WR Josh Gordon, KC (7 Viewers)

[mr fancypants]

My question is ... why is anyone still trying to explain and reason with Soulfly? There's absolutely no point, and by now I'm believing most of what he's posted for the last 30 pages or so is total schtick and he's laughing his a** off as he types it.

he is a homer. Homer's aren't usually logical. They're great to tailgate with though. Between that and five hours of booze I usually end up in the stadium thinking we will win every week. Then reality and the hangover hits by the third quarter.

Could not have set it better other than add that he is way to much focused on the fantasy football aspect of it all.

 

[cobalt_27]

Honest question

If the reports are true that gordon did not FAIL a test, but missed it...

Are you all gonna keep going w the "this guy is a helpless addict" routine?

Just interested in how the narrative is going to go in this case.

Why do you find this narrative interesting? Does it, in some way, make Gordon a victim of unfair NFL/public scrutiny about his marijuana activities?

Seems pretty clear to me that being in stage 3 of the NFL's substance abuse program reflects a serious problem. Even stipulating for the sake of argument that he missed the most recent drug test, rather than produce a failed urine sample, doesn't somehow reinforce the position that he doesn't have a serious problem with marijuana--instead it suggests that, in addition to (or coinciding with) his drug problem, he is highly irresponsible and/or tone deaf to the serious nature of his situation. Compounded further by the fact that, while in stage 3 for this issue, facing near certainty of a year suspension and substantial loss of income and a step in the wrong direction toward premature end of his professional football career, he decides to surround himself with the same substance just a few days ago that has put him in this predicament in the first place.

We can dance all day around the semantics of whether or not he is a "helpless addict" all you want, and if you want to use a different label, by all means go with it. But, whatever term/label you choose, however you want to describe it, you have to do far more mental gymnastics than I and others here would have to do to suggest anything other than he has a serious problem in his relationship with marijuana.

 

[Coach3K]

It's funny how you can tell from these posts who owns Gordon in a keeper/dynasty league, and who doesn't, and hates the fact that they don't.

Jealousy is an ugly beast. But it's not like someone's feelings posted here will actually impact how this turns out. It's sad, though, how many people can pile on a guy and his character, without knowing him at all, based on limited information.

I've got a vested interest in one keeper league, but not in a couple of others. I honestly hope that this turns out well for him, since the league is better off having him on the field, getting people excited about its product.

I apologize for deviating from the forum topic - continue with the on-going character assassination.

 

[massraider]

I like rooting for the underdog

I'm rooting for you. I'm rooting for the NFL to come out and say, 'our bad! Wrong sample!'

Man, you would have a victory parade through this thread the likes of which this board has never seen.

It would be killer.

 

[Bayhawks]

My biggest regret is not keeping tally of all the insults hurled my way.

When he gets 6 gamed Im gonna quote and shame all of you.

And Ill expect an apology

1-That's your biggest regret?

2-You do know that this message board doesn't vanish when you aren't on your computer right? All the posts are still here, so if you really want to "tally" up the insults you feel have been "hurled your way," you can do so.

Back to the topic at hand. The 6 game suspension for Hill is a positive for Gordon (at least in the sense that the suspension may not be a year). For those who I questioned about whether the 2010 policy was still in effect, this seems to answer that question. Hill's suspension fits exactly within those guidelines. On the other hand, Blackmon was still suspended without reports of a a 3rd offense/failed test, which means that we aren't always privy to that information (or that other circumstances can influence the suspension length).

The speeding ticket isn't a big deal, IMO, but it just shows stupidity on Gordon's part (even IF the weed wasn't his), to allow anyone around him to have the drug on him. If he's appealing a suspension, FOR WEED, you can't get caught with it, even if it's "not mine." When Goodell is deciding on an appeal (which is going to be likely on the grounds of "I'm not using drugs, it's second-hand smoke," or "I'm not using drugs, I just missed a test"), Roger is basically going to have to decide if he believes Gordon/his agent. This news isn't going to make Gordon any more believable.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

"we were about to give Josh 6 games, until he was caught speeding. The league cannot tolerate this behavior"

You really can't be in this much denial? A few posts back I just stated that the speeding ticket was meaningless, but didn't know marijuana was found in the car. How could you possibl not see that as a big deal? The guy is facing suspicion for "allegedly" failing a drug test for marijuana and then news breaks where he was around the stuff once again.

