WR Josh Gordon, KC (2 Viewers)

[Andrew74]

Just a hunch but with some of these rumors about the NFL changing policy on domestic violence to come down harsher on it (see mark maske twitter) I worry there's little hope for anything less than 16 game ban.

Just read an article on the policy changes for domestic violence. The timing is most suspicious... just after Rice getting a "slap on the wrist 2-game penalty" and just before the Gordon decision. It feels like a hedge, almost like "don't be mad that Gordon got 16 games and Rice got 2, since we are already talking about increasing the punishment".

Setting up for the hammer stroke...

 

[georg013]

Ok. Here goes. I have pretty much leaned Soulfly through this whole ordeal. However, today's events have me thinking Josh Gordon is going down for the entire 16. The blurb about adjusting the domestic violence policy and this:

For whatever it's worth, owner Jimmy Haslam had a lengthy talk with Gordon prior to the start of practice. The owner will occasionally greet players on days he watches, but the timeframe on this discussion qualified it as a lengthy 10 minutes. Photos, too, seemed to show Haslam was speaking with a stern look on his face. Haslam later went and spent a good 20 minutes with coach Mike Pettine, then stalked GM Ray Farmer to talk to him for 10 and then found team president Alec Scheiner for another 10. Nobody knows the topic of discussion, and it all may mean nothing, but none of this was typical. “Just talking about the crazy Cleveland weather,” Pettine said.

It all leads me to believe it's all but over for Josh Gordon in 2014. The writing is on the wall. The team has been informed. Gordon will NOT play in 2014/2015. Start making contingency plans. Announcement should be made tomorrow.

 

[PatsWillWin]

The league is always trying to find new avenues for growth. One of their initiatives right now is trying to expand the fanship of women. I highly doubt the media comparing two games for wife beating versus sixteen for bong ripping isn't weighing on them. At minimum, it helps to explain why they're dragging their feet on the Gordon resolution. Farther away from the Rice story, the better.

Okay Colombo, so why'd they only give Rice 2 games?

 

[Soulfly3]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

'Tis but a flesh wound.

 

[georg013]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

Thanks. I was hoping you would be able to spin this is in a positive manner for me. Back on your side man!

 

[Soulfly3]

Seriously tho... If Haslam was made aware Gordon's appeal failed, he'd be off the field immediately.

They don't get to leave him w the team for ####s n giggles

 

[Soulfly3]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

Gordon is getting suspended for 16 games. You can twist the stories to fit your hope all you want. It was an uphill battle to begin with for him, and it is about to be over. Sorry, but your pothead hero broke the rules one too many times

Thanks, Roger

 

[Soulfly3]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

Gordon is getting suspended for 16 games. You can twist the stories to fit your hope all you want. It was an uphill battle to begin with for him, and it is about to be over. Sorry, but your pothead hero broke the rules one too many times

Thanks, Roger

 

[Bayhawks]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

I don't think the conversation indicates the Browns know Gordon is done for the year, but using your "logic," why didn't Gordon practice today, after returning to the field yesterday? You would think if they had found out he got off, he would have practiced, right?

 

[Soulfly3]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

I don't think the conversation indicates the Browns know Gordon is done for the year, but using your "logic," why didn't Gordon practice today, after returning to the field yesterday? You would think if they had found out he got off, he would have practiced, right?

Gordon practiced yesterday?

Really?

 

[Soulfly3]

Let me get this straight... I twist stories to fit my agenda....

Yet somehow the NFL getting tough on Domestic Violence means Gordon is getting 16 games.

You guys kill me... the amount of hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Literally, astounding.

 

[MAC_32]

Is thread is still a thing?

 

[PatsWillWin]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

Pretty much the only way to read it.

 

[squistion]

Seriously tho... If Haslam was made aware Gordon's appeal failed, he'd be off the field immediately.

They don't get to leave him w the team for ####s n giggles

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

 

[Soulfly3]

Seriously tho... If Haslam was made aware Gordon's appeal failed, he'd be off the field immediately.

They don't get to leave him w the team for ####s n giggles

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

what?

 

[georg013]

This has been one hell of a ride. Whats going to happen when its all said and done? Will this thread have the legs to continue or will we all move on to the next topic? I earned my first suspension in this thread so it means more to me than the rest. Special shout out to Soulfly and Bazinga and everyone else who have added lighter fuel to this fire! I wear my 1 warning point with pride! That week of not posting was brutal!

