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WR Jon Baldwin is a bust. (1 Viewer)

Rotoworld:

Jonathan Baldwin hasn't practiced with the Chiefs since Wednesday, and Nick Wright of 610 Kansas City tweeted Thursday that he's "hearing bad things" about the rookie's mysterious absence.

"Wright admits he's still working to confirm on whatever information he has on Baldwin. Wright does insist Baldwin's absence is "NOT injury related." The 26th overall pick in the draft, Baldwin has made zero headway on the Chiefs' receiver depth chart since training camp began. He's ticketed for a backup role."

Too many 'bad things' coming out about this guy... Scratch him off your rookie lists if it's not too late.

UPDATE (Rotoworld):

Nick Wright of 610 Kansas City reports that rookie Jonathan Baldwin is likely done for the preseason after injuring his wrist in a locker-room brawl with running back Thomas Jones.

"Well, this won't help Baldwin move up the depth chart or endear him to teammates. Jones has always been a locker-room favorite. A Chiefs source tells Wright that Baldwin, "is as advertised. Diva, spoiled, doesn't wanna listen. Can run a Go and a Slant, and doesn't wanna work." Baldwin reportedly refused to learn how to beat press coverage before the injury. He's safe to leave off fantasy draft boards. Dwayne Bowe, Jerheme Urban, and Steve Breaston will open the year as Kansas City's top three receivers."

 
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Jeremy Ursomething and Steve Breaston are the WR2/3 in redrafts this year. I think Breaston will nudge ahead as the season unfolds.
Yeah, I was thinking that I really like Breaston at this point. I would be surprised if you couldn't get him as your WR 4 in a 12 team league (or maybe even WR depending how you draft), and that just screams value. Breaston still has upside, but i used to always use a late pick on Ike Hilliard and while he was not amazing, he always gave you something when you needed him. I would think Breaston could give you a lot more at roughly the same price.
 
We have our dynasty rookie auction in late July. (Yes, yes, way too early....) Man I was burning up to get this guy, but luckily Ryan Williams fell into my lap. Thank goodness.

I wonder what's happening here? Around the draft there were all kinds of posts raving about him. I know EBF (very knowledgable poster that always does very comprehensive rookie reviews) was raving about the guy. Also, he had character issues at Pitt, but I read at least three articles that said those concerns were overblown and that he was a good egg.

Then training camp starts and its one piece of bad news after the next with this guy. Seems way too early to call him a bust, but if I owned him I sure wouldn't like the trend.

 
Nick Wright of 610 Kansas City reports that rookie Jonathan Baldwin is likely done for the preseason after injuring his wrist in a locker-room brawl with running back Thomas Jones.

 
Baldwin probably broke his wrist when landing a punch on Thomas Jones' rock hard abs. Out of all the dudes to fight, I think Thomas Jones would probably be my last choice in that locker room.

 
Nick Wright of 610 Kansas City reports that rookie Jonathan Baldwin is likely done for the preseason after injuring his wrist in a locker-room brawl with running back Thomas Jones.
I wonder if TJ advised him afterwards to try and roll with the "I broke it reaching to answer the phone" excuse, since it worked so well for him in the past.
 
More of this should be expected this year given no rookie OTAs; they just got the playbooks etc.
We should expect rookies to not be practicing and get into fights with teammates?They got their playbooks at least 2 weeks ago...if not before. That excuse is old. :rolleyes:
 
More from PFT:

Chiefs first round wide receiver Jonathan Baldwin was mysteriously missing from Chiefs practice on Wednesday.

A radio report in Kansas City hinted there may be more to the story, but we passed on mentioning it until more information came out. Well, it’s out now. If Nick Wright of 610 radio in Kansas City is right, the story is a doozy.

Wright reports that Baldwin will likely miss the rest of the preseason after injuring his wrist during a locker room scuffle with teammate Thomas Jones. Baldwin’s work ethic has reportedly been an issue.

