? He produced WR3 numbers

On what planet is WR42 a "WR3"?!

34 in non-ppr

, love how you use PPR points all off-season and when you've talked about him, until it benefits him to suddenly switch to standard LMAO. You're ridiculous.

 

[Deamon]

ok we are splitting hairs here. the difference between a high end WR4 and a low end WR3 is nominal.

42nd is not a 'high end WR4". It's middle of the road WR4, after the guy said he is 'one of the best WR2's for the rest of the season".

 

[Ray_T]

ok we are splitting hairs here. the difference between a high end WR4 and a low end WR3 is nominal.

42nd is not a 'high end WR4". It's middle of the road WR4, after the guy said he is 'one of the best WR2's for the rest of the season".

I guess you are right. my bad.

 

[jon_mx]

Dud? He produced WR3 numbers

On what planet is WR42 a "WR3"?!

34 in non-ppr

, love how you use PPR points all off-season and when you've talked about him, until it benefits him to suddenly switch to standard LMAO. You're ridiculous.

WR55.

 

[need2know]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

 

[jon_mx]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

LOL. This thread will live forever.

 

[Deamon]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

 

[eighsse2]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

He's not wrong. I didn't remember it that way, but yeah, two, maybe 2.5 "bad" games.

 

[Chaka]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

In our league (PPR): 22.4, 14.4, 1.2, 16, 17.7, 0.6, DNP, DNP, 8.3 & 22.6

He's been a lot better in magic football than many will be willing to admit. And he's been incredibly valuable IRL for the Lions.

It's really the DNPs that are killing him. For the eight games he played, two duds, one mid and five good games.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

 

[Deamon]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

He's not wrong. I didn't remember it that way, but yeah, two, maybe 2.5 "bad" games.

5 fantasy points isn't good, and neither are the two 0 weeks that he missed because he's an idiot and took a banned substance.

3 weeks over 8 fantasy points (in standard lol) in 10 weeks.

 

[Cowboysfan8]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

He's not wrong. I didn't remember it that way, but yeah, two, maybe 2.5 "bad" games.

He doesn’t remember the 2 he didn’t play

 

[BobbyLayne]

full PPR rank by week

1. 24.40 WR5
2. 14.40 WR23
3. 1.20 WR115
4. 16.00 WR24
5. bye
6. 17.70 WR17
7. 0.60 WR102
8. DNP
9. DNP
10. 8.30 WR42
11. 22.60 WR9

13 games in the books, 1 to go - Week 11 he's almost surely a WR1 fir the week.

• WR1 2x
• WR2 3x
• WR3 -
• WR4 1x
• WR9 or worse 2x
• Suspended 2x

 

[eighsse2]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

He's not wrong. I didn't remember it that way, but yeah, two, maybe 2.5 "bad" games.

He doesn’t remember the 2 he didn’t play

I'm sure he remembered, since he specified games rather than weeks.

Maybe I'm biased as a dynasty owner loaded at wide receiver, so I haven't had to even consider starting him all year. But a two-game suspension doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Unless you honestly believe he has a significant probability of being a suspended in any given future year.

But yeah had I drafted him as my third WR in redraft, or something like that, the two-game suspension would be a much bigger deal. I'm more interested in Williams' dynasty value.

 

[jon_mx]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

He's not wrong. I didn't remember it that way, but yeah, two, maybe 2.5 "bad" games.

He doesn’t remember the 2 he didn’t play

The poster was worried about descion-making. But thanks for playing.

 

[Chaka]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

He's not wrong. I didn't remember it that way, but yeah, two, maybe 2.5 "bad" games.

5 fantasy points isn't good, and neither are the two 0 weeks that he missed because he's an idiot and took a banned substance.

3 weeks over 8 fantasy points (in standard lol) in 10 weeks.

The DNPs are what hurts people's perception of him as a player overall. His play on the field has exceeded expectations, by a good margin, so far.

It's a bummer that he appears to be a knucklehead.

 

[Deamon]

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

He's not wrong. I didn't remember it that way, but yeah, two, maybe 2.5 "bad" games.

