WR Josh Gordon, KC (2 Viewers)

[Faust]

@PatMcManamon


One has to believe Gordon was well aware of his status, and what a misstep meant. He said he was at least. #responsibility

 

[Braktastic]

If you all weren't so blinded by your dynasty and keeper leagues, you'd see how simple this all really is. Workplaces have rules, you violate them at your own peril.

 

[eric rymer]

If you all weren't so blinded by your dynasty and keeper leagues, you'd see how simple this all really is. Workplaces have rules, you violate them at your own peril.

Can't help but agree. Regardless if you think the law is stupid, outdated, unfair or whatever, I follow the rules of my employer or I find another job. It really is that simple.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

If Gordon somehow doesn't F-up it will be a miracle. Offseason + free time = F-up.

"I'm never gonna stop the puffingNot for nothing

The block they need me

The streets they need me

The club scene

Is mine believe me"

 

[CentralPA]

If you all weren't so blinded by your dynasty and keeper leagues, you'd see how simple this all really is. Workplaces have rules, you violate them at your own peril.

Bingo

 

[cstu]

If you side with the NFL against Josh Gordon, you are a moron. There's no justification for it other than blindly following what people with lots of money tell you to do.

No one is 'siding' with the NFL, they are only following what was agreed upon in the CBA.

There's no question that it's extremely harsh on players but that's what they agreed to.

 

[jurb26]

If you side with the NFL against Josh Gordon, you are a moron. There's no justification for it other than blindly following what people with lots of money tell you to do.

No one is 'siding' with the NFL, they are only following what was agreed upon in the CBA.

There's no question that it's extremely harsh on players but that's what they agreed to.

Yup. People need to take their fantasy football goggles off. The rules are clear. The rules are agreed upon. The political crusades about whether weed should be legal or not have nothing to do with this.

 

[JFS171]

Kyle Shanahan is going to run alllllllll dayyyyy loooooonnnnngggg in Cleveland. They don't really have any other choice at this point.

JFF is going to take that RGIII role and Tate/West/Crowell the Morris role and they're going to try to pound people with that OL and defense. Cameron will probably catch 80 balls, but the rest of it is a mess... and it hurts JFF this year pretty badly IMO.

I think if anything, pass on JFF in rookie drafts and look to trade for him before next season when they actually will invest in pro-caliber WRs.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Dan Graziano reports the NFL is expected to revamp its marijuana policy in the league's new drug agreement, instituting a higher threshold for positive tests and lessening the penalties.
It's unclear how much the penalties will be lessened, but at the very least, it means players will no longer be subject to a four-game ban for a first-time offense. Per Graziano, only haggling over the arbitration process is delaying the new drug agreement. The move comes too late for Josh Gordon, but it appears marijuana will no longer be treated as a more serious offense than issues like drunk driving and assault.

Source: ESPN.com

 

[Faust]

Jimmy Haslam expects Josh Gordon to be with Browns "for a long time to come'' despite looming suspension

 

[cstu]

Rotoworld:

Browns CEO Joe Banner was noncommittal on the possibility of a Josh Gordon trade, but insisted he'd be "completely shocked" if Gordon were dealt before the October 29 deadline.
The deadline is next Tuesday at 4PM ET. "If you’re in this long enough, you learn to never say anything absolute, because then something comes up and you look like you lied," Banner said. "I personally — and I think anybody here — would be completely shocked if we ended up trading him. Josh is playing great. He’s working his butt off." National media reports generally say a Gordon trade is possible, but likely will not happen. We still wouldn't bet against it.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal

ESPN's Adam Caplan also posted this yesterday --- "On #Browns WR Josh Gordon, he's been on the trade block for several weeks, source said. Banner wants him out, very clear, source said."

Now we know why.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

Rotoworld:

Browns CEO Joe Banner was noncommittal on the possibility of a Josh Gordon trade, but insisted he'd be "completely shocked" if Gordon were dealt before the October 29 deadline.
The deadline is next Tuesday at 4PM ET. "If you’re in this long enough, you learn to never say anything absolute, because then something comes up and you look like you lied," Banner said. "I personally — and I think anybody here — would be completely shocked if we ended up trading him. Josh is playing great. He’s working his butt off." National media reports generally say a Gordon trade is possible, but likely will not happen. We still wouldn't bet against it.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal

ESPN's Adam Caplan also posted this yesterday --- "On #Browns WR Josh Gordon, he's been on the trade block for several weeks, source said. Banner wants him out, very clear, source said."

