WR Jameson Williams, DET (4 Viewers)

[Deamon]

I'm just saying that I consider Jameson one of the highest upside players, relative to ADP on the board this year.

I mean, I understand there is so much offensive talent surrounding him that he has to compete with but none of those guys, not even Gibbs, was as highly rated coming out of college. Not even close.

He went 12th overall while recovering from an ACL. He probably would have been the #1 WR off the board but for that.

Every single report this off-season suggests he's locked in, more than one suggests he has truly embraced ARSB's work ethic.

I'm sorry (not sorry) but it is difficult not to look at the confluence of his inherent talent and an [the possibility of] ARSB (ahem Jerry Rice) level work ethic, and wonder what is the limit?

Even with ARSB, Gibbs, Montgomery & La Porta to contend with, it's not a huge stretch to think Jameson could finish the season ahead of them all and, ATM, they are all being drafted ahead of him.

Dammit. Last thing I'm gonna read before my draft in minutes. You doomed me to take him way to early. I shall curse your name immediately. Ha ha

let us know where he goes!

Well. Fantasypros has him at 121, which seems silly. He just went 101 in my draft. Not by me. Ha ha.

FBG has him at 135. Maybe they'll adjust that soon after this thread, but that is really low.

Have done 50 Bestballs and a few weeks ago he was going 110-125, and this week he's going 90-105. My goal is always just to get him pre 105, and I have in about 40 of those leagues.

 

[cdclopper]

Id rather have an air fryer.

 

[FarFromHome]

Every season we have a player that fluctuates like 10 rounds depending on each league. Meet Jameson Williams.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Goff gonna be chucking moon balls

Screw it, Jamo down there somewhere

 

[BobbyLayne]

I'm just saying that I consider Jameson one of the highest upside players, relative to ADP on the board this year.

I mean, I understand there is so much offensive talent surrounding him that he has to compete with but none of those guys, not even Gibbs, was as highly rated coming out of college. Not even close.

He went 12th overall while recovering from an ACL. He probably would have been the #1 WR off the board but for that.

Every single report this off-season suggests he's locked in, more than one suggests he has truly embraced ARSB's work ethic.

I'm sorry (not sorry) but it is difficult not to look at the confluence of his inherent talent and an [the possibility of] ARSB (ahem Jerry Rice) level work ethic, and wonder what is the limit?

Even with ARSB, Gibbs, Montgomery & La Porta to contend with, it's not a huge stretch to think Jameson could finish the season ahead of them all and, ATM, they are all being drafted ahead of him.

Dammit. Last thing I'm gonna read before my draft in minutes. You doomed me to take him way to early. I shall curse your name immediately. Ha ha

let us know where he goes!

Well. Fantasypros has him at 121, which seems silly. He just went 101 in my draft. Not by me. Ha ha.

FBG has him at 135. Maybe they'll adjust that soon after this thread, but that is really low.

Have done 50 Bestballs and a few weeks ago he was going 110-125, and this week he's going 90-105. My goal is always just to get him pre 105, and I have in about 40 of those leagues.

I won’t think about him until round 8

I don’t think he’ll play in the preseason so not expecting too much helium

 

[jm192]

I think they'll make an effort to get the ball in his hands in space a lot more this season. Yes, he can take the top off the defense. Yes, they will absolutely send him down the field. But I think we saw in the playoff game vs the 49ers--they want to manufacture touches and give him a chance to use his speed to break big plays.

 

[oswizzle]

Based on this thread … Goff is going to throw for 8k yards and 58TD’s …

 

[jon_mx]

Based on this thread … Goff is going to throw for 8k yards and 58TD’s …

Goff has had three seasons over 4500 yards. Lots of reasons to believe he could be pushing 5000 this season. So often analysis assumes an offense a zero sum game, but it is not. The biggest obstacles to a massive passing season is the Lions defense will be mych better and the Lions running game is too good.

 

[Deamon]

Based on this thread … Goff is going to throw for 8k yards and 58TD’s …

Goff has had three seasons over 4500 yards. Lots of reasons to believe he could be pushing 5000 this season. So often analysis assumes an offense a zero sum game, but it is not. The biggest obstacles to a massive passing season is the Lions defense will be mych better and the Lions running game is too good.

And they'll probably be up by over 40 at the half of most games and not even bring out their starters for the 2nd half.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Based on this thread … Goff is going to throw for 8k yards and 58TD’s …

Goff has had three seasons over 4500 yards. Lots of reasons to believe he could be pushing 5000 this season. So often analysis assumes an offense a zero sum game, but it is not. The biggest obstacles to a massive passing season is the Lions defense will be mych better and the Lions running game is too good.

And they'll probably be up by over 40 at the half of most games and not even bring out their starters for the 2nd half.

