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WR Josh Gordon, KC (4 Viewers)
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KellysHeroes
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It's so early in the offseason programs that a handful of snaps being given to Gordon or some one else instead are not going to make a bit of difference. I would not read into it one way or the other - until the Browns hear officially otherwise, they need to act as if Gordon is a starting WR.
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Soulfly3
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identikit
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fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
The Browns went and picked up Earl Bennett and Miles Austin since the news came out of Gordon's suspension. For a one year or less suspension, these vets will be much more valuable than a rookie pick.
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Bigboy10182000
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So when can we expect an announcment?
PlasmaDogPlasma
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BustedKnuckles
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Appearing on ESPN's NFL Insiders Tuesday, Adam Schefter reported the "full expectation" is that Josh Gordon is facing a season-long suspension.
Gordon is appealing his latest violation of the league's substance-abuse policy, but it doesn't appear he's going to get it shortened from the likely 16 games. A best-case scenario would be an eight-game ban, but Dynasty league owners need to be planning on life without Gordon for 2014.
Gordon is appealing his latest violation of the league's substance-abuse policy, but it doesn't appear he's going to get it shortened from the likely 16 games. A best-case scenario would be an eight-game ban, but Dynasty league owners need to be planning on life without Gordon for 2014.
KellysHeroes
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bet he was using spice or some other type weed that was harder to trace, well Josh your not working for Stop and Shop; your working for one of the most powerful and richest companies in the world... and your still trying to beat the system.
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fatness
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I don't see much fantasy value for Miles Austin. He's hurt the majority of the season, he's with a new team, has to learn the offense.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
I hope he's wrong, but doesn't Schefter usually have good sources? Too bad.
ROYALWITCHEESE
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Unless his sources are those that break the rules of confidentiality, he's just guessing like everyone else. There's a reason it's taking so long. It has taken them literally no time to suspend countless others...ItsOnlytheRiver said:
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Soulfly3
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Was hoping this would just be self evident. Apparently not.
Anyone ever heard Schefter break a substance abuse story before it was made public?
me neither.
guess why.
fridayfrenzy
Footballguy
massraider
Footballguy
Because of the confidential nature of the program, suspensions aren't generally announced until appeals are heard. This isn't taking any longer than any other time, as far as we know.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
You got a crush on me, breh?
I'll tell you what... he gets 16 games, Ill take a ban.
He gets less, you get a ban.
Grasp at those straws, sweetpea.
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massraider
Footballguy
The first announcement was that he was suspended. That was after the appeal. There was no public suspension, then an appeal, then a denial, that we witnessed in real time. You are incorrect.
in Gordon's case, there was a leak, so we got the curtain pulled back earlier than normal.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Well, I don't think it's as black and white as you make it out to be. I would guess that perhaps he's getting some information from good sources that requires reading some tea leaves which he is doing.
Again, I hope I'm wrong, but I really don't think Schefter is guessing, and if he was I think he'd be more obvious about explaining that he was just guessing.
massraider
Footballguy
This is where we are at? Questioning Schefter as an info guy? Good luck with that.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
I dont think anyone questions him as an info guy
But when it comes to substance abuse suspensions he never had a clue and cant have a clue
Bamac
Footballguy
Of course he can. Maybe he can't know anything for sure, but he's talking to people familiar with the situation and making an informed prediction. Certainly more informed than mine or yours.
Sure but on the same show he said Gordon was looking at year he also said he fully expected the Super Bowl to be awarded to New Orleans and it was just a few weeks ago he kept saying Manziel was a lock to go top 13.
Bamac
Footballguy
I've taken a pretty strong position that folks are overvaluing Schefter's opinion. But it's not worthless. I think we agree on both points.
fatness
Footballguy
PlasmaDogPlasma
Footballguy
Gopher State
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massraider
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So wait, when ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter reports that the "full expectation" is that Gordon is expected to be suspended for 1 year, that's worthless information and Schefter "never had a clue and cant have a clue," but when Fox 1 NFL insider Mike Garafolo reports that Gordon HOPES to have the suspension reduced to 4-6 games, this is "very, very interesting."
Let's look at this from a few viewpoints:
1-Schefter is obviously a more well known, better respected "NFL insider" than Garafolo.
2-This article says that Gordon HOPES to get the suspension reduced to 4-6 games; Schefter reported that the "best case" would be for the suspension to be reduced to 8 games. The 2 reports aren't too far apart.
3-The Garafolo report (which you deemed "very, very interesting") says Gordon hopes to have the suspension REDUCED to 4-6 games, which implies a longer (year long) ban, which doesn't mesh with your hope that Gordon was only FACING a 4-6 game suspension.