 

[Soulfly3]

This has been one hell of a ride. Whats going to happen when its all said and done? Will this thread have the legs to continue or will we all move on to the next topic? I earned my first suspension in this thread so it means more to me than the rest. Special shout out to Soulfly and Bazinga and everyone else who have added lighter fuel to this fire!

I got 3 suspensions from this thread lol

ya Im at 3 too, I think.

 

[Bayhawks]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

I don't think the conversation indicates the Browns know Gordon is done for the year, but using your "logic," why didn't Gordon practice today, after returning to the field yesterday? You would think if they had found out he got off, he would have practiced, right?

Gordon practiced yesterday?

Really?

According to this, he did.

Gordon returned to practice Tuesday despite abdominal discomfort, but missed his second practice in three days Wednesday.

 

[georg013]

This has been one hell of a ride. Whats going to happen when its all said and done? Will this thread have the legs to continue or will we all move on to the next topic? I earned my first suspension in this thread so it means more to me than the rest. Special shout out to Soulfly and Bazinga and everyone else who have added lighter fuel to this fire!

I got 3 suspensions from this thread lol

 

[squistion]

Seriously tho... If Haslam was made aware Gordon's appeal failed, he'd be off the field immediately.

They don't get to leave him w the team for ####s n giggles

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

what?

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

 

[Bayhawks]

Let me get this straight... I twist stories to fit my agenda....

Yet somehow the NFL getting tough on Domestic Violence means Gordon is getting 16 games.

You guys kill me... the amount of hypocrisy in this thread is astounding. Literally, astounding.

No, Josh Gordon being in stage 3 of the NFL's substance abuse policy and being unable to stay away from weed means Gordon might be getting 16 games. The NFL "getting tough" (I'll believe it when it actually happens) on domestic violence is just a coincidence.

 

[amnesiac]

Is thread is still a thing?

approximately 60 pages and we still don't know a thing. hopefully soon.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

this isnt going to end well......

 

[Soulfly3]

Seriously tho... If Haslam was made aware Gordon's appeal failed, he'd be off the field immediately.

They don't get to leave him w the team for ####s n giggles

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

what?

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

I still have no idea what your point is. Clarify yourself instead of re-quoting yourself.

If Haslam was told Gordon was suspended, appeal failed - Gordon HAS TO LEAVE THE PREMISES.

 

[Soulfly3]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

I don't think the conversation indicates the Browns know Gordon is done for the year, but using your "logic," why didn't Gordon practice today, after returning to the field yesterday? You would think if they had found out he got off, he would have practiced, right?

Gordon practiced yesterday?

Really?

According to this, he did.

Gordon returned to practice Tuesday despite abdominal discomfort, but missed his second practice in three days Wednesday.

You got a bad source, and I wont knock you for it. I watch Browns TC and he did not practice..

also, from yesterday:

Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN · 2mLB Darius Eubanks, WR Josh Gordon, WR Nate Burleson, DL Desmond Bryant not practicing today #Browns

 

[squistion]

Seriously tho... If Haslam was made aware Gordon's appeal failed, he'd be off the field immediately.

They don't get to leave him w the team for ####s n giggles

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

what?

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

I still have no idea what your point is. Clarify yourself instead of re-quoting yourself.

If Haslam was told Gordon was suspended, appeal failed - Gordon HAS TO LEAVE THE PREMISES.

Oh, my bad, I must have missed the official NFL announcement.

 

[amnesiac]

Seriously tho... If Haslam was made aware Gordon's appeal failed, he'd be off the field immediately.

They don't get to leave him w the team for ####s n giggles

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

what?

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

I still have no idea what your point is. Clarify yourself instead of re-quoting yourself.

If Haslam was told Gordon was suspended, appeal failed - Gordon HAS TO LEAVE THE PREMISES.

not if the league hasn't announced it yetnot saying the Browns were informed. that's just more speculation.

 

[Soulfly3]

Oh, my bad, I must have missed the official NFL announcement.

Listen, I have NO idea what your point is, or what you're trying to prove/say....

So, let's just leave it alone...

 

[Bayhawks]

So Haslam went to tell Gordon he got off, but it's his final shot before he gets a year and is cut.

Hence the stern talking to.

He wouldn't tell Gordon on the field he's done for the year, nor would Gordon remain out there for the entirety of the practice

I don't think the conversation indicates the Browns know Gordon is done for the year, but using your "logic," why didn't Gordon practice today, after returning to the field yesterday? You would think if they had found out he got off, he would have practiced, right?

Gordon practiced yesterday?

Really?

According to this, he did.