He doesn’t remember the 2 he didn’t play

I'm sure he remembered, since he specified games rather than weeks.

Maybe I'm biased as a dynasty owner loaded at wide receiver, so I haven't had to even consider starting him all year. But a two-game suspension doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Unless you honestly believe he has a significant probability of being a suspended in any given future year.

But yeah had I drafted him as my third WR in redraft, or something like that, the two-game suspension would be a much bigger deal. I'm more interested in Williams' dynasty value.

Those weeks off absolutely matter. They hurt your team drastically if you were starting him weekly.

As for dynasty, sure... but most of the talk in here is about his redraft value this year.

 

[Chaka]

Currently on pace for:

40-914-7

Just wish i kmew when to start him

He had two duds in 8 games.

He's not wrong. I didn't remember it that way, but yeah, two, maybe 2.5 "bad" games.

He doesn’t remember the 2 he didn’t play

I'm sure he remembered, since he specified games rather than weeks.

Maybe I'm biased as a dynasty owner loaded at wide receiver, so I haven't had to even consider starting him all year. But a two-game suspension doesn't seem like that big of a deal. Unless you honestly believe he has a significant probability of being a suspended in any given future year.

But yeah had I drafted him as my third WR in redraft, or something like that, the two-game suspension would be a much bigger deal. I'm more interested in Williams' dynasty value.

Those weeks off absolutely matter. They hurt your team drastically if you were starting him weekly.

As for dynasty, sure... but most of the talk in here is about his redraft value this year.

Of course they do and being a knucklehead will depress his value next year. But his on field production has far exceeded expectations so far*.

His per game pace is 1,143 yards and 8.5 TDs.

*Of course that can change and people should be nervous about starting him every week because his floor is zero with his limited looks and the way the Lions run their offense.

 

[Deamon]

Jamo is looking at a stat line of 76-1140-9. Throw on a dozen rushes for 12-180-3 into the mix and you are looking at about 1400 yards and 12 TDs.

By end of season his numbers will show he was worthy of a round 3 selection.

1300 total...I think he gets 200 of that rushing. WR10-20 range is about where I figure.

Jamo is a top 20 WR.

Currently WR36.

 

[Deamon]

9 games in the books, 5 not yet complete - Week 11 so far he's WR5 so almost surely a WR1 week for Jamo.

• WR1 2x
• WR2 3x
• WR3 -
• WR4 1x
• WR9 or worse 2x
• Suspended 2x

I'm sure he remembered, since he specified games rather than weeks.

The DNPs are what hurts people's perception of him as a player overall.

His per game pace is 1,143 yards and 8.5 TDs.

You simply can't go on a 'per game' basis. Especially when you consider that in his 2 games off, Goff threw for 85 and 145 yards.
Say "you never know" all you want, but those were very unlikely going to be big Jamo weeks. If anything, they help the perception of him.

 

[eighsse2]

in his 2 games off, Goff threw for 85 and 145 yards.

Good point, that settles it, Williams sucks.

 

[Deamon]

in his 2 games off, Goff threw for 85 and 145 yards.

Good point, that settles it, Williams sucks.

lol he doesn't suck. I own him in 6/10 redraft and 110/160 best ball leagues.

My only point is that as bad as the preseason wr45-55 calls were, the WR10-20 calls were just as bad.

I had him as WR30 preseason, so still a great value. Calling him 'one of the best WR2's in fantasy' and calling him 'worthy of a round 3 redraft pick' was always so absurd.... as is doubling down on it even when he's not living up to those unattainable projections.

 

[Chaka]

9 games in the books, 5 not yet complete - Week 11 so far he's WR5 so almost surely a WR1 week for Jamo.

• WR1 2x
• WR2 3x
• WR3 -
• WR4 1x
• WR9 or worse 2x
• Suspended 2x

I'm sure he remembered, since he specified games rather than weeks.

The DNPs are what hurts people's perception of him as a player overall.

His per game pace is 1,143 yards and 8.5 TDs.