Probably be some rule change proposal after this year to cap the number of First Team All Pro slots allocated to one team.

 

[jon_mx]

Based on this thread … Goff is going to throw for 8k yards and 58TD’s …

Goff has had three seasons over 4500 yards. Lots of reasons to believe he could be pushing 5000 this season. So often analysis assumes an offense a zero sum game, but it is not. The biggest obstacles to a massive passing season is the Lions defense will be mych better and the Lions running game is too good.

And they'll probably be up by over 40 at the half of most games and not even bring out their starters for the 2nd half.

Probably be some rule change proposal after this year to cap the number of First Team All Pro slots allocated to one team.

Really that is what I am saying? I thought I was saying Jamo will be closer to WR#20 than WR#50.

 

[Deamon]

Based on this thread … Goff is going to throw for 8k yards and 58TD’s …

Goff has had three seasons over 4500 yards. Lots of reasons to believe he could be pushing 5000 this season. So often analysis assumes an offense a zero sum game, but it is not. The biggest obstacles to a massive passing season is the Lions defense will be mych better and the Lions running game is too good.

And they'll probably be up by over 40 at the half of most games and not even bring out their starters for the 2nd half.

Probably be some rule change proposal after this year to cap the number of First Team All Pro slots allocated to one team.

Really that is what I am saying? I thought I was saying Jamo will be closer to WR#20 than WR#50.

lol no backpedaling now, keep it going!

You didn't say closer to wr20 than wr50, you said he's a 1300 yard guy (would put him top 10), and also that you "could see him going in the 3rd round" (which puts him top 15 WR)

 

[HW_53]

I would just love for this guy to find a floor every week, because the ceiling is off the charts for this kid... Beyond the off-field stuff, he's obviously made some mental errors over the past few years that have chapped Campbell, but if it's ever going to happen for him, it's now. He probably should've taken Jaleel McLaughlin's lead and bought a juggs machine to practice with this offseason, because the body catches are still there. But, IF he catches it, he's most likely GONE.

 

[jon_mx]

Based on this thread … Goff is going to throw for 8k yards and 58TD’s …

Goff has had three seasons over 4500 yards. Lots of reasons to believe he could be pushing 5000 this season. So often analysis assumes an offense a zero sum game, but it is not. The biggest obstacles to a massive passing season is the Lions defense will be mych better and the Lions running game is too good.

And they'll probably be up by over 40 at the half of most games and not even bring out their starters for the 2nd half.

Probably be some rule change proposal after this year to cap the number of First Team All Pro slots allocated to one team.

Really that is what I am saying? I thought I was saying Jamo will be closer to WR#20 than WR#50.

lol no backpedaling now, keep it going!

You didn't say closer to wr20 than wr50, you said he's a 1300 yard guy (would put him top 10), and also that you "could see him going in the 3rd round" (which puts him top 15 WR)

1300 total...I think he gets 200 of that rushing. WR10-20 range is about where I figure.

 

[BobbyLayne]

20 WRs have had 1300 YFS (Rush + Rec) seasons since 2021 (5+7+8)

 

[jon_mx]

20 WRs have had 1300 YFS (Rush + Rec) seasons since 2021 (5+7+8)

But in PPR, 90-1100 is the same as 70-1100 and 200.

Olave was wr16 with 87-1123

 

[Deamon]

Jamo is looking at a stat line of 76-1140-9. Throw on a dozen rushes for 12-180-3 into the mix and you are looking at about 1400 yards and 12 TDs

man... you said "I thought I was saying Jamo will be closer to WR#20 than WR#50."

Your projections put him at 288 ppr fantasy points. That puts him as WR7 last year.

You're saying a lot more than "he'll be closer to 20 than 50". You're projecting him as a top 10 WR this year which is why it's hard for anyone to take you seriously.

 

[Chaka]

I have no problem projecting him around WR18 this season. And I think he absolutely has the ability to finish top 5.

Not sure circumstances will allow that to happen but I think he will be a set it and forget it player for fantasy managers by mid season. After they get over whatever reasons they were using to keep him out of their lineups to that point.

 

[jon_mx]

Jamo is looking at a stat line of 76-1140-9. Throw on a dozen rushes for 12-180-3 into the mix and you are looking at about 1400 yards and 12 TDs

man... you said "I thought I was saying Jamo will be closer to WR#20 than WR#50."

Your projections put him at 288 ppr fantasy points. That puts him as WR7 last year.

You're saying a lot more than "he'll be closer to 20 than 50". You're projecting him as a top 10 WR this year which is why it's hard for anyone to take you seriously.

Whatever. I don't even play ff anymore. All I know with 100 percent certainty is projecting Jamo with a 600 yard is silly. He will have that by mid season. I know, I am an idiot. All the smart people over the years say smart things like:

-4th round WRs never make it.

