WR Josh Gordon, KC (5 Viewers)

[Sabertooth]

I wonder if the same people who believe Gordon only had second hand smoke also believe that Manziel was only making a mini telescope in the bathroom.

This second hand defense is completely sound. I would guarantee any clinical rehab counselor could verify it. The threshold is so small it wouldn't take much at all to get a positive reading... Such as riding in a car with someone who was puffing... Which he had been doing and was pinched for.

Based on my ten years of experience as a family court social worker, I can offer some anecdotal evidence of my own: 100% of people testing (+) for weed play the "must have been second hand" card, and the judge / magistrate buys it 0% of the time. Because the non-anecdotal evidence says it's total BS. Tons of scientific studies out there prove that it's damn near impossible to test positive just from second hand smoke.

Unless you happened to lead the league in receiving yards at 23 meaning you just might be a future MVP.

 

[werdnoynek]

how close you gotta be to second hand smoke for it to register? sheesh, Im not buying it one bit.

Sitting on a couch or in a car seems like it would be close enough.

No. Being in a room where they pumped smoke in for 24 hours yielded a test in the 3-4 ng range. We're looking at 14-15 ng here.As far as I can tell readings that high(!) are theoretically possible if you're sitting in a deep fog for hours, but are very unlikely otherwise.

And, again, either way Gordon's got no one to blame but himself.

I would imagine the results would highly depend on the potency of the weed they pumped into the room vs the potency of the weed that produced the 2nd hand smoke in Gordon's case. I would imagine Gordon and his friends smoke 'da bomb.

They aren't smoking the reefer most of you smoked back in the day anymore folks... This is high grade, high thc, high quality sticky icky we're talking about. I read somewhere that even up until the year 2000 it was rare (like less than 5% in the US) to find the feminized flower that is prevalent today aka sinsemilla. The sinsemilla is the stuff that's more than 50% more potent than that brick weed shipped from Mexico or the stuff you likely smoked in highschool 30 years ago.Eta: source -http://www.leafly.com/news/headlines/that-strong-stuff-why-is-cannabis-now-so-diff

 

[werdnoynek]

how close you gotta be to second hand smoke for it to register? sheesh, Im not buying it one bit.

Sitting on a couch or in a car seems like it would be close enough.

No. Being in a room where they pumped smoke in for 24 hours yielded a test in the 3-4 ng range. We're looking at 14-15 ng here.As far as I can tell readings that high(!) are theoretically possible if you're sitting in a deep fog for hours, but are very unlikely otherwise.

And, again, either way Gordon's got no one to blame but himself.

This isn't right at all. I was on probation for two years and had positive tests from second hand smoke yet their threshold was higher than the NFL... It was 25 ngs. I've tested in the 30s for being at a house party the day before a random test. For the NFL to have a threshold of 15 is absolutely ridiculous. The Olympics changed their to 150ngs a year ago I believe.

just for reference whats the standard at like a regular job screening? must be higher than probation or the NFL

The military and most companies that still test are 50 ngs from my understanding. The olympics recently upped their threshold to 150. Same with MMA.

The NCAA on the other hand is 5... It's no wonder so many kids test positive.

 

[KellysHeroes]

This is your last chance to get something for him

Honestly I would be buying on this news. Still gambling though.

Nevertheless he's still acting like a complete knucklehead that hasn't learned a thing. He's still hanging out with pot smokers and speeding.

So you think that he should be suspended for hanging out with pot smokers even if he wasn't smoking?

Well, obviously yes if the NFL is testing that strong; and josh agreed to those terms when he joined the league

 

[amnesiac]

what are the odds he's tested positive since May?

 

[KellysHeroes]

They gotta give him the ban, they gave him a break last yr and hes still bending the rules.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

I wonder if the same people who believe Gordon only had second hand smoke also believe that Manziel was only making a mini telescope in the bathroom.

This second hand defense is completely sound. I would guarantee any clinical rehab counselor could verify it. The threshold is so small it wouldn't take much at all to get a positive reading... Such as riding in a car with someone who was puffing... Which he had been doing and was pinched for.

Based on my ten years of experience as a family court social worker, I can offer some anecdotal evidence of my own: 100% of people testing (+) for weed play the "must have been second hand" card, and the judge / magistrate buys it 0% of the time. Because the non-anecdotal evidence says it's total BS. Tons of scientific studies out there prove that it's damn near impossible to test positive just from second hand smoke.

