fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
Then it goes to .1 and someone else say bull####. The law is the law & Gordon is an idiot. Maybe he couldn't know better, but most with rational thought process would.
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ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
I tagged them because they specially discussed 0.9. Just because you tag on a previous comment doesn't mean you endorse everything they said. Sheesh. Read what the poster actually wrote. It's not that hard.Both people you quoted appear to disagree
Casting Couch
Footballguy
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Pretty stupid is right. Incredibly idiotic is doing so on a holiday at 3AM when the cops are just licking their chops looking for drunk drivers, and going 15 miles over the speed limit to boot to call extra attention to yourself. Why not just put a flashing sign on top of your car with an arrow pointing towards you.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
A lot of judgemental people here commenting...Marijuana is legal in Colorado and .09 is BS!!!!
LT was high on COKE his entire career....
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Was just offered Gordon for my 2015 3rd. Thinking of taking it.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
What an idiot this guy is.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Anyone arguing the merits of driving drunk, also an idiot.
msudaisy26
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Lawyer could probably get it reduced to wreckless operation + speeding. But it would still be BAD for him.
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
I can drive easily at .09, but won't since I don't want to risk a DUI. I'm sure you can too, but there others that can't. They need to form a level and apply it to all, and I agree that having a stricter limit than more lenient makes sense. This is a different discussion regardless.
Gordon is an idiot.
rdrouyn
Footballguy
rdrouyn
Footballguy
You do realize that by the time he gets in the car, is stopped by a cop and is made to do the field sobriety test he has less BAC than when he left the bar? He could have potentially been more drunker.
But please keep arguing in favor of the drunk driver. It is amusing.
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
lol I looked again and it was a 2016 pick. I snagged it.
I have a team where I would pay that for Gordon right now. It's a stacked team and I'm quite confident the 2nd rounder will be extremely late (the last two seasons, it has been the last pick of the round). I'm crazy-deep at receiver (by staff consensus rankings, I own 8 of the top 27 receivers), so a guy needs crazy upside if he's going to crack my regular rotation. Given that unique combination, Gordon's downside becomes almost irrelevant.
Under more ordinary circumstances, I would not trade a random 2015 2nd for Gordon right now. I have to go through my rankings, but I think I'd value Gordon somewhere in the pick 22-28 range of rookie drafts.
Really Bronco Billy...
So you think that .08 is the right baseline. I say that is wrong.
But just go ahead and keep believing whatever is fed to you...
I'm sure that there is no way that things have gone too far in the other direction...
Dragon1952
Footballguy
I agree .08 is BS but that doesn't make Gordon any less stupid for speeding around on a holiday with enough alcohol in his system to be borderline even. I have a high tolerance myself and drive fine but I don't speed when I've been drinking and I'm especially careful around holidays.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
....and having said that I spent my 2014 1.3 rookie pick on this guy a month ago and the same guy I got him from offered me a 2015 1st yesterday to get him back. I'll wait until I'm sure he's heard this latest news before accepting but this is it for me. Even if he doesn't end up suspended for the year this year it's obvious now that it's just a matter of time. Twice now he's been in a jam while awaiting this decision and at this rate there's likely to be even another incident.
ROYALWITCHEESE
Footballguy
Let's say, for argument sake, he never peed positive since a drug test since last summer. Let's say he was well on his way to being negotiated down to 6 games suspended. What does a DWI do to the negotiation process? I think this could be as unique a case as we've ever seen, as far as the leaked failed test months ago, and two subsequent boneheaded actions that may or may not affect the appeal that is currently going on. I'm am dying to know what he gets.
mvereb
Footballguy
Grasping at straws here: Can we draw any parallel to this situation and Marshawn Lynch's? Lynch was arrested in July 2012 in California and blew a .08 (the lowest level above the legal limit). I think Lynch plead guilty to a lesser charge (an unsafe lane/wreckless driving charge) and didn't have to attend a four-month DUI class in California. Goodell didn't/hasn't suspended Lynch for the violation. This wasn't Lynch's first run-in with the law. Lynch was also suspended for three games under the personal conduct policy in 2009 for a misdemeanor weapon charge.
We don't have all of the details regarding Gordon's appeal in July, but I think this arrest is a completely separate issue.
We don't have all of the details regarding Gordon's appeal in July, but I think this arrest is a completely separate issue.
I'm having a difficult time agreeing that people should be able to have more to drink before they drive, because they already drive #####.... but, I found a state police breathalizer in my house when I bought it and it to be really unreliable. Using it at the bar, I'd find that it'd jump around by .02-.05% without having had any additional drinks. Knowing that the tools the LEO's use to say someone is impaired is shoddy at best, I don't trust a .08 limit to really indicate that someone is "drunk" when they're pulled over.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
maybe so but if you are going to drink and drive you may not want to speed and call attention to yourself at 3:00 am
amnesiac
beer is good
sorry, it depends on lots of different league factors, but yeah, a 3rd could be doable. personally, i think he's done.3rd ?
