WR Jaylen Waddle, MIA (1 Viewer)

[menobrown]

How much longer does Tyreek play? Didn't he say he was going to finish out his contract and that was it?

His comment on retiring means zilch to me.

His base comp in 2026 jumps up to about $45M. I think his contract was designed to either exit out from him after 2025 or extend him and get the 2026 cap hit of over $56m down.

There is a chance if for whatever reason after 2024 they decided to move on they could do it and it would not be overly painful but that would likely only be the case if he had a sharp decline or more likely off the field issues got heavy.

So my best guess is Waddle/Tyreek are paired together for the next two seasons. ETA-assuming Waddle is tagged or extended.

 

[Big Nate]

How much longer does Tyreek play? Didn't he say he was going to finish out his contract and that was it?

I think Waddle is a top 12ish WR in fantasy and like his outlook better than guys like Aiyuk or Pittman or Higgins.

Obviously I'm a huge Waddle fan and think he is very talented. But as mentioned by the 2 posts above he has had injuries the last 2 seasons and he misses some key games. Sometimes he comes back but he's not 100% and is not as effective.

If he can stay healthy, and with his connection with Tua, I believe he can push the WR1 (top 12) in fantasy scoring. In 2022 he was a feature and a threat in the red zone when they got down to the goal line. He came up with some clutch TDs when they needed a score.

Health is going to be key for Waddle going forward. He needs to take care of himself.

 

[zamboni]

Waddle is one of my favorite buy lows for next year. Seems like many are looking at his somewhat down year rather than the current situation. And while Tyreek is still obviously there, even a slight reversion to the mean for Hill can mean more opportunities for Waddle.

 

[Faust]

Dolphins signing WR Jaylen Waddle to three-year, $84.75 million contract extension

 

[Ministry of Pain]

So many other players Miami never tried to extend when they could at reasonable rates
Not sure Miami gets any better by releasing or not resigning Wilkins, Hunt and AVG so they can extend Waddle while they still have Hill as the WR1 anchor

 

[jm192]

I will have him in every league this coming season.

FBG and Fantasypros both have him as WR19 going into the year.

Last year, he missed 3 games. He didn't seem to be 100% for a while. He finished as WR34 in 0.5 PPR.
If you extrapolate his stats over 17 games, he'd be at 87 catches, over 1200 yards, 5 touchdowns. That would put him around WR14.

I keep reading that he's injury prone and always misses games.
He missed 1 game in 2021
He missed 0 games in 2022
He missed 3 games in 2023.

It's entirely possible he misses a game or 2. But I don't think he's some huge injury risk above the rest of the WR's in the NFL. Sprained ankles happen.

I think he's an elite talent. I think McDaniels is a very smart offensive coach. As teams adjust and focus on Hill, a healthy Waddle should be in for a huge year.

 

[metoo]

There will be a time when you all realize if you don't have a top 4/5 WR it's meaningless. 20-30 WRs can end up in the top 10 year to year.

 

[jm192]

There will be a time when you all realize if you don't have a top 4/5 WR it's meaningless. 20-30 WRs can end up in the top 10 year to year.

So, after the top 4 or 5 WR's are gone, we shouldn't bother. Thanks for clearing that up.

 

[Big Nate]

WADDLE - MY MAN! Gets the bank!

Stay healthy and crush it this year! This is a guy who set the rookie reception mark and it took Puka and extra game (17) to break it by 1. Only thing holding him back is if he can't stay healthy.

 

[Big Nate]

There will be a time when you all realize if you don't have a top 4/5 WR it's meaningless. 20-30 WRs can end up in the top 10 year to year.

Easy getting the top 4 WRs. I'll do that this year - good tips.

 

[travdogg]

So many other players Miami never tried to extend when they could at reasonable rates
Not sure Miami gets any better by releasing or not resigning Wilkins, Hunt and AVG so they can extend Waddle while they still have Hill as the WR1 anchor

I think it makes sense to prioritize Waddle over all those guys. Hill has stated he plans to retire after 2025, that could easily change, but he has said it. Waddle is a still ascendent player, I'm not sure any of those other guys are (maybe Hunt?) and they've given out some pretty big deals on the DL and OL already. Wilkins was probably screwed when they traded for Chubb and extended Phillips. Hunt was screwed when they extended Jackson. I could certainly argue they should have picked Wilkins over Chubb or Hunt over Jackson, but I think Waddle was a bigger priority than any of those guys.

