WR Jameson Williams, DET (5 Viewers)

[Anarchy99]

If we are just throwing ideas out there, I would maybe be on the phone with the Rams vis a vis Cooper Kupp.

#18 for Kupp? Rams are clearly a #1 pick contender, and might want to get out while the value is still high.

Alternatively, maybe Hopkins, or even Mike Evans could be available for the right price, I just leaned Kupp, because he's better than those guys, and Brad Holmes has his Rams ties.

ETA: Probably would have been at least nice to keep Chark now.

The Packers got a 1 and a 2 for Adams. Kupp is 18 months younger. I would guess it would take more than the #18 pick to get Kupp.

 

[BobbyLayne]

I think it was posted earlier but this truly was a "technicality the truth" kind of thing.

He was suspended for making a bet in the team facilities.

As someone noted, the definition of team facilities is all encompassing (including road game hotels.)

He made a legal bet.

He did nothing illegal or against league policy by placing the bet.

The violation was where he placed the bet.

Had he walked across the street to place the bet, there would have been no violation.

 

[nysfl2]

It's dumb that it fine for him to have done it from home, but a suspension for doing it on his phone at the team facilities.

But, the rules are the rules, and he's got to know better.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

As for Williams, his value had only gotten lower since he was drafted (with St.Brown running away with the #1) now it’s even lower. I'm not sure I'd have Jameson Williams as a top-40 dynasty WR right now. His best case is he comes back as the clear #2 who is a boom/bust deep threat. Worst case, Detroit adds another really good WR, and Willams is way behind when he comes back, to a role that isn't fantasy friendly.

IIRC I offered 1.08 + 2.01 and was flatly rejected with a “not close” response.

I bet he’d take that deal now.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

It's dumb that it fine for him to have done it from home

I’m not certain that would have been fine.

Players can’t gamble on sports regardless of whether they do it from.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Had he walked across the street to place the bet, there would have been no violation.

Again, not sure that’s accurate.

His agent said the bet was legal and not in violation of the CBA. Couple articles I've read in the past 1.5 hours have said the same.

Maybe you're right, LMK when you think you have it solved.

 

[Leroy Hoard]

Had he walked across the street to place the bet, there would have been no violation.

Again, not sure that’s accurate.

His agent said the bet was legal and not in violation of the CBA. Couple articles I've read in the past 1.5 hours have said the same.

Maybe you're right, LMK when you think you have it solved.

If he had done it away from NFL facilities there would be no problem. That's the rule.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Players can’t gamble on sports regardless of whether they do it from.

I can see where you might have thought that. When Alex Karras and Paul Hornig weee suspended fir a year, they were poolside in Miami.

League Policy:

According to league policy, NFL players and personnel cannot bet on NFL games, the draft or any league-related activities under any circumstances. They also cannot place any bets while at a team facility or on team-related travel.

However, they can gamble offsite.

NFL Players can bet on sports other than NFL sports

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

His agent said the bet was legal and not in violation of the CBA. Couple articles I've read in the past 1.5 hours have said the same.

Maybe you're right, LMK when you think you have it solved.

I could be wrong - I thought players couldn’t gamble on sports.

 

[-OZ-]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Players can’t gamble on sports regardless of whether they do it from.

I can see where you might have thought that. When Alex Karras and Paul Hornig weee suspended fir a year, they were poolside in Miami.

League Policy:

According to league policy, NFL players and personnel cannot bet on NFL games, the draft or any league-related activities under any circumstances. They also cannot place any bets while at a team facility or on team-related travel.

However, they can gamble offsite.

NFL Players can bet on sports other than NFL sports

That makes sense - appreciate the clarification. I didn’t realize they could bet on other sports. Interesting.

 

[-OZ-]

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11:46 AM · Apr 21, 2023

I'm not really seeing the argument that the NFL are being hypocrites here.

There are different rules for players than there are for fans. What's wrong with that?

As for Williams, his value had only gotten lower since he was drafted (with St.Brown running away with the #1) now its even lower. I'm not sure I'd have Jameson Williams as a top-40 dynasty WR right now. His best case is he comes back as the clear #2 who is a boom/bust deep threat. Worst case, Detroit adds another really good WR, and Willams is way behind when he comes back, to a role that isn't fantasy friendly.

Right. Many workplaces don’t allow gambling in their facilities. People get fired in my business for doing it.

 

[massraider]

Stanley Berryhill was suspended?

I mean, bummer for him, but Stan needs to fiund his true calling, and finish law school with that name.

 

[BobbyLayne]

His agent said the bet was legal and not in violation of the CBA. Couple articles I've read in the past 1.5 hours have said the same.

