Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah, that sophomore season was awesome. I just hope he impresses as an athlete next weekend.
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
Can you articulate why he's easily ahead of Addison?
ffmail4me
Footballguy
well if Steve Smith rates him higher, that's enough for me. I don't wanna get beat up
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I can’t completely until landing spots are known.
Terpman22
Footballguy
The 2 guys he played with said over and over that he's the best of the 3 of them. And those 2 guys are pretty good, and Wilson was easily my WR1 last year, and I was right.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Ok, but I thought DK and AJ Brown said similar about Elijah Moore. I think Brown even went as far as to say he would bet all of his game checks Elijah Moore would win OROTY.
Kenny Pickett who played with Addison, Givens and Dionate Johnson has been a\\dvocating for the Steelers to draft Addison saying he's an elite wide receiver.
Maybe there is truth to all of these and maybe a lot of it is trying to hype up a buddy. Though there is no doubt what JSN did with Olave and Wilson on the field was super impressive. So was Jordan Addison having a 100/1500/17 true sophomore season.
Terpman22
Footballguy
I guess we gon see, right?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Yeah and I am not saying I dislike JSN. I just think it's a really close top 3 WR class and I am worried about all of them.
Terpman22
Footballguy
I've made mistakes in the past overthinking these. I'm usually pretty good at rookie drafts, so just kind of going off of what I think. And as much as I love Devonta as an Eagle, I usually shy away from the super slim types, with JSN having a little bit of a bigger build and a 340+ receiving game on his resume, kind of pushes me over the top for him. I believe that game he had was a Bowl Game record right?
Ilov80s
Footballguy
It was a an All Time Bowl Record. Now Wilson and Olave weren't playing in that game but that was a performance for the ages. Addison had a huge game against UVA (14/202/4) but certainly was lesser competition and less of a spotlight game. But I get what you are saying about overthinking it and liking the extra weight on JSN.
Birdie048
Footballguy
In my view it has to do with competition- on same team and conference.
JSN faced more “talented” opposition than Addison. But USC did face several Top 25 Teams but few had real Def Secondary… will have to go look at details. Out & about RN
I got it super close, virtually a tie, with JSN and Addison and I constantly change my mind, today I lean Addison. Was that third WR you referenced Johnston? He's just not my type.
My problem is I don't view either of those two WR's right now as one I'd be excited to draft at say 1.3. Good news for me, relatively speaking, is I only have one pick inside the top 4 and it's a 2 which is going to be Gibbs barring something unforseen. I got a few 5-6's and that feels a bit more palatable to me relative to the type of prospects I view them as being.
massraider
Footballguy
To me it works like this:
You want to like JSN, you bring up Amon Ra.
You want to like Addison, you bring up Devonta.
Funny, bringing up Addison being skinny: I was listening to a podcast on the WR rankings, pre-combine, and the guys were bringing up skinny WRs. They were listing names of skinny guys, and frankly, they have been hitting lately. Smith, Dotson, Mooney, it feels like the last years have really altered that particular analytic.
I was super down on Devonta only because of his weight, and Addison is heavier than him. Still not ideal, and maybe that's not alpha #1 guy, but I am not as worried about weight as I was. Still matter, especially when looking for Chase/Jeffersons, but I don't drop them down like I used to.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I agree, but I think there are also caveats to that.
• JSN is presumably the safest of the three floor–wise. If he goes to the right situation, like Dallas, Baltimore, or the New York football Giants, he is going to be a slot machine. Maybe put the Vikings & a couple of others in that conversation too. He is an immediate threat for 90/1000/10 in one of those perfect scenarios. A well-defined role that suits his skill set, and he is a physical specimen who I’m not worried about taking hits across the middle.
• if you are drafting Jordan Addison, you are hoping he is the next JJ or Chase. He’s a little slighte of frame, so potentially a greater injury risk taking hits from safeties, who are thicker and stronger than he is. But the upside is certainly boom. I don’t think his downside is bust, as he is an elite route runner, and has very good hands. But there is always a chance that he can be bullied by bigger, stronger NFL safeties and cornerbacks. The downside here is that he is more wide receiver two than wide receiver one. One of the knocks on him from scouts is that bigger, handsy defensive backs can throw him off his game.
• and finally, if you are drafting Quentin Johnston, you are hoping he is the next Hopkins, or other “Prototypical size“ big bodied wide receiver. His downside is more apparent in that he’s not a hands-catcher, may not have elite route running skill, and has displayed a little bit less NFL-ready acumen at the position. Some believe these are traits that can be developed at the next level, but we have seen time and time again that there are far fewer Calvin Johnson/Demaryius Thomas/Hopkins types, and far more busts with this type of player.
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massraider
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Terpman22
Footballguy
Good post here. For me its a lot like last year where I was like "I really like Wilson, but I'll be pretty happy with getting one of the 5 WR's that were pretty much going 1.3-1.7" with my preferences of order/ranking. Here its "Hey if I don't get JSN and settle for Addison, I'm still pretty happy" But still would prefer to have the guy who I feel is "the best"
Both guys will be very good IMO, just feel personally JSN is that guy that could be "elite" more so than Addison.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agreed - and it’s why I’d be willing to draft JSN or Addison at 4, and be happy with the RB I get at 8.