Gordon returned to practice Tuesday despite abdominal discomfort, but missed his second practice in three days Wednesday.

You got a bad source, and I wont knock you for it. I watch Browns TC and he did not practice..

also, from yesterday:

Daryl Ruiter @RuiterWrongFAN · 2mLB Darius Eubanks, WR Josh Gordon, WR Nate Burleson, DL Desmond Bryant not practicing today #Browns

Okay, obviously I was wrong.

I still don't think the Browns know either way how Gordon's appeal will go. If he was successful, I doubt it wouldn't be made public knowledge by someone (his agent, his lawyers, the NFL, the Browns, Gordon, a cousin, etc). If the appeal was unsuccessful, as you correctly pointed out, Gordon wouldn't have been allowed to remain at the Browns practice.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Seriously tho... If Haslam was made aware Gordon's appeal failed, he'd be off the field immediately.

They don't get to leave him w the team for ####s n giggles

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

what?

Oh yes, he would never say a word to one of the star players of his franchise - doesn't owe him that courtesy, does he?

I still have no idea what your point is. Clarify yourself instead of re-quoting yourself.

If Haslam was told Gordon was suspended, appeal failed - Gordon HAS TO LEAVE THE PREMISES.

Why point out facts when we can have conjecture?!

 

[Soulfly3]

Okay, obviously I was wrong.


I still don't think the Browns know either way how Gordon's appeal will go. If he was successful, I doubt it wouldn't be made public knowledge by someone (his agent, his lawyers, the NFL, the Browns, Gordon, a cousin, etc). If the appeal was unsuccessful, as you correctly pointed out, Gordon wouldn't have been allowed to remain at the Browns practice.

I think we have a gross miscommunication here... I thought I was being obvious with my tongue in cheek comment about Haslam going to Gordon to tell him his appeal was successful .

I was making an equally ridiculous assertion to the statements that Haslam was telling him his appeal failed.

Which is why I made the point, if Haslam was told by the NFL that the appeal failed - Gordon would have to leave the premises immediately.. which you agreed with.

 

[squistion]

Oh, my bad, I must have missed the official NFL announcement.

Listen, I have NO idea what your point is, or what you're trying to prove/say....

So, let's just leave it alone...

OK, let me try to explain this. The owner is told privately (or has inside sources) of what the ruling of the NFL is prior to any official announcement. And he shares that with Gordon (giving him a heads up because he is a star player of that franchise).

Does that help?

 

[Soulfly3]

Oh, my bad, I must have missed the official NFL announcement.

Listen, I have NO idea what your point is, or what you're trying to prove/say....

So, let's just leave it alone...

OK, let me try to explain this. The owner is told privately (or has inside sources) of what the ruling of the NFL is prior to any official announcement. And he shares that with Gordon (giving him a heads up because he is a star player of that franchise).

Does that help?

Yes, that was clear.

And if you believe that to be the case, that's fine... I dont think he'd do that on the field - Feel like that'd be more of an official meeting w the coaching staff type thing.

But who knows.

 

[Bayhawks]

Okay, obviously I was wrong.


I still don't think the Browns know either way how Gordon's appeal will go. If he was successful, I doubt it wouldn't be made public knowledge by someone (his agent, his lawyers, the NFL, the Browns, Gordon, a cousin, etc). If the appeal was unsuccessful, as you correctly pointed out, Gordon wouldn't have been allowed to remain at the Browns practice.

I think we have a gross miscommunication here... I thought I was being obvious with my tongue in cheek comment about Haslam going to Gordon to tell him his appeal was successful .

I was making an equally ridiculous assertion to the statements that Haslam was telling him his appeal failed.

Which is why I made the point, if Haslam was told by the NFL that the appeal failed - Gordon would have to leave the premises immediately.. which you agreed with.

I'm not sure there is a gross miscommunication. It was not obvious (at least not to me) that your comment was tongue in cheek, especially when you consider some of your other "out there" comments in this thread.

I never thought the conversation was Haslam telling Gordon his appeal had failed; I believe I posted that in my first post on this topic.

And, yes, I agreed with your point about Gordon having to leave if his appeal had failed, because it was 100% correct.

 

[slackjawedyokel]

Listen, all I know at this point is that the hydroponic farmers in Mendocino would be geniuses to name a new strain "4-Finger Gordon".

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Oh, my bad, I must have missed the official NFL announcement.

Listen, I have NO idea what your point is, or what you're trying to prove/say....

So, let's just leave it alone...