Unless you happened to lead the league in receiving yards at 23 meaning you just might be a future MVP.

Guess we'll see. I'm guessing that Goddell will just follow the policy. Your typical NFL fan probably doesn't even know who Gordon is unless they live in Cleveland or play FF.

 

[Coeur de Lion]

They gotta give him the ban, they gave him a break last yr and hes still bending the rules.

Bending? Try taking a giant dump on the league given everything that's gone down this offseason. He's certainly leading the league in "fewest ####s given" this year, if nothing else.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Claiming "second hand" doesn't have any weight.

It's still your choices.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

I wonder if the same people who believe Gordon only had second hand smoke also believe that Manziel was only making a mini telescope in the bathroom.

This second hand defense is completely sound. I would guarantee any clinical rehab counselor could verify it. The threshold is so small it wouldn't take much at all to get a positive reading... Such as riding in a car with someone who was puffing... Which he had been doing and was pinched for.

Bogus. Most, if not all, of the peer reviewed literature suggests second hand smoke is highly unlikely to result in a 15 uh/L positive test, except in severe cases.

Most employers have thresholds triple that. I can understand using the norm of 50 ngs or more as a threshold and saying with certainty that it couldn't happen, but with such a low threshold I don't think it's such a certainty. I had been a regular smoker since high school and entered a probation and rehab program when I was 22. I stopped smoking and it took me 4 months to pee clean and I came up positive after partying in a basement at a house party for a few hours. There were blunts and a volcano down there. The clinic said their threshold was 25 and I came in around 30. I said I was told I had nothing to worry about with second hand smoke... I was told wrong.

I'm sorry this happened to you. Seems really weird, given how this doesn't fit with the voluminous literature that indicates such an occurrence would be exceedingly unlikely. Perhaps you were partying so hard, you misremembered portions of the night and aren't accurately detailing the events here?

 

[werdnoynek]

I wonder if the same people who believe Gordon only had second hand smoke also believe that Manziel was only making a mini telescope in the bathroom.

This second hand defense is completely sound. I would guarantee any clinical rehab counselor could verify it. The threshold is so small it wouldn't take much at all to get a positive reading... Such as riding in a car with someone who was puffing... Which he had been doing and was pinched for.

Bogus. Most, if not all, of the peer reviewed literature suggests second hand smoke is highly unlikely to result in a 15 uh/L positive test, except in severe cases.

Most employers have thresholds triple that. I can understand using the norm of 50 ngs or more as a threshold and saying with certainty that it couldn't happen, but with such a low threshold I don't think it's such a certainty. I had been a regular smoker since high school and entered a probation and rehab program when I was 22. I stopped smoking and it took me 4 months to pee clean and I came up positive after partying in a basement at a house party for a few hours. There were blunts and a volcano down there. The clinic said their threshold was 25 and I came in around 30. I said I was told I had nothing to worry about with second hand smoke... I was told wrong.

I'm sorry this happened to you. Seems really weird, given how this doesn't fit with the voluminous literature that indicates such an occurrence would be exceedingly unlikely.

I'd hazard to guess most of the literature is limited by the classification of marijuana as a schedule 1 substance. I'd be happy to test the product that is on the market today for them and I'm sure there will be different results.

 

[Sabertooth]

I don't think it hinges on the second hand smoke at all. I think it hinges on that second sample being different than the first. How can we know if either is right if they are different? That's the angle they'll take. If the test was faulty at all then neither test can be used to deprive this kid of millions of dollars.

 

[Mainevent]

Received an offer for Gordon, 2016 1st, 2015 2nd, and M. Wheaton...

That was over 10 days ago, before this news broke.

Don't see how he can be moved (unless its for far more than current market value), when he's on the field he can single handidly win games for you.

WR's of this calibre come around only so often, even with the risk associated with him, trading him for future picks is silly.

All those picks are a roll of a dice too, and may not have the same upside Gordon presents.

He's clearly not the brightest kid, but he's young, he's got time to change.

Doesn't look good for him right now, he may get back on the field this year... and he may not.

But, you'll be sitting a lot better if you are holding him when/if he does play again - specially if all you are getting in return is more darts.