“He’s as advertised,” a source tells Wright. “Diva, spoiled, doesn’t wanna listen. Can run a Go and a Slant, and doesn’t wanna work.”

The Chiefs flew to Baltimore on Thursday in preparation for Friday’s preseason game. The team hasn’t said whether Baldwin was on the flight with them.

Baldwin was already struggling in Chiefs camp before this news came out. He looks unlikely to play much early in the year.
 
More from PFT:

Chiefs first round wide receiver Jonathan Baldwin was mysteriously missing from Chiefs practice on Wednesday.

A radio report in Kansas City hinted there may be more to the story, but we passed on mentioning it until more information came out. Well, it’s out now. If Nick Wright of 610 radio in Kansas City is right, the story is a doozy.

Wright reports that Baldwin will likely miss the rest of the preseason after injuring his wrist during a locker room scuffle with teammate Thomas Jones. Baldwin’s work ethic has reportedly been an issue.

“He’s as advertised,” a source tells Wright. “Diva, spoiled, doesn’t wanna listen. Can run a Go and a Slant, and doesn’t wanna work.”

The Chiefs flew to Baltimore on Thursday in preparation for Friday’s preseason game. The team hasn’t said whether Baldwin was on the flight with them.

Baldwin was already struggling in Chiefs camp before this news came out. He looks unlikely to play much early in the year.
Why Why Why?
 
More from PFT:

Chiefs first round wide receiver Jonathan Baldwin was mysteriously missing from Chiefs practice on Wednesday.

A radio report in Kansas City hinted there may be more to the story, but we passed on mentioning it until more information came out. Well, it’s out now. If Nick Wright of 610 radio in Kansas City is right, the story is a doozy.

Wright reports that Baldwin will likely miss the rest of the preseason after injuring his wrist during a locker room scuffle with teammate Thomas Jones. Baldwin’s work ethic has reportedly been an issue.

“He’s as advertised,” a source tells Wright. “Diva, spoiled, doesn’t wanna listen. Can run a Go and a Slant, and doesn’t wanna work.”

The Chiefs flew to Baltimore on Thursday in preparation for Friday’s preseason game. The team hasn’t said whether Baldwin was on the flight with them.

Baldwin was already struggling in Chiefs camp before this news came out. He looks unlikely to play much early in the year.
Why Why Why?
When one Facepalm doesn't cut it.The warning signs were so glaringly obvious. This has to be another example of machismo (on the part of the Chiefs' staff) overpowering brains.

 
Enhances Colbert's chances of making the club:

Thoughts from Chiefs camp

Excerpt:

Remember Keary Colbert? Former second-round pick of the Panthers. Bounced around to two United Football League teams recently. Coached tight ends for USC, his alma mater, last year. He's got a legit chance to make the Chiefs. I wouldn't say 50-50, but close.

Todd Haley told me today that Colbert's agent sent the club a YouTube video of Colbert working out recently, "and we thought it must have been photoshopped, it looked so good. Then we worked him out, and he looked terrific. Unless it's a mirage, he'll be in the thick of things for a job here.''

But he'll be competing with the best stable of receivers the Chiefs have had, by far, in Haley's three years. He may have to beat out current nominal starter Jerheme Urban, a Haley favorite from Arizona, to make it.
 
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More from PFT:

Chiefs first round wide receiver Jonathan Baldwin was mysteriously missing from Chiefs practice on Wednesday.

A radio report in Kansas City hinted there may be more to the story, but we passed on mentioning it until more information came out. Well, it’s out now. If Nick Wright of 610 radio in Kansas City is right, the story is a doozy.

Wright reports that Baldwin will likely miss the rest of the preseason after injuring his wrist during a locker room scuffle with teammate Thomas Jones. Baldwin’s work ethic has reportedly been an issue.

“He’s as advertised,” a source tells Wright. “Diva, spoiled, doesn’t wanna listen. Can run a Go and a Slant, and doesn’t wanna work.”