-Goff is nothing but a bridge QB. Lions need to draft a QB.

- Gibbs at pick 12 was a waste. Can get a RB much later that is just as good.

- LaPorta was the wrong TE. There were better TEs available.

- Jamo is a bust. Nothing but a 9th round FF value.

Come about week 4, it will be clear the smart people are 0 for 5.

 

[Banger]

I like Jamo and the camp hype is great but I just don’t see there being enough balls to go around. AmonRa and Laporta and Gibbs out backfield will be primary targets while Jamo will get home run balls like Gabe Davis. I just don’t see him getting consistent enough targets to take the jump many are predicting.

 

[Chaka]

I like Jamo and the camp hype is great but I just don’t see there being enough balls to go around. AmonRa and Laporta and Gibbs out backfield will be primary targets while Jamo will get home run balls like Gabe Davis. I just don’t see him getting consistent enough targets to take the jump many are predicting.

This is a common refrain and I understand where it is coming from. But I also very easily see a path where Jamo simply plays too well to not increase his share, even if it means LaPorta, Gibbs and ARSB get a little less. The #3/4/5 WRs & #2/3 TEs & #3/4 RBs may see their total opportunities decrease. Consider the possibility of the Lions putting up more yards & points than last season and I have no problem projecting Williams as a WR2 in fantasy.

 

[bluemanfoo]

His rookie season was a "redshirt" season coming off the ACL injury. Last year, he was suspended to start the season for making a non NFL bet while on NFL property. And he had bad hands as Dan Campbell stated last year before he played. This offseason/training camp, he could finally focus on getting better, and reports emphatically state that he did. He knows his 5th year option then free agency is coming up, and he sees the big paydays that receivers have been getting. And he reportedly came into camp looking like a "totally different player". Hit or miss, he's the exactly the talented receiver I want to spend my 9th/10th round pick on. Would I gamble a 5th rounder on him? No.

 

[Deamon]

Jamo is looking at a stat line of 76-1140-9. Throw on a dozen rushes for 12-180-3 into the mix and you are looking at about 1400 yards and 12 TDs

man... you said "I thought I was saying Jamo will be closer to WR#20 than WR#50."

Your projections put him at 288 ppr fantasy points. That puts him as WR7 last year.

You're saying a lot more than "he'll be closer to 20 than 50". You're projecting him as a top 10 WR this year which is why it's hard for anyone to take you seriously.

Whatever. I don't even play ff anymore. All I know with 100 percent certainty is projecting Jamo with a 600 yard is silly. He will have that by mid season. I know, I am an idiot. All the smart people over the years say smart things like:

-4th round WRs never make it.

-Goff is nothing but a bridge QB. Lions need to draft a QB.

- Gibbs at pick 12 was a waste. Can get a RB much later that is just as good.

- LaPorta was the wrong TE. There were better TEs available.

- Jamo is a bust. Nothing but a 9th round FF value.

Come about week 4, it will be clear the smart people are 0 for 5.

I love Jamo this year... probably my highest targeted player. Have done 60 Bestballl drafts and got him in about 35 of them. Absolutely love his value and think he's going to break out in a big way this year. I think there's almost no way he gets 1400 yards and 12tds though. We can still love the guy and not have such wild projections.

 

[Ilov80s]

Jamo went off against the Giants today.

 

[Deamon]

His rookie season was a "redshirt" season coming off the ACL injury. Last year, he was suspended to start the season for making a non NFL bet while on NFL property. And he had bad hands as Dan Campbell stated last year before he played. This offseason/training camp, he could finally focus on getting better, and reports emphatically state that he did. He knows his 5th year option then free agency is coming up, and he sees the big paydays that receivers have been getting. And he reportedly came into camp looking like a "totally different player". Hit or miss, he's the exactly the talented receiver I want to spend my 9th/10th round pick on. Would I gamble a 5th rounder on him? No.

Ya I'm scooping him everywhere in the 9th/10th I can. He has moved up into 8 round territory though, and I could see him by September being taken round 7.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Jamo went off against the Giants today.

Yung Joka would go off against the Giants secondary. They are terrible.

 

[msudaisy26]

Jamo went off against the Giants today.

To be fair, Nabers, Hyatt and Slayton have been dominating the Giants secondary during their team events.

 

[jon_mx]

Jamo went off against the Giants today.

More red flags

 

[Ray_T]

Jamo went off against the Giants today.

yeah, thats maybe not a reason to draft him. as mentioned earlier, everyone feasts on the Giants secondary.

and at this time of the year its likely not even starters hes dominating against. Lets rein this in a bit. its way too early in pre season to let hype over a joint practice to rule our draft. there is a lot of time between now and draft day for most of us.

