WR Jaylen Waddle, MIA (3 Viewers)

[King of the Jungle]

anyone have the gonads to play him this week? not a bad matchup and have a lot of guys on bye so kinda desperate, but not sure i can do it.

Forced to in one league, not confident at all with it.

 

[WhatRox]

Same here. It’s him or McMillan.

 

[-jb-]

Same. May still swap him out for WW fodder

 

[menobrown]

Got to decide tonight if I’m using him or Warren.

 

[zamboni]

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[Mitchie]

Of course on my bench, had stuck with him all season finally threw in the towel this week for some scrub.

 

[joey]

Of course on my bench, had stuck with him all season finally threw in the towel this week for some scrub.

+1

Started E Moore WR Cle , who had been on a tear, over Waddle this week. And of course, Thursday night game on the west coast so it’s not like I had time to really research the weather or anything since, like, some of us work.

 

[Uncle Leo]

Never fails…

He is just too talented to be wasted like he has been this year.

 

[TartanLion]

Actually still started him in one dynasty league as didn’t have any alternative, and benched him in my re-draft league where I’ll probably lose. Still… signs of life is at least good

 

[TEOM]

So I have seen the Offensive line issues addressed in this thread and we all can do the math on a Tua injury valley (for the whole offense) but are there any Miami fans here that have heard about anything underlying that ties to Waddle's performance? Nagging injury, philosophical dispute, no motor once the big contract was signed, etc...? I'm trying to tie a read onto a metric and this one just feels enigmatic right now.

 

[TartanLion]

So I have seen the Offensive line issues addressed in this thread and we all can do the math on a Tua injury valley (for the whole offense) but are there any Miami fans here that have heard about anything underlying that ties to Waddle's performance? Nagging injury, philosophical dispute, no motor once the big contract was signed, etc...? I'm trying to tie a read onto a metric and this one just feels enigmatic right now.

Personally I just think they have lent on getting the ball out quick to Jonnu Smith and Achane, plus they prioritise getting Hill the ball downfield. For what it’s worth Matt Harmon says Waddle is still amazing but they don’t design specific plays for him like they do Hill so he just gets what he gets when Tua sees he’s open on standard routes. Work ethic is there ( see Tua and Waddle interview after his good game a few weeks ago ). I’ve also seen games where they have tried to get him involved and it doesn’t quite show up on the box score as the plays haven’t quite come off

 

[-jb-]

So I have seen the Offensive line issues addressed in this thread and we all can do the math on a Tua injury valley (for the whole offense) but are there any Miami fans here that have heard about anything underlying that ties to Waddle's performance? Nagging injury, philosophical dispute, no motor once the big contract was signed, etc...? I'm trying to tie a read onto a metric and this one just feels enigmatic right now.

Personally I just think they have lent on getting the ball out quick to Jonnu Smith and Achane, plus they prioritise getting Hill the ball downfield. For what it’s worth Matt Harmon says Waddle is still amazing but they don’t design specific plays for him like they do Hill so he just gets what he gets when Tua sees he’s open on standard routes. Work ethic is there ( see Tua and Waddle interview after his good game a few weeks ago ). I’ve also seen games where they have tried to get him involved and it doesn’t quite show up on the box score as the plays haven’t quite come off

Defenses are playing them back a bit, which limits Hill and Waddles chances on the more impactful plays. I guess within McDaniel's system, that opens things up more for Jonnu. That said, I would call that poor adjustments on his part. Wouldn't you rather the YAC come from Hill/Waddle over Jonnu? They're faster and more explosive. Run more bubble screens or quick slants whenever you see the DBs playing back. I honestly haven't watched enough to see what adjustments are being made, but if you think about how the Chiefs were using Rice once DBs were consistently playing back it would be the question in Miami.

 

[menobrown]

So I have seen the Offensive line issues addressed in this thread and we all can do the math on a Tua injury valley (for the whole offense) but are there any Miami fans here that have heard about anything underlying that ties to Waddle's performance? Nagging injury, philosophical dispute, no motor once the big contract was signed, etc...? I'm trying to tie a read onto a metric and this one just feels enigmatic right now.