Maybe you're right, LMK when you think you have it solved.

I could be wrong - I thought players couldn’t gamble on sports.

Pretty sure that was true for decades

Different world now

 

[BobbyLayne]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

Also, as noted earlier, there’s a mandatory meeting - for the entire org - every training camp, outlining the league policy. Rookies get a separate meeting as part of their onboarding process. Every team, every year.

They can’t claim ignorance.

 

[ghostguy123]

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

 

[Yenrub]

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11:46 AM · Apr 21, 2023

I'm not really seeing the argument that the NFL are being hypocrites here.

There are different rules for players than there are for fans. What's wrong with that?

As for Williams, his value had only gotten lower since he was drafted (with St.Brown running away with the #1) now its even lower. I'm not sure I'd have Jameson Williams as a top-40 dynasty WR right now. His best case is he comes back as the clear #2 who is a boom/bust deep threat. Worst case, Detroit adds another really good WR, and Willams is way behind when he comes back, to a role that isn't fantasy friendly.

Right. Many workplaces don’t allow gambling in their facilities. People get fired in my business for doing it.

I guess it's time for the Detroit IT staff to start blocking access to those websites

 

[jon_mx]

It's amazingly stupid, but it's 6 games. He could have pulled a hamstring to the same effect. I don't think you re-shape your whole draft strategy over it.

Here’s the thing with that reasoning though - he could still pull a hamstring and miss another 6 games.

Sitting out those 6 games doesn’t guarantee a healthy 12, it only guarantees he misses at least 6.

I’ve seen this logic used for drafting hurt players & I’ve seen it bite people in the asa many times.

Absolutely and he's essentially a rookie so it sets him back another 6 games from understanding the game and getting a feel for the NFL speed...

In Jamo's case, it gives the NFL more time to get ready for his speed.

 

[-OZ-]

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11:46 AM · Apr 21, 2023

I'm not really seeing the argument that the NFL are being hypocrites here.

There are different rules for players than there are for fans. What's wrong with that?

As for Williams, his value had only gotten lower since he was drafted (with St.Brown running away with the #1) now its even lower. I'm not sure I'd have Jameson Williams as a top-40 dynasty WR right now. His best case is he comes back as the clear #2 who is a boom/bust deep threat. Worst case, Detroit adds another really good WR, and Willams is way behind when he comes back, to a role that isn't fantasy friendly.

Right. Many workplaces don’t allow gambling in their facilities. People get fired in my business for doing it.

I guess it's time for the Detroit IT staff to start blocking access to those websites

Not real sure how you do that while traveling and players have phones.

 

[-OZ-]

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

They know. Plus their agents should tell them in the interest of keeping their pay checks flowing.

 

[-OZ-]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

Also, as noted earlier, there’s a mandatory meeting - for the entire org - every training camp, outlining the league policy. Rookies get a separate meeting as part of their onboarding process. Every team, every year.

They can’t claim ignorance.

Sure. But when you see another fairly high profile player lose a season for a violation, that should hit home even more than the briefing.
When I brief our employees I tend to discuss examples. It works better.

 

[Deamon]

This seems like way too big of a penalty for doing something completely legal and by the rules, with the possibility of having done it while he's sitting on the can at Ford Field/A team hotel/etc.

 

[ghostguy123]

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

They know. Plus their agents should tell them in the interest of keeping their pay checks flowing.

I'd bet (pun intended) most players did not know this specific rule.

 

[-OZ-]

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

They know. Plus their agents should tell them in the interest of keeping their pay checks flowing.

I'd bet (pun intended) most players did not know this specific rule.

I’d bet they were told and should have known.

 

[ghostguy123]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

Also, as noted earlier, there’s a mandatory meeting - for the entire org - every training camp, outlining the league policy. Rookies get a separate meeting as part of their onboarding process. Every team, every year.

They can’t claim ignorance.

Sure. But when you see another fairly high profile player lose a season for a violation, that should hit home even more than the briefing.
When I brief our employees I tend to discuss examples. It works better.

Is there any other examples of a player doing something legal but being suspended because they did it somewhere they weren't allowed?

 

[ghostguy123]

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

They know. Plus their agents should tell them in the interest of keeping their pay checks flowing.

I'd bet (pun intended) most players did not know this specific rule.

I’d bet they were told and should have known.

I bet they were told 5000 things. I can see how this one could easily be confused.

 

[jon_mx]

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

They know. Plus their agents should tell them in the interest of keeping their pay checks flowing.

I'd bet (pun intended) most players did not know this specific rule.

Even Ian Rapport who broke the story, says he did not know this was a violation until the last month.