There aren't 10 better WRs in the NFL than Waddle in my opinion. The only thing holding his numbers down is one of the ones who is better is Hill.

 

[joey]

Traded the 1.5 for Waddle 2 months ago before the FFPC rookie drafts, so I guess I need to this thread

 

[jtd13]

So many other players Miami never tried to extend when they could at reasonable rates
Not sure Miami gets any better by releasing or not resigning Wilkins, Hunt and AVG so they can extend Waddle while they still have Hill as the WR1 anchor

Waddle over 28 year old Wilkins for the same contract was a no brainer imo. The only head scratcher there is why not tag and trade him. They effectively got a 4th this year when you factor in they traded a 3rd in 25 for a 4th this year... Feels like it would have been easy to clear that with what Oakland paid for Wilkins.

Hunt is a solid guard, but man that was a huge overpay. Avg I can sort of see for that money but it sounded like that decision was more about wanting to play closer to home than money.

 

[KellysHeroes]

There will be a time when you all realize if you don't have a top 4/5 WR it's meaningless. 20-30 WRs can end up in the top 10 year to year.

Easy getting the top 4 WRs. I'll do that this year - good tips.

OMG... he crack the code

 

[jm192]

There will be a time when you all realize if you don't have a top 4/5 WR it's meaningless. 20-30 WRs can end up in the top 10 year to year.

Easy getting the top 4 WRs. I'll do that this year - good tips.

I don't know why no one thought of it.

 

[metoo]

Yall overvalue WRs is my point. There are 20-30 WRs that really have the same value. With new WRs coming in every year there is no need to over pay for those not in the top 4/5. For instance you can have Olave, I will draft/trade for Kirk and get the same production. But go off.

 

[Terpman22]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

 

[zamboni]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

I think it makes sense to wait until close to when they need to be re-signed/have their option picked up. Major injuries happen all the time and teams can lower the risk of pre-paying someone by waiting it out a bit.

 

[Big Nate]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

What do you mean by all these teams and waiting? What if it isn't always the team?

Jefferson for example is sitting back watching all these massive contracts come through and he's laughing all the way to the bank. You think he is in a rush to get a deal done?

It goes both ways - the longer a player waits the likelihood of them getting more money increases too.

 

[Terpman22]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

I think it makes sense to wait until close to when they need to be re-signed/have their option picked up. Major injuries happen all the time and teams can lower the risk of pre-paying someone by waiting it out a bit.

I guess I just disagree. The market just keeps going up. I'm talking about the guys listed below, all could have been signed the minute their 3rd year was over. Look a the difference in what Waddle got and what Devonta got. It allows you to be more flexible in both keeping your own guys and signing new guys:

Chase
CD
Waddle
Higgins
Devonta

 

[Big Nate]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

I think it makes sense to wait until close to when they need to be re-signed/have their option picked up. Major injuries happen all the time and teams can lower the risk of pre-paying someone by waiting it out a bit.

I guess I just disagree. The market just keeps going up. I'm talking about the guys listed below, all could have been signed the minute their 3rd year was over. Look a the difference in what Waddle got and what Devonta got. It allows you to be more flexible in both keeping your own guys and signing new guys:

Chase
CD
Waddle
Higgins
Devonta

Maybe Waddle didn't want to sign until now. He waited and got more money. Smart for him.

 

[Terpman22]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

What do you mean by all these teams and waiting? What if it isn't always the team?

Jefferson for example is sitting back watching all these massive contracts come through and he's laughing all the way to the bank. You think he is in a rush to get a deal done?

It goes both ways - the longer a player waits the likelihood of them getting more money increases too.

I hear what you are saying. So basically you believe Jefferson is being offered good deals, and he literally is saying "I'm not going to sign a single deal until every other WR signs first"

I mean I guess I could believe that, but you also have to believe they have been negotiating for 1+ year and have NOT offered a contract that AT THAT TIME was NOT the highest $$$ for a WR at the time.

For instance say the top guy is getting $30M per year and he is declining 31, 32, 35 and saying I WANT 40m, hypothetically?

I feel some teams are just better than others. The Bengals and Cowboys wait until the absolute last minute while the Eagles and Chiefs sign their guys more quickly.

Different ways to skin a cat and all.