Personally I just think they have lent on getting the ball out quick to Jonnu Smith and Achane, plus they prioritise getting Hill the ball downfield. For what it’s worth Matt Harmon says Waddle is still amazing but they don’t design specific plays for him like they do Hill so he just gets what he gets when Tua sees he’s open on standard routes. Work ethic is there ( see Tua and Waddle interview after his good game a few weeks ago ). I’ve also seen games where they have tried to get him involved and it doesn’t quite show up on the box score as the plays haven’t quite come off

Defenses are playing them back a bit, which limits Hill and Waddles chances on the more impactful plays. I guess within McDaniel's system, that opens things up more for Jonnu. That said, I would call that poor adjustments on his part. Wouldn't you rather the YAC come from Hill/Waddle over Jonnu? They're faster and more explosive. Run more bubble screens or quick slants whenever you see the DBs playing back. I honestly haven't watched enough to see what adjustments are being made, but if you think about how the Chiefs were using Rice once DBs were consistently playing back it would be the question in Miami.

I think you are spot on and things are not going a lot better for Hill. I've been saying for awhile I don't think this has anything to do with protecting Tua from hits.

On one hand I want to be critical of McDaniel for failing to adjust. I want to say stuff like if I'm Stephen Ross I want answers to why I'm paying two WR's over $60m a year if you are just going to allow teams to mitigate them without much of a fight.

The counter to all of that is the offense has been working. I'm sure some of these a defensive scoring TD in here but since Tua returned they've scored 27,27,23,34, 34 and 17 points. One sub 23 point game in a very cold weather Thursday game. I can't really quibble with the end results.

 

[-jb-]

...since Tua returned they've scored 27,27,23,34, 34 and 17 points.

just wild stuff right here.

 

[TartanLion]

Consistent signs of life now !!

 

[daveR]

So I have seen the Offensive line issues addressed in this thread and we all can do the math on a Tua injury valley (for the whole offense) but are there any Miami fans here that have heard about anything underlying that ties to Waddle's performance? Nagging injury, philosophical dispute, no motor once the big contract was signed, etc...? I'm trying to tie a read onto a metric and this one just feels enigmatic right now.

Personally I just think they have lent on getting the ball out quick to Jonnu Smith and Achane, plus they prioritise getting Hill the ball downfield. For what it’s worth Matt Harmon says Waddle is still amazing but they don’t design specific plays for him like they do Hill so he just gets what he gets when Tua sees he’s open on standard routes. Work ethic is there ( see Tua and Waddle interview after his good game a few weeks ago ). I’ve also seen games where they have tried to get him involved and it doesn’t quite show up on the box score as the plays haven’t quite come off

Defenses are playing them back a bit, which limits Hill and Waddles chances on the more impactful plays. I guess within McDaniel's system, that opens things up more for Jonnu. That said, I would call that poor adjustments on his part. Wouldn't you rather the YAC come from Hill/Waddle over Jonnu? They're faster and more explosive. Run more bubble screens or quick slants whenever you see the DBs playing back. I honestly haven't watched enough to see what adjustments are being made, but if you think about how the Chiefs were using Rice once DBs were consistently playing back it would be the question in Miami.

If I were the DC, I'd play MIA like teams are playing KC. That would turn Jonnu into Kelce.

 

[BobbyLayne]

Jaylen Waddle, Weeks 1-11: 8.0 PPR points per game

Weeks 12-14: 20.2 PPR points per game

 

[-jb-]

So, Phins pivoted back to using Hill/Waddle like we all want them to. Did anyone watch the game closely enough to analyze how the Jets were lining up on them?

 

[nittanylion]

At one point, Waddle had 100 yards receiving on MFL, which is a 3-point plateau in my local high-stakes League.

For some reason, it was adjusted to 99 at some point later.

I lost a big game (bye week playoff seeding on the line), by 1 point.

Anyone know what happened?

 

[Mitchie]

In all my years playing this game I don't think anyone has pissed me off more than this guy, between the injuries and being the most unpredictable player in the league. Just when it seems he's on a resurgence puts up a friggin goose egg.

 

[Uncle Leo]

BOTY candidate for sure. Mahomes, Kelce, Etienne, and Kincaid will fight to the finish for this trophy.

