WR Josh Gordon, KC (2 Viewers)

[TeeDub]

A new qb that's brand new to the system on a team with a bad running game is only going to have eyes for Gordon, whether it's the deep ball or short passed

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Torrid Browns wideout Josh Gordon said Wednesday that the revolving door at quarterback has made it difficult for him to stay in rhythm, per theBoston Globe.

One must wonder what Gordon would have achieved the last two weeks had he been in sync with his quarterbacks. He established an NFL mark with successive 200-yard games and scored four touchdowns along the way.

Gordon could work with his fourth quarterback this season Sunday in New England. The absences of Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell due to concussions would result in Caleb Hanie or Alex Tanney starting against the Patriots.

 

[TheCommish]

He's been my WR3 all season long (until the past two weeks, anyway), so I have no problem putting him in my lineup with Calvin and A.Brown. I don't expect him to be a monster. I can win without it (as most of us can, considering he came cheap in drafts). But when he DOES put up the big games, I'm unstoppable this season.

Starting with no doubts here.

 

[Chaka]

Gordon had 5/132/1 @ KC and 5/121/1 @ Cincinnati with Campbell as his starter.

He also had 3/44/0 v Bal with Campbell as his starter.

Didn't Gordon also have 15 targets in that game? It was the windy/rainy game as well, in which both Flaco and Campbell had horrible completion percentages.

No, he had 7 targets that game. He had 15 targets against the Bengals in the terrible wind game and he caught 5/125/1.

 

[Chaka]

Torrid Browns wideout Josh Gordon said Wednesday that the revolving door at quarterback has made it difficult for him to stay in rhythm, per theBoston Globe.

One must wonder what Gordon would have achieved the last two weeks had he been in sync with his quarterbacks. He established an NFL mark with successive 200-yard games and scored four touchdowns along the way.

Gordon could work with his fourth quarterback this season Sunday in New England. The absences of Brandon Weeden and Jason Campbell due to concussions would result in Caleb Hanie or Alex Tanney starting against the Patriots.

He has scored 3 TDs in his 2 200 yard games not 4. He has scored 4 TDs over his last 3 games (he put up 125 yards in the other game).

 

[Woogie Lee]

they are playing the Pats, right? Bill B. knows who the one player is that need to stop, right?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

they are playing the Pats, right? Bill B. knows who the one player is that need to stop, right?

the pats couldnt stop that guy in Houston...whats his name...oh ya...Andre Johnson

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

they are playing the Pats, right? Bill B. knows who the one player is that need to stop, right?

the pats couldnt stop that guy in Houston...whats his name...oh ya...Andre Johnson

as I mentioned earlier, the pats really didn't focus on stopping andre, and he did most of his damage against zone.

that said, I think he also had good games against them last year, but I don't remember wtf they were running then.

pretty sure they wanted to shut julio jones down, but he picked up 100 yds, if that gives anybody some hope.

personally, I think it'd be tough to sit a guy who just put up 500 yds the last 2 weeks if chuck norris was covering him

 

[omally]

Gordon has become one of those guys like Calvin or Peterson or Charles that you just leave in from the week before and you don't even look at his matchup. He's never had a good quarterback throwing to him so I'm not sure what the concern is this week. The guy is getting better and better.

I think RBs aren't as much of a concern whenever a new QB is behind center. Did you ever own Calvin when they had Culpepper and Stanton filling in? He had some down games.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

I haven't watched many Browns games but from what I've seen he (Gordon) seems to move around a lot. He doesn't seem to be just on the left or right. Wouldn't that help him?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

If Rodgers gets cleared I'll start Jordy over him in an old-school start exactly 2WR league.

Obviously I know not many are still in leagues like that or have an alternative like that.

 

[maf005]

Vegas projects this game to be 16-28 Pats.

If that game script of NE dominating holds then you can throw out any ideas about gameplanning for one player you had in mind. Gordon will have 24 mins of garbage time.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Vegas projects this game to be 16-28 Pats.

If that game script of NE dominating holds then you can throw out any ideas about gameplanning for one player you had in mind. Gordon will have 24 mins of garbage time.

The Pats usually play full throttle until the end with their offense and defense regardless of the score.

 

[smapdi]

they are playing the Pats, right? Bill B. knows who the one player is that need to stop, right?

the pats couldnt stop that guy in Houston...whats his name...oh ya...Andre Johnson

as I mentioned earlier, the pats really didn't focus on stopping andre, and he did most of his damage against zone.

that said, I think he also had good games against them last year, but I don't remember wtf they were running then.

pretty sure they wanted to shut julio jones down, but he picked up 100 yds, if that gives anybody some hope.

personally, I think it'd be tough to sit a guy who just put up 500 yds the last 2 weeks if chuck norris was covering him

Gordon is also the most dynamic deep threat in the entire league right now. All he does is score TDs over 25 yards.