The Chiefs flew to Baltimore on Thursday in preparation for Friday’s preseason game. The team hasn’t said whether Baldwin was on the flight with them.

Baldwin was already struggling in Chiefs camp before this news came out. He looks unlikely to play much early in the year.
Why Why Why?
When one Facepalm doesn't cut it.The warning signs were so glaringly obvious. This has to be another example of machismo (on the part of the Chiefs' staff) overpowering brains.
You probably didn't draft him in a rookie draft though :mellow:
 
Steve Smith busted his teammate's nose in the 2008 pre-season. He caught for 1,421 yards in 14 games that year, his 2nd best year. Jon Baldwin just rocketed up my draft board.

I'm about 50% kidding. The main point is that I don't care if he's a good teammate from a FF perspective. If he can play, he can play. We've had a LOT of diva WRs, and they have been some of the best WRs in the game.

Now if he is lazy as some of the reports seem to indicate, that is a red flag worth looking at. Lazy is always bad, unless you are Randy Moss, and he's not Randy Moss.

But it's a little early to give up on a guy based on what we have seen so far. Dwayne Bowe got the lazy rap too, and he did go through stretches where you would have thought he was going to wash out. But guys do wake up sometimes.

 
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As much as we'd all like to see every rookie explode out of the gates, none of this really means much yet. With a player this young, a lot can change in 2-3 years. Maybe he'll get his sh## together. Maybe not. Either way, I've always said that I'll take a headcase with elite talent over a Boy Scout with marginal skills. If I had enough faith to use a first round rookie pick on Baldwin, I certainly wouldn't trade him because of a bad first training camp. Patience is a virtue.

I remember last year a lot of people were giving me stick about Andre Roberts because I had him ranked really high. He had a terrible preseason and a lot of people said he was lucky to even make the team. Well...now it looks like he'll be a starter on opening day. That's not to say that Roberts and Baldwin are going to be studs. The point is that you've gotta be patient and take these early reports with a grain of salt. Not every prospect hits the ground running.

 
I remember last year a lot of people were giving me stick about Andre Roberts because I had him ranked really high. He had a terrible preseason and a lot of people said he was lucky to even make the team. Well...now it looks like he'll be a starter on opening day. That's not to say that Roberts and Baldwin are going to be studs. The point is that you've gotta be patient and take these early reports with a grain of salt. Not every prospect hits the ground running.
I immediately thought of Andre Roberts here. As a Cards fan I can tell you that he looked like a deer-in-the-headlights last year. When I watch him now, it's hard to believe he's the same guy.So sure "the jury's still out" is fair and good at this point. But when you hear character concerns about a guy and he continues to prove his critics right, it's sure discouraging. When you combine that with the beat reporters saying "This guy can't get off the jam" its well, not good.
 
Steve Smith busted his teammate's nose in the 2008 pre-season. He caught for 1,421 yards in 14 games that year, his 2nd best year. Jon Baldwin just rocketed up my draft board.I'm about 50% kidding. The main point is that I don't care if he's a good teammate from a FF perspective. If he can play, he can play. We've had a LOT of diva WRs, and they have been some of the best WRs in the game.Now if he is lazy as some of the reports seem to indicate, that is a red flag worth looking at. Lazy is always bad, unless you are Randy Moss, and he's not Randy Moss.But it's a little early to give up on a guy based on what we have seen so far. Dwayne Bowe got the lazy rap too, and he did go through stretches where you would have thought he was going to wash out. But guys do wake up sometimes.
I think the bigger concern is who he chose to scuffle with. He should be lucky TJ didn't fracture his skull. I can picture TJ putting Baldwin in the headlock and squeazing until his eyeballs popped out. I'm sure everyone in that locker room were shaking their head in disbelief saying: "Oh no! Not TJ...don't eff with TJ!"
 