 

[-OZ-]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

Also, as noted earlier, there’s a mandatory meeting - for the entire org - every training camp, outlining the league policy. Rookies get a separate meeting as part of their onboarding process. Every team, every year.

They can’t claim ignorance.

Sure. But when you see another fairly high profile player lose a season for a violation, that should hit home even more than the briefing.
When I brief our employees I tend to discuss examples. It works better.

Is there any other examples of a player doing something legal but being suspended because they did it somewhere they weren't allowed?

Josh Gordon for drinking alcohol on the team plane?

 

[-OZ-]

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

They know. Plus their agents should tell them in the interest of keeping their pay checks flowing.

I'd bet (pun intended) most players did not know this specific rule.

I’d bet they were told and should have known.

I bet they were told 5000 things. I can see how this one could easily be confused.

Doesn’t really matter. Somehow most players seem to follow this rule.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Even Ian Rapport who broke the story, says he did not know this was a violation until the last month

Which team did he play fo?

Dan Miller was just on, he said the league policy and all of it's nuances is clearly communicated to EVERYONE in the organization. Every year. Without exception. It's my understanding that doesn't make the Lions a unique org by any means.

People need to stop with the excuses.

 

[ghostguy123]

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

They know. Plus their agents should tell them in the interest of keeping their pay checks flowing.

I'd bet (pun intended) most players did not know this specific rule.

I’d bet they were told and should have known.

I bet they were told 5000 things. I can see how this one could easily be confused.

Doesn’t really matter. Somehow most players seem to follow this rule.

Or just haven't been caught. Who knows

 

[ghostguy123]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

Also, as noted earlier, there’s a mandatory meeting - for the entire org - every training camp, outlining the league policy. Rookies get a separate meeting as part of their onboarding process. Every team, every year.

They can’t claim ignorance.

Sure. But when you see another fairly high profile player lose a season for a violation, that should hit home even more than the briefing.
When I brief our employees I tend to discuss examples. It works better.

Is there any other examples of a player doing something legal but being suspended because they did it somewhere they weren't allowed?

Josh Gordon for drinking alcohol on the team plane?

Was that a Gordon specific rule cause he was in the substance abuse policy, or is that a policy for all?

 

[Leroy Hoard]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

Also, as noted earlier, there’s a mandatory meeting - for the entire org - every training camp, outlining the league policy. Rookies get a separate meeting as part of their onboarding process. Every team, every year.

They can’t claim ignorance.

Sure. But when you see another fairly high profile player lose a season for a violation, that should hit home even more than the briefing.
When I brief our employees I tend to discuss examples. It works better.

Is there any other examples of a player doing something legal but being suspended because they did it somewhere they weren't allowed?

Josh Gordon for drinking alcohol on the team plane?

Good point with the alcohol. Most bosses don't care if you go home and have a few drinks. Guzzling a bottle at your team meeting at work usually isn't allowed.

 

[-OZ-]

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

They know. Plus their agents should tell them in the interest of keeping their pay checks flowing.

I'd bet (pun intended) most players did not know this specific rule.

Even Ian Rapport who broke the story, says he did not know this was a violation until the last month.

it doesn’t apply to him.

Pretty stupid rule. Not surprised he and other players didn't know it.
I guess maybe they did know it, who knows, if they did know it then yeah they are idiots.

They know. Plus their agents should tell them in the interest of keeping their pay checks flowing.

I'd bet (pun intended) most players did not know this specific rule.

I’d bet they were told and should have known.

I bet they were told 5000 things. I can see how this one could easily be confused.

Doesn’t really matter. Somehow most players seem to follow this rule.

Or just haven't been caught. Who knows

you could say that for any rule. Doesn’t excuse violating it.

 

[-OZ-]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

Also, as noted earlier, there’s a mandatory meeting - for the entire org - every training camp, outlining the league policy. Rookies get a separate meeting as part of their onboarding process. Every team, every year.

They can’t claim ignorance.

Sure. But when you see another fairly high profile player lose a season for a violation, that should hit home even more than the briefing.
When I brief our employees I tend to discuss examples. It works better.

Is there any other examples of a player doing something legal but being suspended because they did it somewhere they weren't allowed?

Josh Gordon for drinking alcohol on the team plane?

Was that a Gordon specific rule cause he was in the substance abuse policy, or is that a policy for all?

That one was specifically him. Just guessing here but I’m pretty sure players aren’t allowed to smoke cigars or do shots of whiskey during a game. Legal, but circumstances matter.

