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WR Josh Gordon, KC (5 Viewers)

From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/
Would like to see more photos there. Haslam doesn't look very happy in that one.

How (funny/sad/predictable/awful) would it be if Gordon got popped again while this appeal is playing out?
He did; the failed drug test news leaked in May. On July 5th, he was arrested for driving while impaired in North Carolina. You don't think that comes into play for Goddell or whoever the arbitrator is, when they make their decision on the matter?

"So Josh; you were already on double secret probation for all your failed drug tests and with the latests results, the agreed to suspension (NFL/NFLPA) is one year. However, you're really good, so we're going to make an exception in this case and give you less than a year. Oh wait; you got arrested for driving while impaired about a month ago. Hmm... don't worry about that; it's all good.

 
From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/
Would like to see more photos there. Haslam doesn't look very happy in that one.

How (funny/sad/predictable/awful) would it be if Gordon got popped again while this appeal is playing out?
He did; the failed drug test news leaked in May. On July 5th, he was arrested for driving while impaired in North Carolina. You don't think that comes into play for Goddell or whoever the arbitrator is, when they make their decision on the matter?

"So Josh; you were already on double secret probation for all your failed drug tests and with the latests results, the agreed to suspension (NFL/NFLPA) is one year. However, you're really good, so we're going to make an exception in this case and give you less than a year. Oh wait; you got arrested for driving while impaired about a month ago. Hmm... don't worry about that; it's all good.
...and full circle for about the 100th time.

 
From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/
Would like to see more photos there. Haslam doesn't look very happy in that one.

How (funny/sad/predictable/awful) would it be if Gordon got popped again while this appeal is playing out?
He did; the failed drug test news leaked in May. On July 5th, he was arrested for driving while impaired in North Carolina. You don't think that comes into play for Goddell or whoever the arbitrator is, when they make their decision on the matter?"So Josh; you were already on double secret probation for all your failed drug tests and with the latests results, the agreed to suspension (NFL/NFLPA) is one year. However, you're really good, so we're going to make an exception in this case and give you less than a year. Oh wait; you got arrested for driving while impaired about a month ago. Hmm... don't worry about that; it's all good.
You've apparently come late to this thread, it's been hashed and rehashed.

There is one thing before the arbitrator, the test he either failed, or did not fail.

The DWI has not been heard in court yet, there's no way it is part of this is any way ,shape or form.

Thats how the NFL has handled it in the past and I'm not aware of it changing anytime recently, if it has, maybe someone can post a "link" supporting such.

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on the incident that, you know, actually involved a woman? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"

 
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From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/
Would like to see more photos there. Haslam doesn't look very happy in that one.

How (funny/sad/predictable/awful) would it be if Gordon got popped again while this appeal is playing out?
He did; the failed drug test news leaked in May. On July 5th, he was arrested for driving while impaired in North Carolina. You don't think that comes into play for Goddell or whoever the arbitrator is, when they make their decision on the matter?"So Josh; you were already on double secret probation for all your failed drug tests and with the latests results, the agreed to suspension (NFL/NFLPA) is one year. However, you're really good, so we're going to make an exception in this case and give you less than a year. Oh wait; you got arrested for driving while impaired about a month ago. Hmm... don't worry about that; it's all good.
You've apparently come late to this thread, it's been hashed and rehashed.

There is one thing before the arbitrator, the test he either failed, or did not fail.

The DWI has not been heard in court yet, there's no way it is part of this is any way ,shape or form.

Thats how the NFL has handled it in the past and I'm not aware of it changing anytime recently, if it has, maybe someone can post a "link" supporting such.
And that is exactly why the Ray Rice suspension has nothing to do with Gordons suspension....Period

 
Bayhawks said:
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4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.
GO to twitter, and type in "Josh Gordon" into the search bar.

Try and count how many tweets there are mentioning his name. He's probably the top 3 trending nfl players at the moment.

If you dont think he's a household name, you're way off base.. The evidence is right there for you to have a look.
CASUAL fan. People who tweet about NFL, during the offseason, are not CASUAL fans.

The diehard fans (you, me, people tweeting about football in the summer) will still watch the NFL, go to games, buy the gear, etc, whether or not Gordon gets off completely, or is banned for life from the NFL. The argument that the NFL's popularity is in danger b/c of bad press due to Gordon's (possible) suspension is baseless.
type it into twitter.