 

[zamboni]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

I think it makes sense to wait until close to when they need to be re-signed/have their option picked up. Major injuries happen all the time and teams can lower the risk of pre-paying someone by waiting it out a bit.

I guess I just disagree. The market just keeps going up. I'm talking about the guys listed below, all could have been signed the minute their 3rd year was over. Look a the difference in what Waddle got and what Devonta got. It allows you to be more flexible in both keeping your own guys and signing new guys:

Chase
CD
Waddle
Higgins
Devonta

I can agree with that - if you have every intention of re-signing them in the offseason, do it earlier than later in the offseason. I thought you meant sign them during the season last year before the season ended. That would be assuming unnecessary risk.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

What do you mean by all these teams and waiting? What if it isn't always the team?

Jefferson for example is sitting back watching all these massive contracts come through and he's laughing all the way to the bank. You think he is in a rush to get a deal done?

It goes both ways - the longer a player waits the likelihood of them getting more money increases too.

I hear what you are saying. So basically you believe Jefferson is being offered good deals, and he literally is saying "I'm not going to sign a single deal until every other WR signs first"

I mean I guess I could believe that, but you also have to believe they have been negotiating for 1+ year and have NOT offered a contract that AT THAT TIME was NOT the highest $$$ for a WR at the time.

For instance say the top guy is getting $30M per year and he is declining 31, 32, 35 and saying I WANT 40m, hypothetically?

I feel some teams are just better than others. The Bengals and Cowboys wait until the absolute last minute while the Eagles and Chiefs sign their guys more quickly.

Different ways to skin a cat and all.

I think what people are saying is there is almost always a proverbial "ball to drop" situation for these signings to occur. Waddle might be what gets these other deals moving, but someone needs to set the standard and I would assume the agents have said - we don't want the top receiver to set the bar. We want to see what these top 10-25 guys get paid and that will only increase the value.

Now that achilles and acl injuries are a non-factor... these guys can still be 35 year old QB's with torn achilles and command what Kirk Cousins did in free agency? Yeah... wait. When the cap increases annually and inflated contracts are the beneficiary of the cap increase, it doesn't make sense to tie yourself down sooner.

I am pretty sure that was the big conversation around a Kirk Cousins and the money he has made from football.

Referencing the teams that sign their guys versus the teams that don't sign their guys is lost on me, because you aren't comparing positions.

 

[Terpman22]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

What do you mean by all these teams and waiting? What if it isn't always the team?

Jefferson for example is sitting back watching all these massive contracts come through and he's laughing all the way to the bank. You think he is in a rush to get a deal done?

It goes both ways - the longer a player waits the likelihood of them getting more money increases too.

I hear what you are saying. So basically you believe Jefferson is being offered good deals, and he literally is saying "I'm not going to sign a single deal until every other WR signs first"

I mean I guess I could believe that, but you also have to believe they have been negotiating for 1+ year and have NOT offered a contract that AT THAT TIME was NOT the highest $$$ for a WR at the time.

For instance say the top guy is getting $30M per year and he is declining 31, 32, 35 and saying I WANT 40m, hypothetically?

I feel some teams are just better than others. The Bengals and Cowboys wait until the absolute last minute while the Eagles and Chiefs sign their guys more quickly.

Different ways to skin a cat and all.

I think what people are saying is there is almost always a proverbial "ball to drop" situation for these signings to occur. Waddle might be what gets these other deals moving, but someone needs to set the standard and I would assume the agents have said - we don't want the top receiver to set the bar. We want to see what these top 10-25 guys get paid and that will only increase the value.

Now that achilles and acl injuries are a non-factor... these guys can still be 35 year old QB's with torn achilles and command what Kirk Cousins did in free agency? Yeah... wait. When the cap increases annually and inflated contracts are the beneficiary of the cap increase, it doesn't make sense to tie yourself down sooner.

I am pretty sure that was the big conversation around a Kirk Cousins and the money he has made from football.

Referencing the teams that sign their guys versus the teams that don't sign their guys is lost on me, because you aren't comparing positions.