Back to Gordon; to me this report is both good and bad news. It suggests that Gordon may be able to get some "time off" because of a loophole, like Sherman did (or Braun in MLB). This is positive, because we could be looking at less/no missed time.
It also suggests that maybe it was not actually a positive, but a missed test. Even though the NFL still considers that a positive, that could indicate that maybe Gordon is staying away from these banned substances, which could be a positive for his future (post-suspension) career.
However, it must be noted that this is pure speculation on Garafolo's part. Nowhere does he name a source, or even indicate that he is getting this information from the NFL, the Browns, Gordon, or his agent; rather it's coming from the ex-Brown (& Oakland 6th string WR), Greg Little.
Yet this report should be given more weight than Schefter's.
Banger
Footballguy
The fact that there's whispers that the Browns are looking to move on without Gordon and they'd be willing to trade for one speaks volumes as did their willingness to trade Gordon last year. Where there's smoke there's fire and IMO the Browns know he's gone for a year and that they cannot trust that he can be trusted off the field.
I am a Gordon owner and would love nothing more than him to suit up but I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong. Also, Gordon has shown no ability throughout his entire career to stay away from weed so he's fairly worthless until the NFL changes its rules on weed. I think it's stupid and doesn't make sense but it's a rule and he's broken it and continues to break it. It's a real shame though because he's one hell of a WR that will likely have a substantial portion of his productive years flush down the toilet because he smokes pot.
I am a Gordon owner and would love nothing more than him to suit up but I don't see it happening. I hope I'm wrong. Also, Gordon has shown no ability throughout his entire career to stay away from weed so he's fairly worthless until the NFL changes its rules on weed. I think it's stupid and doesn't make sense but it's a rule and he's broken it and continues to break it. It's a real shame though because he's one hell of a WR that will likely have a substantial portion of his productive years flush down the toilet because he smokes pot.
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Gordon can hope to have the suspension thrown out completely. Doesn't mean its gonna happen.
JH56
Footballguy
Did a little digging and this was from an interview with Aldolpho Birch NFL VP in charge of drug testing in 2011...still leaves a lot of gray area but, if true that it was a missed test and not a failed one it gives a lot more leeway on punishment......
Players say they have to give their number and address to the NFL to be found at all times. What if they go on vacation, forget to report it, and cant be found? What is the consequence, ie: a warning first, or a fine, orwhat?
Our players - in the offseason and to some extent during the season as well have to notify the independent administrator of their location and residence changes. If hes on an extended vacation, basically we can work around it.
Basically anytime anyne misses a test an investigation is done and it is reported from a disciplinary standpoint. The result of that may be no action, because there be no any other issue than he was across town when we came for the test for him, or it could be a warning, or you are placed on reasonable cause testing which means the number of your tests goes up dramatically (to up to 24 tests a year), to a fine and reasonable cause and it could be a suspension depending on the underlying factors. Its different than the Olympics which sort of has a rigid, three strikes in 18 months. We review every one.
Players say they have to give their number and address to the NFL to be found at all times. What if they go on vacation, forget to report it, and cant be found? What is the consequence, ie: a warning first, or a fine, orwhat?
Our players - in the offseason and to some extent during the season as well have to notify the independent administrator of their location and residence changes. If hes on an extended vacation, basically we can work around it.
Basically anytime anyne misses a test an investigation is done and it is reported from a disciplinary standpoint. The result of that may be no action, because there be no any other issue than he was across town when we came for the test for him, or it could be a warning, or you are placed on reasonable cause testing which means the number of your tests goes up dramatically (to up to 24 tests a year), to a fine and reasonable cause and it could be a suspension depending on the underlying factors. Its different than the Olympics which sort of has a rigid, three strikes in 18 months. We review every one.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Just snagged him late in the survivor league, hope your right Soulfly, lets go 4 game suspension!!!!!!
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Also if you are hoping to get it reduced to 4-6.....then we also know it is proposed to be longer than 4-6.fruity pebbles said:
jurb26
Footballguy
Umm, it's Friday.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Soulfly3
Footballguy
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Oh, ok thanks....I think if it was something that simple that it would have played out behind the scenes and the punishment would have been established prior to the release of information: I believe that is how his previous suspension went down.
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Andrew74
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a.k.a. People not name Schefter
Soulfly3
Footballguy
if Schefter knew ANYTHING, he'd risk his career by putting out that information.
He's guessing, like most of us.
Coeur de Lion
Footballguy
Seems odd (and hugely irresponsible) for ESPN and NFLN to report that he not only failed a test, but to include "for marijuana" specifically, if he just failed to take one. If the specifics were coming from some random hack, I'd be far more inclined to put less weight on them, but the major networks seem fairly unlikely to run unsubstantiated garbage as the lead story on Sportscenter or Total Access. Obviously Gordon owners MMV...
