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WR Josh Gordon, KC (16 Viewers)
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Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@PFF_Jeff: To stir the pot a bit, Josh Gordon is currently 7th among WR in Yards per Route Run at 2.40. #49ers #Browns
tdhartis
Footballguy
Yeah, it's rather common. Not necessarily the best indicator of work ethic, but a lot of players do it. Randy Moss was knocked for it commonly. FWIW I saw Gordon make some rather impressive blocks, which usually indicates the opposite. Being winded from a recent deep route might have had something to do with it as well, but I can't say. Either way I wouldn't worry too much about it.
Bob Magaw
Footballguy
he would be tough to get comparable value for what he could be worth to the browns, due to off field issues...
they probably are better off hanging on to him, where he looks like he is a big difference maker... he is emerging as a top 5-10 WR...
worth the risk that he can somehow avoid trouble...
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Grabbing a year long top 10 (possibly top 5) WR in the 7th round. Is this unprecedented?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
If he keeps up this PPG, we may have no choice but to peg him as elite regardless of the QB situation.
Nah I dont think so. Welker's first year in NE, Colston's rookie year, Randall Cobb last year. bet it happens more often than you think. But I have him in every league and couldnt be happier ;-)
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
how about off the waiver wire a week before he was due to be off suspension ...couldnt believe i got him
HurryUpSundays
Footballguy
SI's Peter King suggested last week that a Josh Gordon trade to San Francisco in exchange for a second-round pick "has a chance."
The Gordon rumors aren't going to stop until the Oct. 29 trade deadline comes and goes. Former Cowboys personnel man and current NFL.com writer Gil Brandt had this to say: "Though the team has insisted Gordon is not on the block, if the Cleveland Browns, who are trying to stockpile draft choices, could get a second-round pick back, I think they'd be happy to trade him." In four games since coming off suspension, Gordon is averaging 6.2 catches for 107.2 yards with two touchdowns. If not for his off-field baggage, teams would be beating down the Browns' door.
Related: 49ers
Really hope this cat doesn't get traded. I think his redraft value will take an immediate hit. System, Vernon Davis, Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham..... Kaepernick.
The Gordon rumors aren't going to stop until the Oct. 29 trade deadline comes and goes. Former Cowboys personnel man and current NFL.com writer Gil Brandt had this to say: "Though the team has insisted Gordon is not on the block, if the Cleveland Browns, who are trying to stockpile draft choices, could get a second-round pick back, I think they'd be happy to trade him." In four games since coming off suspension, Gordon is averaging 6.2 catches for 107.2 yards with two touchdowns. If not for his off-field baggage, teams would be beating down the Browns' door.
Related: 49ers
Really hope this cat doesn't get traded. I think his redraft value will take an immediate hit. System, Vernon Davis, Crabtree, Boldin, Manningham..... Kaepernick.
Banger
Footballguy
Doesn't make sense for the 49ers to trade for him from a non-fantasy standpoint. They are getting Crab and Manningham back sooner rather than later. Why give up a valuable pick for a WR that they will have to teach a new system to and then share reps with? Unless they think Manningham and Crabtree are further away from helping them this season I don't see the value in a trade.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Thought this would die down a bit after it looked like Cleveland traded away a bad player...
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Gordon to SF makes almost no sense.
SF is one of the best rushing teams in the league, they're winning games without having to throw much, and they're getting Manningham and Crabtree back within a month. But we're to believe that SF is willing to give up a high draft pick for a knucklehead like Gordon?
SF is one of the best rushing teams in the league, they're winning games without having to throw much, and they're getting Manningham and Crabtree back within a month. But we're to believe that SF is willing to give up a high draft pick for a knucklehead like Gordon?
I guess so, Didn't realize that Manningham was a UFA after this season. Boldin isn't a spring chicken either, so I can see it from that point of view. I also don't understand it from Cleveland's side either. Outside of the suspension possibility, I see no upside in trading him.
fbelange
Footballguy
I grabbed him for a single dollar bill as the last player I grabbed in my auction.
If this continues, its the steal of the year. Right now, he is absolutely un-benchable. You cant argue that..
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I'd start him over Allen and I'm one of the biggest Allen proponents on this board.I'm benching him for Dez, Blackmon, Marshall, and Keenan Allen
Tough call on this... But I get your point
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Benching him over Fitz and Roddy. Easy call.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
smapdi
Footballguy
I can't have Gordon on my bench blowing up. I look at him as a must start and I also have Megatron and Dez. Gordon has my flex spot on lockdown until he loses it.
A trade to any team would kill his redraft value. It would take several weeks just to get a good understanding of the offense and much longer to get in sync with a new QB.
He is already WR22 in my league with 2 goose eggs.
35,8
11.1
18.6
21.6
That's a 21.5 ppg average in the games he has played. That is higher then Dez Bryant(19.6), Megatron (14.8). That 21.5 avg puts as WR2 in my league just behind DeSean Jackson's 22.0.
There are also long TD bonuses in this league which makes Gordon even more valuable. Weeden is averaging 14.2 yards per attempt to Gordon and they have history together.