Even if youre sweating what no name QB the Browns might be forced to start, all it takes is one single play for Gordon to have a good week. He can take that 5 yard dump off from "trick shot" & bust it open for a 70 yard TD. He is by far and away the most explosive WR. Once those long legs start churning, he can rum away from any DB in the league.

I also wouldnt get too worked up over NE & BB. Their defense hasnt exactly been a top knotch unit this season. Even if they have Talib try and jam him at the line, Gordon has the size to fight through that. Then all it takes is a half a step and he's gone like the wind

 

[LawFitz]

Remember earlier in this thread when people were arguiung that he wasn't worth a late first rounder for one of the Superbowl contenders. Ha!

 

[Stompin' Tom Connors]

The concern is that at least the guys that have been throwing to him so far this season were at least good enough to secure a roster spot on an NFL team. The other two options are (a) a guy who doesn't have any NFL experience, and (b) a veteran who has a 3-10 TD to INT ratio, only 116 total passes, and a QBR of 41.6 through this point in his career, and this is his 6th year in the league. Neither of these scrubs were good enough to find a place on an active roster or practice squad this season. They are going to be on an incredibly limited playbook considering it's this first week on the team. On top of that, they will be facing one of the best, if not the best, coaches in the NFL who is known to be very efficient at taking away his oppositions best target, and has a cover corner capable of doing it. He will almost assuredly make it his person goal to make sure if that Pats lose, it's not at the hands of Gordon.

Considering what he has done this season and the last couple weeks it sounds crazy to bench him, but there couldn't be a more perfect storm of ####ty circumstances culminating. If Weeden or Campbell plays, I'm not even thinking about the matchup and am plugging him in. However, I don't think it's wise to blindly plug him in if either of the recent acquisitions starts without at least weighing your other options. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for starting him since he's a beast, but I would be concerned that this might be one mountain even he might not be able to overcome. I realize this isn't going to be well received by what's essentially a hype train, but just think it's worth mentioning.

As for the Calvin question above? If Calvin were on the Browns, with no rushing threat or other true threats at WR, had Tanney or Haney at QB coming off the street and into the system 6 days before the game, was facing the Patriots in Foxborough with BB game planning to take him out, had the same NFL experience as Gordon currently, and was going against Talib--then yes. I would seriously consider it.

Good post, concur heartily. Look, I understand Gordon only needs one play to break out a play that makes for a solid FF day. But you can't possibly convince me that there is nothing to worry about if Weeden or Campbell can't make it back to the field and you have a completely unknown/untested QB wavering under center.

Gordon can do tons on his own; he still needs a guy with the presence and talent to get him the rock. Belichick is a fantastic defensive mind and is proven at making teams one-dimensional. Color me very worried if Tanney or Haney get the start.

 

[Insein]

Never bench this guy. The question is always "could you handle starting him and getting a bad result" vs "can you live with yourself if you benched him while he goes off for another 10/200/2 day?"

 

[BustedKnuckles]

The concern is that at least the guys that have been throwing to him so far this season were at least good enough to secure a roster spot on an NFL team. The other two options are (a) a guy who doesn't have any NFL experience, and (b) a veteran who has a 3-10 TD to INT ratio, only 116 total passes, and a QBR of 41.6 through this point in his career, and this is his 6th year in the league. Neither of these scrubs were good enough to find a place on an active roster or practice squad this season. They are going to be on an incredibly limited playbook considering it's this first week on the team. On top of that, they will be facing one of the best, if not the best, coaches in the NFL who is known to be very efficient at taking away his oppositions best target, and has a cover corner capable of doing it. He will almost assuredly make it his person goal to make sure if that Pats lose, it's not at the hands of Gordon.

Considering what he has done this season and the last couple weeks it sounds crazy to bench him, but there couldn't be a more perfect storm of ####ty circumstances culminating. If Weeden or Campbell plays, I'm not even thinking about the matchup and am plugging him in. However, I don't think it's wise to blindly plug him in if either of the recent acquisitions starts without at least weighing your other options. I certainly wouldn't blame anyone for starting him since he's a beast, but I would be concerned that this might be one mountain even he might not be able to overcome. I realize this isn't going to be well received by what's essentially a hype train, but just think it's worth mentioning.