Balls have been dropping left and right. If you think you are a true X dominant WR like AJ Brown and holding out to reset the market I guess that is one thing, but all these guys have recently signed extensions. If you ain't first yer last kinda deal to me, from the team/salary cap viewpoint on waiting for everyone else. Like I said some teams are better at this than others

Devonta Smith
Amon-Ra St Brown
AJ Brown (signed even earlier bc yeah, lets lower the future cap hits so we can sign MORE players, Eagles fan, probably biased viewpoint, but also logical)
Nico Collins
Now, Waddle signed

So I guess I'm asking, if you are Cinci, SF, Dallas, Minnesota, why would you NOT want to go next. Even if you pay your guy "record amount" right now, in 1 year it will be a bargain.

 

[Gally]

So I guess I'm asking, if you are Cinci, SF, Dallas, Minnesota, why would you NOT want to go next. Even if you pay your guy "record amount" right now, in 1 year it will be a bargain.

Because it takes two to tango and if the elite guys (Lamb, JJ) or guys that think they are elite and are close (Aiyuk) they likely are the reason it hasn't been done yet.

 

[Terpman22]

So I guess I'm asking, if you are Cinci, SF, Dallas, Minnesota, why would you NOT want to go next. Even if you pay your guy "record amount" right now, in 1 year it will be a bargain.

Because it takes two to tango and if the elite guys (Lamb, JJ) or guys that think they are elite and are close (Aiyuk) they likely are the reason it hasn't been done yet.

I guess the Eagles are just lucky to have a top 3 WR duo that also are very easy to negotiate with

I would love Aiyuk and Lamb to both reset the WR market, hold out as long as possible. Heck I'll even take CD waiting until the Cowboys have to franchise him next year, but not only after all these other guys left have signed contracts so the cap # will be super high.

 

[Gally]

I guess the Eagles are just lucky to have a top 3 WR duo that also are very easy to negotiate with

Lamb and JJ are well above either Eagle guy and Aiyuk is probably similar to Brown and ahead of Smith. Just a different type of player and situation. These situations aren't apple to apple comparisons even though they are all WR's.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

Balls have been dropping left and right. If you think you are a true X dominant WR like AJ Brown and holding out to reset the market I guess that is one thing, but all these guys have recently signed extensions. If you ain't first yer last kinda deal to me, from the team/salary cap viewpoint on waiting for everyone else. Like I said some teams are better at this than others

Devonta Smith
Amon-Ra St Brown
AJ Brown (signed even earlier bc yeah, lets lower the future cap hits so we can sign MORE players, Eagles fan, probably biased viewpoint, but also logical)
Nico Collins
Now, Waddle signed

So I guess I'm asking, if you are Cinci, SF, Dallas, Minnesota, why would you NOT want to go next. Even if you pay your guy "record amount" right now, in 1 year it will be a bargain.

Wasn't AJ Brown more of a restructure + adding years to try to spread the cap hit out further? I don't remember when his contract expired, but I remember seeing he was signed through age 32 and the guy is 26 now. He signed his 3rd contract already and CeeDee hasn't re-upped on his rookie deal yet. There does seem to be a difference to me, but it does make sense what you are saying.

Amon-Ra and Waddle probably provide decent comparables to Lamb, Jefferson and Chase but they still aren't on the same level. I think the market seems to be set and more signings are looming? From D. Smith to St. Brown to Waddle - those seem to be in-line with money spent and production/ability. I agree if you can pay the guy early do it, but I would assume agents are telling these guys to let the dust settle with some of the "lesser" guys.

 

[Terpman22]

I guess the Eagles are just lucky to have a top 3 WR duo that also are very easy to negotiate with

Lamb and JJ are well above either Eagle guy and Aiyuk is probably similar to Brown and ahead of Smith. Just a different type of player and situation. These situations aren't apple to apple comparisons even though they are all WR's.

I guess I gotta disagree and also agree, but that's ok. Situations definitely are different. CD plays like 70% of his snaps out of the slot with a bunch of has beens or never will bes on the other side of him while AJ actually has another star on the other side that gets tons of targets. AJB has the most yards against single covereage since 2022. Combine results show AJ is bigger, faster, stronger and jumps higher also.

Credit to the Cowboys for being creative to find the best ways to feed CD though. He had a great year, but I would argue he isn't a true X/Dominant WR like AJ is, but sure if you disagree I am ok with that. AJ does however average almost 3 more yards per reception.

JJ, totally different situation now. I don't see him getting 1700+ yards a season now with 1 a new rookie QB and 2 more weapons around him than he ever had before with TJ Hock and Addison taking targets away. Maybe he can though, he obviously is an elite WR

And Devonta not as good as Aiyuk? Ok. Again have to disagree, has averaged more yards per year than Aiyuk, although Aiyuk did have a great season last year.


