towney
Footballguy
How can Le'Veon Bell who was also concussed be ready for wk14 and Weeden not. Severity?
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WR Josh Gordon, KC (3 Viewers)
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Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
If Weeden or Campbell play then hes in my lineup....Ill rethink it if they are on their 4th or 5th stringer
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I know. I dont want to but gotta at least think about if hes down to QB4/5
BillyJoeBob
Footballguy
I am starting him with any QB right now. I gotta think most smart QBs trying to establish/reestablish his career will force the ball to Gordon if he wants a chance to stick in the league.
smapdi
Footballguy
I think you're out of your mind if you bench this week.
We could have this exact same discussion last week at this time:
Well he's coming off a 46 point performance and had a 28 pointer the week before that, he's due for a let down... and then he explodes for 55
I'm sorry, but I am riding the hot streak all the way to the bank! I have my biggest game by far this week (no playoffs, head to head, most wins after 17 weeks wins) against the top team and I'm tied for 2nd (technically 3rd due to points tie breaker). Winning this game will put me one game back with 3 to go.
He is now the #2 WR in my league with 257.1 points with 2 0's factored in due to suspension. You don't bench the #2 WR ever.
We could have this exact same discussion last week at this time:
Well he's coming off a 46 point performance and had a 28 pointer the week before that, he's due for a let down... and then he explodes for 55
I'm sorry, but I am riding the hot streak all the way to the bank! I have my biggest game by far this week (no playoffs, head to head, most wins after 17 weeks wins) against the top team and I'm tied for 2nd (technically 3rd due to points tie breaker). Winning this game will put me one game back with 3 to go.
He is now the #2 WR in my league with 257.1 points with 2 0's factored in due to suspension. You don't bench the #2 WR ever.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
One thing: if someone benches him, I want it posted here in advance!
No chest-thumping "I told you so!" posts after he (inevitably) has a subpar game.
No chest-thumping "I told you so!" posts after he (inevitably) has a subpar game.
LawFitz
Footballguy
I've got him benched for Demaryius / Keenan / Racist Riley as of now. I don't trust Caleb Hanie coming off the couch against the hoodie.
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
That's the way to do it.
Though I think it's ballsy/unwise to start Cooper over him, despite Detroit's frequent poor secondary play. GL though.
RBM
Footballguy
donkshow
Footballguy
Wow, you're starting Riley and Allen over Gordon at this point?
You guys are nuts.
There are no 2 WR I could possibly own right now I'd start over him, regardless of QB.
3 mediocre QB's and he's beasted it all year long. Another mediocre QB isn't going to make him bench worthy.
You guys are nuts.
There are no 2 WR I could possibly own right now I'd start over him, regardless of QB.
3 mediocre QB's and he's beasted it all year long. Another mediocre QB isn't going to make him bench worthy.
bulger2holt
Footballguy
I have a bye this week. Will weeded or campbell be back the following week?
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
I will also bench him for Keenan IF its not Campbell or Weeden
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
omally
Footballguy
FOX Sports Insider Alex Marvez reports Browns QB Jason Campbell (concussion) recovering well and hopes to start Sunday against Patriots.
Chaka
Footballguy
I'm not sure if that makes me happy.
I like Weeden to take more shots deep than Captain Checkdown.
amnesiac
beer is good
doesn't sound like Weeden is going to be cleared by Sunday. Campbell has got to be better than Tanney or Hanie.
omally
Footballguy
Can Campbell throw it deep? I've only seen the Browns play once this year, and that is when Hoyer went down, and Weeden came in.
tdhartis
Footballguy
If neither Weeden or Campbell plays I'll seriously consider benching him in favor of Vincent Jackson v. Bills. If he wasn't going up against Talib or the Patriots I wouldn't think twice about benching him if neither QB played, but if both of those occur it's going to take some serious thought.
tdhartis
Footballguy
It's certainly not his forte. When he came into the league he was said to have one of the strongest arms, but his past performance indicates he checks down frequently, spreads it around to multiple receivers, tends not to force it downfield or into coverage, and is usually captain checkdown. That being said, I think he's the second best option for Gordon's prospects if Weeden doesn't get cleared.
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buck naked
Footballguy
Don't let them do it. Anyone who even considers it is ridiculous. He is unbenchable. Just remember the 95 yard td last week - catch and speed = td any any time.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
The NE Defense did look very ordinary last week....just need a somewhat NFL caliber QB....Hanie is awful and Ive never seen Trick Shot
smapdi
Footballguy
Seriously, don't even consider it man.
Let's put it this way: Would you consider benching Calvin Johnson this week if you had him?
Johnson is the #1 WR in FF PPR land with 296 points in my league. This is with him missing 1 game due to injury
Josh Gordon is at WR2 in FF PPR with 257 points. That is with 2 0's due to his 2 game suspension. So add another 21.4 points (his weekly average with bye and 0's) and you get 268 points. That is just 28 points behind Mega.
I don't need to worry because I have them both
but that is just some food for thoughtI really don't care who the QB is, Gordon is in there for me. We all could have argued this point last week after his first 200 yard performance and I'm sure a lot of people would've been convinced he was due for a major let down game... instead he put up an even sicker 200 yard performance and is the first WR in NFL history to do so. Do you really want to be the guy that loses because he benched the 1st WR in NFL history with 3 straight 200 yard games?