As for the Calvin question above? If Calvin were on the Browns, with no rushing threat or other true threats at WR, had Tanney or Haney at QB coming off the street and into the system 6 days before the game, was facing the Patriots in Foxborough with BB game planning to take him out, had the same NFL experience as Gordon currently, and was going against Talib--then yes. I would seriously consider it.

Good post, concur heartily. Look, I understand Gordon only needs one play to break out a play that makes for a solid FF day. But you can't possibly convince me that there is nothing to worry about if Weeden or Campbell can't make it back to the field and you have a completely unknown/untested QB wavering under center.

Gordon can do tons on his own; he still needs a guy with the presence and talent to get him the rock. Belichick is a fantastic defensive mind and is proven at making teams one-dimensional. Color me very worried if Tanney or Haney get the start.

would you start someone like Harry Douglas over him?

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

. Belichick is a fantastic defensive mind and is proven at making teams one-dimensional.

Since the Browns walk into the stadium one-dimensional, he's likely to make them no-dimensional.

 

[meanjoegreen]

Never bench this guy. The question is always "could you handle starting him and getting a bad result" vs "can you live with yourself if you benched him while he goes off for another 10/200/2 day?"

I don't think he would go off for another 10/200/2 day with Tanney or Hanie against the Pats.

 

[fbelange]

Play him as your flex if that makes it feel less risky

Never understood the Flex mentality.

The Flex player is still a starter....and every position counts. Esp. in the playoffs. If anything, I like to make my Flex the player with the highest floor...highest ceiling... Pretty much I want him as productive as any other player in my lineup.

And while were on the subject, my only other viable options for benching Gordon are Steve Smith and Rueben Randle. Right now Im cozy with Gordon/Demaryius/Marshall starting. If Gordon has a dud, hopefully the others pick up the slack.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Still holding out slight hope for Weeden or Campbell

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Play him as your flex if that makes it feel less risky

Never understood the Flex mentality.

The Flex player is still a starter....and every position counts. Esp. in the playoffs. If anything, I like to make my Flex the player with the highest floor...highest ceiling... Pretty much I want him as productive as any other player in my lineup.

I'm pretty sure he was joking, but I agree about the flex thing.

I don't know why people trivialize it as a 'what the heck' flex -- it's a starting spot just like any other.

 

[JuniorNB]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

Talib is way overrated based on one game where he shut out Jimmy Graham. He was on Andre Johnson last week and got eaten up. He's a good cover corner. Very good, even. But he's no 2010 Revis. He's certainly not a shut down corner who you alter your lineup for.

 

[fbelange]

Play him as your flex if that makes it feel less risky

Never understood the Flex mentality.

The Flex player is still a starter....and every position counts. Esp. in the playoffs. If anything, I like to make my Flex the player with the highest floor...highest ceiling... Pretty much I want him as productive as any other player in my lineup.

I'm pretty sure he was joking, but I agree about the flex thing.

I don't know why people trivialize it as a 'what the heck' flex -- it's a starting spot just like any other.

Wasn't marginalizing his statement. Just saw it as an opportunity to voice my opinion on the way a lot of fantasy writers seem to down-play or view the flex as a lottery ticket position.. A starter is a starter. A 1-point performance from your flex is as bad as a 1-point performance from any other position...

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

Talib is way overrated based on one game where he shut out Jimmy Graham. He was on Andre Johnson last week and got eaten up. He's a good cover corner. Very good, even. But he's no 2010 Revis. He's certainly not a shut down corner who you alter your lineup for.

Right I think the guys a hack personally. PI and Holding all over the field. I loved steve smith getting in his grill the other night

BTW< Jason Campbell cleared to practice, so there is hope!!! Not Weeden hope, who seemed to have tunnel vision for Gordon

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Let it rain footballs.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

Talib is way overrated based on one game where he shut out Jimmy Graham. He was on Andre Johnson last week and got eaten up. He's a good cover corner. Very good, even. But he's no 2010 Revis. He's certainly not a shut down corner who you alter your lineup for.

he was?

 

[JuniorNB]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

Talib is way overrated based on one game where he shut out Jimmy Graham. He was on Andre Johnson last week and got eaten up. He's a good cover corner. Very good, even. But he's no 2010 Revis. He's certainly not a shut down corner who you alter your lineup for.

he was?

Look up the stats

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

I love how often one bad game against Houston is being used to trump all the other games this season when WR's couldn't crack 100 and Belichick's long history of being able to take away or at least severely limit a team's top option.

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

Talib is way overrated based on one game where he shut out Jimmy Graham. He was on Andre Johnson last week and got eaten up. He's a good cover corner. Very good, even. But he's no 2010 Revis. He's certainly not a shut down corner who you alter your lineup for.

he was?

