thats a fair comment.
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msudaisy26
Footballguy
No league winners have magical seasons or beat their ADP by 5ish rounds. If Jamo was wr 15ish he is a league winner.
Exactly. Even with the 3WR+Flex, this is a gigantic exaggeration.
So is WR45...
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
2023:
Goff threw 605 times
The top 4 saw 419 targets
4.95 TD % for Goff is an outlier to the league.
7 years as a FT starter, beginning in 2017 (first four w/ LAR, last 3 w/ DET)
Doesn’t seem like a strong regression candidate to me but you do you.
Goff threw 605 times
The top 4 saw 419 targets
4.95 TD % for Goff is an outlier to the league.
7 years as a FT starter, beginning in 2017 (first four w/ LAR, last 3 w/ DET)
- 5.9%
- 5.7%
- 3.5%
- 3.6%
- 3.8%
- 4.9%
- 5.0%
Doesn’t seem like a strong regression candidate to me but you do you.
When Goff has an elite running game and an elite OL, Goff is elite. IMHO, this year is setting up for Goff's best season ever given the talent around him. One of Goff's weaknesses has been throwing an accurate true deep ball, and that is his biggest area of focus working with Jamo this off-season. Goff has thrown for over 4500 yards three times. I think he hits 4800 this season.
My favorite lotto parley is for Goff, Tua and Burrow to each throw over 4500 yards @ +14900.
NOTE: Goff is actually one of the most accurate 'deep' ball throwers when they define it as 20 yards downfield. But that is not what I am calling a true deep ball.
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I'm starting to wonder now if even I am over ranking him by a large margin by having him ranked as WR30.
In the 5 high stakes leagues I'm currently slow drafting in or have live drafted this week, this is where Jamo was drafted:
WR43
WR44
WR47
WR48
WR48
WR52
And in 5 of those 6, I am the one that took him, so who knows how far he would have gone lol
I have kind of been pushing it a bit later and later in each of my drafts before pulling the trigger as I'm seeing so many people avoid taking him until R10+
In the 5 high stakes leagues I'm currently slow drafting in or have live drafted this week, this is where Jamo was drafted:
WR43
WR44
WR47
WR48
WR48
WR52
And in 5 of those 6, I am the one that took him, so who knows how far he would have gone lol
I have kind of been pushing it a bit later and later in each of my drafts before pulling the trigger as I'm seeing so many people avoid taking him until R10+
Long Ball Larry
Footballguy
It does sort of seem like he’s underrated given his situation and talent, honestly. Though there are probably some questions about his route running skills.
In my Sleeper Draft, I took Jamo as WR51 at the 9.10 draft spot.
WR48 consensus ADP on FantasyPros, and they break it down as:
WR46 for NFL
WR47 for RTSports
WR48 for both ESPN and Sleeper
18 FBG staffers who do WR rankings have him as WR51, with the highest being WR42 and the lowest being WR69
I'm sure there are some experts out there who love him as well, but it seems Jamo's biggest buzz is coming directly from this thread.
FTFY
You yourself said you have him WR30, when the consensus outside this thread has him about WR49. That's a pretty decent gap. WR30 is a middle of the road WR3 in a 12-teamer, whereas WR49 is a top level WR5. Of course, we all know who you are talking about, as he has him finishing WAY ahead of ADP. Personally, I think he is worth his WR48 ADP in a redraft league, but he easily beats that in best ball.
Ya I have him a lot higher than his adp too and am pretty bullish on him. Hence my post today wondering if I am over rating him.
It also comes from Amon-Ra, Goff, Terrion Arnold, Ben Johnson, Dan Campbell and anyone watching camp. What happened is the first few forecaster had negative takes on Jamo, and groupthink has taken over. The vast majority of people lose confidence in their opinion and cave into group-think and become afraid of being wrong and instead agree to create harmony. Going against the group has never bothered me. I would go as far as the negatives against Jamo are utterly absurd.
- his route running looks fantastic
- his hands looks much better
- Goff's confidence in him has skyrocketed
- His speed and allusivenesx is off the chart
- The passing offense is easily top 5
- He has moved from a WR4/5, to the undisputed WR2, but yet everyone wants to use his WR4 numbers to extrapolate and limit his numbers.