 

[PatsWillWin]

"we were about to give Josh 6 games, until he was caught speeding. The league cannot tolerate this behavior"

You really can't be in this much denial?

Yes. Yes he can.

 

[Sabertooth]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

 

[False Start]

My biggest regret is not keeping tally of all the insults hurled my way.

When he gets 6 gamed Im gonna quote and shame all of you.

And Ill expect an apology

1-That's your biggest regret?

2-You do know that this message board doesn't vanish when you aren't on your computer right? All the posts are still here, so if you really want to "tally" up the insults you feel have been "hurled your way," you can do so.

Back to the topic at hand. The 6 game suspension for Hill is a positive for Gordon (at least in the sense that the suspension may not be a year). For those who I questioned about whether the 2010 policy was still in effect, this seems to answer that question. Hill's suspension fits exactly within those guidelines. On the other hand, Blackmon was still suspended without reports of a a 3rd offense/failed test, which means that we aren't always privy to that information (or that other circumstances can influence the suspension length).

The speeding ticket isn't a big deal, IMO, but it just shows stupidity on Gordon's part (even IF the weed wasn't his), to allow anyone around him to have the drug on him. If he's appealing a suspension, FOR WEED, you can't get caught with it, even if it's "not mine." When Goodell is deciding on an appeal (which is going to be likely on the grounds of "I'm not using drugs, it's second-hand smoke," or "I'm not using drugs, I just missed a test"), Roger is basically going to have to decide if he believes Gordon/his agent. This news isn't going to make Gordon any more believable.

From my reading of the last 10 pages, he has hurled just as many insults at other people.

 

[Adam Harstad]

It's funny how you can tell from these posts who owns Gordon in a keeper/dynasty league, and who doesn't, and hates the fact that they don't.

Jealousy is an ugly beast. But it's not like someone's feelings posted here will actually impact how this turns out. It's sad, though, how many people can pile on a guy and his character, without knowing him at all, based on limited information.

I've got a vested interest in one keeper league, but not in a couple of others. I honestly hope that this turns out well for him, since the league is better off having him on the field, getting people excited about its product.

I apologize for deviating from the forum topic - continue with the on-going character assassination.

I don't think there's a character assassination going on in here. I don't think it's character assassination to suggest that Gordon has a strong history of making bad decisions, or that he apparently has a troubling relationship with marijuana, or that he's behaving in a way that suggests he has bigger priorities than his NFL career, or that he doesn't seem particularly trustworthy going forward. I have a lot of compassion for Gordon. I have had friends who were addicts, who stole medications from their own children, who showed up to work high, who were treated with compassion and patience and who wasted opportunity after opportunity. I have a lot of compassion for them, too, and know that they are wonderful, generous, complex people who have a serious problem. Addiction isn't a character flaw, it's a disease.

I really wish these anonymous sources had respected Gordon's privacy and followed league rules. I really hope that Gordon is able to overcome his complicated relationship with drugs. If he wants to play in the NFL, I hope he is able to again. If he doesn't, I hope people are more understanding that just because they want someone to want something doesn't mean he is obligated to.

At the same time, my job here isn't to deal with hope, it's to take an objective look at the fantasy landscape and predict outcomes to the best of my ability. Sometimes those outcomes are bad. Sometimes, wonderful people lose their jobs and get kicked out of the league. Men with families and charities suffer serious injuries and get discarded. Sometimes, people struggling with addiction lose their battles. It would be a disservice to not discuss these possibilities as frankly as possible.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

 

[jurb26]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

Well, there is that Hernandez guy. He fell pretty fast as I recall...

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

I like rooting for the underdog

I'm rooting for you. I'm rooting for the NFL to come out and say, 'our bad! Wrong sample!'Man, you would have a victory parade through this thread the likes of which this board has never seen.

It would be killer.

I'm on this bandwagon.

 

[PatsWillWin]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

Well, there is that Hernandez guy. He fell pretty fast as I recall...

Yeah, but even he was like the 3rd TE. We're talking about a first round startup pick 5 weeks ago.

 

[ItsOnlytheRiver]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

Well, there is that Hernandez guy. He fell pretty fast as I recall...

Yeah, but even he was like the 3rd TE. We're talking about a first round startup pick 5 weeks ago.