As much as we'd all like to see every rookie explode out of the gates, none of this really means much yet. With a player this young, a lot can change in 2-3 years. Maybe he'll get his sh## together. Maybe not. Either way, I've always said that I'll take a headcase with elite talent over a Boy Scout with marginal skills. If I had enough faith to use a first round rookie pick on Baldwin, I certainly wouldn't trade him because of a bad first training camp. Patience is a virtue.

I remember last year a lot of people were giving me stick about Andre Roberts because I had him ranked really high. He had a terrible preseason and a lot of people said he was lucky to even make the team. Well...now it looks like he'll be a starter on opening day. That's not to say that Roberts and Baldwin are going to be studs. The point is that you've gotta be patient and take these early reports with a grain of salt. Not every prospect hits the ground running.
he probably should have tried hitting the ground instead of TJ.....
 
Steve Smith busted his teammate's nose in the 2008 pre-season. He caught for 1,421 yards in 14 games that year, his 2nd best year. Jon Baldwin just rocketed up my draft board.I'm about 50% kidding. The main point is that I don't care if he's a good teammate from a FF perspective. If he can play, he can play. We've had a LOT of diva WRs, and they have been some of the best WRs in the game.Now if he is lazy as some of the reports seem to indicate, that is a red flag worth looking at. Lazy is always bad, unless you are Randy Moss, and he's not Randy Moss.But it's a little early to give up on a guy based on what we have seen so far. Dwayne Bowe got the lazy rap too, and he did go through stretches where you would have thought he was going to wash out. But guys do wake up sometimes.
I think the bigger concern is who he chose to scuffle with. He should be lucky TJ didn't fracture his skull. I can picture TJ putting Baldwin in the headlock and squeazing until his eyeballs popped out. I'm sure everyone in that locker room were shaking their head in disbelief saying: "Oh no! Not TJ...don't eff with TJ!"
Unless TJ did the choosing instead of Baldwin. If TJ started pushing him around and he just took it, it would have been terrible in the eyes of his teammates as well. No one wants an alternative word for cat for a teammate.
 
We have our dynasty rookie auction in late July. (Yes, yes, way too early....) Man I was burning up to get this guy, but luckily Ryan Williams fell into my lap. Thank goodness. I wonder what's happening here? Around the draft there were all kinds of posts raving about him. I know EBF (very knowledgable poster that always does very comprehensive rookie reviews) was raving about the guy. Also, he had character issues at Pitt, but I read at least three articles that said those concerns were overblown and that he was a good egg.Then training camp starts and its one piece of bad news after the next with this guy. Seems way too early to call him a bust, but if I owned him I sure wouldn't like the trend.
First, it IS early to call this guy a bust. Heck, he hasn't even played one real game yet and camp is all of two weeks old? BUT, if a guy will not practice and is not coachable, it is killer. It is always very hard to tell how coachable a player is until he gets to camp and the media start scrutinizing him so I suspect that is why some people had him rated so highly--they looked at his talent. That being said, lots of guys with talent at the WR position never fully realize it: think about Braylon Edwards for example. Look at how long it took big Mike Williams. I do agree about lack of OTAs holding back all the younger players, but the reports about Cobb in GB prove that talent and hard work/attitude can always go a long ways.
 
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If Baldwin was working his tail off but got in a fight this would be entirely different. But he came out of the starting gates weak and now this. As of today, he's closer to being out of the league than in it.

 
Part of the problem is that hearsay can turn to "fact" very quickly in the FF world. I remember several years ago there was a lot of chatter that Aaron Rodgers was a bust even though there was absolutely NO EVIDENCE. Without actually being in the KC locker room or watching practices from the sidelines, it's hard for me to gauge how accurate any of the whispers might be.

But let's assume the worst. Baldwin is a punk who punched a veteran leader. He has also been horrible in practice, showing minimal desire and ability.

Even if the absolute worst case scenario is true, I don't think it represents the death knell of his career. The struggling to beat the jam thing carries very little weight with me since it's common for rookies (even highly drafted ones) to struggle. Do you remember how bad Plaxico Burress was during his rookie year? I do. The attitude stuff is a bigger concern, but again, it's not a death sentence. Sometimes players mature and become better workers. Sometimes they don't have to because their talent is so strong that they can thrive even with half-assed effort.