- Goff will throw over 625 passes, there is no universe Jamo does no see at least 100.
I would bet $100 against every staffer that their projections is too low.
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Hot Sauce Guy
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BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Weird I took Breece at 1.07 over him, right?
Very weird if you project him out to be WR1. Would you have taken Breece even if Lamb and Hill were both still there on the board at 7?
Weird I took Breece at 1.07 over him, right?
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
it's almost as if I don't believe my own rankings
In the second round Gibbs was there at 18 (2.06)
I took the WR11 off the board MJH (my co-WR1....got London at 31)
In the second round Gibbs was there at 18 (2.06)
I took the WR11 off the board MJH (my co-WR1....got London at 31)
- LaPorta 28th
punted TE to the 9th rnd - Montgomery 59th
took Mostert as my RB3 7 picks later - Jamo 92nd
was debating him or Bowers....thought he'd come back around, went the pick after mine - Goff 123rd
took Stafford 28 picks later - Bates and Lions DST went undrafted
I understand Bates as Dan's love for TDs and 2-pt conversions is real, but the Lions D is a sleeper. They should be a sack and int machine.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Had 2 drafts this weekend. In my 12 team league of friends when I am the only one from Detroit I drafted Williams in the 8th round, In my local homer 12 team league Williams was the first pick of the 4th round.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
In my 12 team all homer draft. St Brown went 4th overall. Gibby and LaPorta went in second round, Goff and Monty late third and Williams in the 4th. I got none of them.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Wow - lot of value fell there with all those reaches.
Game day I am nervous & don’t want to clutter my mind with how my fantasy team is doing. I’ll check it out during halftime of SNF or Monday.
Lions should have a terrific offense but I am glad I didn’t get anyone. I’ll enjoy watching them more by not thinking about FF.
kutta
Footballguy
I just want to verify our bet is on. $100.
If at the end of the regular season Jamo is 40th or better in PPR scoring (total points), I owe you $100.
If he’s 41st or worse, you owe me $100.
There is no out for injury or suspension or anything else.
Deal? (Handshake makes it official).
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Did our local league last night Goff went in the 7th.
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
This is why I never have any Lions on my fantasy teams, too many homers.
Chaka
Footballguy
Very good chance my draft could allow me to end up with ARSB, Gibbs, Goff, Montgomery, LaPorta, Williams.
It's a SuperFlex with only 10 teams this year (we had been 12) so Gibbs falling to the second and taking Goff in the third is completely viable. And we combine TEs with WRs so LaPorta will not go as early as he would in TE leagues.
The question is would I have the cajones to pull that off? It's a great lineup in my league.
It's a SuperFlex with only 10 teams this year (we had been 12) so Gibbs falling to the second and taking Goff in the third is completely viable. And we combine TEs with WRs so LaPorta will not go as early as he would in TE leagues.
The question is would I have the cajones to pull that off? It's a great lineup in my league.
bluemanfoo
Footballguy
Goff is not quite a statue in the pocket like Stafford, but Goff is slow. So of course, he makes a lot of mistakes when he doesn't get protection, and he shines behind a great o-line. Goff has been great of late, but I think a lot of other QBs would put up great numbers playing behind a dominant offensive line.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Stafford isn't a scrambler, but he was always more mobile than Goff.
bluemanfoo
Footballguy
I don't think that's true, but what's not debatable is neither of them can run.
I just want to verify our bet is on. $100.
If at the end of the regular season Jamo is 40th or better in PPR scoring (total points), I owe you $100.
If he’s 41st or worse, you owe me $100.
There is no out for injury or suspension or anything else.
Deal? (Handshake makes it official).
Exactly. Deal.
You need to post that handshake emoji to make it officialI just want to verify our bet is on. $100.
If at the end of the regular season Jamo is 40th or better in PPR scoring (total points), I owe you $100.
If he’s 41st or worse, you owe me $100.
There is no out for injury or suspension or anything else.
Deal? (Handshake makes it official).
Exactly. Deal.
Lol..my bad.You need to post that handshake emoji to make it officialI just want to verify our bet is on. $100.