To be fair, there were some smart posters on this board cautioning against doing that for this very reason that he's one failed test away.

 

[MAC_32]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

This is exactly why he wasn't tge number one wr on my board. Make it to August? Different story. Survive an offseason though.

 

[jurb26]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

Well, there is that Hernandez guy. He fell pretty fast as I recall...

Yeah, but even he was like the 3rd TE. We're talking about a first round startup pick 5 weeks ago.

I don't know about that. I think more people would have argued, and had a stronger argument as well, that Hernandez was the #1 TE than people would have argued Gordon as the #1 WR. Many people were already using the "dummy factor" with Gordon while Hernandez troubles sort of came out of nowhere.

 

[Soulfly3]

I like rooting for the underdog

I'm rooting for you. I'm rooting for the NFL to come out and say, 'our bad! Wrong sample!'

Man, you would have a victory parade through this thread the likes of which this board has never seen.

It would be killer.

Yesterday I thought, I would attack everyone who went against me.

But there are a few in particular, who really stuck it to me - Even after I used actual NFL literature (which has now been PROVEN, is still being used, re:2010)

At least that one member owned up to the fact that I was indeed using the proper documentation and that my theory makes sense.

I've said this over and over... in the end I could be dead wrong, and Ill feel the wrath of a good 30+ members about this... probably for the rest of my days on here. That's cool - I'd deserve it.

But Ive made my case as to why I believe he isn't in stage 3 and as to why I think he's only going to be dealt 6 games.

If that ends up being the case... ya, it's gonna be gosh darn sweet berry wine!!!

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

It's funny how you can tell from these posts who owns Gordon in a keeper/dynasty league, and who doesn't, and hates the fact that they don't.

Jealousy is an ugly beast. But it's not like someone's feelings posted here will actually impact how this turns out. It's sad, though, how many people can pile on a guy and his character, without knowing him at all, based on limited information.

I've got a vested interest in one keeper league, but not in a couple of others. I honestly hope that this turns out well for him, since the league is better off having him on the field, getting people excited about its product.

I apologize for deviating from the forum topic - continue with the on-going character assassination.

I don't think there's a character assassination going on in here. I don't think it's character assassination to suggest that Gordon has a strong history of making bad decisions, or that he apparently has a troubling relationship with marijuana, or that he's behaving in a way that suggests he has bigger priorities than his NFL career, or that he doesn't seem particularly trustworthy going forward.I have a lot of compassion for Gordon. I have had friends who were addicts, who stole medications from their own children, who showed up to work high, who were treated with compassion and patience and who wasted opportunity after opportunity. I have a lot of compassion for them, too, and know that they are wonderful, generous, complex people who have a serious problem. Addiction isn't a character flaw, it's a disease.

I really wish these anonymous sources had respected Gordon's privacy and followed league rules. I really hope that Gordon is able to overcome his complicated relationship with drugs. If he wants to play in the NFL, I hope he is able to again. If he doesn't, I hope people are more understanding that just because they want someone to want something doesn't mean he is obligated to.

At the same time, my job here isn't to deal with hope, it's to take an objective look at the fantasy landscape and predict outcomes to the best of my ability. Sometimes those outcomes are bad. Sometimes, wonderful people lose their jobs and get kicked out of the league. Men with families and charities suffer serious injuries and get discarded. Sometimes, people struggling with addiction lose their battles. It would be a disservice to not discuss these possibilities as frankly as possible.

I think it's interesting that pot isn't supposed to be addictive but here we have a guy who has so much on the line that, if he applied himself to the absolute max, if he landed with teh right QB and the right OC, could not only be the best player in the game (fair? if not then close?) but also the highest paid non-QB player in the league. How much future value is he standing to lose, in terms of tens of millions in yearly salary and endorsements (if he was a role model)? A hundred million over a career?

And he can't put down the pot?

 

[TxBuckeye]

They are more likely attacking you because you've mostly been acting like a doosh throughout the thread. So much so that the board owner warned you about it. I'm a Browns fan and am really, really hoping it's all bad reporting and Gordon doesn't end up suspended. But even as a Brown's fan, I can't stand your attitude in this thread even while hoping you are right. So your "facts" or their "facts" have nothing to do with the way you've been treated in the thread. Just sayin'....

 

[Soulfly3]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

I like rooting for the underdog

I'm rooting for you. I'm rooting for the NFL to come out and say, 'our bad! Wrong sample!'