Look up the stats

Pretty sure Larry is referring to the fact that the Pats were in zone a lot last week which has been posted here multiple times.

 

[JuniorNB]

I love how often one bad game against Houston is being used to trump all the other games this season when WR's couldn't crack 100 or Belichick's long history of being able to take away or at least severely limit a team's top option.

So you're on record as saying Gordon shouldn't be started this week?

 

[JuniorNB]

The only top tier receivers that Talib has faced this season are Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Andre Johnson. A. Brown had 71 yards and a touchdown, Julio had 108 yards, and Andre Johnson had 121 yards. AJ Green was held to 61 yards, but if you remember, that game was played in horrible weather and was 13-6. Brady didn't even thrown for 200 yards.

The Cleveland quarterback is a legitimate concern. Talib is not.

 

[towney]

Looks like Campbell will be starting based on cleared to practice today (rotoworld). Good news for Gordon?

 

[Macdaddy_2004]

Good enough - he's had some decent games with Campbell.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The only top tier receivers that Talib has faced this season are Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Andre Johnson. A. Brown had 71 yards and a touchdown, Julio had 108 yards, and Andre Johnson had 121 yards. AJ Green was held to 61 yards, but if you remember, that game was played in horrible weather and was 13-6. Brady didn't even thrown for 200 yards.

The Cleveland quarterback is a legitimate concern. Talib is not.

orly?

edit you forgot vjax, btw

 

[Bigboy10182000]

The only top tier receivers that Talib has faced this season are Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Andre Johnson. A. Brown had 71 yards and a touchdown, Julio had 108 yards, and Andre Johnson had 121 yards. AJ Green was held to 61 yards, but if you remember, that game was played in horrible weather and was 13-6. Brady didn't even thrown for 200 yards.

The Cleveland quarterback is a legitimate concern. Talib is not.

orly?

edit you forgot vjax, btw

And D. Thomas from Denver who went for 4-41-1

 

[Banger]

Looks like Campbell will be starting based on cleared to practice today (rotoworld). Good news for Gordon?

definitely better than a guy off the street...

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

The only top tier receivers that Talib has faced this season are Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Andre Johnson. A. Brown had 71 yards and a touchdown, Julio had 108 yards, and Andre Johnson had 121 yards. AJ Green was held to 61 yards, but if you remember, that game was played in horrible weather and was 13-6. Brady didn't even thrown for 200 yards.

The Cleveland quarterback is a legitimate concern. Talib is not.

from PFF

This was a ridiculous week for CB performances, but you may not see a finer one than that from Aqib Talib in quite some time. Talib was given the task most of the time of shutting down Julio Jones but he also saw a fair bit of Roddy White, an easier call until White gets fully healthy. Regardless of who he was covering, Talib was in close attendance and making a nuisance of himself, forcing passes out, picking them off, or forcing drops with his close coverage. In total he was thrown at seven times, and though he had safety help on occasions he didn’t allow a single catch in those targets. As if that wasn’t enough he saved one of his biggest plays for the game’s most important. On fourth down in his own end zone he batted away a pass intended for Roddy White that would have tied the game for the Falcons despite White having good leverage on the route.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

Talib is way overrated based on one game where he shut out Jimmy Graham. He was on Andre Johnson last week and got eaten up. He's a good cover corner. Very good, even. But he's no 2010 Revis. He's certainly not a shut down corner who you alter your lineup for.

he was?

Look up the stats

seems like you should be looking at more games and less stats

 

[JuniorNB]

The only top tier receivers that Talib has faced this season are Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Andre Johnson. A. Brown had 71 yards and a touchdown, Julio had 108 yards, and Andre Johnson had 121 yards. AJ Green was held to 61 yards, but if you remember, that game was played in horrible weather and was 13-6. Brady didn't even thrown for 200 yards.

The Cleveland quarterback is a legitimate concern. Talib is not.

orly?

edit you forgot vjax, btw

And D. Thomas from Denver who went for 4-41-1

I wasn't sure if he stayed locked on Thomas all game or not. Where Denver differs from Cleveland is that Manning won't force 15 throws to Thomas every week. He doesn't have to. He has three WR1s. Bye the way, I'll take 4-41-1

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

The only top tier receivers that Talib has faced this season are Antonio Brown, AJ Green, Julio Jones, and Andre Johnson. A. Brown had 71 yards and a touchdown, Julio had 108 yards, and Andre Johnson had 121 yards. AJ Green was held to 61 yards, but if you remember, that game was played in horrible weather and was 13-6. Brady didn't even thrown for 200 yards.