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Stupidity is not a crime... I am not arguing that Gordon is not immature and stupid to an extent at this stage of his life...
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Any imposed limit is arbitrary and subject to change depending on the political climate.So yeah, it's bull#### because everyone doesn't suffer the same level of impairment at a given BAC.I know there are those that don't buy that but that's the truth. The political climate obviously changed and many states imposed lower limits based on lobbyist movements (see MADD), and that's likely not about to change ever.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Actually when the stupidity causes you to commit a crime it in fact then becomes a crime.
Dragon1952
Footballguy
Unfortunately it goes hand in hand. Speeding and being over .08 in this particular state are crimes.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Sure potato chips can be addictive. Will power and not being a ####### idiot keeps you from eating 12 bags in one sitting. It is not addictive, you are foolish to believe someone could be addicted to it. Could they crave the feelings? Yes. Can they create a dependency on it? No.
I agree with you... This Is a very interesting case...Marshawn had a DUI thrown out and was not penalized for just being charged with the DUI...
There is a good chance that Gordon gets this thrown out (0.09). It will be interesting to see if the arbitrator (or whoever makes this decision) takes this into consideration...
It's obvious that Gordon has a lot of growing up to do. Maybe he can pull it together if he is not judged/roasted by everyone on this message board or in the press....
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Awesome dude. Point is its the law. I agree with you but also understand that if I have a couple at the bar and drive, I am LEGALLY flirting with trouble. So the guys is too dumb to realize the life he could have versus the life one more tiny beer might cost him. How you or anyone else operates at 0.08 is irrelevant.
TheGrimReaper
Footballguy
Even if it's below .08 PD has discretion to charge w/DUI 23152 a or B or issue a "wet reckless" 23103....as others have indicated...he is toast......
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slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
Well sure, but can you do both at the same time?
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
ad·dic·tionnoun \ə-ˈdik-shən, a-\: a strong and harmful need to regularly have something (such as a drug) or do something (such as gamble)
: an unusually great interest in something or a need to do or have something
You are foolish to think that somebody who cannot fight the craving is not an addict.
I say having one more beer should not have an impact on the type of life that you should be able to have/live when the limit is .08.
If the limit is .08 - then we all need to understand what we are dealing with. A different world when it comes to drunk driving....
Drunk driving will be more like a speeding ticket in this environment....
Bronco Billy
Footballguy
I guess when it comes to his guilt or innocence, the question is whether they use your standard or the legal standard. I'm guessing your opinion doesn't carry much weight there. Be as outraged as you care to be.
The NFL provides free taxi service to its players when they want. He admitted to having 3 drinks and driving - and speeding to boot - on a holiday where cops are known to be very proactive and have an increased presence. That's poor judgment no matter how you slice it. Not if you did it, of course. Just Gordon in this case.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
Do we know if he was administered the roadside sobriety test or not? I'm assuming he was, pretty much standard procedure. Maybe he failed that as well
I find it hard to believe that a finely tuned athlete would fail a roadside sobriety test at .09.
Maybe he was high as well???? That would put things in a different context...
And he is clearly thinking exactly like you are. It probably shouldn't matter but that is irrelevant. If you can't get why realizing its a problem is a concern, well then I can't help you....
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Appears I deleted my post on accident. No I do not believe that gambling or any other form of "addiction" that isn't based on chemical dependent is an addiction. Weed is not addictive. Not is gambling. Cigarettes, alcohol, meth, oxy... That ####s addictive.
Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
They've already made DUI's a joke. They arnt about keeping the roads safe. Maybe one time they were. All they are now is a new way to pay for military style equipment cops keep accumulating.
KellysHeroes
Footballguy
The DSM distinguishes between "substance-induced disorders" (such as withdrawal, and which all of the substances you listed would result in) and "substance use disorders".
At the end of the day, whether you believe weed is addictive or not, the people who valued Gordon as if he had an addiction problem were able to make actionable predictions and dramatically outperform the market when it came to valuing Josh Gordon. Whether we consider Gordon an addict or not, to this point, valuing Gordon as if he hypothetically did have an addiction problem would have produced superior fantasy outcomes. I would be more sympathetic to the idea that Gordon isn't struggling with addiction if his behavior wasn't exactly what one would anticipate seeing from someone struggling with addiction.
My opinion differs ALOT from Matt Waldman's normally - but he had this pegged better than Nostradamus!
http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/07/05/wr-josh-gordon-hands-are-for-more-than-catching-the-football/
http://mattwaldmanrsp.com/2012/07/05/wr-josh-gordon-hands-are-for-more-than-catching-the-football/