Man, you would have a victory parade through this thread the likes of which this board has never seen.

It would be killer.

Yesterday I thought, I would attack everyone who went against me.

But there are a few in particular, who really stuck it to me - Even after I used actual NFL literature (which has now been PROVEN, is still being used, re:2010)

At least that one member owned up to the fact that I was indeed using the proper documentation and that my theory makes sense.

I've said this over and over... in the end I could be dead wrong, and Ill feel the wrath of a good 30+ members about this... probably for the rest of my days on here. That's cool - I'd deserve it.

But Ive made my case as to why I believe he isn't in stage 3 and as to why I think he's only going to be dealt 6 games.

If that ends up being the case... ya, it's gonna be gosh darn sweet berry wine!!!

I think everything you're saying is fair and decent and rationally optimistic. The problem is Gordon is facing a commish who is not fair, does not necessarily rely on evidence and in fact no knows what he really does rely upon. Goodell sends messages, he doesn't adjudicate. And now Gordon has laid his own agent out, as he has been telling the commish 'x, y and z' about why Gordon has not done these things and now it makes it look like the agent has been lying, that Gordon's been lying, and Goodell is going to be pretty ticked.

 

[Soulfly3]

They are more likely attacking you because you've mostly been acting like a doosh throughout the thread. So much so that the board owner warned you about it. I'm a Browns fan and am really, really hoping it's all bad reporting and Gordon doesn't end up suspended. But even as a Brown's fan, I can't stand your attitude in this thread even while hoping you are right. So your "facts" or their "facts" have nothing to do with the way you've been treated in the thread. Just sayin'....

yet it wasn't I who was given a timeout from this thread, but others.

 

[jurb26]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

Didn't he also just get pulled over for speeding and the car smelt like weed?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

Say your kid gets busted in just this situation, what do you say to him?

'Oh ok, right it wasn't your stash and you had to get behind the wheel of that car, I see, off you go then, have a fun weekend.' - ?

Or something else?

 

[Soulfly3]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

Say your kid gets busted in just this situation, what do you say to him?

'Oh ok, right it wasn't your stash and you had to get behind the wheel of that car, I see, off you go then, have a fun weekend.' - ?

Or something else?

I feel like I have to say this every few pages, for some reason (not directed at you)

I dont think Gordon is a genius. or smart. Hell, he's likely dumb.

But being around weed and using weed are two separate things. If he's not testing positive for it, that means he isn't doing it.

If the test comes back and the news breaks that he did fail a test and he gets 16 games, then he's an idiot and I'm an idiot for defending him.

But until I know the FACTS, I dont start off assassinating someone's character..

Something about the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

 

[False Start]

They are more likely attacking you because you've mostly been acting like a doosh throughout the thread. So much so that the board owner warned you about it. I'm a Browns fan and am really, really hoping it's all bad reporting and Gordon doesn't end up suspended. But even as a Brown's fan, I can't stand your attitude in this thread even while hoping you are right. So your "facts" or their "facts" have nothing to do with the way you've been treated in the thread. Just sayin'....

yet it wasn't I who was given a timeout from this thread, but others.

So why is everyone attacking you as you say if you are doing everything correct?

 

[Soulfly3]

So why is everyone attacking you as you say if you are doing everything correct?

because so many of you want to that man fail. and I do not.

 

[cdubz]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

Say your kid gets busted in just this situation, what do you say to him?

'Oh ok, right it wasn't your stash and you had to get behind the wheel of that car, I see, off you go then, have a fun weekend.' - ?

Or something else?

I think your analogy shows how messed up this situation possibly is. Goodell is not Gordon's parent and shouldn't have large discretionary powers to punish him over perceived indiscretions.

And at Soulfly, we think he hasn't tested positive yet. But the 2-gamer last year I am starting to question. Since the NFL can't release the details on what players tested positive for, it is quite possible he tested positive for THC and used the cough syrup story to garner more public sympathy. Not for sure, but I would but the odds at 50/50 at this point. Just my 2 cents.

 

[TxBuckeye]

So why is everyone attacking you as you say if you are doing everything correct?

because so many of you want to that man fail. and I do not.

As I stated, I don't want him to fail, quite the opposite. Admittedly, at this point, I don't know if you are trolling (most likely scenario) or if you are just sort of a #### in real life (less likely, but certainly possible). Either way, you've pretty much made this thread insufferable, so congrats on that.