The Cleveland quarterback is a legitimate concern. Talib is not.

from PFF

This was a ridiculous week for CB performances, but you may not see a finer one than that from Aqib Talib in quite some time. Talib was given the task most of the time of shutting down Julio Jones but he also saw a fair bit of Roddy White, an easier call until White gets fully healthy. Regardless of who he was covering, Talib was in close attendance and making a nuisance of himself, forcing passes out, picking them off, or forcing drops with his close coverage. In total he was thrown at seven times, and though he had safety help on occasions he didn’t allow a single catch in those targets. As if that wasn’t enough he saved one of his biggest plays for the game’s most important. On fourth down in his own end zone he batted away a pass intended for Roddy White that would have tied the game for the Falcons despite White having good leverage on the route.

I think Jones was covered by Talib, McCourty, Denard and Gregory in that game, Talib was on him but not the whole time.

Talib did get an interception off of Ryan while covering Jones though.

 

[JuniorNB]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

Talib is way overrated based on one game where he shut out Jimmy Graham. He was on Andre Johnson last week and got eaten up. He's a good cover corner. Very good, even. But he's no 2010 Revis. He's certainly not a shut down corner who you alter your lineup for.

he was?

Look up the stats

seems like you should be looking at more games and less stats

I'll get back to you Monday.

 

[Houston turmOiler]

Looks like Campbell will be starting based on cleared to practice today (rotoworld). Good news for Gordon?

definitely better than a guy off the street...

Hell yeah....keeps the whole playbook open and the ability to move Gordon around. Tough to do much with guys who have only been around a short time. Now go burn Talib a few times Josh....

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

Talib is way overrated based on one game where he shut out Jimmy Graham. He was on Andre Johnson last week and got eaten up. He's a good cover corner. Very good, even. But he's no 2010 Revis. He's certainly not a shut down corner who you alter your lineup for.

he was?

Look up the stats

seems like you should be looking at more games and less stats

I'll get back to you Monday.

waiting for the usa today box score?

 

[JuniorNB]

Talib is going to be holding this guy all over the field, with the bad QB play it just seems like he wont be that productive

Cant see how you bench Gordon though.

Its why we play the games!

Talib is way overrated based on one game where he shut out Jimmy Graham. He was on Andre Johnson last week and got eaten up. He's a good cover corner. Very good, even. But he's no 2010 Revis. He's certainly not a shut down corner who you alter your lineup for.

he was?

Look up the stats

seems like you should be looking at more games and less stats

I'll get back to you Monday.

waiting for the usa today box score?

What's your official call? Start Gordon this week or not? I'm saying he should be started and will produce. And we be back to say I'm wrong if he doesn't. What about you? Or are you just going to run your mouth and hide like a girl if he does well? What's the call?

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

my call is that your entire list of wr who have supposedly torched talib is almost entirely made up nonsense based on your imagination and a bunch of ignorant assumptions made from reading box scores and little, if any, football viewing.

whether or not you start a player is mostly decided by the surrounding players on your roster, so while calvin would be the dominant guy on any roster, gordon was probably drafted low enough that the player might have other options.

I wouldn't be trying to sit anybody who just put up 500 yds in 2 games, but I don't think he's as match up proof as you seem to think, and I wouldn't be that excited about him this week, as I doubt the pats go back to zone, and fully expect them to try and squash gordon, assuming talib's hip isn't too bad.

 

[JuniorNB]

my call is that your entire list of wr who have supposedly torched talib is almost entirely made up nonsense based on your imagination and a bunch of ignorant assumptions made from reading box scores and little, if any, football viewing.

whether or not you start a player is mostly decided by the surrounding players on your roster, so while calvin would be the dominant guy on any roster, gordon was probably drafted low enough that the player might have other options.

I wouldn't be trying to sit anybody who just put up 500 yds in 2 games, but I don't think he's as match up proof as you seem to think, and I wouldn't be that excited about him this week, as I doubt the pats go back to zone, and fully expect them to try and squash gordon, assuming talib's hip isn't too bad.

So your prediction is you wouldn't be excited about him this week because they'll have Talib squash Gordon but you wouldn't sit anyone who almost put up 500 yards in the past two weeks. Gotcha. Way to put yourself out there.

 

[parasaurolophus]

No way am I benching him. I have to pick 3 out of Andre, Dez, antonio Brown, and Gordon. Brown will ride the pine.

I did just pick up Ron Dayne though in case they start him at qb. With gordon on the field he would be a lock for 250 and 2 tds.