To give you another example, Darren McFadden was a bust right out of the gate. I heard from people who actually met the dude and have hung out at his house that he basically did nothing all day but sit around and smoke weed. And yet, there he was, lighting up the league last year.

I don't think dynasty FF is a good hobby for people who get the itchy trigger finger every time they read a negative report about one of their prospects. With young players especially, you have to ride out the waves if you believe in the player's ability.

 
Good post and its all true but his actions have placed his career in jeopardy. He has even more work to do now than the day he was drafted to salvage it. Can he? Sure. Odds arent in his favor.

 
No, that's being melodramatic.

The NFL is like any other profession in the sense that employers will tolerate virtually any personality if they believe that the person in question can contribute to their business. The Chiefs made a big investment in Baldwin and it would be virtually unprecedented for them to ship him out of town without giving him 2...3...4...5 chances to prove himself. And guess what?

The minute that he hit the waiver wire there would be teams lining up to give him a 6th...7th...8th chance.

That's what first round talent can do for you.

Look, Pac-Man Jones is still in the NFL.

I think that pretty much says it all.

 
I think you're ignoring the fact he's in the process of being labelled as lazy. Being a screw up is different.

 
Locker Room Brawling Rule #1 -- when in the mood to throw down, go find a kicker.

This is what happens when you don't have a rookie symposium. Damn lockout.

 
Baldwin probably broke his wrist when landing a punch on Thomas Jones' rock hard abs. Out of all the dudes to fight, I think Thomas Jones would probably be my last choice in that locker room.
Seriously. Start with McCluster or the kicker or something. Going after TJ shows he's dumb on several levels.And breaking your wrist? Assaulting a veteran leader of the team? When you're a receiver and your hands are your job?Whatta maroon.
 
If Baldwin was working his tail off but got in a fight this would be entirely different. But he came out of the starting gates weak and now this. As of today, he's closer to being out of the league than in it.
Except for the fact that he is currently in the league, you're right.
 
No, that's being melodramatic. The NFL is like any other profession in the sense that employers will tolerate virtually any personality if they believe that the person in question can contribute to their business. The Chiefs made a big investment in Baldwin and it would be virtually unprecedented for them to ship him out of town without giving him 2...3...4...5 chances to prove himself. And guess what?The minute that he hit the waiver wire there would be teams lining up to give him a 6th...7th...8th chance. That's what first round talent can do for you. Look, Pac-Man Jones is still in the NFL.I think that pretty much says it all.
Sure, Pac-Man is still in the NFL. However, he is still a 100% bust.
 
Jones has always been a locker-room favorite.
:lmao: The same Thomas Jones that washed out in Arizona before getting involved in "new training methods" while in Tampa? The same Thomas Jones that got into a locker room fight in Chicago and was later shown the door in favor of noted good guy Ced Benson? The same Thomas Jones that New York passed on keeping?There's a reason Thomas Jones has been on five teams. That doesn't mean Jon Baldwin doesn't need to do some maturing but let's not act like the guy he went after is clean here.
 
Baldwin probably broke his wrist when landing a punch on Thomas Jones' rock hard abs. Out of all the dudes to fight, I think Thomas Jones would probably be my last choice in that locker room.
Seriously. Start with McCluster or the kicker or something. Going after TJ shows he's dumb on several levels.And breaking your wrist? Assaulting a veteran leader of the team? When you're a receiver and your hands are your job?

Whatta maroon.
FWIW, unless I'm missing something, none of the reports have confirmed that Baldwin was the aggressor. He could've been defending himself. Again, this is how hearsay becomes "fact." When people start jumping to conclusions based on vague reports from "insiders" and people "close to the situation."

 
I don't think any Bears personnel moves should ever be part of a discussion on the worth of a player involved in them.