My two cents as a Gordon owner.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

I wonder if the same people who believe Gordon only had second hand smoke also believe that Manziel was only making a mini telescope in the bathroom.

This second hand defense is completely sound. I would guarantee any clinical rehab counselor could verify it. The threshold is so small it wouldn't take much at all to get a positive reading... Such as riding in a car with someone who was puffing... Which he had been doing and was pinched for.

Bogus. Most, if not all, of the peer reviewed literature suggests second hand smoke is highly unlikely to result in a 15 uh/L positive test, except in severe cases.

Most employers have thresholds triple that. I can understand using the norm of 50 ngs or more as a threshold and saying with certainty that it couldn't happen, but with such a low threshold I don't think it's such a certainty. I had been a regular smoker since high school and entered a probation and rehab program when I was 22. I stopped smoking and it took me 4 months to pee clean and I came up positive after partying in a basement at a house party for a few hours. There were blunts and a volcano down there. The clinic said their threshold was 25 and I came in around 30. I said I was told I had nothing to worry about with second hand smoke... I was told wrong.

I'm sorry this happened to you. Seems really weird, given how this doesn't fit with the voluminous literature that indicates such an occurrence would be exceedingly unlikely.

I'd hazard to guess most of the literature is limited by the classification of marijuana as a schedule 1 substance. I'd be happy to test the product that is on the market today for them and I'm sure there will be different results.

I'm sure you think that's true.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

Received an offer for Gordon, 2016 1st, 2015 2nd, and M. Wheaton...

That was over 10 days ago, before this news broke.

Don't see how he can be moved (unless its for far more than current market value), when he's on the field he can single handidly win games for you.

WR's of this calibre come around only so often, even with the risk associated with him, trading him for future picks is silly.

All those picks are a roll of a dice too, and may not have the same upside Gordon presents.

He's clearly not the brightest kid, but he's young, he's got time to change.

Doesn't look good for him right now, he may get back on the field this year... and he may not.

But, you'll be sitting a lot better if you are holding him when/if he does play again - specially if all you are getting in return is more darts.

My two cents as a Gordon owner.

Assume with confidence he will be suspended for the year. Assume with confidence he has problems he still has not sorted out. Assume past behavior is the best predictor of future events. Consider the not-so-curious case of Justin Blackmon. Now consider you are being offered two draft picks and a promising young receiver. I would have hit Accept in a heartbeat on that offer.

 

[Adam Harstad]

@MaryKayCabot: Some facts in most recent Gordon post: he's tested positive 3 times in NFL: rookie yr for marijuana, last yr for codeine, offseason pot test

The failed test his rookie year is new, as far as I know. I don't think we'd ever had reports of a confirmed failed test prior to the codeine, only speculation. That would also fill in some gaps in the story of how he got to stage 3 (those existence of those gaps being the primary reason we were speculating he had another failed test lurking somewhere in his history).

 

[Sabertooth]

Received an offer for Gordon, 2016 1st, 2015 2nd, and M. Wheaton...

That was over 10 days ago, before this news broke.

Don't see how he can be moved (unless its for far more than current market value), when he's on the field he can single handidly win games for you.

WR's of this calibre come around only so often, even with the risk associated with him, trading him for future picks is silly.

All those picks are a roll of a dice too, and may not have the same upside Gordon presents.

He's clearly not the brightest kid, but he's young, he's got time to change.

Doesn't look good for him right now, he may get back on the field this year... and he may not.

But, you'll be sitting a lot better if you are holding him when/if he does play again - specially if all you are getting in return is more darts.

My two cents as a Gordon owner.

I kind of agree with this. Players like Gordon are so rare. I mean Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss are the only players close to Gordon at age 22. And he was almost 240 yards better than those two in 2 fewer games. He's done things no player has ever done before....ever!

He'll play again. Of this I am certain. I'm not selling him. I'd need to get multiple first rounders. Or a player I really like. He's Randy Moss with work ethic.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

@MaryKayCabot: Some facts in most recent Gordon post: he's tested positive 3 times in NFL: rookie yr for marijuana, last yr for codeine, offseason pot test

The failed test his rookie year is new, as far as I know. I don't think we'd ever had reports of a confirmed failed test prior to the codeine, only speculation. That would also fill in some gaps in the story of how he got to stage 3 (those existence of those gaps being the primary reason we were speculating he had another failed test lurking somewhere in his history).

