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IIRC there were a bunch of cases of DUI/DWI that got thrown out around the country after the calibration of the equipment was called into question. With police not doing annual or semi annual calibration, the breathalizer devices were inconsistent and unreliable enough to place reasonable doubt on their reading. I wouldn't be surprised if the same thing is happening here.Bracie Smathers said:
Hoping < > expecting. I own Kenny Britt in every league. I'm hoping he goes for 1800 yards too. But I'm expecting much, much less.
Nevertheless he's still acting like a complete knucklehead that hasn't learned a thing. He's still hanging out with pot smokers and speeding.Ketamine Dreams said:
I'd take Beckham and Thompkins, but would exchange Thompkins for a similarly valued player/pick I liked more if given the choice.
That isn't entirely accurate. It is certain that he is still, in fact, hanging out with people who smoke weed.Coeur de Lion said:
I think if he was hanging out with guys who were smoking to the point that he tested positive based on the NFL ctireria then yeah he should face the penalty. He's tested positive how many times now? I also think the odds he didn't smoke and just hung out are extremely low given his past. When you have a checkered reputation, as Gordon does, it's more important that you stay as far away from this kind of stuff as possible. Unfortunately this isn't the same as a guy who's never failed a test.
So you think that he should be suspended for hanging out with pot smokers even if he wasn't smoking?
It's a fair point. I am not willing to say definitively whether or not he smoked but in a situation where he did not smoke I disagree that he should be punished just for hanging out with people who are smoking.
The Mayo Clinic's website about such testing says that amounts > 15ng/mL are a strong indicator the person has used marijuana.
I haven't received any offers yet but I bought him earlier this offseason for Andrew Hawkins and Joseph Fauria
No. Being in a room where they pumped smoke in for 24 hours yielded a test in the 3-4 ng range. We're looking at 14-15 ng here.
in gordons defense how is one sample ok? yet the other not? seems weird, maybe he only brought 1 vial of fake pee with him?
This isn't right at all. I was on probation for two years and had positive tests from second hand smoke yet their threshold was higher than the NFL... It was 25 ngs. I've tested in the 30s for being at a house party the day before a random test. For the NFL to have a threshold of 15 is absolutely ridiculous. The Olympics changed their to 150ngs a year ago I believe.
That reminds me of Shawn King. I remember when he finally got caught by the NFL with his fake pee. He always saved up clean pee in Gatorade bottles, and he dropped his last bottle, and the pee spilled everywhere so he called his girlfriend, and she expressed him some via the mail. His urine sample came back positive for being pregnant.
Onterio Smith had the Wizzonator.That reminds me of Shawn King. I remember when he finally got caught by the NFL with his fake pee. He always saved up clean pee in Gatorade bottles, and he dropped his last bottle, and the pee spilled everywhere so he called his girlfriend, and she expressed him some via the mail. His urine sample came back positive for being pregnant.
This second hand defense is completely sound. I would guarantee any clinical rehab counselor could verify it. The threshold is so small it wouldn't take much at all to get a positive reading... Such as riding in a car with someone who was puffing... Which he had been doing and was pinched for.
Lol is that a true story!? That's hilariousThat reminds me of Shawn King. I remember when he finally got caught by the NFL with his fake pee. He always saved up clean pee in Gatorade bottles, and he dropped his last bottle, and the pee spilled everywhere so he called his girlfriend, and she expressed him some via the mail. His urine sample came back positive for being pregnant.
Based on my ten years of experience as a family court social worker, I can offer some anecdotal evidence of my own: 100% of people testing (+) for weed play the "must have been second hand" card, and the judge / magistrate buys it 0% of the time. Because the non-anecdotal evidence says it's total BS. Tons of scientific studies out there prove that it's damn near impossible to test positive just from second hand smoke.
Bogus. Most, if not all, of the peer reviewed literature suggests second hand smoke is highly unlikely to result in a 15 uh/L positive test, except in severe cases.
Exactly. I'm unimpressed by rehab counselor anecdotal accounts when presented with the research on this.
Most employers have thresholds triple that. I can understand using the norm of 50 ngs or more as a threshold and saying with certainty that it couldn't happen, but with such a low threshold I don't think it's such a certainty. I had been a regular smoker since high school and entered a probation and rehab program when I was 22. I stopped smoking and it took me 4 months to pee clean and I came up positive after partying in a basement at a house party for a few hours. There were blunts and a volcano down there. The clinic said their threshold was 25 and I came in around 30. I said I was told I had nothing to worry about with second hand smoke... I was told wrong.
I would imagine the results would highly depend on the potency of the weed they pumped into the room vs the potency of the weed that produced the 2nd hand smoke in Gordon's case. I would imagine Gordon and his friends smoke 'da bomb.
just for reference whats the standard at like a regular job screening? must be higher than probation or the NFL
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