I assure you many of them are casual fans.
I searched for Gordon on Twitter. Over 1/2 the tweets on the first page were from sports sites (ESPN, NFL, etc) or had some kind of football term in their twitter handle. If their handle on twitter indicates their fandom of football, that indicates they aren't "casual fans."

How about this?

YOU are the one arguing that he is top-5 on twitter. Instead of offering up information as a fact without any proof/evidence of this "fact," why don't you provide some support? Show me something that says Josh Gordon is top-5 on twitter, then we can continue to discuss this.

The fact is Josh Gordon is not a big name to casual NFL fans, and die-hard NFL fans aren't going to stop watching the game because a player (no matter how good he is) is gone. They didn't when Von Miller got suspended, they didn't when Tom Brady was out for a year, they didn't when Peyton Manning was out for a year, they won't if Josh Gordon is out for a year.

 
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The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."

Neither of these headlines is fair, or tells even close to the full story. But you better believe they will come because they'll generate clicks and chatter.

I bet if Goodell could go back, he'd suspend Rice for six games. But that's spilled milk. What he does have control over still, is Gordon's case and the PR ramification therein.

You guys can disagree, and I certainly welcome and respect that, but I haven't heard anything yet about this particular angle to change my thinking. Does this mean Gordon won't get 16 games? Not necessarily. But I do think it's weighing on Goodell and the league brass. Unfortunately for the sake of this debate, we'll never know how much.

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."
Neither of those will be headlines from a meaningful source.

 
Bayhawks said:
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4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.
GO to twitter, and type in "Josh Gordon" into the search bar.

Try and count how many tweets there are mentioning his name. He's probably the top 3 trending nfl players at the moment.

If you dont think he's a household name, you're way off base.. The evidence is right there for you to have a look.
CASUAL fan. People who tweet about NFL, during the offseason, are not CASUAL fans.The diehard fans (you, me, people tweeting about football in the summer) will still watch the NFL, go to games, buy the gear, etc, whether or not Gordon gets off completely, or is banned for life from the NFL. The argument that the NFL's popularity is in danger b/c of bad press due to Gordon's (possible) suspension is baseless.
type it into twitter.

I assure you many of them are casual fans.
I searched for Gordon on Twitter. Over 1/2 the tweets on the first page were from sports sites (ESPN, NFL, etc) or had some kind of football term in their twitter handle. If their handle on twitter indicates their fandom of football, that indicates they aren't "casual fans."How about this?

YOU are the one arguing that he is top-5 on twitter. Instead of offering up information as a fact without any proof/evidence of this "fact," why don't you provide some support? Show me something that says Josh Gordon is top-5 on twitter, then we can continue to discuss this.

The fact is Josh Gordon is not a big name to casual NFL fans, and die-hard NFL fans aren't going to stop watching the game because a player (no matter how good he is) is gone. They didn't when Von Miller got suspended, they didn't when Tom Brady was out for a year, they didn't when Peyton Manning was out for a year, they won't if Josh Gordon is out for a year.
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You're welcome

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."
Neither of those will be headlines from a meaningful source.
I disagree. At least that part of this we'll be able to assess in real terms, if indeed Gordon is banned for 16.

ETA: drawing Gordon's resolution as far out as possible will mitigate this comparison. I fully acknowledge that.

 
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Bayhawks said:
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4-Gordon isn't a big name, not to the casual fan. Outside of FFers and Browns fans, most casual fans don't even realize that he is one of the best WRs in the NFL. He had one great season, but he's not a household name like Megatron, ADP, Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.
GO to twitter, and type in "Josh Gordon" into the search bar.

Try and count how many tweets there are mentioning his name. He's probably the top 3 trending nfl players at the moment.

If you dont think he's a household name, you're way off base.. The evidence is right there for you to have a look.
CASUAL fan. People who tweet about NFL, during the offseason, are not CASUAL fans.The diehard fans (you, me, people tweeting about football in the summer) will still watch the NFL, go to games, buy the gear, etc, whether or not Gordon gets off completely, or is banned for life from the NFL. The argument that the NFL's popularity is in danger b/c of bad press due to Gordon's (possible) suspension is baseless.
type it into twitter.

I assure you many of them are casual fans.
I searched for Gordon on Twitter. Over 1/2 the tweets on the first page were from sports sites (ESPN, NFL, etc) or had some kind of football term in their twitter handle. If their handle on twitter indicates their fandom of football, that indicates they aren't "casual fans."How about this?