Can't believe a word she says or writes. She will change her story next week.

 

[Sabertooth]

@MaryKayCabot: Some facts in most recent Gordon post: he's tested positive 3 times in NFL: rookie yr for marijuana, last yr for codeine, offseason pot test

The failed test his rookie year is new, as far as I know. I don't think we'd ever had reports of a confirmed failed test prior to the codeine, only speculation. That would also fill in some gaps in the story of how he got to stage 3 (those existence of those gaps being the primary reason we were speculating he had another failed test lurking somewhere in his history).

Can't believe a word she says or writes. She will change her story next week.

Is she the one who said Manziel was the first overall pick?

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

He's Randy Moss with work ethic.

And 89,823 drug tests each year for the rest of his career. Good luck with that.

And, no, he's nowhere close to Randy Moss talent.

 

[werdnoynek]

I wonder if the same people who believe Gordon only had second hand smoke also believe that Manziel was only making a mini telescope in the bathroom.

This second hand defense is completely sound. I would guarantee any clinical rehab counselor could verify it. The threshold is so small it wouldn't take much at all to get a positive reading... Such as riding in a car with someone who was puffing... Which he had been doing and was pinched for.

Bogus. Most, if not all, of the peer reviewed literature suggests second hand smoke is highly unlikely to result in a 15 uh/L positive test, except in severe cases.

Most employers have thresholds triple that. I can understand using the norm of 50 ngs or more as a threshold and saying with certainty that it couldn't happen, but with such a low threshold I don't think it's such a certainty. I had been a regular smoker since high school and entered a probation and rehab program when I was 22. I stopped smoking and it took me 4 months to pee clean and I came up positive after partying in a basement at a house party for a few hours. There were blunts and a volcano down there. The clinic said their threshold was 25 and I came in around 30. I said I was told I had nothing to worry about with second hand smoke... I was told wrong.

I'm sorry this happened to you. Seems really weird, given how this doesn't fit with the voluminous literature that indicates such an occurrence would be exceedingly unlikely.

I'd hazard to guess most of the literature is limited by the classification of marijuana as a schedule 1 substance. I'd be happy to test the product that is on the market today for them and I'm sure there will be different results.

I'm sure you think that's true.

I'm sure it is. I'm not saying the literature out there is wrong.

Get out your tin foil hats boys... I'm saying the DEA likely squashes anything that could interrupt their war on drugs. I think they'd love to prevent people from using a second hand defense to get out of continued probation or second offenses... the government filters the studies and literature that comes out and have been doing so since the 70's. It was discovered in 1974 that THC could shrink tumors in mice... but the DEA shut down the studies and destroyed the research. (a quick google search found this article from 2000 - http://www.alternet.org/story/9257/pot_shrinks_tumors%3B_government_knew_in_'74 but there are many more out there confirming this). It's well known the DEA has been doing this in recent times as well to keep their drug war going. They prevent and destroy testing that goes against their propaganda.

#freejoshgordon

 

[karmarooster]

I wonder if the same people who believe Gordon only had second hand smoke also believe that Manziel was only making a mini telescope in the bathroom.

This second hand defense is completely sound. I would guarantee any clinical rehab counselor could verify it. The threshold is so small it wouldn't take much at all to get a positive reading... Such as riding in a car with someone who was puffing... Which he had been doing and was pinched for.

Bogus. Most, if not all, of the peer reviewed literature suggests second hand smoke is highly unlikely to result in a 15 uh/L positive test, except in severe cases.

Most employers have thresholds triple that. I can understand using the norm of 50 ngs or more as a threshold and saying with certainty that it couldn't happen, but with such a low threshold I don't think it's such a certainty. I had been a regular smoker since high school and entered a probation and rehab program when I was 22. I stopped smoking and it took me 4 months to pee clean and I came up positive after partying in a basement at a house party for a few hours. There were blunts and a volcano down there. The clinic said their threshold was 25 and I came in around 30. I said I was told I had nothing to worry about with second hand smoke... I was told wrong.

I'm sorry this happened to you. Seems really weird, given how this doesn't fit with the voluminous literature that indicates such an occurrence would be exceedingly unlikely.