 

[TampaMike19]

In all my years playing this game I don't think anyone has pissed me off more than this guy, between the injuries and being the most unpredictable player in the league. Just when it seems he's on a resurgence puts up a friggin goose egg.

Seriously- massive headache of a fantasy player to have

 

[Ilov80s]

In all my years playing this game I don't think anyone has pissed me off more than this guy, between the injuries and being the most unpredictable player in the league. Just when it seems he's on a resurgence puts up a friggin goose egg.

Seriously- massive headache of a fantasy player to have

Yeah, I am done with this guy. One of the most overrated fantasy players in recent memory.

 

[Faust]

@32BeatWriters
“Finding ways to get Waddle free downfield should be one of the team’s primary focuses on offense this season. Assuming Tua Tagovailoa plays most of the team’s games, Waddle has a good chance to bounce back in a big way this season. “

https://x.com/32beatwriters/status/1929868943382270048?s=61

 

[dipandglide]

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

 

[MTskibum]

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

In one dynasty league i offered Barkley for Waddle and 2.12, that was promptly rejected. The team i offered it to is in win now mode, they won last year in fact.

Not sure how much more I would be willing to offer. I would have thought about a counter offer for waddle straight across, but i didnt even get the offer.

 

[Soulfly3]

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

In one dynasty league i offered Barkley for Waddle and 2.12,

You own Barkley?
And you offered Saquon barkley for Jaylen Waddle and a scrub basically 3rd round pick?
And the other owner rejected it?

Do you play in a PPTD (point per terrible decision) league?

 

[JoeJoe88]

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

In one dynasty league i offered Barkley for Waddle and 2.12, that was promptly rejected. The team i offered it to is in win now mode, they won last year in fact.

Not sure how much more I would be willing to offer. I would have thought about a counter offer for waddle straight across, but i didnt even get the offer.

Shocked that was rejected tbh.

If I were a contending team and woke up to that in my inbox, I’d be packing Jaylen’s bags for him.

 

[joey]

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

In one dynasty league i offered Barkley for Waddle and 2.12, that was promptly rejected. The team i offered it to is in win now mode, they won last year in fact.

Not sure how much more I would be willing to offer. I would have thought about a counter offer for waddle straight across, but i didnt even get the offer.

Shocked that was rejected tbh.

If I were a contending team and woke up to that in my inbox, I’d be packing Jaylen’s bags for him.

Yup. Rejecting that offer makes zero sense.

 

[dipandglide]

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

In one dynasty league i offered Barkley for Waddle and 2.12, that was promptly rejected. The team i offered it to is in win now mode, they won last year in fact.

Not sure how much more I would be willing to offer. I would have thought about a counter offer for waddle straight across, but i didnt even get the offer.

Shocked that was rejected tbh.

If I were a contending team and woke up to that in my inbox, I’d be packing Jaylen’s bags for him.

Yup. Rejecting that offer makes zero sense.

That's a crazy rejection. If I'm moving Barkley, I'd shoot for someone higher up the value list than Waddle.

 

[Jail]

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

In one dynasty league i offered Barkley for Waddle and 2.12, that was promptly rejected. The team i offered it to is in win now mode, they won last year in fact.

Not sure how much more I would be willing to offer. I would have thought about a counter offer for waddle straight across, but i didnt even get the offer.

That’s an interesting offer. At first I was like the others thinking it’s easy decision, but one could certainly argue that Barkley is a quintessential sell high candidate. 28 years old for RB has not been kind. Plus he’s got the double wammy 370 and Madden curse hitting him .
Waddle is 2 years younger at a position that has a longer career to boot. Probably a good buy low candidate.

Might not be so easy after all.

 

[JoeJoe88]

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

In one dynasty league i offered Barkley for Waddle and 2.12, that was promptly rejected. The team i offered it to is in win now mode, they won last year in fact.

Not sure how much more I would be willing to offer. I would have thought about a counter offer for waddle straight across, but i didnt even get the offer.

That’s an interesting offer. At first I was like the others thinking it’s easy decision, but one could certainly argue that Barkley is a quintessential sell high candidate. 28 years old for RB has not been kind. Plus he’s got the double wammy 370 and Madden curse hitting him .
Waddle is 2 years younger at a position that has a longer career to boot. Probably a good buy low candidate.

