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WR Josh Gordon, KC (11 Viewers)
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msommer
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georg013
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ESPN's Adam Schefter reports the Josh Gordon verdict may not be handed down before the end of next week.
Gordon's appeal hearing with Harold Henderson reportedly contained a high volume of testimony and evidence from both sides, leading to this lengthy delay. In standard 12-team drafts, we would begin considering Gordon in the 10th and 11th rounds, although that's obviously a high-risk approach. He's going to be eligible for eight games in a best case scenario, and there remains a realistic chance Gordon won't take the field at all this season.
Gordon's appeal hearing with Harold Henderson reportedly contained a high volume of testimony and evidence from both sides, leading to this lengthy delay. In standard 12-team drafts, we would begin considering Gordon in the 10th and 11th rounds, although that's obviously a high-risk approach. He's going to be eligible for eight games in a best case scenario, and there remains a realistic chance Gordon won't take the field at all this season.
cstu
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No, that was just a once time thing when he met someone at a grocery store and liked his car.
msommer
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Soulfly3
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georg013
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Banger
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Isn't the best case an overturning of the suspension? I've heard it's all or none and now best case is 8 games?
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Peak
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No one knows anything and all we hear is what is being speculated. Then this group of blood thirsty sharks jump on the chum and tear it to shreds with the "I told you so" and "no you didn't" until we're bored and leave until the next morsel of chum hits the water and we start the whole process all over again.
The only one that may truly know what will happen is Goodell, and I'm not 100% certain he truly knows anything.
BustedKnuckles
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J.G should get 8 games just for being stupid
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Exactly. That's really all he has done. He conversely he should get to play 8 games because he might be a future NFL MVP.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Guess we can put that, "the owner talked to him for 10 minutes in public, and was caught frowning while doing so, which means he's gone for the season" theory to bed now?
Bronco Billy
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Great. So at least we can conclude emphatically that Schefter doesn't understand the transcript process.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program: the Professional Jump to Conclusions League game of the week.
Now back to your regularly scheduled program: the Professional Jump to Conclusions League game of the week.
Excuse me, but if the NFL starts suspending players for being stupid, it will quickly become unwatchable.
Soulfly3
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Soulfly3
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DISCUSSION
What are the chances that Rosenhaus and the NFLPA are, or will be shortly, arguing the length of time the decision on the appeal is taking?
Straight from the NFL agreement:
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This is for discussion only. I am not implying this is happening, but it's obviously an avenue they would take for an increased chance at success at some point.
What are the chances that Rosenhaus and the NFLPA are, or will be shortly, arguing the length of time the decision on the appeal is taking?
Straight from the NFL agreement:
We have NO idea what a "reasonable period" is... But I bet my balls that the NFLPA does, based on precedent.
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This is for discussion only. I am not implying this is happening, but it's obviously an avenue they would take for an increased chance at success at some point.
mquinnjr
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I took him in 10 last weekend happily, keeper format too for up to 3 years. If he isn't maxed out, I just hit the lottery. How many guys in round 10+ can you forecast that for? Do that all day, drop him if he gets 16 games.
ETA: My point being, anything near or around his current market value has high risk of failure. Just take him, these are the rounds where you're churning these guys between trips to the WW anyways, why not take someone with an absolute ton of talent that can win your league for you if he's around a few weeks before fantasy playoff time? It's a no-brainer. If he gets 16 games a week from now, no different than the rest of the guys you're drafting at his current market value anyways, just drop him to the WW.
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Coeur de Lion
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I'm not going to search, but I read somewhere that the appeal process typically has a 1 - 3 week timeframe. Again, no real urgency here for the team / league / anyone outside of Gordon owners in FF. What effect does a decision last Friday vs. next Friday have on anything? It's not like the team is missing out on good replacements either way. Whenever the decision is / was rendered, they're over the same barrel either way, since everything meaningful player / roster movement wise happened in March w/ FA and May w/ the draft. A few extra practice reps from Austin / Johnson / etc is the ONLY thing here that is effected by the timing of the decision.
Soulfly3
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You don't think a team knowing/not knowing if one of the league's top WRs will be at their disposal isn't that important?
The difference between knowing last week and this week is... ONE WEEK. One week they could be confident is drawing plays for their QBs w Gordon involved, or conversely, drawing plays WITHOUT him involved.
There is an insane dropoff from having an offense with Gordona and without. If this does go 1-3 weeks, as you implied, you dont think that has a MAJOR MAJOR effect on how a team prepares for Week 1 and beyond?
It's a near death sentence for the Browns. We dont have Tom Brady or Manning behind center. We have Hoyer and Manziel.
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Coeur de Lion
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I think that they're installing the same offense regardless -- it'll just be far more effective with Gordon obviously. The in game play calling will certainly change, but the foundational stuff, which is almost certainly what they're working on now, stays the same. And the Browns' 2014 "death sentence" occurred the minute that Gordon puffed a blunt this offseason, and has nothing at all to with when the final decision is rendered. No number of TC reps was going to turn Miles Austin or Charles Johnson into Josh Gordon.
You seem to be losing sight of the fact that this is all 100% absolutely Gordon's fault. He knew what the consequences would be when he smoked up, let a guy in his car with a sack, drove drunk, etc. The league has nothing whatsoever to do with the rough situation that the Browns are in right now.
The longer this goes on the more I think theres a chance of a reduced suspension. Just my thoughts and a hunch no fact involved. Might be a good thing for us drafting this weekend that a decision is not expected until next week. if you an grab him at pick 9 lets say you will make out if he gets no ban or 6-8 games.and if its 10-12 games ban then you break even I guess and just wait and if he is suspended the year you drop him. Hes your #3 wr so not a big issue that should cause major distress to your team in the long run. I draft monday and if no decision i am targeting round 9.