I'd hazard to guess most of the literature is limited by the classification of marijuana as a schedule 1 substance. I'd be happy to test the product that is on the market today for them and I'm sure there will be different results.

I'm sure you think that's true.

NARC

 

[Hankmoody]

He's Randy Moss with work ethic.

And 89,823 drug tests each year for the rest of his career. Good luck with that.

And, no, he's nowhere close to Randy Moss talent.

He's absolutely Moss talent. He'll likely never realize it because he can't comprehend that there are consequences for his decisions, but his physical talent is undeniable.

 

[The Claymaker]

I just wish he would be suspended indefinitely so everyone can move on. I'm sick of these idiots being given multiple chances and continuing to not give a crap.

 

[jurb26]

He's Randy Moss with work ethic.

And 89,823 drug tests each year for the rest of his career. Good luck with that.

And, no, he's nowhere close to Randy Moss talent.

He's absolutely Moss talent. He'll likely never realize it because he can't comprehend that there are consequences for his decisions, but his physical talent is undeniable.

his physical talent is undeniable but undeniably less than Moss at the same time. Let's get a grip here and stop the hyperbole.

 

[ROYALWITCHEESE]

I wonder if the same people who believe Gordon only had second hand smoke also believe that Manziel was only making a mini telescope in the bathroom.

This second hand defense is completely sound. I would guarantee any clinical rehab counselor could verify it. The threshold is so small it wouldn't take much at all to get a positive reading... Such as riding in a car with someone who was puffing... Which he had been doing and was pinched for.

Bogus. Most, if not all, of the peer reviewed literature suggests second hand smoke is highly unlikely to result in a 15 uh/L positive test, except in severe cases.

Most employers have thresholds triple that. I can understand using the norm of 50 ngs or more as a threshold and saying with certainty that it couldn't happen, but with such a low threshold I don't think it's such a certainty. I had been a regular smoker since high school and entered a probation and rehab program when I was 22. I stopped smoking and it took me 4 months to pee clean and I came up positive after partying in a basement at a house party for a few hours. There were blunts and a volcano down there. The clinic said their threshold was 25 and I came in around 30. I said I was told I had nothing to worry about with second hand smoke... I was told wrong.

I'm sorry this happened to you. Seems really weird, given how this doesn't fit with the voluminous literature that indicates such an occurrence would be exceedingly unlikely.

I'd hazard to guess most of the literature is limited by the classification of marijuana as a schedule 1 substance. I'd be happy to test the product that is on the market today for them and I'm sure there will be different results.

I'm sure you think that's true.

NARC

You know who calls people NARCs? NARCs. You NARC.

 

[Dragon1952]

I don't think it hinges on the second hand smoke at all. I think it hinges on that second sample being different than the first. How can we know if either is right if they are different? That's the angle they'll take. If the test was faulty at all then neither test can be used to deprive this kid of millions of dollars.

This article seems to indicate otherwise.

http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11281430/josh-gordon-legal-team-say-second-hand-smoke-reason-positive-marijuana-test

Specifically, the quotes

"Gordon's legal team will argue that the positive tests are so marginal that they show uncertainty as to whether the test results were truly positive, and even if so, were the result of exposure to secondhand smoke, according to sources familiar with the case."

and

" Gordon's attorneys also plan to introduce witnesses who will testify that Gordon's scores indicate he was the victim of breathing in secondhand smoke, according to sources. The league has maintained that it does not intend to suspend players for secondhand smoke.

Scientific studies have shown that secondhand smoke exposure can result in the kind of test results similar to those of Gordon."

 

[cdubz]

He's Randy Moss with work ethic.

And 89,823 drug tests each year for the rest of his career. Good luck with that.

And, no, he's nowhere close to Randy Moss talent.

He's absolutely Moss talent. He'll likely never realize it because he can't comprehend that there are consequences for his decisions, but his physical talent is undeniable.

I strongly disagree.

 

[Sabertooth]

He's Randy Moss with work ethic.

And 89,823 drug tests each year for the rest of his career. Good luck with that.

And, no, he's nowhere close to Randy Moss talent.

The numbers disagree.

 

[Proust Loves Cake]

He's Randy Moss with work ethic.

And 89,823 drug tests each year for the rest of his career. Good luck with that.

And, no, he's nowhere close to Randy Moss talent.