You simply can't go on a 'per game' basis. Especially when you consider that in his 2 games off, Goff threw for 85 and 145 yards.
Say "you never know" all you want, but those were very unlikely going to be big Jamo weeks. If anything, they help the perception of him.

Of course the overall picture is nuanced. At this point you can't trust him to play 17 next year because you'll be waiting for the next stupid thing off the field to happen. And considering how high powered the Detroit offense is you have to expect multiple low QB output days. But you seem dead set on ignoring that Jameson is producing at a high level on the field.

And I think it could be argued that, if Jameson had played Goff may have produced more than 85 & 145 yards in those two games.

 

[Chaka]

@Deamon

Jalen Wright for Jameson Williams. Let's make that happen.

 

[BobbyLayne]

in another board I frequent, there is a forum for deleted posts

repeat offenders (habitual line steppers) get sent off to that forum if they persist

no suspensions, they just have to hang out only with the other chain yankers on the board

---

Jamo is one of the most interesting players in the league - he's almost a one of one, of course it's under special circumstances but we virtually never have seen a WR in the modern era who had such low production Y1/Y2 go onto to become one of the most difficult receivers to cover.

Gonna have to step up the pace to get to 1K but all things considered, really happy with the strides he has made as a person and in honing his craft.

Edit - pacing for 1008 but will likely be on a reduced snap count Week 18 so hopefully gets it knocked out before then

Super interesting player.

This thread, not so much.

 

[Deamon]

And I think it could be argued that, if Jameson had played Goff may have produced more than 85 & 145 yards in those two games.

Sure, but it's not like he would be doubling his passing yards. They had that titans game in hand, it's unlikely they'd be going for home run balls when up by 30. Either way, it's likely that he wasn't going to have massive weeks those weeks that Goff barely even threw the ball.

 

[Chaka]

And I think it could be argued that, if Jameson had played Goff may have produced more than 85 & 145 yards in those two games.

Sure, but it's not like he would be doubling his passing yards. They had that titans game in hand, it's unlikely they'd be going for home run balls when up by 30. Either way, it's likely that he wasn't going to have massive weeks those weeks that Goff barely even threw the ball.

It's one of the risks of drafting Lions players in general. Players like Jameson and, even more so apparently, La Porta will see less action in some games that are in hand early. Jameson has a double issue with being a knucklehead off the field, I suspect there will be more suspensions in his future (sadly). But, there will also be games like today.

And, again it is difficult to argue that Jameson's production has surpassed expectations by a wide margin. Even at WR36 he has exceeded expectations, only marginally but still.

 

[Deamon]

And, again it is difficult to argue that Jameson's production has surpassed expectations by a wide margin. Even at WR36 he has exceeded expectations, only marginally but still.

Almost everyone here (didn't see anyone who argued against it) agreed that he was a draft value this year.

The truth is always usually in the middle, but people become so obsessed with 'being right' that they like to make bold calls. I thought he was valued too low preseason, but that jon valued him way too high. That is proving to be correct. Still a good value but he isn't some guy that's a top end fantasy wr2 that should have been taken in round 3. But don't think he will ever admit that.

I still stick to my original projections and think he picks it up a bit and finishes around WR30.

 

[Chaka]

And, again it is difficult to argue that Jameson's production has surpassed expectations by a wide margin. Even at WR36 he has exceeded expectations, only marginally but still.

Almost everyone here (didn't see anyone who argued against it) agreed that he was a draft value this year.

The truth is always usually in the middle, but people become so obsessed with 'being right' that they like to make bold calls. I thought he was valued too low preseason, but that jon valued him way too high. That is proving to be correct. Still a good value but he isn't some guy that's a top end fantasy wr2 that should have been taken in round 3. But don't think he will ever admit that.

I still stick to my original projections and think he picks it up a bit and finishes around WR30.

When you look at Mike Evans will you ignore his per game production and focus only on his year end numbers?

 

[Deamon]

And, again it is difficult to argue that Jameson's production has surpassed expectations by a wide margin. Even at WR36 he has exceeded expectations, only marginally but still.

Almost everyone here (didn't see anyone who argued against it) agreed that he was a draft value this year.