YOU are the one arguing that he is top-5 on twitter. Instead of offering up information as a fact without any proof/evidence of this "fact," why don't you provide some support? Show me something that says Josh Gordon is top-5 on twitter, then we can continue to discuss this.

The fact is Josh Gordon is not a big name to casual NFL fans, and die-hard NFL fans aren't going to stop watching the game because a player (no matter how good he is) is gone. They didn't when Von Miller got suspended, they didn't when Tom Brady was out for a year, they didn't when Peyton Manning was out for a year, they won't if Josh Gordon is out for a year.
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You're welcome
If you want to continue this conversation, provide some support for your "facts." Post that support here, then we can continue this discussion.

You're welcome.

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."

Neither of these headlines is fair, or tells even close to the full story. But you better believe they will come because they'll generate clicks and chatter.

I bet if Goodell could go back, he'd suspend Rice for six games. But that's spilled milk. What he does have control over still, is Gordon's case and the PR ramification therein.

You guys can disagree, and I certainly welcome and respect that, but I haven't heard anything yet about this particular angle to change my thinking. Does this mean Gordon won't get 16 games? Not necessarily. But I do think it's weighing on Goodell and the league brass. Unfortunately for the sake of this debate, we'll never know how much.
Again, do you really think women who are upset with the leniency in Rice's suspension are going to become less upset because Josh Gordon gets a light punishment, as well?

That doesn't make any sense. If the NFL is trying to garner more women fans (as was your initial suggestion), they would have come down harder on Rice, not lighter on Gordon.

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."
Neither of those will be headlines from a meaningful source.
I disagree. At least that part of this we'll be able to assess in real terms, if indeed Gordon is banned for 16.

ETA: drawing Gordon's resolution as far out as possible will mitigate this comparison. I fully acknowledge that.
Cool. So which publication do you think will run with them? SI? Washington Post?

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."

Neither of these headlines is fair, or tells even close to the full story. But you better believe they will come because they'll generate clicks and chatter.

I bet if Goodell could go back, he'd suspend Rice for six games. But that's spilled milk. What he does have control over still, is Gordon's case and the PR ramification therein.

You guys can disagree, and I certainly welcome and respect that, but I haven't heard anything yet about this particular angle to change my thinking. Does this mean Gordon won't get 16 games? Not necessarily. But I do think it's weighing on Goodell and the league brass. Unfortunately for the sake of this debate, we'll never know how much.
What about the Headline: Gordon tests positive 3 times in college...Gordon tests positive 3 times in a 1yr and a half in the pros...Gordon friend busted for possession while riding in Gordons car, Gordon arrested for DUI......Goodell goes light on Gordons suspension 8 games......That won't look bad in the headlines?

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."

Neither of these headlines is fair, or tells even close to the full story. But you better believe they will come because they'll generate clicks and chatter.

I bet if Goodell could go back, he'd suspend Rice for six games. But that's spilled milk. What he does have control over still, is Gordon's case and the PR ramification therein.

You guys can disagree, and I certainly welcome and respect that, but I haven't heard anything yet about this particular angle to change my thinking. Does this mean Gordon won't get 16 games? Not necessarily. But I do think it's weighing on Goodell and the league brass. Unfortunately for the sake of this debate, we'll never know how much.
What about the Headline: Gordon tests positive 3 times in college...Gordon tests positive 3 times in a 1yr and a half in the pros...Gordon friend busted for possession while riding in Gordons car, Gordon arrested for DUI......Goodell goes light on Gordons suspension 8 games......That won't look bad in the headlines?
Not nearly as bad as the headlines above. Not to mention... didn't he only test positive once in college? From what I understand, there were two incidents. One, where him and Willie Jefferson were found passed out at a Taco Bell and there was weed found in Jefferson's car. Gordon was suspended a few games for it and Jefferson was booted from the team. That was Oct 2010, then in July 2011 he was suspended for failing a drug test, testing positive for weed. So he actually only tested positive once in college.

Since entering the pros I believe he's only technically tested positive twice? Once prior to last season which netted him the 2 game suspension. Then once again coming into this season which is the situation we're currently discussing now. On July 5th though, he was pulled over in NC for a DWI and it was reported he had a BAC of 0.09 which is a) not pot and b) really unlucky. You could throw a 0.09 after two beers, which is something most people would agree, is usually pretty safe to drive under. The legal limit in NC is 0.08 so he literally once again just barely tested positive.