Back to Waddle though, it was smart for Miami to finally pay him. He has been a productive young guys and earned the contract.

 

[Gally]

AJB has the most yards against single covereage since 2022. Combine results show AJ is bigger, faster, stronger and jumps higher also.

and more injuries and years. That matters.

 

[jm192]

Yall overvalue WRs is my point. There are 20-30 WRs that really have the same value. With new WRs coming in every year there is no need to over pay for those not in the top 4/5. For instance you can have Olave, I will draft/trade for Kirk and get the same production. But go off.

1/2 point PPR scoring from last year:

WR4: Puka 246 points
WR5: Evans: 243 points

WR6: DJ Moore 238.5 points
WR7 AJ Brown: 236.6 points

WR20: Devonta Smith: 187.1 points
Kirk finished with 121.76 points in 12 games--extrapolated to 17 games, he would have had 172.5, which would have put him around WR28.

WR6 and WR7 were less than 10 points off of WR 4 and 5.

WR20 scored almost 50 points less than WR6 and 7--or about 3 points per week. Kirk scored 60 points less than those guys or about 3.5 points per week. None of that is insignificant.

 

[TVT 0 N S T A]

@Terpman22 couldn't handle someone (likely unbiased) telling them that AJ Brown isn't in the same league as Lamb, JJ, Chase.

Lamb played a little over 50% of his snaps from the slot, but whatever... guy has been a one man band in Dallas, but you don't want to talk about that.

In any event, Waddle is #4 on per year money among WR's and AJ Brown is #1.. that is where it should be currently. Lamb, Jefferson and Chase will probably be around $40 million a year. I don't think any of the situations you mentioned warrants a reduction in pay. Production is production and the numbers don't lie... every player is different and I don't blame these guys for wanting their money but I don't think ownership rests solely on the teams for "not getting the deal done".

I know Howie Roseman is a god to you Eagles fans but as said upthread - It takes two to tango.

 

[Terpman22]

@Terpman22 couldn't handle someone (likely unbiased) telling them that AJ Brown isn't in the same league as Lamb, JJ, Chase.

Lamb played a little over 50% of his snaps from the slot, but whatever... guy has been a one man band in Dallas, but you don't want to talk about that.

In any event, Waddle is #4 on per year money among WR's and AJ Brown is #1.. that is where it should be currently. Lamb, Jefferson and Chase will probably be around $40 million a year. I don't think any of the situations you mentioned warrants a reduction in pay. Production is production and the numbers don't lie... every player is different and I don't blame these guys for wanting their money but I don't think ownership rests solely on the teams for "not getting the deal done".

I know Howie Roseman is a god to you Eagles fans but as said upthread - It takes two to tango.

That is what this time of season usually comes down to. Your X player at X position isn't as good as my Y player at the same position. And I don't mean to derail this thread, truly, but its different situations. AJ B will for sure play more slot snaps this year. And as good as Lamb is, over the last 2 seasons he has 34 more targets that gives him 156 more yards and 3 more TDS. One could argue if AJ B was a "one man band" and getting the same volume of targets as JJ and Lamb, his stats would be similar or might be better. But thats OK.

It was a good deal and I guess better timing than LAST for the Dolphins to sign Waddle than rather wait for every other domino WR contract to fall before they'd just have to pay him more.

Waddle is a very good young player, probably in a Tier 3/4 of WR's out there, but not in the same tier as JJ/AJB/Lamb, closer to Amon Ra (another slot machine) and Devonta Smith.

We are in a time and era where there are just so many good WR's these lists/rankings/contract fluctuate so much year to year its really hard to judge "who is elite" and who is a benefit of a creative system. Puka Nacua is a guy that comes to mind where "Is he really that great/could he produce like this in say, Cleveland?"

Good talks guys!

 

[jtd13]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

Miami waited too long to sign Waddle? This was the first offseason they could even extend him.

 

[Terpman22]

Why do all these teams wait to long to get their guys under contract. Its a weird business model.

Miami waited too long to sign Waddle? This was the first offseason they could even extend him.

So was it for NIco Collins, Devonta Smith and Amon Ra St. Brown, yet Waddle was signed after these guys.