The truth is always usually in the middle, but people become so obsessed with 'being right' that they like to make bold calls. I thought he was valued too low preseason, but that jon valued him way too high. That is proving to be correct. Still a good value but he isn't some guy that's a top end fantasy wr2 that should have been taken in round 3. But don't think he will ever admit that.

I still stick to my original projections and think he picks it up a bit and finishes around WR30.

When you look at Mike Evans will you ignore his per game production and focus only on his year end numbers?

Injury is different than taking a banned substance and being lucky enough to miss your QBs 2 worst games of the year where he barely threw the ball at all. He threw the ball 15 times in that Titans game.

 

[Chaka]

And, again it is difficult to argue that Jameson's production has surpassed expectations by a wide margin. Even at WR36 he has exceeded expectations, only marginally but still.

Almost everyone here (didn't see anyone who argued against it) agreed that he was a draft value this year.

The truth is always usually in the middle, but people become so obsessed with 'being right' that they like to make bold calls. I thought he was valued too low preseason, but that jon valued him way too high. That is proving to be correct. Still a good value but he isn't some guy that's a top end fantasy wr2 that should have been taken in round 3. But don't think he will ever admit that.

I still stick to my original projections and think he picks it up a bit and finishes around WR30.

When you look at Mike Evans will you ignore his per game production and focus only on his year end numbers?

Injury is different than taking a banned substance and being lucky enough to miss your QBs 2 worst games of the year where he barely threw the ball at all. He threw the ball 15 times in that Titans game.

I imagine you make adjustments to your rankings based on perceived risk of injury.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I didn't see the game as it looked like the one week I could give wifey some quality time on a Sunday. But watching the sequence now...

• 1st & 10, Monty 6 yard run...
• Lions go right into no huddle because they have the matchup advantage they've been looking for...
• hit 'em with the JAMO crosser, 64 yard TD

 

[BassNBrew]

I hit up 3 of the Dell owners in IBL offering Jameson. One bit. With Diggs out I think Dell will be more consistent

This trade isn’t looking too good

 

[BobbyLayne]

WR Jameson Williams is currently 2ND in the NFL amongst qualified receivers in yards per reception (22.4)

 

[BobbyLayne]

more receiving yards (538) than:

• Tyreek Hill 523
• Devonta Smith 516
• Travis Kelce 507
• Marvin Harrison jr 499
• Deebo Samuel 490
• Cooper Kupp 488
• Davante Adams 487
• Rome Odunze 479
• DJ Moore 460
• Tank Dell 448
• Jaylen Waddle 404
• Amari Cooper 374
• Chris Olave 400
• Xavier Worthy 307

Jamo was being drafted behind every one of these guys.

 

[Deamon]

He is one of the best #2 WR in football. Certainly the most dangerous.

Oof what a brutal call.

Our man Jon is in hiding.

 

[Deamon]

more receiving yards (538) than:

• Tyreek Hill 523
• Devonta Smith 516
• Travis Kelce 507
• Marvin Harrison jr 499
• Deebo Samuel 490
• Cooper Kupp 488
• Davante Adams 487
• Rome Odunze 479
• DJ Moore 460
• Tank Dell 448
• Jaylen Waddle 404
• Amari Cooper 374
• Chris Olave 400
• Xavier Worthy 307

Jamo was being drafted behind every one of these guys.

Couldn't we also make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

JSN
Ladd
Sutton
Mooney
Reed
Jennings
Meyers
Jeudy
Pierce
Shakir
Thomas

 

[jon_mx]

He is one of the best #2 WR in football. Certainly the most dangerous.

Oof what a brutal call.

Our man Jon is in hiding.

Really? What are you talking about? Jamo is putting up about WR32 in ppg. There are currently 6 teams that have a WR2 doing better than Jamo. Considering his ADP was at WR55 and not a single expert out of over 100 put Jamo that high, I am much closer to being right. Besides Jamos targets and touches have been going up, so I expect him to rise. Maybe you should be hiding?