These two occurrences of trouble this year are interesting. Cause honestly, I think he has more bad luck than he has stupidity. He barely tests positive for marijuana in his system and on the confirmation test actually tests negative. Then, he gets pulled over and blows literally 1 point above the legal limit, which while still 'illegal' is just stupid bad luck. At 0.09 it's highly unlikely he was doing anything to deserve to be pulled over, .09 isn't even really that impaired (which is why it's the legal limit) for most people. He was speeding a bit and that's what led to him being pulled over and the cop was probably being a ### and decided to test his BAC too because it was nighttime.

All in all, yes, he's had some drug problems in his past. But don't take 3 failed tests and just double it into 6 with no proof.

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."
Neither of those will be headlines from a meaningful source.
I disagree. At least that part of this we'll be able to assess in real terms, if indeed Gordon is banned for 16.

ETA: drawing Gordon's resolution as far out as possible will mitigate this comparison. I fully acknowledge that.
Cool. So which publication do you think will run with them? SI? Washington Post?
Websites and publications read by women. "Meaningful source" is relative to the demographic.

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."

Neither of these headlines is fair, or tells even close to the full story. But you better believe they will come because they'll generate clicks and chatter.

I bet if Goodell could go back, he'd suspend Rice for six games. But that's spilled milk. What he does have control over still, is Gordon's case and the PR ramification therein.

You guys can disagree, and I certainly welcome and respect that, but I haven't heard anything yet about this particular angle to change my thinking. Does this mean Gordon won't get 16 games? Not necessarily. But I do think it's weighing on Goodell and the league brass. Unfortunately for the sake of this debate, we'll never know how much.
What about the Headline: Gordon tests positive 3 times in college...Gordon tests positive 3 times in a 1yr and a half in the pros...Gordon friend busted for possession while riding in Gordons car, Gordon arrested for DUI......Goodell goes light on Gordons suspension 8 games......That won't look bad in the headlines?
Not nearly as bad as the headlines above. Not to mention... didn't he only test positive once in college? From what I understand, there were two incidents. One, where him and Willie Jefferson were found passed out at a Taco Bell and there was weed found in Jefferson's car. Gordon was suspended a few games for it and Jefferson was booted from the team. That was Oct 2010, then in July 2011 he was suspended for failing a drug test, testing positive for weed. So he actually only tested positive once in college.

Since entering the pros I believe he's only technically tested positive twice? Once prior to last season which netted him the 2 game suspension. Then once again coming into this season which is the situation we're currently discussing now. On July 5th though, he was pulled over in NC for a DWI and it was reported he had a BAC of 0.09 which is a) not pot and b) really unlucky. You could throw a 0.09 after two beers, which is something most people would agree, is usually pretty safe to drive under. The legal limit in NC is 0.08 so he literally once again just barely tested positive.

These two occurrences of trouble this year are interesting. Cause honestly, I think he has more bad luck than he has stupidity. He barely tests positive for marijuana in his system and on the confirmation test actually tests negative. Then, he gets pulled over and blows literally 1 point above the legal limit, which while still 'illegal' is just stupid bad luck. At 0.09 it's highly unlikely he was doing anything to deserve to be pulled over, .09 isn't even really that impaired (which is why it's the legal limit) for most people. He was speeding a bit and that's what led to him being pulled over and the cop was probably being a ### and decided to test his BAC too because it was nighttime.

All in all, yes, he's had some drug problems in his past. But don't take 3 failed tests and just double it into 6 with no proof.
Add in the three failed tests Gordon had in college, he's failed at least five drug tests since 2010.

http://www.behindthesteelcurtain.com/2013/6/9/4411472/josh-gordon-suspension-failed-drug-tests-codeine

 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.

IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."
Neither of those will be headlines from a meaningful source.
I disagree. At least that part of this we'll be able to assess in real terms, if indeed Gordon is banned for 16.

ETA: drawing Gordon's resolution as far out as possible will mitigate this comparison. I fully acknowledge that.
Cool. So which publication do you think will run with them? SI? Washington Post?
Websites and publications read by women. "Meaningful source" is relative to the demographic.
So... Redbook?