 

[BassNBrew]

His rookie season was a "redshirt" season coming off the ACL injury. Last year, he was suspended to start the season for making a non NFL bet while on NFL property. And he had bad hands as Dan Campbell stated last year before he played. This offseason/training camp, he could finally focus on getting better, and reports emphatically state that he did. He knows his 5th year option then free agency is coming up, and he sees the big paydays that receivers have been getting. And he reportedly came into camp looking like a "totally different player". Hit or miss, he's the exactly the talented receiver I want to spend my 9th/10th round pick on. Would I gamble a 5th rounder on him? No.

Ya I'm scooping him everywhere in the 9th/10th I can. He has moved up into 8 round territory though, and I could see him by September being taken round 7.

8.7 for me today as WR45 in a WR heavy league. That was right about where Bob Henry has him. It was either that or start guessing Buffalo WRs. He's currently in my bench slot 2 which may be bench slot 1 depending on what I do at QB. Those details aren't important. Point is I'm willing to give up 10-20 FF pts on the season for his ceiling.

 

[TheWinz]

I like Jamo and the camp hype is great but I just don’t see there being enough balls to go around. AmonRa and Laporta and Gibbs out backfield will be primary targets while Jamo will get home run balls like Gabe Davis. I just don’t see him getting consistent enough targets to take the jump many are predicting.

2013
Demaryius Thomas is WR1 with 92/1430/14
Eric Decker is WR9 with 87/1288/11
Wes Welker is WR21 with 73/778/10
Julius Thomas is TE2 with 65/788/12
RB Knowshon Moreno catches 60 for 548

Of course I realize Peyton Manning had the best ever passing season to make the above happen, but what if we just completely remove Demaryius Thomas from this equation?
Amon-Ra St. Brown is WR9 with 87/1288/11
Jameson Williams is WR21 with 73/778/10
Sam LaPorta is TE2 with 65/788/12
RB Jahmyr Gibbs catches 60 for 548

Jared Goff throws for 4037 yards and 41 TD's. Those are doable numbers. Actually, the yards aren't only doable, they are too low, so you can give a few hundred more to Jamo.

 

[BassNBrew]

I like Jamo and the camp hype is great but I just don’t see there being enough balls to go around. AmonRa and Laporta and Gibbs out backfield will be primary targets while Jamo will get home run balls like Gabe Davis. I just don’t see him getting consistent enough targets to take the jump many are predicting.

2013
Demaryius Thomas is WR1 with 92/1430/14
Eric Decker is WR9 with 87/1288/11
Wes Welker is WR21 with 73/778/10
Julius Thomas is TE2 with 65/788/12
RB Knowshon Moreno catches 60 for 548

Of course I realize Peyton Manning had the best ever passing season to make the above happen, but what if we just completely remove Demaryius Thomas from this equation?
Amon-Ra St. Brown is WR9 with 87/1288/11
Jameson Williams is WR21 with 73/778/10
Sam LaPorta is TE2 with 65/788/12
RB Jahmyr Gibbs catches 60 for 548

Jared Goff throws for 4037 yards and 41 TD's. Those are doable numbers. Actually, the yards aren't only doable, they are too low, so you can give a few hundred more to Jamo.

You're about 300 yards to low for Williams with that many receptions.

Add in 650 for Raymond and Peoples-Jones

Add in 130 for Monty and another 150 for back up TEs.

Now you have Goff at 5117 and 43 TDs, about #5 or #6 all time. That would be with a team that is in the upper half of the league in run/pass ratio. That would require about 1333 snap or 10% that the NFL record of 1199.

The numbers don't add up.

 

[TheWinz]

Now you have Goff at 5117 and 43 TDs

I was only trying to show that Jamo can very well finish as a WR2 and still have Amon as a WR1, Laporta as a TE1, and Gibbs with a bunch of catches. There are enough pass attempts to make that possible. It's happened many times by many teams.

 

[BassNBrew]

Now you have Goff at 5117 and 43 TDs

I was only trying to show that Jamo can very well finish as a WR2 and still have Amon as a WR1, Laporta as a TE1, and Gibbs with a bunch of catches. There are enough pass attempts to make that possible. It's happened many times by many teams.

But not with that run/pass ratio. There will have to be a philosophical change in Detroit and some disappointed Gibbs/Monty owners for it to happen.

Much more likely that Jameson eats at ASB's trough this year.

 

[TheWinz]

But not with that run/pass ratio. There will have to be a philosophical change in Detroit and some disappointed Gibbs/Monty owners for it to happen.

Much more likely that Jameson eats at ASB's trough this year.