 

[BobbyLayne]

more receiving yards (538) than:

• Tyreek Hill 523
• Devonta Smith 516
• Travis Kelce 507
• Marvin Harrison jr 499
• Deebo Samuel 490
• Cooper Kupp 488
• Davante Adams 487
• Rome Odunze 479
• DJ Moore 460
• Tank Dell 448
• Jaylen Waddle 404
• Amari Cooper 374
• Chris Olave 400
• Xavier Worthy 307

Jamo was being drafted behind every one of these guys.

Couldn't we also make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

JSN
Ladd
Sutton
Mooney
Reed
Jennings
Meyers
Jeudy
Pierce
Shakir
Thomas

make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

We could try.

Jamo's consensus in PPR redraft was WR50 per FantasyPros.

• Players drafted behind him (so not part of this exercise):
  
  61. Mooney (731)
  115. Jennings (684)
  58. Jeudy (645)
  99. Pierce (645(
  53. Shakir (629 - so, not part of this exercise for ADP or having more yards)

I had not anticipated this, but apparently challenge number 1 is identifying which WRs were drafted ahead of him and which WRs were drafted behind him. 6/11 (.545) doesn't seem like a great hit rate for baseline information.

• Players drafted ahead of him - my reasonable expectation is these players are putting up more yards than him
  
  37. JSN (829) 12 g
  45. Ladd (815) 12 g
  40. Sutton (744) 12 g less yards per game - 62.0
  38. Reed (693) 12 g less yards per game - 57.8
  48. Meyers (676) 10 g
  41. Thomas (765) 12 g

Awesome, 4/6.

From your "huge list" of 11 players drafted ahead of him who have more yards per game, we have identified 4. Or if we're feeling charitable, 6.

What was your point again?

 

[Deamon]

He is one of the best #2 WR in football. Certainly the most dangerous.

Oof what a brutal call.

Our man Jon is in hiding.

Really? What are you talking about? Jamo is putting up about WR32 in ppg. There are currently 6 teams that have a WR2 doing better than Jamo. Considering his ADP was at WR55 and not a single expert out of over 100 put Jamo that high, I am much closer to being right. Besides Jamos targets and touches have been going up, so I expect him to rise. Maybe you should be hiding?

You said he would be one of the best WR2s in the nfl going forward and he definitely not dong that. You keep changing the narrative.

And no I shouldn't. I had him WR30 going into the year so he's been a slight disappointment but basically right where he's at

 

[Deamon]

more receiving yards (538) than:

• Tyreek Hill 523
• Devonta Smith 516
• Travis Kelce 507
• Marvin Harrison jr 499
• Deebo Samuel 490
• Cooper Kupp 488
• Davante Adams 487
• Rome Odunze 479
• DJ Moore 460
• Tank Dell 448
• Jaylen Waddle 404
• Amari Cooper 374
• Chris Olave 400
• Xavier Worthy 307

Jamo was being drafted behind every one of these guys.

Couldn't we also make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

JSN
Ladd
Sutton
Mooney
Reed
Jennings
Meyers
Jeudy
Pierce
Shakir
Thomas

make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

We could try.

Jamo's consensus in PPR redraft was WR50 per FantasyPros.

• Players drafted behind him (so not part of this exercise):
  
  61. Mooney (731)
  115. Jennings (684)
  58. Jeudy (645)
  99. Pierce (645(
  53. Shakir (629 - so, not part of this exercise for ADP or having more yards)

I had not anticipated this, but apparently challenge number 1 is identifying which WRs were drafted ahead of him and which WRs were drafted behind him. 6/11 (.545) doesn't seem like a great hit rate for baseline information.

• Players drafted ahead of him - my reasonable expectation is these players are putting up more yards than him
  
  37. JSN (829) 12 g
  45. Ladd (815) 12 g
  40. Sutton (744) 12 g less yards per game - 62.0
  38. Reed (693) 12 g less yards per game - 57.8
  48. Meyers (676) 10 g
  41. Thomas (765) 12 g

Awesome, 4/6.

From your "huge list" of 11 players drafted ahead of him who have more yards per game, we have identified 4. Or if we're feeling charitable, 6.

What was your point again?