 
After all those ORLANDO SCANDRICK GOT FOUR GAMES AND RAY RICE ONLY GOT TWO GAMES headlines I'm sure the league is quaking in fear of what the arbitrator will do.

 
Ditka writes:

"What about the Headline: Gordon tests positive 3 times in college...Gordon tests positive 3 times in a 1yr and a half in the pros...Gordon friend busted for possession while riding in Gordons car, Gordon arrested for DUI......Goodell goes light on Gordons suspension 8 games......That won't look bad in the headlines?"

Problem with that is, it's not a headline, nor will it ever be.

The only headline will be, "Gordon wins appeal"!

 
After all those ORLANDO SCANDRICK GOT FOUR GAMES AND RAY RICE ONLY GOT TWO GAMES headlines I'm sure the league is quaking in fear of what the arbitrator will do.
No offense, but you would make a terrible marketer if you think your headline is the same as the ones I listed.

 
Ditka writes:

"What about the Headline: Gordon tests positive 3 times in college...Gordon tests positive 3 times in a 1yr and a half in the pros...Gordon friend busted for possession while riding in Gordons car, Gordon arrested for DUI......Goodell goes light on Gordons suspension 8 games......That won't look bad in the headlines?"

Problem with that is, it's not a headline, nor will it ever be.

The only headline will be, "Gordon wins appeal"!
:towelwave: :rolleyes:

 
After all those ORLANDO SCANDRICK GOT FOUR GAMES AND RAY RICE ONLY GOT TWO GAMES headlines I'm sure the league is quaking in fear of what the arbitrator will do.
No offense, but you would make a terrible marketer if you think your headline is the same as the ones I listed.
They have the exactly the same impact on the NFL's decision.

 
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Ditka writes:

"What about the Headline: Gordon tests positive 3 times in college...Gordon tests positive 3 times in a 1yr and a half in the pros...Gordon friend busted for possession while riding in Gordons car, Gordon arrested for DUI......Goodell goes light on Gordons suspension 8 games......That won't look bad in the headlines?"

Problem with that is, it's not a headline, nor will it ever be.

The only headline will be, "Gordon wins appeal"!
:towelwave: :rolleyes:
Hey kids get real good at sports and then you can do whatever illegal drugs you choose and break rules you agreed to and not have any repercussions.

 
Ditka writes:

"What about the Headline: Gordon tests positive 3 times in college...Gordon tests positive 3 times in a 1yr and a half in the pros...Gordon friend busted for possession while riding in Gordons car, Gordon arrested for DUI......Goodell goes light on Gordons suspension 8 games......That won't look bad in the headlines?"

Problem with that is, it's not a headline, nor will it ever be.

The only headline will be, "Gordon wins appeal"!
:towelwave: :rolleyes:
Hey kids get real good at sports and then you can do whatever illegal drugs you choose and break rules you agreed to and not have any repercussions.
Just as I think the Rice suspension will have no bearing on the Gordon decision, I seriously doubt that there is any belief on the part of the NFL that leniency for Gordon will promote drug use among children.

 
From TC this morning

Daryl Ruiter ‏@RuiterWrongFAN 30m

#Browns owner Jimmy Haslam having long convo w/ WR Josh Gordon; longest I've seen Haslam talk to a player http://instagram.com/p/ro-3L7GYjW/
Would like to see more photos there. Haslam doesn't look very happy in that one.

How (funny/sad/predictable/awful) would it be if Gordon got popped again while this appeal is playing out?
He did; the failed drug test news leaked in May. On July 5th, he was arrested for driving while impaired in North Carolina. You don't think that comes into play for Goddell or whoever the arbitrator is, when they make their decision on the matter?

"So Josh; you were already on double secret probation for all your failed drug tests and with the latests results, the agreed to suspension (NFL/NFLPA) is one year. However, you're really good, so we're going to make an exception in this case and give you less than a year. Oh wait; you got arrested for driving while impaired about a month ago. Hmm... don't worry about that; it's all good.
...and full circle for about the 100th time.
Lord have mercy

 
The arbitrator is only deciding on the matter of the failed drug test. The points we assume were made by the defense are 1)2nd hand smoke defense, 2)discrepancy between the 2 samples. By my thinking, if the arbitrator buys the 2nd defense that the discrepancy between the 2 samples invalidates, or seriously brings into question the validity of the test, especially since one was just barely over the limit and the 2nd well under, then in my view it should be no suspension based on the fact that it's either a valid test and he failed, or it's not a valid test and he gets a pass. I don't see how there can sensibly be any compromise there resulting in a reduced suspension. That's based solely on the 'test' portion of the case.