Now we know why.

Million dollar talent with a 5 cent brain

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Rotoworld:

Browns CEO Joe Banner was noncommittal on the possibility of a Josh Gordon trade, but insisted he'd be "completely shocked" if Gordon were dealt before the October 29 deadline.
The deadline is next Tuesday at 4PM ET. "If you’re in this long enough, you learn to never say anything absolute, because then something comes up and you look like you lied," Banner said. "I personally — and I think anybody here — would be completely shocked if we ended up trading him. Josh is playing great. He’s working his butt off." National media reports generally say a Gordon trade is possible, but likely will not happen. We still wouldn't bet against it.

Source: Akron Beacon-Journal

ESPN's Adam Caplan also posted this yesterday --- "On #Browns WR Josh Gordon, he's been on the trade block for several weeks, source said. Banner wants him out, very clear, source said."

Now we know why.

Well, we always knew why.

 

[KellysHeroes]

all for merging the Josh Gordon threads

 

[Faust]

Josh Gordon will participate in Cleveland Browns OTAs this week while awaiting word on suspension

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Josh Gordon will participate in Cleveland Browns OTAs this week while awaiting word on suspension

"Gordon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus is in the process of appealing the suspension, which could be an indefinite ban. If Gordon is suspended indefinitely, he'll have to apply for re-instatement with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell."

Ouch!

 

[towney]

Anyone think he gets a lower then 8 game suspension? He was going to be a keeper for me this year but now thinking he's not worth the roster spot.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

Josh Gordon will participate in Cleveland Browns OTAs this week while awaiting word on suspension

"Gordon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus is in the process of appealing the suspension, which could be an indefinite ban. If Gordon is suspended indefinitely, he'll have to apply for re-instatement with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell."Ouch!

Of course it could be. Or it could be 4-6 games. Or it could be 8 games. Or it could be 16 games. Hell it could be no games if they win the appeal.

 

[Soulfly3]

Josh Gordon will participate in Cleveland Browns OTAs this week while awaiting word on suspension

"Gordon's agent, Drew Rosenhaus is in the process of appealing the suspension, which could be an indefinite ban. If Gordon is suspended indefinitely, he'll have to apply for re-instatement with NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell."

Ouch!

COULD be.

All you need to know

love the sensationalist writing based on zero knowledge of what's going on behind the scenes.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Gordon's weed is the normal mans masturbation, couldn't stop if he wanted to

 

[Soulfly3]

Gordon's weed is the normal mans masturbation, couldn't stop if he wanted to

nor should he have to

 

[Milkman]

It's weed. It's ridiculous.

 

[LawFitz]

It's weed. It's ridiculous.

Dumb rule. Dumber player.

 

[Soulfly3]

Ugh, 4-6 games without my boy Gordon.

torture

 

[PlasmaDogPlasma]

Ugh, 4-6 games without my boy Gordon.

torture

Where are you getting that from?

 

[Donnybrook]

The rule was outdated 10 years ago when the league banned Ricky Williams. I really hated how the league (especially Goodell) treated Ricky back then and still dislike Goodell to this day because of it. It going to be interesting how he handles the situation with Jim Irsay if and when they get around to it.

 

[jdoggydogg]

It's weed. It's ridiculous.

Dumb rule. Dumber player.

I am a proponent of legalizing marijuana. Our laws on this issue are ridiculous.

But Gordon is a complete idiot.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

Ugh, 4-6 games without my boy Gordon.

torture

Where are you getting that from?

his own head

 

[Soulfly3]

6 days, no tweets...

today, after news about the appeal - back to the tweet

he's in a good mood. Get your popcorn ready, Gordon fans

 

[cdubz]

6 days, no tweets...

today, after news about the appeal - back to the tweet

he's in a good mood. Get your popcorn ready, Gordon fans

For the sake of Gordon owners everywhere, here is hoping you are right!

 

[Carl Eller's Dead Liver]

Ugh, 4-6 games without my boy Gordon.

torture

All of us Gordon owners better pray it's only 4-6 games! Honestly 16 games might kill his career......1 entire year without organized football could be devastating to his career in the long haul. Does he stay out of trouble for that year? Does he stay in shape? Does he forget how to run routes and turns into basically a wash for the suspension year + his first year back? Does he say screw it and retire? Honestly, if it's 4-6 games we all should be jumping for joy!