Doesn't matter to me, if teams want to wait wait wait, then be last in line, let the player go "well you gotta now beat X, Y and Z's contracts" so be it.

My point is its probably prudent to actually get it done first. Immediately, as soon as possible. The longer you wait, the more info there is available for what a position/player "should" be paid with in comparison to his peers. If his peers are unsigned, its unknown info that can be used as leverage.

Make sense?

 

[metoo]

Yall overvalue WRs is my point. There are 20-30 WRs that really have the same value. With new WRs coming in every year there is no need to over pay for those not in the top 4/5. For instance you can have Olave, I will draft/trade for Kirk and get the same production. But go off.

1/2 point PPR scoring from last year:

WR4: Puka 246 points
WR5: Evans: 243 points

WR6: DJ Moore 238.5 points
WR7 AJ Brown: 236.6 points

WR20: Devonta Smith: 187.1 points
Kirk finished with 121.76 points in 12 games--extrapolated to 17 games, he would have had 172.5, which would have put him around WR28.

WR6 and WR7 were less than 10 points off of WR 4 and 5.

WR20 scored almost 50 points less than WR6 and 7--or about 3 points per week. Kirk scored 60 points less than those guys or about 3.5 points per week. None of that is insignificant.

Like I said, there is a top 4/5. Where were these others drafted? And how much are you willing to bet they will land in the top 10 this year. 20-30 WRs can, it's not that hard.

 

[SoBeDad]

Waddle is a very good young player, probably in a Tier 3/4 of WR's out there, but not in the same tier as JJ/AJB/Lamb, closer to Amon Ra (another slot machine) and Devonta Smith.

I mostly agree but PFF has Waddle’s grade going from 78.3 to 83.9 to 90.7. Wheras Devonta went down to 73 in 2023 and ARSB has been above 90 the last 2 years. The system and QB play a positive role for Waddle & ARSB. There's still a question about whether Waddle can excel without Tyreek.

 

[Terpman22]

Waddle is a very good young player, probably in a Tier 3/4 of WR's out there, but not in the same tier as JJ/AJB/Lamb, closer to Amon Ra (another slot machine) and Devonta Smith.

I mostly agree but PFF has Waddle’s grade going from 78.3 to 83.9 to 90.7. Wheras Devonta went down to 73 in 2023 and ARSB has been above 90 the last 2 years. The system and QB play a positive role for Waddle & ARSB. There's still a question about whether Waddle can excel without Tyreek.

Yeah like I said, its arguable. These guys aren't top tier WR's IMO. Such a great 2021 class for WRs and it shows by all these immediate contracts given to them the first year they are eligible. I think each team and fans of their teams are pretty happy with these guys.

 

[Gatorman]

Waddle is a very good young player, probably in a Tier 3/4 of WR's out there, but not in the same tier as JJ/AJB/Lamb, closer to Amon Ra (another slot machine) and Devonta Smith.

I mostly agree but PFF has Waddle’s grade going from 78.3 to 83.9 to 90.7. Wheras Devonta went down to 73 in 2023 and ARSB has been above 90 the last 2 years. The system and QB play a positive role for Waddle & ARSB. There's still a question about whether Waddle can excel without Tyreek.

Yeah like I said, its arguable. These guys aren't top tier WR's IMO. Such a great 2021 class for WRs and it shows by all these immediate contracts given to them the first year they are eligible. I think each team and fans of their teams are pretty happy with these guys.

Not going to debate the WRs comps here, but Miami has 4 guys they need to figure out the contracts to:
Tua: Ongoing....
Waddle: Done
Phillips: Coming back from injury, but they picked up the 5th year option
Holland: In the last year of contract. Second rounder so no 5th year option

Miami has had discussions with Tua and they are ongoing, Holland in a race w Tua for the next to sign IMHO. Phillips I think Miami waits a bit more in terms of recovery:

MORE IMPORTANTLY: Miami did not need to play with their Cap to sign him to this extension. Basically they gave him guaranteed "Future Money" and gave themselves windows to restructure the contract in 25 if they need cap help. Grier and company have an owner who wants to spend money to win, so they need to keep the cap numbers "looking good" for the NFL while allowing the owner to write big checks as needed. Win win until they go for the "reset"

 

[Mitchie]

Waddle is a very good young player, probably in a Tier 3/4 of WR's out there, but not in the same tier as JJ/AJB/Lamb, closer to Amon Ra (another slot machine) and Devonta Smith.