OK, let's use last year's DET passing numbers as a baseline, and see if a major change is needed for Jameson to become a viable WR2, while still keeping Gibbs, ARSB, and LaPorta with the same targets as last year. The WR's combined for 333 targets, of which ARSB had 164. That leaves 169 targets for the remaining WR's, if we assume Goff throws at the same clip as last year. How does this breakdown look for those 169 targets?
Williams - 100
Raymond - 40
Peoples-Jones - 20
Others - 9

With 100 targets, let's say Jamo catches 62 passes at 17 YPC, and let's give him 9 TD's. That would put him at 221.4 PPR FP. Last year, that would place him as WR23. I really don't think I exaggerated anywhere. And we did this without taking anything away from the RB's, TE's, or ARSB.

 

[BassNBrew]

But not with that run/pass ratio. There will have to be a philosophical change in Detroit and some disappointed Gibbs/Monty owners for it to happen.

Much more likely that Jameson eats at ASB's trough this year.

OK, let's use last year's DET passing numbers as a baseline, and see if a major change is needed for Jameson to become a viable WR2, while still keeping Gibbs, ARSB, and LaPorta with the same targets as last year. The WR's combined for 333 targets, of which ARSB had 164. That leaves 169 targets for the remaining WR's, if we assume Goff throws at the same clip as last year. How does this breakdown look for those 169 targets?
Williams - 100
Raymond - 40
Peoples-Jones - 20
Others - 9

With 100 targets, let's say Jamo catches 62 passes at 17 YPC, and let's give him 9 TD's. That would put him at 221.4 PPR FP. Last year, that would place him as WR23. I really don't think I exaggerated anywhere. And we did this without taking anything away from the RB's, TE's, or ARSB.

I think these will be their receptions, not target numbers. So I think you have closer to 100 targets going elsewhere.

Personally I think you'll see Jameson nibble at ASB targets and feast on his yards.

 

[TheWinz]

But not with that run/pass ratio. There will have to be a philosophical change in Detroit and some disappointed Gibbs/Monty owners for it to happen.

Much more likely that Jameson eats at ASB's trough this year.

OK, let's use last year's DET passing numbers as a baseline, and see if a major change is needed for Jameson to become a viable WR2, while still keeping Gibbs, ARSB, and LaPorta with the same targets as last year. The WR's combined for 333 targets, of which ARSB had 164. That leaves 169 targets for the remaining WR's, if we assume Goff throws at the same clip as last year. How does this breakdown look for those 169 targets?
Williams - 100
Raymond - 40
Peoples-Jones - 20
Others - 9

With 100 targets, let's say Jamo catches 62 passes at 17 YPC, and let's give him 9 TD's. That would put him at 221.4 PPR FP. Last year, that would place him as WR23. I really don't think I exaggerated anywhere. And we did this without taking anything away from the RB's, TE's, or ARSB.

I think these will be their receptions, not target numbers. So I think you have closer to 100 targets going elsewhere.

Personally I think you'll see Jameson nibble at ASB targets and feast on his yards.

Do you think Jameson will be anywhere near 100 targets?

 

[BassNBrew]

But not with that run/pass ratio. There will have to be a philosophical change in Detroit and some disappointed Gibbs/Monty owners for it to happen.

Much more likely that Jameson eats at ASB's trough this year.

OK, let's use last year's DET passing numbers as a baseline, and see if a major change is needed for Jameson to become a viable WR2, while still keeping Gibbs, ARSB, and LaPorta with the same targets as last year. The WR's combined for 333 targets, of which ARSB had 164. That leaves 169 targets for the remaining WR's, if we assume Goff throws at the same clip as last year. How does this breakdown look for those 169 targets?
Williams - 100
Raymond - 40
Peoples-Jones - 20
Others - 9

With 100 targets, let's say Jamo catches 62 passes at 17 YPC, and let's give him 9 TD's. That would put him at 221.4 PPR FP. Last year, that would place him as WR23. I really don't think I exaggerated anywhere. And we did this without taking anything away from the RB's, TE's, or ARSB.

I think these will be their receptions, not target numbers. So I think you have closer to 100 targets going elsewhere.

Personally I think you'll see Jameson nibble at ASB targets and feast on his yards.

Do you think Jameson will be anywhere near 100 targets?

I moved up from 9.5 to 8.7 to draft him so I sure hope so. I also believe he should. Better pedigree than ASB. Could very easily become a Nuka/Kupp situation.

I'm fine with people projecting big numbers for Jameson. I just think they should be coming from other sources and not by projecting Goff with a top 5 historical season when the coach likes to run the ball and has Gibbs/Monty.

 

[TheWinz]

But not with that run/pass ratio. There will have to be a philosophical change in Detroit and some disappointed Gibbs/Monty owners for it to happen.

Much more likely that Jameson eats at ASB's trough this year.