If at the end of the regular season Jamo is 40th or better in PPR scoring (total points), I owe you $100.
If he’s 41st or worse, you owe me $100.
There is no out for injury or suspension or anything else.
Deal? (Handshake makes it official).
Exactly. Deal.
A gentlemen's agreement has been made... huzzah!!Lol..my bad.You need to post that handshake emoji to make it officialI just want to verify our bet is on. $100.
If at the end of the regular season Jamo is 40th or better in PPR scoring (total points), I owe you $100.
If he’s 41st or worse, you owe me $100.
There is no out for injury or suspension or anything else.
Deal? (Handshake makes it official).
Exactly. Deal.
kutta
Footballguy
It’s a bet I’d be happy losing. Go Lions!Lol..my bad.You need to post that handshake emoji to make it officialI just want to verify our bet is on. $100.
If at the end of the regular season Jamo is 40th or better in PPR scoring (total points), I owe you $100.
If he’s 41st or worse, you owe me $100.
There is no out for injury or suspension or anything else.
Deal? (Handshake makes it official).
Exactly. Deal.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
I got Stafford in the 11th round of 12 team league. I was the last one to draft a QB. Might come back to bite me but i think Stafford will have a good year.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Took him in the 10th round of a 10 team SF PPR redraft league tonight. I was thrilled to get him. Took him over Brian Thomas, Sutton, Hopkins, McConkey, and Hollywood Brown (those were the next WRs taken after I took him) He's my WR #5 behind Lamb, Moore, Nabers, and McLaurin. 
9.12, WR51 in my FBG Bowl League. Should have waited until 10.1.
Good thing Sleeper was low on him otherwise an auto draft would have snagged him.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Williams feels like that guy who’s everyone’s favorite sleeper so his ADP creeps into the 6-7 rounds and you take him as your WR3 and he just ends up being kinda meh with maybe a couple big games.
He’s a talented dude who’s probably the 4th target on his team behind ARSB, LaPorta & maybe Gibbs.
I might end up with a share Sat, but I’d much rather have him as my WR4-5 than have to count on him every week.
He’s a talented dude who’s probably the 4th target on his team behind ARSB, LaPorta & maybe Gibbs.
I might end up with a share Sat, but I’d much rather have him as my WR4-5 than have to count on him every week.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
9.08 (104th pick) in our redraft - debated him for a long time, had another played I knew would contribute immediately, figured he would make it back to me
He came off the board with the next pick; I ended up with zero Lions, which is OK
The last few years I have focused more on watching the Lions than actively following my FF guys on Sundays
Way, way, waaaayyyy more enjoyable experience
I had no prior experience rooting for a team that was actually good, so still making adjustments...
He came off the board with the next pick; I ended up with zero Lions, which is OK
The last few years I have focused more on watching the Lions than actively following my FF guys on Sundays
Way, way, waaaayyyy more enjoyable experience
I had no prior experience rooting for a team that was actually good, so still making adjustments...
Just took him in the league I run as WR49, at the 10.08 (116 overall).
Was pretty pumped about that. I think if you love him, you can still get him round 9 in almost all drafts, and that would make him likely your WR4, so he's definitely solid there as a WR4.
If you really want him then Round 8 should get you him almost all the time, but I've consistently been seeing him go after pick 100 in almost every draft recently.
Was pretty pumped about that. I think if you love him, you can still get him round 9 in almost all drafts, and that would make him likely your WR4, so he's definitely solid there as a WR4.
If you really want him then Round 8 should get you him almost all the time, but I've consistently been seeing him go after pick 100 in almost every draft recently.
Winning IS Everything
Footballguy
10 Team, 10 player keeper here. 38 WR were kept. I took him at pick 5.10 as WR16 in ther draft (#56 WR overall). I took both Brian Thomas at 1.10 and Xavier Worthy at 2.1. So, Williams will be my WR7. I was completely shocked he was still there when I picked him.
Drake Hater
Footballguy
Drafted him last night at 10.1
i'm surprised with all the strong opinions about him that he's till a pretty easy get in the the 9th/10th. He has to have one of the lowest draft standard deiviations and I would have wagered money it would have been one of the highest.