 

[maf005]

Has anyone traded for Gordon this offseason? What's the rate?

 

[Bayhawks]

Ugh, 4-6 games without my boy Gordon.

torture

I know you want to remain positive, and you keep trumpeting this "short" of a suspension, but there is NO basis for this belief.

Some of us come to these threads for actual information, so please, unless you actually have a source/link/information to support that Gordon will face that short a suspension (which he most likely won't), please stop saying it. It's not like if you keep posting it, the NFL will somehow be "tricked" into a shorter suspension.

 

[Soulfly3]

Ugh, 4-6 games without my boy Gordon.

torture

I know you want to remain positive, and you keep trumpeting this "short" of a suspension, but there is NO basis for this belief.

Some of us come to these threads for actual information, so please, unless you actually have a source/link/information to support that Gordon will face that short a suspension (which he most likely won't), please stop saying it. It's not like if you keep posting it, the NFL will somehow be "tricked" into a shorter suspension.

So using the literature directly from the NFL Substance Abuse Policy to make my claim for length of suspension isn't good enough for you?

Carry on then.

Let's just use twitter sources

 

[cstu]

Ugh, 4-6 games without my boy Gordon.

torture

I know you want to remain positive, and you keep trumpeting this "short" of a suspension, but there is NO basis for this belief.

Some of us come to these threads for actual information, so please, unless you actually have a source/link/information to support that Gordon will face that short a suspension (which he most likely won't), please stop saying it. It's not like if you keep posting it, the NFL will somehow be "tricked" into a shorter suspension.

So using the literature directly from the NFL Substance Abuse Policy to make my claim for length of suspension isn't good enough for you?

Carry on then.

Let's just use twitter sources

Here's what we know:

He failed 3 tests in college.

Failed a test for codeine and one other test that to get suspended 4 games (reduced to 2).

Now reportedly failed another test.

That's 6 tests we know he's failed in less than 4 years (he was first suspended from Baylor in October 2010).

Last June, Banner said after the codeine test “Gordon knows that the rope that’s left isn’t long" and he still gets busted again.

Dude knows how close to being out of the league he is and still can't stop using drugs. He's got a serious problem.

 

[Soulfly3]

Failed a test for codeine and one other test that to get suspended 4 games (reduced to 2).

uhhhh, no.

he was suspended for the codeine. nothing more, nothing less.

1 suspension in the NFL.

 

[cstu]

Failed a test for codeine and one other test that to get suspended 4 games (reduced to 2).

uhhhh, no.

he was suspended for the codeine. nothing more, nothing less.

1 suspension in the NFL.

You need to reread the rules because a player doesn't get their first NFL suspension until they've failed two tests.

 

[matttyl]

Unless a special rule was made due to his unusual circumstances in coming into the league via the supplemental draft and numerous college suspensions. Couldn't he have come into the league with a Mark on his record, or does his record "start fresh" once he joined an NFL roster?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Ugh, 4-6 games without my boy Gordon.

torture

I know you want to remain positive, and you keep trumpeting this "short" of a suspension, but there is NO basis for this belief.

Some of us come to these threads for actual information, so please, unless you actually have a source/link/information to support that Gordon will face that short a suspension (which he most likely won't), please stop saying it. It's not like if you keep posting it, the NFL will somehow be "tricked" into a shorter suspension.

So using the literature directly from the NFL Substance Abuse Policy to make my claim for length of suspension isn't good enough for you?

Carry on then.

Let's just use twitter sources

Here's what we know:

He failed 3 tests in college.

Failed a test for codeine and one other test that to get suspended 4 games (reduced to 2).

Now reportedly failed another test.

That's 6 tests we know he's failed in less than 4 years (he was first suspended from Baylor in October 2010).

Last June, Banner said after the codeine test “Gordon knows that the rope that’s left isn’t long" and he still gets busted again.

Dude knows how close to being out of the league he is and still can't stop using drugs. He's got a serious problem.

Correct.....and that is why I don't get the support for him.......When did the punishment of bad behavior become a bad thing?