OK, let's use last year's DET passing numbers as a baseline, and see if a major change is needed for Jameson to become a viable WR2, while still keeping Gibbs, ARSB, and LaPorta with the same targets as last year. The WR's combined for 333 targets, of which ARSB had 164. That leaves 169 targets for the remaining WR's, if we assume Goff throws at the same clip as last year. How does this breakdown look for those 169 targets?
Williams - 100
Raymond - 40
Peoples-Jones - 20
Others - 9

With 100 targets, let's say Jamo catches 62 passes at 17 YPC, and let's give him 9 TD's. That would put him at 221.4 PPR FP. Last year, that would place him as WR23. I really don't think I exaggerated anywhere. And we did this without taking anything away from the RB's, TE's, or ARSB.

I think these will be their receptions, not target numbers. So I think you have closer to 100 targets going elsewhere.

Personally I think you'll see Jameson nibble at ASB targets and feast on his yards.

Do you think Jameson will be anywhere near 100 targets?

I moved up from 9.5 to 8.7 to draft him so I sure hope so. I also believe he should. Better pedigree than ASB. Could very easily become a Nuka/Kupp situation.

I'm fine with people projecting big numbers for Jameson. I just think they should be coming from other sources and not by projecting Goff with a top 5 historical season when the coach likes to run the ball and has Gibbs/Monty.

Very well put, thanx

 

[travdogg]

Hoping all this Williams hype starts to make LaPorta more palatable. I can't envision a scenario where LaPorta isn't still the #2 target.

 

[Soulfly3]

But not with that run/pass ratio. There will have to be a philosophical change in Detroit and some disappointed Gibbs/Monty owners for it to happen.

Much more likely that Jameson eats at ASB's trough this year.

OK, let's use last year's DET passing numbers as a baseline, and see if a major change is needed for Jameson to become a viable WR2, while still keeping Gibbs, ARSB, and LaPorta with the same targets as last year. The WR's combined for 333 targets, of which ARSB had 164. That leaves 169 targets for the remaining WR's, if we assume Goff throws at the same clip as last year. How does this breakdown look for those 169 targets?
Williams - 100
Raymond - 40
Peoples-Jones - 20
Others - 9

With 100 targets, let's say Jamo catches 62 passes at 17 YPC, and let's give him 9 TD's. That would put him at 221.4 PPR FP. Last year, that would place him as WR23. I really don't think I exaggerated anywhere. And we did this without taking anything away from the RB's, TE's, or ARSB.

I think these will be their receptions, not target numbers. So I think you have closer to 100 targets going elsewhere.

Personally I think you'll see Jameson nibble at ASB targets and feast on his yards.

Do you think Jameson will be anywhere near 100 targets?

healthy? absolutely

 

[Deamon]

His rookie season was a "redshirt" season coming off the ACL injury. Last year, he was suspended to start the season for making a non NFL bet while on NFL property. And he had bad hands as Dan Campbell stated last year before he played. This offseason/training camp, he could finally focus on getting better, and reports emphatically state that he did. He knows his 5th year option then free agency is coming up, and he sees the big paydays that receivers have been getting. And he reportedly came into camp looking like a "totally different player". Hit or miss, he's the exactly the talented receiver I want to spend my 9th/10th round pick on. Would I gamble a 5th rounder on him? No.

Ya I'm scooping him everywhere in the 9th/10th I can. He has moved up into 8 round territory though, and I could see him by September being taken round 7.

8.7 for me today as WR45 in a WR heavy league. That was right about where Bob Henry has him. It was either that or start guessing Buffalo WRs. He's currently in my bench slot 2 which may be bench slot 1 depending on what I do at QB. Those details aren't important. Point is I'm willing to give up 10-20 FF pts on the season for his ceiling.

Good spot for him. Good value there. That is pick 102, and he's been creeping into pick 85 range. Again, those talks about him going in round 3-4 are just nuts.

 

[BobbyLayne]

[Justin Rogers]

I turned my attention to the receiver/cornerback work on Sunday.

The reps were highly competitive, with starting quarterback Jared Goff handling all the throws, while backup Nate Sudfeld worked with the running backs and tight ends on the other field.

Let’s start with Goff, who was on his game for this drill, dropping some unbelievable deep passes in stride throughout the practice segment. Honestly, it might have been the best I’ve ever seen him run a drill, start to finish, during his time in Detroit.

Receivers who benefitted from those deep balls were Donovan Peoples-Jones, Tre’Quan Smith, Kaden Davis, Amon-Ra St. Brown and Kalif Raymond. Goff also dropped one over the shoulder of Isaiah Williams, but the undrafted rookie bobbled and dropped the throw.

The only bad ball was to Jameson Williams. Because of his rare speed, Goff tried to put a little more under the throw and ended up a touch long on the bomb.