OK, let me try to explain this. The owner is told privately (or has inside sources) of what the ruling of the NFL is prior to any official announcement. And he shares that with Gordon (giving him a heads up because he is a star player of that franchise).

Does that help?

Wrong. They've been talking and hugging it out weekly. Also chatting with him about the new support system they are setting up:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/08/cleveland_browns_helping_josh.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

 

[Bayhawks]

Oh, my bad, I must have missed the official NFL announcement.

Listen, I have NO idea what your point is, or what you're trying to prove/say....

So, let's just leave it alone...

OK, let me try to explain this. The owner is told privately (or has inside sources) of what the ruling of the NFL is prior to any official announcement. And he shares that with Gordon (giving him a heads up because he is a star player of that franchise).

Does that help?

I understand what you are saying, but I think that's highly unlikely.

If Haslam got some inside information, you would think he'd either keep it to himself until it was made public, or he'd have that conversation with Gordon in private, not at the beginning of practice, in front of fans, reporters, and probably TV cameras.

 

[Soulfly3]

Okay, obviously I was wrong.


I still don't think the Browns know either way how Gordon's appeal will go. If he was successful, I doubt it wouldn't be made public knowledge by someone (his agent, his lawyers, the NFL, the Browns, Gordon, a cousin, etc). If the appeal was unsuccessful, as you correctly pointed out, Gordon wouldn't have been allowed to remain at the Browns practice.

I think we have a gross miscommunication here... I thought I was being obvious with my tongue in cheek comment about Haslam going to Gordon to tell him his appeal was successful .

I was making an equally ridiculous assertion to the statements that Haslam was telling him his appeal failed.

Which is why I made the point, if Haslam was told by the NFL that the appeal failed - Gordon would have to leave the premises immediately.. which you agreed with.

I'm not sure there is a gross miscommunication. It was not obvious (at least not to me) that your comment was tongue in cheek, especially when you consider some of your other "out there" comments in this thread.

I never thought the conversation was Haslam telling Gordon his appeal had failed; I believe I posted that in my first post on this topic.

And, yes, I agreed with your point about Gordon having to leave if his appeal had failed, because it was 100% correct.

I never singled you out and said you did.

There are others in this thread that have made that exact statement.

 

[Soulfly3]

Oh, my bad, I must have missed the official NFL announcement.

Listen, I have NO idea what your point is, or what you're trying to prove/say....

So, let's just leave it alone...

OK, let me try to explain this. The owner is told privately (or has inside sources) of what the ruling of the NFL is prior to any official announcement. And he shares that with Gordon (giving him a heads up because he is a star player of that franchise).

Does that help?

I understand what you are saying, but I think that's highly unlikely.

If Haslam got some inside information, you would think he'd either keep it to himself until it was made public, or he'd have that conversation with Gordon in private, not at the beginning of practice, in front of fans, reporters, and probably TV cameras.

oof, that awkward moment when Bayhawks and I have the exact same sentiments on the topic of Gordon

 

[Bayhawks]

Okay, obviously I was wrong.


I still don't think the Browns know either way how Gordon's appeal will go. If he was successful, I doubt it wouldn't be made public knowledge by someone (his agent, his lawyers, the NFL, the Browns, Gordon, a cousin, etc). If the appeal was unsuccessful, as you correctly pointed out, Gordon wouldn't have been allowed to remain at the Browns practice.

I think we have a gross miscommunication here... I thought I was being obvious with my tongue in cheek comment about Haslam going to Gordon to tell him his appeal was successful .

I was making an equally ridiculous assertion to the statements that Haslam was telling him his appeal failed.

Which is why I made the point, if Haslam was told by the NFL that the appeal failed - Gordon would have to leave the premises immediately.. which you agreed with.

I'm not sure there is a gross miscommunication. It was not obvious (at least not to me) that your comment was tongue in cheek, especially when you consider some of your other "out there" comments in this thread.

I never thought the conversation was Haslam telling Gordon his appeal had failed; I believe I posted that in my first post on this topic.

And, yes, I agreed with your point about Gordon having to leave if his appeal had failed, because it was 100% correct.

I never singled you out and said you did.

There are others in this thread that have made that exact statement.

I get that, but then what was our "gross miscommunication?"

 

[squistion]

Oh, my bad, I must have missed the official NFL announcement.

Listen, I have NO idea what your point is, or what you're trying to prove/say....

So, let's just leave it alone...

OK, let me try to explain this. The owner is told privately (or has inside sources) of what the ruling of the NFL is prior to any official announcement. And he shares that with Gordon (giving him a heads up because he is a star player of that franchise).