 
Jones has always been a locker-room favorite.
:lmao: The same Thomas Jones that washed out in Arizona before getting involved in "new training methods" while in Tampa? The same Thomas Jones that got into a locker room fight in Chicago and was later shown the door in favor of noted good guy Ced Benson? The same Thomas Jones that New York passed on keeping?There's a reason Thomas Jones has been on five teams. That doesn't mean Jon Baldwin doesn't need to do some maturing but let's not act like the guy he went after is clean here.
Which is why I questioned the prevailing notion that it was Baldwin going after TJ and not the other way around.
 
Jones has always been a locker-room favorite.
:lmao: The same Thomas Jones that washed out in Arizona before getting involved in "new training methods" while in Tampa? The same Thomas Jones that got into a locker room fight in Chicago and was later shown the door in favor of noted good guy Ced Benson? The same Thomas Jones that New York passed on keeping?There's a reason Thomas Jones has been on five teams. That doesn't mean Jon Baldwin doesn't need to do some maturing but let's not act like the guy he went after is clean here.
I laughed as well. The guy has been in the Chief's locker-room for a grand total of one year.
 
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I remember last year a lot of people were giving me stick about Andre Roberts because I had him ranked really high. He had a terrible preseason and a lot of people said he was lucky to even make the team. Well...now it looks like he'll be a starter on opening day. That's not to say that Roberts and Baldwin are going to be studs. The point is that you've gotta be patient and take these early reports with a grain of salt. Not every prospect hits the ground running.
I immediately thought of Andre Roberts here. As a Cards fan I can tell you that he looked like a deer-in-the-headlights last year. When I watch him now, it's hard to believe he's the same guy.So sure "the jury's still out" is fair and good at this point. But when you hear character concerns about a guy and he continues to prove his critics right, it's sure discouraging. When you combine that with the beat reporters saying "This guy can't get off the jam" its well, not good.
Roberts doesn't belong in this discussion IMO. He went to a military school and from everything I've seen he's a quality guy. Like a lot of receivers, especially from small schools, it took him longer to adjust to the NFL. Baldwin has had nothing but red flags all a long.
 
time to buy low guyshttp://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/04/08/andrew-whitworth-lockout-leads-to-lazy-players-bad-football/Andrew Whitworth: Lockout leads to lazy players, bad footballPosted by Michael David Smith on April 8, 2011, 3:58 PM EDT

We’re five months away from the scheduled start of the 2011 NFL regular season, which might seem like more than enough time to reach a labor deal and get players ready to play.But Bengals left tackle Andrew Whitworth, the team’s player representative, views things differently.Whitworth told USA Today that it’s only natural for players to take it easy during the lockout, and that as a result they’ll show up rusty and out of shape whenever the labor dispute gets resolved.“Guys are human beings. And if you tell guys ‘It doesn’t look like you’re doing anything until July or August,’ guys will lose a lot of incentive to train and to get better,” Whitworth said. “You will get a lot of guys who will say, ‘We’re not even going to play. I’m not going to work hard all the time.’”Whitworth thinks everyone should be ready for sub-par football if players don’t have a full offseason to get ready.“You’re going to ruin the chance for quality football,” he said. “There will be more injuries and things that affect the game. Period.”So even if a deal gets done in time for the season to start five months from today, that doesn’t mean the quality of play will be what NFL fans have come to expect.
 
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More of this should be expected this year given no rookie OTAs; they just got the playbooks etc.
We should expect rookies to not be practicing and get into fights with teammates?They got their playbooks at least 2 weeks ago...if not before. That excuse is old. :rolleyes:
That part of the story broke after he posted. I think he was referring to the fact that he was missing practices despite not being hurt (like maybe he was in the classroom instead)Definitely not a death knell for Baldwin's NFL career... but it looks like a step down the worst case scenario path. Super glad I passed on him (and Vareen) for Cam right about now.
 
So was Bowe, yes it's way to early in dynasty leagues. KC knew they were going to have to school him like they did Bowe.

 

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