Williams, after such a strong start to this offseason, has run into a rough stretch of drops, starting last week and continuing through the weekend. He put at least four balls on the ground Sunday, including two easy ones on back-to-back plays to open the full-team period. It feels mental and he’s probably due for some kind of reset to get his mind back to where it was to start camp.

He should have a good launching point after making a ridiculous, full-extension grab across the middle for 29 yards during a situational drill near the end of practice.

At the conclusion of the situational drill, Jake Bates made a 64 yard FG that looked like it would have cleared 70+ to end the practice on a high note.

 

[BobbyLayne]

veteran WR/PR Kalif Raymond talked about Jamo’s development today

Kalif and ARSB are two guys who are always at the facilities, first ones there at 6am, last ones out. If he’s impressed with how hard Williams has worked this year, that’s a legit stamp of approval in my eyes.

If you listen to the whole segment, he also talks about what a film rat JG is, and he’s been coming out early almost every day to get some extra work in with Jameson before they warm up.

This is all puffy August hype, let’s see on the field, right? But I’m a firm believer success during the season starts way before then. You’ve got to have that innate drive that says “if I’m not getting 1% better every day, this league will pass me by.” Hard work in the offseason leads to good OTAs which produces a good TC which leads to greatness on the field.

Talent is important, but you lose that advantage if you’re not putting in the work.

 

[jon_mx]

His rookie season was a "redshirt" season coming off the ACL injury. Last year, he was suspended to start the season for making a non NFL bet while on NFL property. And he had bad hands as Dan Campbell stated last year before he played. This offseason/training camp, he could finally focus on getting better, and reports emphatically state that he did. He knows his 5th year option then free agency is coming up, and he sees the big paydays that receivers have been getting. And he reportedly came into camp looking like a "totally different player". Hit or miss, he's the exactly the talented receiver I want to spend my 9th/10th round pick on. Would I gamble a 5th rounder on him? No.

Ya I'm scooping him everywhere in the 9th/10th I can. He has moved up into 8 round territory though, and I could see him by September being taken round 7.

8.7 for me today as WR45 in a WR heavy league. That was right about where Bob Henry has him. It was either that or start guessing Buffalo WRs. He's currently in my bench slot 2 which may be bench slot 1 depending on what I do at QB. Those details aren't important. Point is I'm willing to give up 10-20 FF pts on the season for his ceiling.

Good spot for him. Good value there. That is pick 102, and he's been creeping into pick 85 range. Again, those talks about him going in round 3-4 are just nuts.

I am not talking about that is where you should take him. That is where he should go if people properly evaluated him. And when he ends up WR20, it will show how ridiculously he has been unfairly downgraded by the 'experts'. He is an absolute lock for being one of the top 'sleepers'. Who will look sillier, the people ranking him as WR#50 or me ranking him WR#20? I am betting it won't be me.

 

[Deamon]

His rookie season was a "redshirt" season coming off the ACL injury. Last year, he was suspended to start the season for making a non NFL bet while on NFL property. And he had bad hands as Dan Campbell stated last year before he played. This offseason/training camp, he could finally focus on getting better, and reports emphatically state that he did. He knows his 5th year option then free agency is coming up, and he sees the big paydays that receivers have been getting. And he reportedly came into camp looking like a "totally different player". Hit or miss, he's the exactly the talented receiver I want to spend my 9th/10th round pick on. Would I gamble a 5th rounder on him? No.

Ya I'm scooping him everywhere in the 9th/10th I can. He has moved up into 8 round territory though, and I could see him by September being taken round 7.

8.7 for me today as WR45 in a WR heavy league. That was right about where Bob Henry has him. It was either that or start guessing Buffalo WRs. He's currently in my bench slot 2 which may be bench slot 1 depending on what I do at QB. Those details aren't important. Point is I'm willing to give up 10-20 FF pts on the season for his ceiling.

Good spot for him. Good value there. That is pick 102, and he's been creeping into pick 85 range. Again, those talks about him going in round 3-4 are just nuts.

I am not talking about that is where you should take him. That is where he should go if people properly evaluated him. And when he ends up WR20, it will show how ridiculously he has been unfairly downgraded by the 'experts'. He is an absolute lock for being one of the top 'sleepers'. Who will look sillier, the people ranking him as WR#50 or me ranking him WR#20? I am betting it won't be me.

You didn't rank him WR#20. You gave projections that ranked him as WR#7.

FBG has him ranked WR#57 for what it's worth. I see him as closer to WR#30, so still a huge steal where he's going.

You gotta chill out on the top 10 WR projections.