It’s likely one of the “big 3” would fall to me at 8, since Levis or Richardson should go 5-6-7, but to me the drop-off from Gibbs to RB-X (assuming someone like Charbonet or Tucker goes to MIA) than it is from JSN/Addison to QJ.
It’s a gamble either way, but there are just so many good RBs and many likely to go to RB-needy situations.
Penguin
Footballguy
Q.johnson scares me, his hands are so so at best. Yes he's a big WR with elite speed but that doesn't make him a great WR. I have him clearly behind JSN and Addison and it's not even close. I may even put another WR or two above him. To me he's an "let somebody else draft him" type of prospect.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
He also isn’t great at contested catches, which concerns me for a dude that big.
jm192
Footballguy
I have a lot of concerns about Hyatt. I'm also going to let someone else draft him. I think I'd rather have Johnston if I had to have one, but I agree, I'd probably rather let someone else go out and get Johnston.
I've got JSN and Addison #1 and #2 for sure.
We'll see how the combine and drafts go, but mentally I'm pretty much to the point of Boutte and Flowers above Johnston and Hyatt. If guys perform worse than expected or have health concerns, we'll see where we go from there.
Birdie048
Footballguy
Downs & Boutte are close for me to QJ but landing spot will matter.
I have 1.07, 1.08 & 1.09 to work with but no telling who is available when I am OTC
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Agree to disagree on this one. I like both Flowers and Hyatt - if Hyatt gets 1st round draft capital he’s gonna be a top 12 FF pick, and I don’t love him at that ADP, nor do I think he’s a better value at say, 1.11-1.12 than JSN is at 1.04-5-6.
Flowers could land in a good situation and be good, but he’s by no means as polished or complete of a receiver as JSN.
foxco
Footballguy
Kinda how I am on him, getting Darrius Heward-Bey vibes, though that ceiling is massive.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Vast numbers of people talked themselves into taking Darrius Heyward bey for this exact reason
eighsse2
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
I would lean JSN, but landing spot will matter. This isn’t just a talent thing, because both are very talented.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Boutte is flying under the radar.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Until landing spots are known I’m not entirely confident answering this.
If we say WR1 or RB2, I’ll say depends on team needs.
If JSN is a Chief and Gibbs is a Saint, I probably lean JSN. If JSN is a Patriot & Gibbs is a Chief, I probably lean Gibbs.
I see both players as situationally dependent. JSN has to be on a team that’ll use him in the slot a high % of his plays. Gibbs has to be on a team with a coach who’ll throw to him 60-80x.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Not my radar.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Ah - I missed this. Yep - said about the same. I believe both to be worthy in QB1 leagues. Landing spot & team needs matter.
eighsse2
Footballguy
I think if Boutte is not flying under his radar, that means he likes him.Your lossNot my radar.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Correct - I don’t just like him, II think if Boutte is not flying under his radar, that means he likes him.Your lossNot my radar.
him. I’ve been on him since he declared and I’m giddy that I might get him in the 2nd because as @JohnnyU says, people are sleeping on him.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Oh ok, I should have read his previous post.I think if Boutte is not flying under his radar, that means he likes him.Your lossNot my radar.
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Former #Vikings GM Rick Spielman compared OSU’s Jaxon Smith-Njigba to current Viking Adam Thielen
Could we see JSN in purple this coming april?
massraider
Footballguy
I like this.
Thing about Quentin Johnson, how far down can you drop him in this class? Not very far, far as I'm concerned. Some of these other guys will need to be an outlier in order to be a WR1. Whereas QJ needs to fulfill his potential, to some degree.
I always keep an eye out for guys who get knocked more than other players. QJ is without question the most popular punching bag.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
My favorite projected landing spot. JJ deep, Hock & JSN underneath? Sprinkle in a little KJO & Thielen.delusionalvikesfan @delusionalvikes
Former #Vikings GM Rick Spielman compared OSU’s Jaxon Smith-Njigba to current Viking Adam Thielen
Could we see JSN in purple this coming april?
Assuming they have a run game working, it’ll be tough to stop that offense.
Probably hurts Hock’s value a little.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
at some point, and very early on, you’ll have to take the gamble. Kid’s big, fast, could land in a good situation.
Definitely a greater than zero chance of him being the WR1 when all’s said & done.
We’re all just trying to guess likelihood here…JSN & Addison are seemingly more likely to hit, or maybe more likely to have a high floor is a better way of putting it.
But Johnston could certainly be that guy when the dust settles. And if he lands on the Chargers or another team that fits his skills & for whom his skills fit, could be a jackpot.
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
Hard to spin that one positively.Will not be running his 40 at the combine.
ChiefD
Footballguy
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JohnnyU
Footballguy
Big decision looming for me in a ppr start 1QBs league.
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