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[Proust Loves Cake]

Browns' Josh Gordon arrested

WNCN, the NBC affiliate in Raleigh, reported Gordon's blood-alcohol level was .09, and he admitted to having three drinks with vodka

.09 isn't all that bad. A few years ago this would have been a non-story. Not justifying him being out at 3am, but not as bad as I 1st thought

Bullsh*t - .09 - good god...The real story is that more speeding / drunk driving tickets are being distributed nationwide because of ridiculously tighter standards....

This means that it is not as big a deal to get a speeding ticket / DUI....

Practically everyone has them or will soon...

http://www.dmv.org/nc-north-carolina/automotive-law/dui.phpFor what it's worth, this is about as low of a penalty as it gets here in NC. May not influence the previous hearing.

I am GREATLY concerned about the Fatz Thomas link, as he helped ruin the college career of PJ Hairston.

The law in most places is .08... That is the bottom line. You can disagree with it all you want, but if you're pulled over and have a higher BAC, you will be arrested. For a guy who should already be on a very short leash, you need to be pretty stupid to get behind the wheel with more than one drink in your system.His 2014 is over, Goodell will drop the hammer, Gordon is not bright.

.09 is bull####!

Given his history, it is bull####. This guy has submarined his career. He's clearly not a very bright human being. Anyone with even below average intelligence would realize he needs to be sparkling clean and make adjustments accordingly. Gordon has the belief that nothing but a buzz matters. Good for him. Maybe fame and gazillions of dollars just isn't that important to him. He's following his real passion, obviously. Compared to any normal human being, this is a dumb man.

 

[amnesiac]

Appears I deleted my post on accident. No I do not believe that gambling or any other form of "addiction" that isn't based on chemical dependent is an addiction. Weed is not addictive. Not is gambling. Cigarettes, alcohol, meth, oxy... That ####s addictive.

The DSM distinguishes between "substance-induced disorders" (such as withdrawal, and which all of the substances you listed would result in) and "substance use disorders".

At the end of the day, whether you believe weed is addictive or not, the people who valued Gordon as if he had an addiction problem were able to make actionable predictions and dramatically outperform the market when it came to valuing Josh Gordon. Whether we consider Gordon an addict or not, to this point, valuing Gordon as if he hypothetically did have an addiction problem would have produced superior fantasy outcomes. I would be more sympathetic to the idea that Gordon isn't struggling with addiction if his behavior wasn't exactly what one would anticipate seeing from someone struggling with addiction.

spot on. i was actually able to move Gordon for Cobb at the end of May.

the Blackmon situation is what made me finally realize the risk was too much.

 

[Kevrunner]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

 

[lod01]

Its... OVER....

....Soulfly3

DEVASTATION!!!!!

 

[Faust]

Josh Gordon's story less about football, more about unraveling life

 

[cc texan]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

Talking on a cell phone impairs your driving as much as a .08; having children in the car with you is 12 times worse. We should probably ban those too.

http://www2.potsdam.edu/alcohol/DrivingIssues/20060830105036.html

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2323261/Kids-car-12-times-distracting-driving-using-cell-phone.html

 

[Faust]

Josh Gordon keeps some interesting company on the road

Felon who rented car in Hairston case clarifies ties to UNC, athletes

 

[FUBAR]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

A guy of JG's size could have a six pack in less than 3 hours and be under the legal limit. Call it bs if you want but it's the law and not hard to obey.

 

[fantasycurse42]

:BOMBSOUNDEXPLOSIONSBSSHHHSHSHSSSHSHSmorebombsbshshshhsshshDEVASTATION:

 

[fantasycurse42]

Maybe we should have a sliding scale on BAC?

.06 for women

.08 for men under 200 lbs

.10 for men over 200 lbs

.14 for Brewtown and others at FBG

 

[Ditka Butkus]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

A guy of JG's size could have a six pack in less than 3 hours and be under the legal limit. Call it bs if you want but it's the law and not hard to obey.

I don't get the guys sticking up and making excuses for Gordon......He had the world by the ### and smoked, drank and pissed it away.

 

[Brewtown]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!

This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.

Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....

Boooooooooooo......

 

[SproutDaddy]

Some facts here:

1) Marijuana is not addictive.

2) Alcohol and marijuana have no correlation with each other.

3) Use of alcohol is legal and not prohibited by the NFL.