 

[Soulfly3]

Failed a test for codeine and one other test that to get suspended 4 games (reduced to 2).

uhhhh, no.

he was suspended for the codeine. nothing more, nothing less.

1 suspension in the NFL.

You need to reread the rules because a player doesn't get their first NFL suspension until they've failed two tests.

unless they entered the league in stage 2, which is basically widely accepted as the case due to college indiscretions.

If you can find me ANY evidence that Gordon has failed two tests in the NFL prior to this, then by all means...

 

[Coeur de Lion]

Dude knows how close to being out of the league he is and still can't stop using drugs. He's got a serious problem.

And for dynasty FF purposes, the length of his pending suspension means nothing. This one certainly puts him in stage 3 if he wasn't there already. And from there it's only a matter of time in all likelihood.

I hope he can get clean as the NFL is a more exciting league with him in it, but the odds are stacked against him.

 

[cstu]

The first positive test for a "substance of abuse" results in the player formally entering an enhanced testing/treatment program, where the player is tested more frequently.

A second positive test results in the player entering the "stages of intervention" outlined in the policy. "Stage 1" is the first stage in the policy and includes the player being referred to a "Regional Team" for his treatment. In Stage 1, the player can be tested as many times as the league's "Medical Director" desires to "adequately evaluate the player."

A positive test while in Stage 1 can result in a fine equal to three weeks of a player's pay and results in entrance to Stage 2.

A player remains under Stage 1 guidelines for 90 days, but the league's Medical Director can extend that time up to six months.

In Stage 2, players are subject to unannounced testing up to 10 times a month. A positive test while in Stage 2 or failure to comply with the treatment program results in a fine equal to four game checks and a four-game suspension.

Six-game suspensions are also possible in Stage 2.

Players can appeal the fine and suspension within five business days of receiving the "notice of discipline."

Players remain in Stage 2 for two full seasons or 24 consecutive months, whichever is shorter.

Players move to Stage 3 if they have two positive tests when in Stage 2 or one positive test to go with one instance when the player failed to comply with the program.

Players who are placed into Stage 3 remain in Stage 3 for the remainder of their careers.

The minimum suspension for a violation in Stage 3 is a calendar year.

Read more: NFL's substance abuse and performance-enhancing drugs policies - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/ci_23711278/nfls-substance-abuse-and-performance-enhancing-drugs-policies#ixzz32GpwuDnA

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A player does not get a suspension until they are in Stage 2. Now he's failed another test which puts him in Stage 3 (the rest of his career) and has a minimum of a year suspension coming.

 

[Soulfly3]

I know what the NFLPA policy states... Ive used it on here many times.

You still haven't shown me ANY evidence that says Gordon has failed more than ONE test to date (prior to this)

 

[cstu]

I know what the NFLPA policy states... Ive used it on here many times.

You still haven't shown me ANY evidence that says Gordon has failed more than ONE test to date (prior to this)

Players don't get suspended on their first failed test, read above.

 

[Soulfly3]

I know what the NFLPA policy states... Ive used it on here many times.

You still haven't shown me ANY evidence that says Gordon has failed more than ONE test to date (prior to this)

Players don't get suspended on their first failed test, read above.

He's failed one test though.

 

[fridayfrenzy]

If you can find me ANY evidence that Gordon has failed two tests in the NFL prior to this, then by all means...

Show me evidence that Justin Blackmon had two failed tests before his indefinite suspension.

 

[Soulfly3]

If you can find me ANY evidence that Gordon has failed two tests in the NFL prior to this, then by all means...

Show me evidence that Justin Blackmon had two failed tests before his indefinite suspension.

are you serious?

 

[fridayfrenzy]

If you can find me ANY evidence that Gordon has failed two tests in the NFL prior to this, then by all means...

Show me evidence that Justin Blackmon had two failed tests before his indefinite suspension.

are you serious?

I take it you don't have the evidence. TIA.

 

[BustedKnuckles]

oh ya ??? ya !!!! OH YA ????? YA !!!!!!!! (rinse /repeat)

 

[Soulfly3]

If you can find me ANY evidence that Gordon has failed two tests in the NFL prior to this, then by all means...

Show me evidence that Justin Blackmon had two failed tests before his indefinite suspension.

are you serious?

I take it you don't have the evidence. TIA.

no, hold on... Im still trying to dig up Gordon's arrest records so we can compare them on even terms.