 

[Ministry of Pain]

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jason_OTC on Twitter: For Williams that loss will be at least $382,906 in salary plus he will now have $6.877M in guaranteed salary ($5.37M for 24 and 25) vanish. #Lions

 

[-OZ-]

Jason_OTC on Twitter: For Williams that loss will be at least $382,906 in salary plus he will now have $6.877M in guaranteed salary ($5.37M for 24 and 25) vanish. #Lions

Ouch.
Is it just the guarantee that is lost or is he out the money?

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jason_OTC on Twitter: For Williams that loss will be at least $382,906 in salary plus he will now have $6.877M in guaranteed salary ($5.37M for 24 and 25) vanish. #Lions

Ouch.
Is it just the guarantee that is lost or is he out the money?

The salary schedule stays the same. The GTD is void.

 

[massraider]

Jason_OTC on Twitter: For Williams that loss will be at least $382,906 in salary plus he will now have $6.877M in guaranteed salary ($5.37M for 24 and 25) vanish. #Lions

Ouch.
Is it just the guarantee that is lost or is he out the money?

He was guaranteed that money when he signed his rookie deal.
One of those things that can void the guarantee, is dumb ish like this.

Two weeks ago if they had cut him, he was owed his salary for next two years. Now, if they cut him, they owe him nothing.



This is the secret out of the DeShaun Watson deal. If the Browns want to get rid of him, they can just send some masseuse into his hotel room with a GoPro.

 

[Ilov80s]

It's amazingly stupid, but it's 6 games. He could have pulled a hamstring to the same effect. I don't think you re-shape your whole draft strategy over it.

WR was already a priority imo. Beyond the suspension, this has to open up the idea that Jamo doesn’t have a pro mentality and it’s going to work out.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If he had bet from his home there would be no violation.

That is kind of f-d up.

Yes but it's in the rules

Meanwhile every sports show is sponsored by FanDuel.

All these players had to do was follow one simple rule but let's blame the NFL instead of them!!!!!

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I'm not really seeing the argument that the NFL are being hypocrites here.

There are different rules for players than there are for fans. What's wrong with that?

It's odd everyone is bagging on the NFL instead of the few dopes that can't wait until they get home to make a bet.

 

[Ilov80s]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Detroit target a veteran WR in a draft day trade

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

Also, as noted earlier, there’s a mandatory meeting - for the entire org - every training camp, outlining the league policy. Rookies get a separate meeting as part of their onboarding process. Every team, every year.

They can’t claim ignorance.

Sure. But when you see another fairly high profile player lose a season for a violation, that should hit home even more than the briefing.
When I brief our employees I tend to discuss examples. It works better.

Is there any other examples of a player doing something legal but being suspended because they did it somewhere they weren't allowed?

Tackling some one on the field is legal. On the street it's not.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

As much as I think players should be able to bet on games they’re not involved in or other sports (I know, many disagree); that these guys did this after Calvin Ridley was suspended for similar bets, is just dumb.

Also, as noted earlier, there’s a mandatory meeting - for the entire org - every training camp, outlining the league policy. Rookies get a separate meeting as part of their onboarding process. Every team, every year.

They can’t claim ignorance.

Sure. But when you see another fairly high profile player lose a season for a violation, that should hit home even more than the briefing.
When I brief our employees I tend to discuss examples. It works better.

Is there any other examples of a player doing something legal but being suspended because they did it somewhere they weren't allowed?

Drinking alcohol is legal. Try doing it at most work places.

 

[ghostguy123]

If he had bet from his home there would be no violation.

That is kind of f-d up.

Yes but it's in the rules

Meanwhile every sports show is sponsored by FanDuel.

All these players had to do was follow one simple rule but let's blame the NFL instead of them!!!!!

He did something against the rules and should face the punishment.
The rule is really dumb.

Both things can be true

 

[-OZ-]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Detroit target a veteran WR in a draft day trade

Nuk. He’ll be injured by the time J-Will returns.

 

[Ilov80s]

I wouldn’t be surprised to see Detroit target a veteran WR in a draft day trade

Nuk. He’ll be injured by the time J-Will returns.

Oh god I hope that’s not the route

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If he had bet from his home there would be no violation.

That is kind of f-d up.

Yes but it's in the rules

Meanwhile every sports show is sponsored by FanDuel.

All these players had to do was follow one simple rule but let's blame the NFL instead of them!!!!!

He did something against the rules and should face the punishment.
The rule is really dumb.

Both things can be true

Yeah, sure. Not sure how that refutes what I said. Some people in here are blaming the dumb rule. There's many laws that I don't agree with. It doesn't give me the right to violate them.

Unless you're trying to say these players are heroes for standing against the injustice of this terrible rule.