4) Only the people closest to Gordon know if he has an addiction to alcohol which is feasible. Addiction to marijuana is not, nor do I give any credibility to people who suggest the opposite.

Yes this is icing on the cake for what appears to be an idiotic child but some of you just appear to be living in 1950 behind your white picket fence and 1 dog, 2 kids household. Let's not forget that DUI's/DWI's are also now half profiting scam for police departments. I dare you to say that you haven't had a close friend or relative get a DUI. Do you accuse them of being addicts? From Johnny Carson to Miguel Cabrera we've seen thousands of DUI's and rarely has it stopped a person from being able to perform at whatever it is they do.

I wish people would stop saying this.........anything can be addictive .....

It in no way causes a physical addiction. I guess it can be addictive in the same sense as food or sex. IMO those situations are more about self-control.

 

[NDyse10]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!

This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.

Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....

Boooooooooooo......

Bottom line is the law is .08. He knows the law and it isn't hard to follow.

I don't get the people making excuses for him. He has all the talent in the world and just pissed it away.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Anyone arguing the merits of driving drunk, also an idiot.

Not arguing the merits.... Arguing the baseline...It's BS!!

You do realize that by the time he gets in the car, is stopped by a cop and is made to do the field sobriety test he has less BAC than when he left the bar? He could have potentially been more drunker.

But please keep arguing in favor of the drunk driver. It is amusing.

Not by much. It takes an hour on average to metabolize a normal drink. I doubt he was driving around for an hour.

 

[Kevrunner]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!

This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.

Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....

Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

 

[The Man With No Name]

At least he wasn't dumb enough to try and speed away/elude

 

[Brewtown]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!

This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.

Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....

Boooooooooooo......

Bottom line is the law is .08. He knows the law and it isn't hard to follow.I don't get the people making excuses for him. He has all the talent in the world and just pissed it away.

Your acting like getting a DUI with a .09 is a death blow to his career....

Let's keep this in perspective - it may not pass muster of a judge... He has a chance to get this thrown out.

Why you say?? Because he blew a .09.....

If he blew a .15 this is different...

 

[Brewtown]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

I disagree with everything you've stated... .08 is over the top...

You won't argue because even you know....

 

[Ditka Butkus]

Some facts here:

1) Marijuana is not addictive.

2) Alcohol and marijuana have no correlation with each other.

3) Use of alcohol is legal and not prohibited by the NFL.

4) Only the people closest to Gordon know if he has an addiction to alcohol which is feasible. Addiction to marijuana is not, nor do I give any credibility to people who suggest the opposite.

Yes this is icing on the cake for what appears to be an idiotic child but some of you just appear to be living in 1950 behind your white picket fence and 1 dog, 2 kids household. Let's not forget that DUI's/DWI's are also now half profiting scam for police departments. I dare you to say that you haven't had a close friend or relative get a DUI. Do you accuse them of being addicts? From Johnny Carson to Miguel Cabrera we've seen thousands of DUI's and rarely has it stopped a person from being able to perform at whatever it is they do.

I wish people would stop saying this.........anything can be addictive .....

It in no way causes a physical addiction. I guess it can be addictive in the same sense as food or sex. IMO those situations are more about self-control.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

Contrary to common belief, marijuana is addictive. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent, or 1 in 6) and among people who use marijuana daily (to 25-50 percent).

Long-term marijuana users trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to abstain. Behavioral interventions, including cognitive-behavioral therapy and motivational incentives (i.e., providing vouchers for goods or services to patients who remain abstinent) have proven to be effective in treating marijuana addiction. Although no medications are currently available, recent discoveries about the workings of the endocannabinoid system offer promise for the development of medications to ease withdrawal, block the intoxicating effects of marijuana, and prevent relapse.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!

This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.

Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....

Boooooooooooo......

Bottom line is the law is .08. He knows the law and it isn't hard to follow.I don't get the people making excuses for him. He has all the talent in the world and just pissed it away.

Your acting like getting a DUI with a .09 is a death blow to his career....

Let's keep this in perspective - it may not pass muster of a judge... He has a chance to get this thrown out.

Why you say?? Because he blew a .09.....

If he blew a .15 this is different...

No his many idiotic decisions and failures are a deathblow to his career. It could be .08 and it still doesn't change the fact that this guy doesn't get it and is a complete idiot.

 

[Kevrunner]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

I disagree with everything you've stated... .08 is over the top...

You won't argue because even you know....