Might not be so easy after all.

Would be extremely easy for me if I were a contender, and that guy obviously is since he won the league last season.

Saquon’s upside is league winner. Waddle’s is…WR2? He hasn’t even been that lately.

 

[MTskibum]

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

In one dynasty league i offered Barkley for Waddle and 2.12, that was promptly rejected. The team i offered it to is in win now mode, they won last year in fact.

Not sure how much more I would be willing to offer. I would have thought about a counter offer for waddle straight across, but i didnt even get the offer.

Shocked that was rejected tbh.

If I were a contending team and woke up to that in my inbox, I’d be packing Jaylen’s bags for him.

I am cont

It's awfully quiet here. I'd buy if I didn't own him in most of my leagues. He's got a history of producing, is talented, still young, and Hill is on the decline. That's a good recipe for those who want to win.

In one dynasty league i offered Barkley for Waddle and 2.12, that was promptly rejected. The team i offered it to is in win now mode, they won last year in fact.

Not sure how much more I would be willing to offer. I would have thought about a counter offer for waddle straight across, but i didnt even get the offer.

That’s an interesting offer. At first I was like the others thinking it’s easy decision, but one could certainly argue that Barkley is a quintessential sell high candidate. 28 years old for RB has not been kind. Plus he’s got the double wammy 370 and Madden curse hitting him .
Waddle is 2 years younger at a position that has a longer career to boot. Probably a good buy low candidate.

Might not be so easy after all.

I am also a contender, #2 in points last year with a mostly young team. I agree with your assessment which is why I want to sell.

I will ride it out though.

 

[Todem]

Yeah not a fan……at all.

 

[ffmail4me]

Yeah not a fan……at all.

I traded him away a few months ago in a dynasty league for the 1.9, 2.9, 3.9 picks and some bidding bucks and feel great about it.

 

[Dez]

Hard to trust this guy after costing me at least $50K last year and possibly $475K.
I finished 3rd place overall in RTS and the first playoff week Waddle scored me 0 pts.
I missed 2nd place by 2 pts and 1st place by 13 pts.
If only I had taken the guy 1 spot lower on my ranking sheet the day I drafted this team I would have won 1st and 500K.
That guys name who I passed up at 3.11 for Waddle 1 spot lower on my sheet you ask ?
Malik Nabers.

 

[massraider]

There is a world where the Fins get back to their best, but Waddle is #1 instead of number 2

 

[ffmail4me]

Yeah not a fan……at all.

I traded him away a few months ago in a dynasty league for the 1.9, 2.9, 3.9 picks and some bidding bucks and feel great about it.

Update for anyone that might have been curious, I turned Waddle into those picks (and then added one more pick, my 2.5) and turned those picks into the following players: Travis Hunter, Kyle Williams, Ayomanor, and Tyler Shough. I am very happy with the results.

 

[Faust]

Dolphins WR Jaylen Waddle seeks redemption in 2025

 

[King of the Jungle]

Seems like a good value with upside at his ADP. People are starting to forget how good he was. There is risk due to QB health and his own health, but he is definitely someone who I would be targeting this year at his current cost.

 

[Big Nate]

Seems like a good value with upside at his ADP. People are starting to forget how good he was. There is risk due to QB health and his own health, but he is definitely someone who I would be targeting this year at his current cost.

There are so many good values it seems now, including Waddle.

Lately it seems that if someone has one down year, injury year, etc. they are instantly wrote off as if they suck and are no good anymore. Waddle had two top 12 WR finishes but all of a sudden now he is no good? Pittman is another who is a solid WR2 but has been written off.

 

[Ilov80s]

Seems like a good value with upside at his ADP. People are starting to forget how good he was. There is risk due to QB health and his own health, but he is definitely someone who I would be targeting this year at his current cost.

There are so many good values it seems now, including Waddle.

Lately it seems that if someone has one down year, injury year, etc. they are instantly wrote off as if they suck and are no good anymore. Waddle had two top 12 WR finishes but all of a sudden now he is no good? Pittman is another who is a solid WR2 but has been written off.