He's absolutely Moss talent. He'll likely never realize it because he can't comprehend that there are consequences for his decisions, but his physical talent is undeniable.

Oh.

 

[karmarooster]

Mid-1st and M.Wheaton

 

[Mr Non Sequitur]

While the latest news sounds promising....

there's a reason everyone hates Gooddell. He's going to have that sh* eating look on his face while he announces that Gordon gets a year for second hand smoke while the wife-beater gets 2 games. And he's going to collect his $45 million dollar salary and not give a crap about what anyone else says.

The fact that more and more news points to how ridiculous it is to have a testing level that accounts for trace amounts of a non-performance enhancing, soon to be legalized plant... that's just going to make us hate him more.

Who could dislike Roger?

 

[KellysHeroes]

I don't think it hinges on the second hand smoke at all. I think it hinges on that second sample being different than the first. How can we know if either is right if they are different? That's the angle they'll take. If the test was faulty at all then neither test can be used to deprive this kid of millions of dollars.

This article seems to indicate otherwise.http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/11281430/josh-gordon-legal-team-say-second-hand-smoke-reason-positive-marijuana-test

Specifically, the quotes

"Gordon's legal team will argue that the positive tests are so marginal that they show uncertainty as to whether the test results were truly positive, and even if so, were the result of exposure to secondhand smoke, according to sources familiar with the case."

and

" Gordon's attorneys also plan to introduce witnesses who will testify that Gordon's scores indicate he was the victim of breathing in secondhand smoke, according to sources. The league has maintained that it does not intend to suspend players for secondhand smoke.

Scientific studies have shown that secondhand smoke exposure can result in the kind of test results similar to those of Gordon."

And I'm sure the NFL will have its own team that will raise the bs card like the rest of us, there's a reason why there using that number and I'm sure their ready to defend it. My question is why has this taken 4 months?

 

[karmarooster]

Which one of these is not like the other?

Gordon:

30 games - 137 receptions, 2539 yards, 14 TDs (85 ypg)

Moss:

32 games - 149 receptions, 2771 yards, 28 TDs (87 ypg)

Edwards:

26 games - 93 receptions, 1396 yards, 9 TDs (54 ypg)

When's the sample size going to be big enough, as a 5 year vet?

 

[cdubz]

Which one of these is not like the other?

Gordon:

30 games - 137 receptions, 2539 yards, 14 TDs (85 ypg)

Moss:

32 games - 149 receptions, 2771 yards, 28 TDs (87 ypg)

Edwards:

26 games - 93 receptions, 1396 yards, 9 TDs (54 ypg)

When's the sample size going to be big enough, as a 5 year vet?

Is it the 28 TDs?

 

[cdubz]

Which one of these is not like the other?

Gordon:

30 games - 137 receptions, 2539 yards, 14 TDs (85 ypg)

Moss:

32 games - 149 receptions, 2771 yards, 28 TDs (87 ypg)

Edwards:

26 games - 93 receptions, 1396 yards, 9 TDs (54 ypg)

When's the sample size going to be big enough, as a 5 year vet?

Is it the 28 TDs?

Gordon can be really frikkin good, top 5 NFL WR even, without being in the range of Randy Moss as a talent.

 

[jurb26]

Which one of these is not like the other?

Gordon:

30 games - 137 receptions, 2539 yards, 14 TDs (85 ypg)

Moss:

32 games - 149 receptions, 2771 yards, 28 TDs (87 ypg)

Edwards:

26 games - 93 receptions, 1396 yards, 9 TDs (54 ypg)

When's the sample size going to be big enough, as a 5 year vet?

Really, this is the defense?

 

[massraider]

He's Tommy Chong with speed and hands!

 

[karmarooster]

Calvin Johnson - 106 games, 9300 yards, 88 ypg

Gordon's sample size is one third of Megatron's career. Defense of what? I'm not necessarily defending the idea that Gordon is better than any of Moss/Megatron. But he's better than Braylon.

 

[jurb26]

Calvin Johnson - 106 games, 9300 yards, 88 ypg

Gordon's sample size is one third of Megatron's career. Defense of what? I'm not necessarily defending the idea that Gordon is better than any of Moss/Megatron. But he's better than Braylon.

Then you missed the point.