The 1st defense, second hand smoke, I can see where there might be a compromise because it can't really be proven or disproven so maybe you could split the difference.

 
Ditka writes:

"What about the Headline: Gordon tests positive 3 times in college...Gordon tests positive 3 times in a 1yr and a half in the pros...Gordon friend busted for possession while riding in Gordons car, Gordon arrested for DUI......Goodell goes light on Gordons suspension 8 games......That won't look bad in the headlines?"

Problem with that is, it's not a headline, nor will it ever be.

The only headline will be, "Gordon wins appeal"!
:towelwave: :rolleyes:
Hey kids get real good at sports anything and then you can do whatever illegal drugs you choose and break rules you agreed to and not have any repercussions.
 
The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.
This argument is flawed.IF (huge if) the league were willing to do "something" to expand their fanship of women, don't you think they would have come down more strenuously on women? Do you really believe women are going to go "how the hell could Ray Rice only get suspended 2 games for knocking out his fiancee? Oh, wait, the league didn't suspend Josh Gordon for failing a drug test, let's go buy some NFL merchandise!"
I've said it before, I'll say it again... These headlines are what Goodell and the league do not want to have to see and answer to:

"NFL suspends player 16 games for smoking pot, weeks after suspending another player 2 games for beating fiancee."

"NFL cares more about pot smoking than violence against women."
Neither of those will be headlines from a meaningful source.
I disagree. At least that part of this we'll be able to assess in real terms, if indeed Gordon is banned for 16.

ETA: drawing Gordon's resolution as far out as possible will mitigate this comparison. I fully acknowledge that.
Cool. So which publication do you think will run with them? SI? Washington Post?
No no... He said meaningful sources... #paperburn (see what I did there) :-)

Also these sources have to be something ladies will read... That limits you to Facebook, Instagram, or Blogs about Cats

 
this is a phenomenal thread.

will be 10000x more entertaining when he gets off and the forum republicans discuss how kids are going to start getting high and going to work in droves because of the nfl ruling

 
Just a hunch but with some of these rumors about the NFL changing policy on domestic violence to come down harsher on it (see mark maske twitter) I worry there's little hope for anything less than 16 game ban.

 
Just a hunch but with some of these rumors about the NFL changing policy on domestic violence to come down harsher on it (see mark maske twitter) I worry there's little hope for anything less than 16 game ban.
Just read an article on the policy changes for domestic violence. The timing is most suspicious... just after Rice getting a "slap on the wrist 2-game penalty" and just before the Gordon decision. It feels like a hedge, almost like "don't be mad that Gordon got 16 games and Rice got 2, since we are already talking about increasing the punishment".

 
Just a hunch but with some of these rumors about the NFL changing policy on domestic violence to come down harsher on it (see mark maske twitter) I worry there's little hope for anything less than 16 game ban.
Also see rotoworld... Yeah gotta think they are still working something out... I feel less confident today about less than 16 games than I felt earlier this wk

 
Hey kids get real good at sports and then you can do whatever illegal drugs you choose and break rules you agreed to and not have any repercussions.
Or they could occasionally smoke weed in their off time and continue to go about their business in 99% of workplaces in America. It's pretty silly to apply any moral standard to kids based on the consequences of mildly bad behavior facing celebrities. Especially considering those children will grow up in a country that will be legalizing the drug in question state by state during their lifetime thereby making early 21st century discussion (such as this entire thread) as humorous as doctors promoting cigarettes as a remedy for sore throats in the 20's & 30s.

 
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Regardless of what happens to Gordon, I hope they change the rules before DGB enters the league next year.

 
this is a phenomenal thread.

will be 10000x more entertaining when he gets off and the forum republicans discuss how kids are going to start getting high and going to work in droves because of the nfl ruling
Can't see JG getting off unless its a situation where he gets re-instated early for good behavior. Otherwise he's done for the year for sure. Too many transgressions on his record to turn the other cheek on this one. I don't think the Rice suspension has any bearing when you consider JG is a multiple time offender and hasn't learned his lesson despite being warned time and again

My best guess is he's gone for the year

 
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