Him and Olave both went from really over valued to really under valued. Both have QB concerns, injury concerns, OL concerns and general offensive concerns with both but there is a chance for a ton of targets. Both players are skilled. They are never going to be Tyreek, Justin Jefferson buit they are really good players.

 

[Big Nate]

Seems like a good value with upside at his ADP. People are starting to forget how good he was. There is risk due to QB health and his own health, but he is definitely someone who I would be targeting this year at his current cost.

There are so many good values it seems now, including Waddle.

Lately it seems that if someone has one down year, injury year, etc. they are instantly wrote off as if they suck and are no good anymore. Waddle had two top 12 WR finishes but all of a sudden now he is no good? Pittman is another who is a solid WR2 but has been written off.

Him and Olave both went from really over valued to really under valued. Both have QB concerns, injury concerns, OL concerns and general offensive concerns with both but there is a chance for a ton of targets. Both players are skilled. They are never going to be Tyreek, Justin Jefferson buit they are really good players.

I'm with you on Olave except we don't know if he will have a good QB throwing him the ball. With Tua we know he can support both Hill and Waddle as he did it before. The o-line was a massive problem for MIA last year. Obviously Tua needs to stay healthy so that is the question there but he's talented enough to support Hill and Waddle.

 

[Ilov80s]

Seems like a good value with upside at his ADP. People are starting to forget how good he was. There is risk due to QB health and his own health, but he is definitely someone who I would be targeting this year at his current cost.

There are so many good values it seems now, including Waddle.

Lately it seems that if someone has one down year, injury year, etc. they are instantly wrote off as if they suck and are no good anymore. Waddle had two top 12 WR finishes but all of a sudden now he is no good? Pittman is another who is a solid WR2 but has been written off.

Him and Olave both went from really over valued to really under valued. Both have QB concerns, injury concerns, OL concerns and general offensive concerns with both but there is a chance for a ton of targets. Both players are skilled. They are never going to be Tyreek, Justin Jefferson buit they are really good players.

I'm with you on Olave except we don't know if he will have a good QB throwing him the ball. With Tua we know he can support both Hill and Waddle as he did it before. The o-line was a massive problem for MIA last year. Obviously Tua needs to stay healthy so that is the question there but he's talented enough to support Hill and Waddle.

Sure the QB is a big ? for Olave but that is priced in. Waddle still has to deal with being the WR2 on his team. Olave is the only guy and could lead the NFL in targets. Now how many of those are catchable and how often they are in the RZ, that's a little tougher to say. Still for the number of targets he could realistically get, I like Olave's value. And I say this as someone who was burned them both last year. They both flat out stunk.

 

[Big Nate]

Seems like a good value with upside at his ADP. People are starting to forget how good he was. There is risk due to QB health and his own health, but he is definitely someone who I would be targeting this year at his current cost.

There are so many good values it seems now, including Waddle.

Lately it seems that if someone has one down year, injury year, etc. they are instantly wrote off as if they suck and are no good anymore. Waddle had two top 12 WR finishes but all of a sudden now he is no good? Pittman is another who is a solid WR2 but has been written off.

Him and Olave both went from really over valued to really under valued. Both have QB concerns, injury concerns, OL concerns and general offensive concerns with both but there is a chance for a ton of targets. Both players are skilled. They are never going to be Tyreek, Justin Jefferson buit they are really good players.

I'm with you on Olave except we don't know if he will have a good QB throwing him the ball. With Tua we know he can support both Hill and Waddle as he did it before. The o-line was a massive problem for MIA last year. Obviously Tua needs to stay healthy so that is the question there but he's talented enough to support Hill and Waddle.

Sure the QB is a big ? for Olave but that is priced in. Waddle still has to deal with being the WR2 on his team. Olave is the only guy and could lead the NFL in targets. Now how many of those are catchable and how often they are in the RZ, that's a little tougher to say. Still for the number of targets he could realistically get, I like Olave's value. And I say this as someone who was burned them both last year. They both flat out stunk.

I agree that Olave is great value. Also baked in is his concussion issues. I sure hope he can stay healthy as one bad hit and he might miss the year. He has tons of talent though for sure.