I'm not saying he does that but even if he has a major "let down" from this week and only puts up half of his production, that's still 27.5 points!
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Gordon had 5/132/1 @ KC and 5/121/1 @ Cincinnati with Campbell as his starter.
Chaka
Footballguy
Raider Nation
Devil's Advocate
Chaka
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
trent green was my qb when he got concussed in week 1.
some dudes take a little longer.....
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
I think andre did most of his damage against zone.
I would think they'd take a little different approach on gordon, but you never know
btw, I'm pretty sure julio jones had more than 100
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
JamesTheScot
Footballguy
I think that's where Jordan Cameron helps Gordon. Or he ends up having a great game himself.
BB does a good job at taking away your strength, but he also isn't oblivious to how dangerous Cameron can be. All it takes is a few catches by Cameron to put Gordon back into position to abuse some DB. And we all know that Gordon just needs a couple of catches to save your day.
That said, I am a Gordon and Cameron owner and am fretting an early round exit in my fantasy playoffs because of this match-up. My concern is that BB may be able to create enough smoke to keep the QB from being decisive. I think Gordon should be earning enough trust to be thrown to no matter what. But if BB can undermine that trust early, it could be a bad day for Gordon because of his QB.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
http://www.cleveland.com/browns/index.ssf/2013/12/jason_campbell_cleveland_brown.html?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
Man, this is depressing.
This independent specialist thing with the concussions is just totally unpredictable.
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Yeah who knows at this point....Id guess its good that both have been cleared for exercise at least and we can be hopeful, but each case is different and reading the tea leaves is next to impossible...
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
We arent predicting anything, just concerned that our stud WR may have a guy who has never played/barely played and sucked and only been with the team for a week or two might have to start against Belichek. I doubt any of us want to bench him but you have to be concerned. FWIW I havent removed him from my lineup either...
Houston turmOiler
Footballguy
Probably not....do the Browns have any WRs that could hit Gordon on a reverse pass?
Seriously though, if Im being honest it is getting harder to consider him on my bench as much as these QBs scare me.
Gordon has become one of those guys like Calvin or Peterson or Charles that you just leave in from the week before and you don't even look at his matchup. He's never had a good quarterback throwing to him so I'm not sure what the concern is this week. The guy is getting better and better.
tdhartis
Footballguy
The concern is that at least the guys that have been throwing to him so far this season were at least good enough to secure a roster spot on an NFL team. The other two options are (a) a guy who doesn't have any NFL experience, and (b) a veteran who has a 3-10 TD to INT ratio, only 116 total passes, and a QBR of 41.6 through this point in his career, and this is his 6th year in the league. Neither of these scrubs were good enough to find a place on an active roster or practice squad this season. They are going to be on an incredibly limited playbook considering it's this first week on the team. On top of that, they will be facing one of the best, if not the best, coaches in the NFL who is known to be very efficient at taking away his oppositions best target, and has a cover corner capable of doing it. He will almost assuredly make it his person goal to make sure if that Pats lose, it's not at the hands of Gordon.
Considering what he has done this season and the last couple weeks it sounds crazy to bench him, but there couldn't be a more perfect storm of $hitty circumstances culminating. If Weeden or Campbell plays, I'm not even thinking about the matchup and am plugging him in. However, I don't think it's wise to blindly plug him in if either of the recent acquisitions starts without at least weighing your other options. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for starting him since he's a beast, but I would be concerned that this might be one mountain even he might not be able to overcome. I realize this isn't going to be well received by what's essentially a hype train, but just think it's worth mentioning.
As for the Calvin question above? If Calvin were on the Browns, with no rushing threat or other true threats at WR, had Tanney or Haney at QB coming off the street and into the system 6 days before the game, was facing the Patriots in Foxborough with BB game planning to take him out, had the same NFL experience as Gordon currently, and was going against Talib--then yes. I would seriously consider it.
Considering what he has done this season and the last couple weeks it sounds crazy to bench him, but there couldn't be a more perfect storm of $hitty circumstances culminating. If Weeden or Campbell plays, I'm not even thinking about the matchup and am plugging him in. However, I don't think it's wise to blindly plug him in if either of the recent acquisitions starts without at least weighing your other options. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for starting him since he's a beast, but I would be concerned that this might be one mountain even he might not be able to overcome. I realize this isn't going to be well received by what's essentially a hype train, but just think it's worth mentioning.
As for the Calvin question above? If Calvin were on the Browns, with no rushing threat or other true threats at WR, had Tanney or Haney at QB coming off the street and into the system 6 days before the game, was facing the Patriots in Foxborough with BB game planning to take him out, had the same NFL experience as Gordon currently, and was going against Talib--then yes. I would seriously consider it.
tdhartis
Footballguy
That doesn't mean I'm over-thinking it. The same can be said of a lot of players. If anything I believe you're under-thinking it. See, I can make conclusory statements too.
BustedKnuckles
Footballguy
Play him as your flex if that makes it feel less risky