A trade to any team would kill his redraft value. It would take several weeks just to get a good understanding of the offense and much longer to get in sync with a new QB.
He is already WR22 in my league with 2 goose eggs.
35,8
11.1
18.6
21.6
That's a 21.5 ppg average in the games he has played. That is higher then Dez Bryant(19.6), Megatron (14.8). That 21.5 avg puts as WR2 in my league just behind DeSean Jackson's 22.0.
There are also long TD bonuses in this league which makes Gordon even more valuable. Weeden is averaging 14.2 yards per attempt to Gordon and they have history together.
Chaka
Footballguy
CentralPA
Footballguy
LawFitz
Footballguy
I have both in both my leagues and as of now at least, Keenan I consider my WR2 and Gordon my WR3. Why? Rivers vs. Weeden.I'd start him over Allen and I'm one of the biggest Allen proponents on this board.I'm benching him for Dez, Blackmon, Marshall, and Keenan Allen
Tough call on this... But I get your point
Chaka
Footballguy
No doubt Rivers>>>>>>Weeden but Rivers distributes the ball much more than Weeden. One week Brown will get more targets, one week it will be Gates even Woodhead has had the same or more targets in four games.LawFitz said:I have both in both my leagues and as of now at least, Keenan I consider my WR2 and Gordon my WR3. Why? Rivers vs. Weeden.SameSongNDance said:I'd start him over Allen and I'm one of the biggest Allen proponents on this board.I'm benching him for Dez, Blackmon, Marshall, and Keenan Allen
Tough call on this... But I get your point
In Cleveland only Cameron is a threat to Gordon's targets. Gordon is getting a shade under 11 looks/game and Allen is getting just over 6. Even discounting the 19 target game Gordon is a more consistent target. Gordon is also more of a long ball threat than Allen.
And frankly Gordon is clearly the more physically talented player, even with the lesser QB I would have to go with the talent pretty much all day.
LawFitz
Footballguy
All fair points that I mostly agree with, but Brandon Weedon is not in my inner circle of trust and deep inside I fear a meltdown game is coming at any moment. Until that fear subsides (and it might with the rate they are passing in Cle) I rate Allen higher. Also, the trend for Allen's looks is up if you look at the numbers and the situation closely. But really I suppose we are nit picking because I think both WRs have extremely bright prospects for this year and beyond. Where Gordon is more physically talented, Allen is more polished and in a seemingly (IMO) much better situation.No doubt Rivers>>>>>>Weeden but Rivers distributes the ball much more than Weeden. One week Brown will get more targets, one week it will be Gates even Woodhead has had the same or more targets in four games.LawFitz said:I have both in both my leagues and as of now at least, Keenan I consider my WR2 and Gordon my WR3. Why? Rivers vs. Weeden.SameSongNDance said:I'd start him over Allen and I'm one of the biggest Allen proponents on this board.I'm benching him for Dez, Blackmon, Marshall, and Keenan Allen
Tough call on this... But I get your point
In Cleveland only Cameron is a threat to Gordon's targets. Gordon is getting a shade under 11 looks/game and Allen is getting just over 6. Even discounting the 19 target game Gordon is a more consistent target. Gordon is also more of a long ball threat than Allen.
And frankly Gordon is clearly the more physically talented player, even with the lesser QB I would have to go with the talent pretty much all day.
Allen has out scored Gordon each of the past 3 weeks.. By 2-6 points each week in PPR. This week Allen plays at JAX. Plus Rivers >> Weeden.
I think both are great plays, but that is my reasoning on Allen over Gordon
skol asylum
Footballguy
I have these 8 WRs in a dynasty. Hard to know who to start week to week:
Colston
Decker
Gordon
Harvin
DJax
Andre Johnson
Megatron
Denarius Moore
A good problem to have unless you pick the wrong guys.
Colston
Decker
Gordon
Harvin
DJax
Andre Johnson
Megatron
Denarius Moore
A good problem to have unless you pick the wrong guys.
Sake-Bombers
Footballguy
Every time I see this thread on the front page, I wonder if it's because he finally earned the one year suspension we all dread. That's ultimately why I sold, because when/if that happens it will be too late. In the meantime, love the guy in FanDuel!
smapdi
Footballguy
That's my biggest fear as well but it wouldn't kill you in a redraft I would think. I forget what round I got Gordon in but it was definitely after the 10th round of a 10 team league. I don't think very many people drafted Gordon as their WR1 or WR2. He was the 5th WR I took. I figured he was worth the gamble later on in a redraft at a lower price then normal due to his suspension. Nothing wrong with a prototype #1 WR with deep speed on a bad team playing catch up a lot.
I also don't think Cameron is a hindrance to his productivity either. I think having him really opens things up for Gordon and makes the defense have to consider another option in the passing game. With Richardson gone and no Cameron, defenses would just load up on Gordon every play.
jdoggydogg
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Weeden sucks.
mquinnjr
Footballguy
Outside of general inaccuracy, he looks like he's running for his freaking life mid-drop back every time I look up.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
He's under pressure, but he also doesn't seem to be looking Gordon's way much at all.
I would have a good chance to win this week if Gordon could just manage to get more than, you know.... ZERO points.