 

[False Start]

Id suck his ####

If you were wondering why Soulfly seems so irrational about this subject...look no further. It looks as if this man crush goes well beyond FF.

This is obviously schtick. Why are others are getting suspended when this guy is trolling and speaking at irrational levels that could have people committed in 22 states when others are trying to rationally discuss what this means for Gordon. He is on the loose just ruining this thread with comments that dont even suggest he is being reasonable or could discuss this issue in a rational way.

 

[Donnybrook]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

Say your kid gets busted in just this situation, what do you say to him?

'Oh ok, right it wasn't your stash and you had to get behind the wheel of that car, I see, off you go then, have a fun weekend.' - ?

Or something else?

I feel like I have to say this every few pages, for some reason (not directed at you)

I dont think Gordon is a genius. or smart. Hell, he's likely dumb.

But being around weed and using weed are two separate things. If he's not testing positive for it, that means he isn't doing it.

If the test comes back and the news breaks that he did fail a test and he gets 16 games, then he's an idiot and I'm an idiot for defending him.

But until I know the FACTS, I dont start off assassinating someone's character..

Something about the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

This reminded me of when a Canadian snow board gold medalist tested positive for THC at the Olympics. He claimed that he ingested second-hand smoke at a party.

 

[domvin]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

The facts are this. In his situation, his stage, whether its 2 or 3, he cant smoke it and he cant be around it. The amount they test for is such a scant, myopic trace, that even second hand smoke will cause a failed test. I want to be optimistic, I have him in two leagues, but right, wrong, indifferent, he cant be exposed to it. No clubbing, no concerts, ....cant have any exposure to weed, or go to places where people are getting high. My optimism is waning....he has a passenger in the car with it (lame excuse) tells me he is an idiot.

Say your kid gets busted in just this situation, what do you say to him?

'Oh ok, right it wasn't your stash and you had to get behind the wheel of that car, I see, off you go then, have a fun weekend.' - ?

Or something else?

I feel like I have to say this every few pages, for some reason (not directed at you)

I dont think Gordon is a genius. or smart. Hell, he's likely dumb.

But being around weed and using weed are two separate things. If he's not testing positive for it, that means he isn't doing it.

If the test comes back and the news breaks that he did fail a test and he gets 16 games, then he's an idiot and I'm an idiot for defending him.

But until I know the FACTS, I dont start off assassinating someone's character..

Something about the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

 

[Soulfly3]

This reminded me of when a Canadian snow board gold medalist tested positive for THC at the Olympics. He claimed that he ingested second-hand smoke at a party.

My boy, Ross.

Still kept his gold, didn't he?

---------------------------------

As for the "he's trollin"g comments, keep them to yourselves. I'm posted more FACTUAL information in this thread than any of you who just toss around "he's an idiot, stupid stoner" "what a doosh, flushed away 100m".

Great insight.

But I'm a troll for citing NFL literature as my evidence?

Move along...

 

[Soulfly3]

Id suck his ####

If you were wondering why Soulfly seems so irrational about this subject...look no further. It looks as if this man crush goes well beyond FF.

This post was made when marijuana was still illegal.

Thus, the word "bong" was edited out.

 

[False Start]

And he can't put down the pot?

Can we wait to find out if he's testing positive for marijuana before we say he can't put it down?

Guy hasn't been suspended in the NFL for it, yet.

Say your kid gets busted in just this situation, what do you say to him?

'Oh ok, right it wasn't your stash and you had to get behind the wheel of that car, I see, off you go then, have a fun weekend.' - ?

Or something else?

I feel like I have to say this every few pages, for some reason.

Something about the whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

Do you feel the same way for Hernandez? Is OJ still innocent to you?

 

[Soulfly3]

Do you feel the same way for Hernandez? Is OJ still innocent to you?

Search the forum for me speaking ill about Hernandez. you can post the quotes here.

Hint: to save you time, you wont find any. Hasn't been found guilty yet.

As for OJ, I wasn't old enough to comprehend the legal system during those days, so I don't have an opinion on the matter.

 

[Bayhawks]

So why is everyone attacking you as you say if you are doing everything correct?

because so many of you want to that man fail. and I do not.