He was going around WR45-50 and is WR35. He's been an above average value but not even close to what some posters in here had him at, and continue to have him at. There was talk of top 10 WR this year, and a WR2 being his floor. My point is he isn't and was never going to be a fantasy WR2 this year.

 

[BobbyLayne]

more receiving yards (538) than:

• Tyreek Hill 523
• Devonta Smith 516
• Travis Kelce 507
• Marvin Harrison jr 499
• Deebo Samuel 490
• Cooper Kupp 488
• Davante Adams 487
• Rome Odunze 479
• DJ Moore 460
• Tank Dell 448
• Jaylen Waddle 404
• Amari Cooper 374
• Chris Olave 400
• Xavier Worthy 307

Jamo was being drafted behind every one of these guys.

Couldn't we also make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

JSN
Ladd
Sutton
Mooney
Reed
Jennings
Meyers
Jeudy
Pierce
Shakir
Thomas

make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

We could try.

Jamo's consensus in PPR redraft was WR50 per FantasyPros.

• Players drafted behind him (so not part of this exercise):
  
  61. Mooney (731)
  115. Jennings (684)
  58. Jeudy (645)
  99. Pierce (645(
  53. Shakir (629 - so, not part of this exercise for ADP or having more yards)

I had not anticipated this, but apparently challenge number 1 is identifying which WRs were drafted ahead of him and which WRs were drafted behind him. 6/11 (.545) doesn't seem like a great hit rate for baseline information.

• Players drafted ahead of him - my reasonable expectation is these players are putting up more yards than him
  
  37. JSN (829) 12 g
  45. Ladd (815) 12 g
  40. Sutton (744) 12 g less yards per game - 62.0
  38. Reed (693) 12 g less yards per game - 57.8
  48. Meyers (676) 10 g
  41. Thomas (765) 12 g

Awesome, 4/6.

From your "huge list" of 11 players drafted ahead of him who have more yards per game, we have identified 4. Or if we're feeling charitable, 6.

What was your point again?

He was going around WR45-50 and is WR35. He's been an above average value but not even close to what some posters in here had him at, and continue to have him at. There was talk of top 10 WR this year, and a WR2 being his floor. My point is he isn't and was never going to be a fantasy WR2 this year.

That was your point?

How would one discern that? Is clairvoyance involved? Because - jot this down- I cannot read minds.

 

[BassNBrew]

more receiving yards (538) than:

• Tyreek Hill 523
• Devonta Smith 516
• Travis Kelce 507
• Marvin Harrison jr 499
• Deebo Samuel 490
• Cooper Kupp 488
• Davante Adams 487
• Rome Odunze 479
• DJ Moore 460
• Tank Dell 448
• Jaylen Waddle 404
• Amari Cooper 374
• Chris Olave 400
• Xavier Worthy 307

Jamo was being drafted behind every one of these guys.

Couldn't we also make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

JSN
Ladd
Sutton
Mooney
Reed
Jennings
Meyers
Jeudy
Pierce
Shakir
Thomas

make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

We could try.

Jamo's consensus in PPR redraft was WR50 per FantasyPros.

• Players drafted behind him (so not part of this exercise):
  
  61. Mooney (731)
  115. Jennings (684)
  58. Jeudy (645)
  99. Pierce (645(
  53. Shakir (629 - so, not part of this exercise for ADP or having more yards)

I had not anticipated this, but apparently challenge number 1 is identifying which WRs were drafted ahead of him and which WRs were drafted behind him. 6/11 (.545) doesn't seem like a great hit rate for baseline information.

• Players drafted ahead of him - my reasonable expectation is these players are putting up more yards than him
  
  37. JSN (829) 12 g
  45. Ladd (815) 12 g
  40. Sutton (744) 12 g less yards per game - 62.0
  38. Reed (693) 12 g less yards per game - 57.8
  48. Meyers (676) 10 g
  41. Thomas (765) 12 g

Awesome, 4/6.

From your "huge list" of 11 players drafted ahead of him who have more yards per game, we have identified 4. Or if we're feeling charitable, 6.