 

[karmarooster]

Calvin Johnson - 106 games, 9300 yards, 88 ypg

Gordon's sample size is one third of Megatron's career. Defense of what? I'm not necessarily defending the idea that Gordon is better than any of Moss/Megatron. But he's better than Braylon.

Then you missed the point.

Which was?

When I hear small sample size sounds I think more Drew Bennett, or Lou Bega.

 

[cstu]

While the latest news sounds promising....

there's a reason everyone hates Gooddell. He's going to have that sh* eating look on his face while he announces that Gordon gets a year for second hand smoke while the wife-beater gets 2 games. And he's going to collect his $45 million dollar salary and not give a crap about what anyone else says.

The fact that more and more news points to how ridiculous it is to have a testing level that accounts for trace amounts of a non-performance enhancing, soon to be legalized plant... that's just going to make us hate him more.

Who could dislike Roger?

Gordon's dealer.

 

[LawFitz]

After reading the latest, I predict he gets off entirely and plays 16 games this year.

 

[georg013]

Its amazing all the hate towards a player who has no bearing on your life whatsoever. If Josh Gordon playing this season affects you personally it may be time to get a life. Its like a bunch of drama queens watching a novella. The guys who are hating HOPE they wont have to face him for the upcoming season. Dont give me that morality crap. The back and forth about being fair is ridiculous. I hope he gets off and plays all 16. Not because I give a rat's tookus about the person but because I can use him to score fantasy points and secure a title . Other than that I could care less what he does with his life. So many emotional Emilys... Relax bros.

 

[FBG Moderator]

Its amazing all the hate towards a player who has no bearing on your life whatsoever. If Josh Gordon playing this season affects you personally it may be time to get a life. Its like a bunch of drama queens watching a novella. The guys who are hating HOPE they wont have to face him for the upcoming season. Dont give me that morality crap. The back and forth about being fair is ridiculous. I hope he gets off and plays all 16. Not because I give a rat's tookus about the person but because I can use him to score fantasy points and secure a title . Other than that I could care less what he does with his life. So many emotional Emilys... Relax bros.

When you return, if you post in here again please make it be about football rather than about other posters.

 

[Dismattle]

Which one of these is not like the other?

Gordon:

30 games - 137 receptions, 2539 yards, 14 TDs (85 ypg)

Moss:

32 games - 149 receptions, 2771 yards, 28 TDs (87 ypg)

Edwards:

26 games - 93 receptions, 1396 yards, 9 TDs (54 ypg)

When's the sample size going to be big enough, as a 5 year vet?

Im not exactly sure that you realize that your only showing stats. If you place M Harrisons name in place of Moss, I would imagine you would see less feedback.

But as far as Moss, its kinda like any WR could start blowin by defenders and throwin their arm up " IM Open" But to some Moss did it first. There is actually a recent post which may help w the significance of stats; Its a poll covering Moss and Sanders..

Q. Would you start a poll covering ADP and J. Gordon? If not, why (if its not sample size related)

I was gonna respond earlier to the post that you appear to be responding... Basically Moss is the Freak!

imho The most important aspect in Gordons favor is the fact that Moss joined the NFL as a Super Star. Josh may actually continue to improve! << Id suggest using this type of argument when suggesting a player may equal HOF..

 

[Deamon]

A league I'm in just drafted (way way early this year), and Gordon went undrafted. Is he worth a pick up and see what happens?

 

[spider321]

A league I'm in just drafted (way way early this year), and Gordon went undrafted. Is he worth a pick up and see what happens?

Good God yes.

If he only misses half the season, he could be the difference in a league title.

If he is suspended for the year, drop him.

 

[Deamon]

A league I'm in just drafted (way way early this year), and Gordon went undrafted. Is he worth a pick up and see what happens?

Good God yes.

If he only misses half the season, he could be the difference in a league title.

If he is suspended for the year, drop him.

Ya I have a claim in on him, just wasn't sure the general thought if this appeal had a leg to stand on or a chance to go through.

Hopefully I get him and they decide before week 1 as we don't have many bench spots.

 

[Sabertooth]

Moss and Fitz are really the only two comps I could find who have put up the numbers that Gordon has by age 22.

Maybe it means something and maybe it doesn't. But that is rare company. Hall of Fame company. If you are looking at his career potential, think of it this way. He's younger than some rookies. The only players close to him right now that's his age are Alshon and Cobb.