 

[jon_mx]

His rookie season was a "redshirt" season coming off the ACL injury. Last year, he was suspended to start the season for making a non NFL bet while on NFL property. And he had bad hands as Dan Campbell stated last year before he played. This offseason/training camp, he could finally focus on getting better, and reports emphatically state that he did. He knows his 5th year option then free agency is coming up, and he sees the big paydays that receivers have been getting. And he reportedly came into camp looking like a "totally different player". Hit or miss, he's the exactly the talented receiver I want to spend my 9th/10th round pick on. Would I gamble a 5th rounder on him? No.

Ya I'm scooping him everywhere in the 9th/10th I can. He has moved up into 8 round territory though, and I could see him by September being taken round 7.

8.7 for me today as WR45 in a WR heavy league. That was right about where Bob Henry has him. It was either that or start guessing Buffalo WRs. He's currently in my bench slot 2 which may be bench slot 1 depending on what I do at QB. Those details aren't important. Point is I'm willing to give up 10-20 FF pts on the season for his ceiling.

Good spot for him. Good value there. That is pick 102, and he's been creeping into pick 85 range. Again, those talks about him going in round 3-4 are just nuts.

I am not talking about that is where you should take him. That is where he should go if people properly evaluated him. And when he ends up WR20, it will show how ridiculously he has been unfairly downgraded by the 'experts'. He is an absolute lock for being one of the top 'sleepers'. Who will look sillier, the people ranking him as WR#50 or me ranking him WR#20? I am betting it won't be me.

You didn't rank him WR#20. You gave projections that ranked him as WR#7.

FBG has him ranked WR#57 for what it's worth. I see him as closer to WR#30, so still a huge steal where he's going.

You gotta chill out on the top 10 WR projections.

BS...it would put him at WR16 in PPR. 70-1100 with another 200 rushing.

 

[Deamon]

Jamo is clear WR2 and the way the Lions spread the ball that will translate into 5 to 7 targets a game, which should result in about 4.5 catches a game. Jamo is looking at a stat line of 76-1140-9. Throw on a dozen rushes for 12-180-3 into the mix and you are looking at about 1400 yards and 12 TDs.

BS...it would put him at WR16 in PPR. 70-1100 with another 200 rushing.

No, that would put him as WR7 in PPR last year.

 

[Lansdowne]

Jamo is clear WR2 and the way the Lions spread the ball that will translate into 5 to 7 targets a game, which should result in about 4.5 catches a game. Jamo is looking at a stat line of 76-1140-9. Throw on a dozen rushes for 12-180-3 into the mix and you are looking at about 1400 yards and 12 TDs.

BS...it would put him at WR16 in PPR. 70-1100 with another 200 rushing.

No, that would put him as WR7 in PPR last year.

Yup. For comparison, the actual WR7 in full PPR last year was Mike Evans, and he had a 79-1255-13 line (no rushing stats). I would be over-the-moon if Jamo put up Mike Evans numbers, that would pretty much save my dynasty team lol.

 

[BassNBrew]

His rookie season was a "redshirt" season coming off the ACL injury. Last year, he was suspended to start the season for making a non NFL bet while on NFL property. And he had bad hands as Dan Campbell stated last year before he played. This offseason/training camp, he could finally focus on getting better, and reports emphatically state that he did. He knows his 5th year option then free agency is coming up, and he sees the big paydays that receivers have been getting. And he reportedly came into camp looking like a "totally different player". Hit or miss, he's the exactly the talented receiver I want to spend my 9th/10th round pick on. Would I gamble a 5th rounder on him? No.

Ya I'm scooping him everywhere in the 9th/10th I can. He has moved up into 8 round territory though, and I could see him by September being taken round 7.

8.7 for me today as WR45 in a WR heavy league. That was right about where Bob Henry has him. It was either that or start guessing Buffalo WRs. He's currently in my bench slot 2 which may be bench slot 1 depending on what I do at QB. Those details aren't important. Point is I'm willing to give up 10-20 FF pts on the season for his ceiling.

Good spot for him. Good value there. That is pick 102, and he's been creeping into pick 85 range. Again, those talks about him going in round 3-4 are just nuts.

I am not talking about that is where you should take him. That is where he should go if people properly evaluated him. And when he ends up WR20, it will show how ridiculously he has been unfairly downgraded by the 'experts'. He is an absolute lock for being one of the top 'sleepers'. Who will look sillier, the people ranking him as WR#50 or me ranking him WR#20? I am betting it won't be me.

You didn't rank him WR#20. You gave projections that ranked him as WR#7.

FBG has him ranked WR#57 for what it's worth. I see him as closer to WR#30, so still a huge steal where he's going.

You gotta chill out on the top 10 WR projections.

BS...it would put him at WR16 in PPR. 70-1100 with another 200 rushing.

254 pts. Tied with Adams for number 10.