What was your point again?

He was going around WR45-50 and is WR35. He's been an above average value but not even close to what some posters in here had him at, and continue to have him at. There was talk of top 10 WR this year, and a WR2 being his floor. My point is he isn't and was never going to be a fantasy WR2 this year.

That was your point?

How would one discern that? Is clairvoyance involved? Because - jot this down- I cannot read minds.

One bad half of football and the Lions fans are grumpy.

 

[BobbyLayne]

more receiving yards (538) than:

• Tyreek Hill 523
• Devonta Smith 516
• Travis Kelce 507
• Marvin Harrison jr 499
• Deebo Samuel 490
• Cooper Kupp 488
• Davante Adams 487
• Rome Odunze 479
• DJ Moore 460
• Tank Dell 448
• Jaylen Waddle 404
• Amari Cooper 374
• Chris Olave 400
• Xavier Worthy 307

Jamo was being drafted behind every one of these guys.

Couldn't we also make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

JSN
Ladd
Sutton
Mooney
Reed
Jennings
Meyers
Jeudy
Pierce
Shakir
Thomas

make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

We could try.

Jamo's consensus in PPR redraft was WR50 per FantasyPros.

• Players drafted behind him (so not part of this exercise):
  
  61. Mooney (731)
  115. Jennings (684)
  58. Jeudy (645)
  99. Pierce (645(
  53. Shakir (629 - so, not part of this exercise for ADP or having more yards)

I had not anticipated this, but apparently challenge number 1 is identifying which WRs were drafted ahead of him and which WRs were drafted behind him. 6/11 (.545) doesn't seem like a great hit rate for baseline information.

• Players drafted ahead of him - my reasonable expectation is these players are putting up more yards than him
  
  37. JSN (829) 12 g
  45. Ladd (815) 12 g
  40. Sutton (744) 12 g less yards per game - 62.0
  38. Reed (693) 12 g less yards per game - 57.8
  48. Meyers (676) 10 g
  41. Thomas (765) 12 g

Awesome, 4/6.

From your "huge list" of 11 players drafted ahead of him who have more yards per game, we have identified 4. Or if we're feeling charitable, 6.

What was your point again?

He was going around WR45-50 and is WR35. He's been an above average value but not even close to what some posters in here had him at, and continue to have him at. There was talk of top 10 WR this year, and a WR2 being his floor. My point is he isn't and was never going to be a fantasy WR2 this year.

That was your point?

How would one discern that? Is clairvoyance involved? Because - jot this down- I cannot read minds.

One bad half of football and the Lions fans are grumpy.

Think it has more to do with 11 days of being at home with Covid. Far worse than my previous bout in April 2020. Been getting my *** kicked every day.

Anyway, I'm not the one who was pimping Jamo into the stratosphere. I know, you probably think all Lions fans look alike.

 

[Deamon]

more receiving yards (538) than:

• Tyreek Hill 523
• Devonta Smith 516
• Travis Kelce 507
• Marvin Harrison jr 499
• Deebo Samuel 490
• Cooper Kupp 488
• Davante Adams 487
• Rome Odunze 479
• DJ Moore 460
• Tank Dell 448
• Jaylen Waddle 404
• Amari Cooper 374
• Chris Olave 400
• Xavier Worthy 307

Jamo was being drafted behind every one of these guys.

Couldn't we also make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

JSN
Ladd
Sutton
Mooney
Reed
Jennings
Meyers
Jeudy
Pierce
Shakir
Thomas

make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

We could try.

Jamo's consensus in PPR redraft was WR50 per FantasyPros.

• Players drafted behind him (so not part of this exercise):
  
  61. Mooney (731)
  115. Jennings (684)
  58. Jeudy (645)
  99. Pierce (645(
  53. Shakir (629 - so, not part of this exercise for ADP or having more yards)

I had not anticipated this, but apparently challenge number 1 is identifying which WRs were drafted ahead of him and which WRs were drafted behind him. 6/11 (.545) doesn't seem like a great hit rate for baseline information.