Don't you honestly think it's because you REFUSE to be rational or logical in this thread? Here are the facts:

1-Almost all reports from reputable sites/reporters are reporting that Gordon is facing a 1 year suspension. Gordon himself said last year that he thinks his next offense would result in a 1-year suspension.

2-You begin another thread about Gordon possibly facing a suspension, and IMMEDIATELY start making excuses: "weed can be beaten easily, no?"

"you can knock the ####### #### out of your girlfriend's face....murder someone.......but cant smoke a joint.........Great stuff, NFL," etc.

3-You posted a "rumor" that his failed test showed levels that were consistent with "second-hand smoke", then when it was pointed out that defense didn't work for Mike Anderson, you moved on to "we don't even know what happened," then you moved onto the "only 6 games" premise. The pattern very clearly shows that you have an agenda in both threads.

4-You discount Schefter's report and the report from a Cleveland reporter, but give weight to the Brown's message board poster who posted the 6 game theory, Mike Garafolo reporting that Gordon will "try" to get his suspension reduced to 6 games, and Greg Little saying Gordon made a "mistake." You are very clearly willing to accept information that fits what you want to happen, but make excuses for why information that goes against your hoped for outcome is invalid.

The fact of the matter is that Gordon is very likely facing a 1-year suspension. The preponderance of information available to us suggests this. You choose to ignore this information, and repeat what you hope will happen. While that is fine (if a little annoying), your condescending attitude, trolling behavior, and immature behavior makes you very unlikeable in this thread.

 

[Adam Harstad]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

Well, there is that Hernandez guy. He fell pretty fast as I recall...

Yeah, but even he was like the 3rd TE. We're talking about a first round startup pick 5 weeks ago.

I don't know about that. I think more people would have argued, and had a stronger argument as well, that Hernandez was the #1 TE than people would have argued Gordon as the #1 WR. Many people were already using the "dummy factor" with Gordon while Hernandez troubles sort of came out of nowhere.

Not according to the completed trade thread, expert rankings, and ADP from DLF's dynasty mocks. Lots of people had Gordon as the #1 WR. Some had him at #1 overall. Many more had him in the top 3, and almost everyone had him as a tier 1 WR and easy 1st round startup pick. I don't think Hernandez was ever commanding 1st round startup value, even in 1.5PPR leagues.

 

[Adam Harstad]

It's funny how you can tell from these posts who owns Gordon in a keeper/dynasty league, and who doesn't, and hates the fact that they don't.

Jealousy is an ugly beast. But it's not like someone's feelings posted here will actually impact how this turns out. It's sad, though, how many people can pile on a guy and his character, without knowing him at all, based on limited information.

I've got a vested interest in one keeper league, but not in a couple of others. I honestly hope that this turns out well for him, since the league is better off having him on the field, getting people excited about its product.

I apologize for deviating from the forum topic - continue with the on-going character assassination.

I don't think there's a character assassination going on in here. I don't think it's character assassination to suggest that Gordon has a strong history of making bad decisions, or that he apparently has a troubling relationship with marijuana, or that he's behaving in a way that suggests he has bigger priorities than his NFL career, or that he doesn't seem particularly trustworthy going forward.I have a lot of compassion for Gordon. I have had friends who were addicts, who stole medications from their own children, who showed up to work high, who were treated with compassion and patience and who wasted opportunity after opportunity. I have a lot of compassion for them, too, and know that they are wonderful, generous, complex people who have a serious problem. Addiction isn't a character flaw, it's a disease.

I really wish these anonymous sources had respected Gordon's privacy and followed league rules. I really hope that Gordon is able to overcome his complicated relationship with drugs. If he wants to play in the NFL, I hope he is able to again. If he doesn't, I hope people are more understanding that just because they want someone to want something doesn't mean he is obligated to.

At the same time, my job here isn't to deal with hope, it's to take an objective look at the fantasy landscape and predict outcomes to the best of my ability. Sometimes those outcomes are bad. Sometimes, wonderful people lose their jobs and get kicked out of the league. Men with families and charities suffer serious injuries and get discarded. Sometimes, people struggling with addiction lose their battles. It would be a disservice to not discuss these possibilities as frankly as possible.

I think it's interesting that pot isn't supposed to be addictive but here we have a guy who has so much on the line that, if he applied himself to the absolute max, if he landed with teh right QB and the right OC, could not only be the best player in the game (fair? if not then close?) but also the highest paid non-QB player in the league. How much future value is he standing to lose, in terms of tens of millions in yearly salary and endorsements (if he was a role model)? A hundred million over a career?