Franknbeans
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This was overdue
This was overdue
ROYALWITCHEESE
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In my opinion, a reasonable amount of time has already passed. The Browns need to know, because it affects their plan, prep, and outlook for the preseason and regular season.
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ROYALWITCHEESE
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Dwayne Bowe one game suspension for violation of substance abuse policy.
cstu
Footballguy
Even though I expect him to still get 16 games every day that goes by increasing his chances. It may be though that the judge doesn't want to make any mistakes in such a high profile case.
cstu
Footballguy
squistion
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It indicates who has been the most active in the thread, perhaps disproportionately driving the discussion, perhaps indicating an agenda or bias regarding the thread topic.
Catbird
Footballguy
Like anything, if you don't want to read it, don't. I find it interesting that you have posted more than twice as many comments as anyone else and 3 or 4 times as many as guys like Bracie, Ojaays, Bayhawks and Chaka, who have themselves been relentless Gordon posters. It also says something about having lots and lots of opinions, since we still know virtually nothing more about Gordon's situation than we did when the thread started. I also like the graphic presentation of the sheer number of opinions and comments this issue has generated.
From my experience with arbitrations, where the arbitrator is required to submit a written decision that addresses a long list of exhibits and several diverse arguments (including those which challenge the system itself) a couple or three weeks is well with in a 'reasonable period'. I would think that where that written decision is high profile and likely to be read in the national press, the arbitrator would have substantially more leeway in how quick is reasonable. Challenges to his choice of words in that decision will form the basis of any further legal action by Gordon and his attorneys. There are huge shortcuts to typing up a a transcript, but not so many for a guy reviewing and commenting on all the evidence presented and writing a watertight decision based on and addressing a complex set of issues.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
So, you're confirming it has nothing to do with Josh Gordon, which the mods have explicitly asked we refrain from in this thread?It indicates who has been the most active in the thread, perhaps disproportionately driving the discussion, perhaps indicating an agenda or bias regarding the thread topic.
Thanks.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I'm sure the Mods will appreciate your unwavering support of their demands from this thread.
Coeur de Lion
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No need to be so defensive. You've relentlessly hammered away in here with a pretty deliberately extreme position. I'm sure the pushback reactions are neither a surprise nor unwanted given your body of work in this thread.So, you're confirming it has nothing to do with Josh Gordon, which the mods have explicitly asked we refrain from in this thread?It indicates who has been the most active in the thread, perhaps disproportionately driving the discussion, perhaps indicating an agenda or bias regarding the thread topic.
Thanks.
cstu
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donkshow
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GregR
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I think trying to read too much out of the timing is probably over reaction. Other than maybe noting the longer it goes, the more time for talks between the NFL and Gordon on a settlement somewhere in between which is probably good for Gordon and good for the Browns.
Every team dealing with a suspension this time of year has been in the same situation. We the fans just don't usually know about it, know the exact timeline, or pay close attention to it if we do. The Dwayne Bowe situation is a perfect example.
Teams deal with worse uncertainty than this all the time in dealing with injuries let alone their own suspensions. Where it would be an impact to me is if it's not resolved before the start of the year as then it would span seasons if it is a 16 game suspension. I think the ruling will come before then. I don't think it will impact training camp next year for Gordon... the NFL can allow him to practice while handling his reinstatement, and I would expect that would be the case. Without digging up examples, I think that's been pretty much standard procedure for previous situations like that.
Every team dealing with a suspension this time of year has been in the same situation. We the fans just don't usually know about it, know the exact timeline, or pay close attention to it if we do. The Dwayne Bowe situation is a perfect example.
Teams deal with worse uncertainty than this all the time in dealing with injuries let alone their own suspensions. Where it would be an impact to me is if it's not resolved before the start of the year as then it would span seasons if it is a 16 game suspension. I think the ruling will come before then. I don't think it will impact training camp next year for Gordon... the NFL can allow him to practice while handling his reinstatement, and I would expect that would be the case. Without digging up examples, I think that's been pretty much standard procedure for previous situations like that.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I'm not being defensive at all. Simply making a claim.No need to be so defensive. You've relentlessly hammered away in here with a pretty deliberately extreme position. I'm sure the pushback reactions are neither a surprise nor unwanted given your body of work in this thread.So, you're confirming it has nothing to do with Josh Gordon, which the mods have explicitly asked we refrain from in this thread?It indicates who has been the most active in the thread, perhaps disproportionately driving the discussion, perhaps indicating an agenda or bias regarding the thread topic.
Thanks.
Posting something relating to post counts is NOT what the mods have asked for, over and over.
Ive learned the hard way to stay on topic.
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Ditka Butkus
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Hey soulfly it would be interesting to see you over in the FFA wading into some of those topics.....Why don't you start in the They are looting in Missouri one.I'm not being defensive at all. Simply making a claim.No need to be so defensive. You've relentlessly hammered away in here with a pretty deliberately extreme position. I'm sure the pushback reactions are neither a surprise nor unwanted given your body of work in this thread.So, you're confirming it has nothing to do with Josh Gordon, which the mods have explicitly asked we refrain from in this thread?It indicates who has been the most active in the thread, perhaps disproportionately driving the discussion, perhaps indicating an agenda or bias regarding the thread topic.
Thanks.
Posting something relating to post counts is NOT what the mods have asked for, over and over.
Ive learned the hard way to stay on topic.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Just one last comment then I will quit hijacking.....You would be like Godzilla taking Tokyo.....
I think this would be a reasonable cause to "appeal the appeal." However, I don't know how winnable it would be, as "reasonable period of time" isn't all that specific.
slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
What are some known precedents from previous similar cases?