Does that help?

Wrong. They've been talking and hugging it out weekly. Also chatting with him about the new support system they are setting up:

http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/08/cleveland_browns_helping_josh.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

From page 121 if you bothered to read it (note the part that none of this was typical).

Ok. Here goes. I have pretty much leaned Soulfly through this whole ordeal. However, today's events have me thinking Josh Gordon is going down for the entire 16. The blurb about adjusting the domestic violence policy and this:

For whatever it's worth, owner Jimmy Haslam had a lengthy talk with Gordon prior to the start of practice. The owner will occasionally greet players on days he watches, but the timeframe on this discussion qualified it as a lengthy 10 minutes. Photos, too, seemed to show Haslam was speaking with a stern look on his face. Haslam later went and spent a good 20 minutes with coach Mike Pettine, then stalked GM Ray Farmer to talk to him for 10 and then found team president Alec Scheiner for another 10. Nobody knows the topic of discussion, and it all may mean nothing, but none of this was typical. “Just talking about the crazy Cleveland weather,” Pettine said.

It all leads me to believe it's all but over for Josh Gordon in 2014. The writing is on the wall. The team has been informed. Gordon will NOT play in 2014/2015. Start making contingency plans. Announcement should be made tomorrow.

 

[Soulfly3]

I get that, but then what was our "gross miscommunication?"

That you believed my tongue in cheek statement was made in a serious manner.

Which is why I clarified that with you asap.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Oh, my bad, I must have missed the official NFL announcement.

Listen, I have NO idea what your point is, or what you're trying to prove/say....

So, let's just leave it alone...

OK, let me try to explain this. The owner is told privately (or has inside sources) of what the ruling of the NFL is prior to any official announcement. And he shares that with Gordon (giving him a heads up because he is a star player of that franchise).

Does that help?

Wrong. They've been talking and hugging it out weekly. Also chatting with him about the new support system they are setting up:http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2014/08/cleveland_browns_helping_josh.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

From page 121 if you bothered to read it (note the part that none of this was typical).

Ok. Here goes. I have pretty much leaned Soulfly through this whole ordeal. However, today's events have me thinking Josh Gordon is going down for the entire 16. The blurb about adjusting the domestic violence policy and this:

For whatever it's worth, owner Jimmy Haslam had a lengthy talk with Gordon prior to the start of practice. The owner will occasionally greet players on days he watches, but the timeframe on this discussion qualified it as a lengthy 10 minutes. Photos, too, seemed to show Haslam was speaking with a stern look on his face. Haslam later went and spent a good 20 minutes with coach Mike Pettine, then stalked GM Ray Farmer to talk to him for 10 and then found team president Alec Scheiner for another 10. Nobody knows the topic of discussion, and it all may mean nothing, but none of this was typical. Just talking about the crazy Cleveland weather, Pettine said.

It all leads me to believe it's all but over for Josh Gordon in 2014. The writing is on the wall. The team has been informed. Gordon will NOT play in 2014/2015. Start making contingency plans. Announcement should be made tomorrow.

I take it you didn't read that. They've been standing and talking MULTIPLE times throughout camp. Even hugging on occasion."In what has been a weekly sight at camp". Sounds typical to me...

 

[NJ]

I apologize if this has been asked/discussed already, but I don't feel like wading through 60 pages of bickering to find the answer.

Assuming Gordon were to lose the appeal, can he still file a lawsuit and seek an injunction to allow him to play until the lawsuit is settled similar to the Williams in the Starcaps case? Or is there something fundamentally different here that would not allow that to happen?

Unless I'm missing something, looking at the timeline in that case, they were suspended in Sept 2008, appealed, lost the appeal, got a restraining order allowing them to play, filed a lawsuit in Feb 2009, there was a trial in March of 2010, ruling in May 2010, filed another appeal, finally lost that appeal in Feb 2011 and served the suspension in Sept 2011, a full 3 years later.

So is it still possible that Gordon's lawyers can work the system so he can play this year even if he loses this particular appeal? I think at some point he'll lose and serve the suspension, but is it a guarantee he would have to serve it in 2014? If not he's a steal in redrafts, but I'm guessing I'm missing something as its obviously reflected in his ADP that people are not expecting him to play this year.

 

[mvereb]

I apologize if this has been asked/discussed already, but I don't feel like wading through 60 pages of bickering to find the answer.