I mostly agree but PFF has Waddle’s grade going from 78.3 to 83.9 to 90.7. Wheras Devonta went down to 73 in 2023 and ARSB has been above 90 the last 2 years. The system and QB play a positive role for Waddle & ARSB. There's still a question about whether Waddle can excel without Tyreek.

Yeah like I said, its arguable. These guys aren't top tier WR's IMO. Such a great 2021 class for WRs and it shows by all these immediate contracts given to them the first year they are eligible. I think each team and fans of their teams are pretty happy with these guys.

Not going to debate the WRs comps here, but Miami has 4 guys they need to figure out the contracts to:
Tua: Ongoing....
Waddle: Done
Phillips: Coming back from injury, but they picked up the 5th year option
Holland: In the last year of contract. Second rounder so no 5th year option

Miami has had discussions with Tua and they are ongoing, Holland in a race w Tua for the next to sign IMHO. Phillips I think Miami waits a bit more in terms of recovery:

MORE IMPORTANTLY: Miami did not need to play with their Cap to sign him to this extension. Basically they gave him guaranteed "Future Money" and gave themselves windows to restructure the contract in 25 if they need cap help. Grier and company have an owner who wants to spend money to win, so they need to keep the cap numbers "looking good" for the NFL while allowing the owner to write big checks as needed. Win win until they go for the "reset"

Tyreek now chirping about a new contract too

 

[Chaka]

Thread has been quiet. I believe he is back at practice but is he at full speed?

I just saw that Tyreek had some kind of hand brace going today.

@Ministry of Pain how is Waddle looking so far?

Thanks.

 

[King of the Jungle]

Thread has been quiet. I believe he is back at practice but is he at full speed?

I just saw that Tyreek had some kind of hand brace going today.

@Ministry of Pain how is Waddle looking so far?

Thanks.

Has not practiced in a while LInK, but described as minor. Seemed injured all season last year so something to keep an eye on. Caught a couple games last year and he seemed to come off the field quite a bit but would always return. They extended him this off-season so they must not be too worried about it, but he seems to be nicked up quite a bit. Got him in the 5th round in a redraft this week which I was happy with.

 

[BIRDGANG52]

Put me in the camp that this guy would be way better if he didn't play with Tyreek Hill. Talk about a glass ceiling. He had 140 targets as a rookie and then it drops down to 117, 104 after Tyreek shows up. He missed a few games last year though so that 104 is really ends up being a 126 targets "on paper".

But then you look at Tyreek Hill who had 170, 171 targets the last two seasons and you can't help but wonder what could be.

 

[Chaka]

Thread has been quiet. I believe he is back at practice but is he at full speed?

I just saw that Tyreek had some kind of hand brace going today.

@Ministry of Pain how is Waddle looking so far?

Thanks.

Has not practiced in a while LInK, but described as minor. Seemed injured all season last year so something to keep an eye on. Caught a couple games last year and he seemed to come off the field quite a bit but would always return. They extended him this off-season so they must not be too worried about it, but he seems to be nicked up quite a bit. Got him in the 5th round in a redraft this week which I was happy with.

Thanks. Last I read was from a week ago that he had returned to practice. I didn't realize he was still out.

This is the latest from Waddle'a FBG page. Just the quote, there didn't seem to be a link.

"Mon Aug 12 19:10
Jaylen Waddle back on field
Miami Dolphins WR Jaylen Waddle (undisclosed) participated in practice Monday, Aug. 12."

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Thread has been quiet. I believe he is back at practice but is he at full speed?

I just saw that Tyreek had some kind of hand brace going today.

@Ministry of Pain how is Waddle looking so far?

Thanks.

Hill and Waddle won't touch the field all preseason, they can make up whatever minor injuries they want to keep them off the field
I was surprised but happy to see Tua go 6 for 6 on his only drive of the preseason with a depleted OL and besides Mostert had very little to work with at WR and RB last week
Achane did not see the field while Tua was working the opening drive

I'm not worried about Waddle or Hill, but I am concerned that Waddle comes off the field often, he needs to be able to play within his frame that God gave him, know what I mean?
I watched him take on big hits and not avoiding contact last year, I hope he learns from that, he's not built like Nico Collins. Not every catch has to have 2-3 broken tackles and race for the end zone, live to catch another pass next drive is what I say.