• Players drafted ahead of him - my reasonable expectation is these players are putting up more yards than him
  
  37. JSN (829) 12 g
  45. Ladd (815) 12 g
  40. Sutton (744) 12 g less yards per game - 62.0
  38. Reed (693) 12 g less yards per game - 57.8
  48. Meyers (676) 10 g
  41. Thomas (765) 12 g

Awesome, 4/6.

From your "huge list" of 11 players drafted ahead of him who have more yards per game, we have identified 4. Or if we're feeling charitable, 6.

What was your point again?

He was going around WR45-50 and is WR35. He's been an above average value but not even close to what some posters in here had him at, and continue to have him at. There was talk of top 10 WR this year, and a WR2 being his floor. My point is he isn't and was never going to be a fantasy WR2 this year.

That was your point?

How would one discern that? Is clairvoyance involved? Because - jot this down- I cannot read minds.

Yes it's pretty obvious based on the history of this thread.

Your list is putting Tight Ends in, including a bunch of guys who were injured, etc. Not exactly sound evidence.

As for the "per game" thing, we've been through that. Him missing those games:
A: Was his fault,
B: Still hurts your fantasy team, and
C: Were the two games Goff barely threw the ball at all.

Again, I was one of the highest people in here on Jamo this offseason by boosting him all the way to WR30 in my projections. And surely own him more than anyone in here too. He's been better than the WR40-50 he was being drafted at, but no where close to the WR10-20 that was practically guaranteed by some cocksure posters here.

 

[BassNBrew]

more receiving yards (538) than:

• Tyreek Hill 523
• Devonta Smith 516
• Travis Kelce 507
• Marvin Harrison jr 499
• Deebo Samuel 490
• Cooper Kupp 488
• Davante Adams 487
• Rome Odunze 479
• DJ Moore 460
• Tank Dell 448
• Jaylen Waddle 404
• Amari Cooper 374
• Chris Olave 400
• Xavier Worthy 307

Jamo was being drafted behind every one of these guys.

Couldn't we also make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

JSN
Ladd
Sutton
Mooney
Reed
Jennings
Meyers
Jeudy
Pierce
Shakir
Thomas

make a huge list of players he was drafted AHEAD of who are putting up more yards than him?

We could try.

Jamo's consensus in PPR redraft was WR50 per FantasyPros.

• Players drafted behind him (so not part of this exercise):
  
  61. Mooney (731)
  115. Jennings (684)
  58. Jeudy (645)
  99. Pierce (645(
  53. Shakir (629 - so, not part of this exercise for ADP or having more yards)

I had not anticipated this, but apparently challenge number 1 is identifying which WRs were drafted ahead of him and which WRs were drafted behind him. 6/11 (.545) doesn't seem like a great hit rate for baseline information.

• Players drafted ahead of him - my reasonable expectation is these players are putting up more yards than him
  
  37. JSN (829) 12 g
  45. Ladd (815) 12 g
  40. Sutton (744) 12 g less yards per game - 62.0
  38. Reed (693) 12 g less yards per game - 57.8
  48. Meyers (676) 10 g
  41. Thomas (765) 12 g

Awesome, 4/6.

From your "huge list" of 11 players drafted ahead of him who have more yards per game, we have identified 4. Or if we're feeling charitable, 6.

What was your point again?

He was going around WR45-50 and is WR35. He's been an above average value but not even close to what some posters in here had him at, and continue to have him at. There was talk of top 10 WR this year, and a WR2 being his floor. My point is he isn't and was never going to be a fantasy WR2 this year.

That was your point?

How would one discern that? Is clairvoyance involved? Because - jot this down- I cannot read minds.

One bad half of football and the Lions fans are grumpy.

Think it has more to do with 11 days of being at home with Covid. Far worse than my previous bout in April 2020. Been getting my *** kicked every day.

Anyway, I'm not the one who was pimping Jamo into the stratosphere. I know, you probably think all Lions fans look alike.

Hope you kick it soon and return to normal...along with Gibbs and Goff.

Agreed, you take was reasonable. I'm not going to rehash the thread, but their just aren't enough possessions to support all the talent in Detroit.