Assuming Gordon were to lose the appeal, can he still file a lawsuit and seek an injunction to allow him to play until the lawsuit is settled similar to the Williams in the Starcaps case? Or is there something fundamentally different here that would not allow that to happen?

Unless I'm missing something, looking at the timeline in that case, they were suspended in Sept 2008, appealed, lost the appeal, got a restraining order allowing them to play, filed a lawsuit in Feb 2009, there was a trial in March of 2010, ruling in May 2010, filed another appeal, finally lost that appeal in Feb 2011 and served the suspension in Sept 2011, a full 3 years later.

So is it still possible that Gordon's lawyers can work the system so he can play this year even if he loses this particular appeal? I think at some point he'll lose and serve the suspension, but is it a guarantee he would have to serve it in 2014? If not he's a steal in redrafts, but I'm guessing I'm missing something as its obviously reflected in his ADP that people are not expecting him to play this year.

Here's one article that may/may not have been posted in this thread.

http://fieldandcourt.com/teams/afc-north/item/246-what-to-expect-if-josh-gordon-loses-his-appeal.html

 

[damageinc]

Looks like was held out of practice today.

Gordon (suspension) was not on the practice field Wednesday, ESPN Cleveland reports.
Gordon returned to practice Tuesday despite abdominal discomfort, but missed his second practice in three days Wednesday. The abdominal injury remains the least of his worries, however, as a ruling on his potential season-long suspension is set to be handed down by the league at some point this week or next. In the meantime, Travis Benjamin has excelled on the practice field in Gordon's absence, and could be one of the candidates to see increased reps while he serves his suspension.

 

[Soulfly3]

Looks like was held out of practice today.



Gordon (suspension) was not on the practice field Wednesday, ESPN Cleveland reports.



Gordon returned to practice Tuesday despite abdominal discomfort, but missed his second practice in three days Wednesday. The abdominal injury remains the least of his worries, however, as a ruling on his potential season-long suspension is set to be handed down by the league at some point this week or next. In the meantime, Travis Benjamin has excelled on the practice field in Gordon's absence, and could be one of the candidates to see increased reps while he serves his suspension.

He has NOT practiced since their first preseason game

This report is incorrect.

 

[NJ]

Here's one article that may/may not have been posted in this thread.

http://fieldandcourt.com/teams/afc-north/item/246-what-to-expect-if-josh-gordon-loses-his-appeal.html

Thanks, so from a redraft perspective, it almost seems like it comes down to whether or not you believe he has enough of a case to get a temporary restraining order rather than if you think he will win the appeal. TRO seems easier to get than winning the appeal. Obviously if you own him in a Dynasty you want him to win the appeal, but if we're talking 2014 only, do you really care if it gets dragged through the courts for 2 years and eventually he serves the suspension in 2015 or 2016 while in the meantime you can get a top 5 WR for 2014 with a mid/late round pick?

 

[mvereb]

Here's one article that may/may not have been posted in this thread.

http://fieldandcourt.com/teams/afc-north/item/246-what-to-expect-if-josh-gordon-loses-his-appeal.html

Thanks, so from a redraft perspective, it almost seems like it comes down to whether or not you believe he has enough of a case to get a temporary restraining order rather than if you think he will win the appeal. TRO seems easier to get than winning the appeal. Obviously if you own him in a Dynasty you want him to win the appeal, but if we're talking 2014 only, do you really care if it gets dragged through the courts for 2 years and eventually he serves the suspension in 2015 or 2016 while in the meantime you can get a top 5 WR for 2014 with a mid/late round pick?

Exactly. That's been my thinking thus far. I've been completing 'slow drafts' for the last few months and once news broke about a possible suspension, Gordon's price fell from a Top 15 pick to basically undrafted in 12-team, 22-player rosters. It's started to creep back up into the 10th-12th rounds, which is still a great value, IMO. I have a lot of Gordon shares, but haven't paid more than a 10th round price. He's a WR4 or WR5 on most teams when I go into drafts knowing I need to roster seven or eight WRs. The upside is massive when the price/risk is small. Fantasy championships are won by drafting guys that can massively outperform their ADP. Gordon can be that guy this year.

Also, let's not forget who Gordon's agent is. Drew Rosenhaus ultimately has one motive and that's getting Gordon to free agency. He'll do whatever it takes to make sure he plays this season and for the legal reasons mentioned in the article above, I don't see any reason why he won't. It won't be a deathblow to his 2014 redraft value if the NFL announces his appeal was unsuccessful. Expect further legal action and for this to drag out in court. Neither side comes out looking bad right now if this is tied up in court a la the Williams's court case.