And he can't put down the pot?

McDonald's wrappers aren't supposed to be addictive, either, but have you seen the show Hoarders? Anything can be addictive if you use it as a coping mechanism rather than addressing underlying issues.

 

[jurb26]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

Well, there is that Hernandez guy. He fell pretty fast as I recall...

Yeah, but even he was like the 3rd TE. We're talking about a first round startup pick 5 weeks ago.

I don't know about that. I think more people would have argued, and had a stronger argument as well, that Hernandez was the #1 TE than people would have argued Gordon as the #1 WR. Many people were already using the "dummy factor" with Gordon while Hernandez troubles sort of came out of nowhere.

Not according to the completed trade thread, expert rankings, and ADP from DLF's dynasty mocks. Lots of people had Gordon as the #1 WR. Some had him at #1 overall. Many more had him in the top 3, and almost everyone had him as a tier 1 WR and easy 1st round startup pick. I don't think Hernandez was ever commanding 1st round startup value, even in 1.5PPR leagues.

Of course not. WR are a lot more valuable than TE. I'm not talking about overall value. I'm talking about value in the their position.

 

[Soulfly3]

The fact of the matter is that Gordon is very likely facing a 1-year suspension. The preponderance of information available to us suggests this. You choose to ignore this information, and repeat what you hope will happen. While that is fine (if a little annoying), your condescending attitude, trolling behavior, and immature behavior makes you very unlikeable in this thread.

So the 1000000x times Ive said it's very possible he could get a year suspension means nothing?

When I said if he does, I'll owe up to it, means nothing?

Ok.

Just because I'm sticking to my opinion doesn't make me a troll. I was partially proven right yesterday, by a certain someone getting 6 games for their 2nd failure... was I not?

 

[Milkman]

So has anybody out ######ed anybody else in this thread yet?

 

[BustedKnuckles]

I own J.Gordan in a keeper leagure ,,,but soulfly`s constant irrational logic has me actually hoping Gordan gets suspended all season...thats how bad he`s driving me crazy ...just shut the f up already

 

[metoo]

This has to be the most entertaining thread of the offseason. Soulfly3 keep up the good fight.

 

[Soulfly3]

I own J.Gordan in a keeper leagure ,,,but soulfly`s constant irrational logic has me actually hoping Gordan gets suspended all season...thats how bad he`s driving me crazy ...just shut the f up already

I know why you are being so aggressive.

This has to be the most entertaining thread of the offseason. Soulfly3 keep up the good fight.

Thanks. I'm a stubborn guy, and believe what I believe

 

[Sabertooth]

Was just offered Gordon for the 2.4 rookie pick (12 team league), no way I'd do that. Not trading Cody Latimer for him. How crazy does that sound 6 months ago

It's difficult to think of a further/faster drop than Gordon has experienced. Arguably the #1 dynasty WR a few months ago, now getting (rightly) rejected for a mid-2nd round rookie pick.

Well, there is that Hernandez guy. He fell pretty fast as I recall...

Hernandez never reached the heights of Gordon though in dynasty circles. He was never even the top guy on his own team. He was a top 5 dynasty TE.

 

[Sabertooth]

I own J.Gordan in a keeper leagure ,,,but soulfly`s constant irrational logic has me actually hoping Gordan gets suspended all season...thats how bad he`s driving me crazy ...just shut the f up already

I know why you are being so aggressive.

This has to be the most entertaining thread of the offseason. Soulfly3 keep up the good fight.

Thanks. I'm a stubborn guy, and believe what I believe

I don't care what your recording says, I know what I said

 

[Tibereas]

Not sure I get the Soulfly attacks. The guy has said many times that Gordon could be done for a year. Typical pool mentality bashing the guy for not conforming to the lynch mob.

Either way this has been a fun thread full of people thinking they know what's going to happen in a situation with a lack of true factual information.

 

[Soulfly3]

Not sure I get the Soulfly attacks. The guy has said many times that Gordon could be done for a year. Typical pool mentality bashing the guy for not conforming to the lynch mob.

Either way this has been a fun thread full of people thinking they know what's going to happen in a situation with a lack of true factual information.

Thank you.