But he's got a lot of talent and a teacher alongside him at WR1 that gets a lot of the glory right now. I hope he is ready to take the next step.
I'm optimistic about Miami, especially early to mid season, fairly soft schedule

 

[Chaka]

Thread has been quiet. I believe he is back at practice but is he at full speed?

I just saw that Tyreek had some kind of hand brace going today.

@Ministry of Pain how is Waddle looking so far?

Thanks.

Hill and Waddle won't touch the field all preseason, they can make up whatever minor injuries they want to keep them off the field
I was surprised but happy to see Tua go 6 for 6 on his only drive of the preseason with a depleted OL and besides Mostert had very little to work with at WR and RB last week
Achane did not see the field while Tua was working the opening drive

I'm not worried about Waddle or Hill, but I am concerned that Waddle comes off the field often, he needs to be able to play within his frame that God gave him, know what I mean?
I watched him take on big hits and not avoiding contact last year, I hope he learns from that, he's not built like Nico Collins. Not every catch has to have 2-3 broken tackles and race for the end zone, live to catch another pass next drive is what I say.

But he's got a lot of talent and a teacher alongside him at WR1 that gets a lot of the glory right now. I hope he is ready to take the next step.
I'm optimistic about Miami, especially early to mid season, fairly soft schedule

Sincerely appreciate that response, brother.

Can you clarify if Waddle has been practicing since last week like FBGs suggests? Or did he miss time today as @King of the Jungle 's link says?

 

[Ministry of Pain]

Thread has been quiet. I believe he is back at practice but is he at full speed?

I just saw that Tyreek had some kind of hand brace going today.

@Ministry of Pain how is Waddle looking so far?

Thanks.

Hill and Waddle won't touch the field all preseason, they can make up whatever minor injuries they want to keep them off the field
I was surprised but happy to see Tua go 6 for 6 on his only drive of the preseason with a depleted OL and besides Mostert had very little to work with at WR and RB last week
Achane did not see the field while Tua was working the opening drive

I'm not worried about Waddle or Hill, but I am concerned that Waddle comes off the field often, he needs to be able to play within his frame that God gave him, know what I mean?
I watched him take on big hits and not avoiding contact last year, I hope he learns from that, he's not built like Nico Collins. Not every catch has to have 2-3 broken tackles and race for the end zone, live to catch another pass next drive is what I say.

But he's got a lot of talent and a teacher alongside him at WR1 that gets a lot of the glory right now. I hope he is ready to take the next step.
I'm optimistic about Miami, especially early to mid season, fairly soft schedule

Sincerely appreciate that response, brother.

Can you clarify if Waddle has been practicing since last week like FBGs suggests? Or did he miss time today as @King of the Jungle 's link says?

He definitely did not practice today.
I bet he doesn't practice much or Hill before the week leading up to Week 1
I would be shocked if Hill and Waddle and just about all the Miami skill guys are not out there Week 1.

-OBJ not practicing and mostly missed all of camp...consider me concerned. He has no history with Tua, don't know how he can be implemented into the offense when he's done nothing all preseason. Waste of $3M right now.

Back to Waddle, whatever the injury is Miami won't disclose it and it's just considered minor. I can read that same canned answer for a lot of players across all 32 teams right now.
The preseason is a complete joke at this point. Has any starting QB that's credible actually played an entire 1st Half yet? I doubt we see hardly any starting QBs for the 3rd preseason game, what would be the point of that?

I'm not reading into much about Waddle vs say River Cracraft where we know he's going to miss time or a more relevant name might be Hollywood Brown out possibly 6 weeks. That's a serious injury he sustained. I don't hear anything that sounds like Waddle will miss Week 1 vs the Jags at Hard Rock...1st September 1:00 game in Miami in some time.

 

[satch]

Saw this guy on page one and immediately knew it was injury related. Always hurt. DND.

 

[kyoun1e]

Saw this guy on page one and immediately knew it was injury related. Always hurt. DND.

A lot of prominent draftniks are ranking Waddle within the top 20 players in PPR leagues. I'm a little surprised, but trust their opinions. Default overall in ESPN is #39.

The talent is there, but he does seem dinged up a lot or in and out of the lineup, and every time I'm watching Miami it's targets to T. Hill all day. Also, Achane is going to get the ball too out of the backfield (and I guarantee you J. Smith annoys many this year).