"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

For some reason you left this part of my reply out, why? If you can point me to studies to the contrary, I have an opened mind, I'll take a look.

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

Long-term marijuana users trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including.... decreased appetite...

Well... yeah.

 

[SproutDaddy]

Some facts here:

1) Marijuana is not addictive.

2) Alcohol and marijuana have no correlation with each other.

3) Use of alcohol is legal and not prohibited by the NFL.

4) Only the people closest to Gordon know if he has an addiction to alcohol which is feasible. Addiction to marijuana is not, nor do I give any credibility to people who suggest the opposite.

Yes this is icing on the cake for what appears to be an idiotic child but some of you just appear to be living in 1950 behind your white picket fence and 1 dog, 2 kids household. Let's not forget that DUI's/DWI's are also now half profiting scam for police departments. I dare you to say that you haven't had a close friend or relative get a DUI. Do you accuse them of being addicts? From Johnny Carson to Miguel Cabrera we've seen thousands of DUI's and rarely has it stopped a person from being able to perform at whatever it is they do.

I wish people would stop saying this.........anything can be addictive .....

It in no way causes a physical addiction. I guess it can be addictive in the same sense as food or sex. IMO those situations are more about self-control.

http://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/drugfacts/marijuana

Contrary to common belief, marijuana is addictive. Estimates from research suggest that about 9 percent of users become addicted to marijuana; this number increases among those who start young (to about 17 percent, or 1 in 6) and among people who use marijuana daily (to 25-50 percent).

Long-term marijuana users trying to quit report withdrawal symptoms including irritability, sleeplessness, decreased appetite, anxiety, and drug craving, all of which can make it difficult to abstain. Behavioral interventions, including cognitive-behavioral therapy and motivational incentives (i.e., providing vouchers for goods or services to patients who remain abstinent) have proven to be effective in treating marijuana addiction. Although no medications are currently available, recent discoveries about the workings of the endocannabinoid system offer promise for the development of medications to ease withdrawal, block the intoxicating effects of marijuana, and prevent relapse.

Ok. I stick by my statement. There is no physical addiction to marijuana. Don't people become irritated when they have to diet?

 

[rdrouyn]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

I disagree with everything you've stated... .08 is over the top...You won't argue because even you know....

I think we have a new contender for Soulfly's title of going down with the Gordon ship.

 

[Papa Georgio]

Smoke a little smoke and drink a little drink and your career is ruined, now if you kill someone....

 

[Brewtown]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

I disagree with everything you've stated... .08 is over the top...You won't argue because even you know....

"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."For some reason you left this part of my reply out, why? If you can point me to studies to the contrary, I have an opened mind, I'll take a look.

You can find fake facts/opinions of anything you want on the internet. I'm sure I could find things to debunk your claims.

I do not need to. I know that .05 is nothing.... Any study is BS!

Probably commissioned by MADD....

Over the top in the other direction is what I say!

 

[rdrouyn]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

I disagree with everything you've stated... .08 is over the top...You won't argue because even you know....

"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."For some reason you left this part of my reply out, why? If you can point me to studies to the contrary, I have an opened mind, I'll take a look.

You can find fake facts/opinions of anything you want on the internet. I'm sure I could find things to debunk your claims.I do not need to. I know that .05 is nothing.... Any study is BS!

Probably commissioned by MADD....

Over the top in the other direction is what I say!

Don't let facts get in the way of a good story, thats what I say!

 

[Brewtown]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

I disagree with everything you've stated... .08 is over the top...You won't argue because even you know....

I think we have a new contender for Soulfly's title of going down with the Gordon ship.

I give a **** about Gordon.

I feel bad for people who blow.09 and get a DUI. I also don't like it when judgemental righteous people pile on an immature young person...

 

[Ditka Butkus]

My guess is the guys that are arguing for drunk driving and arguing that weed isn't addictive..........Drive drunk and are addicted to weed......

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

I disagree with everything you've stated... .08 is over the top...You won't argue because even you know....

"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."For some reason you left this part of my reply out, why? If you can point me to studies to the contrary, I have an opened mind, I'll take a look.

You can find fake facts/opinions of anything you want on the internet. I'm sure I could find things to debunk your claims.

I do not need to. I know that .05 is nothing.... Any study is BS!

Probably commissioned by MADD....

Over the top in the other direction is what I say!

And as long as you don't share the town (or possibly time zone) in which I or anyone I love lives... have at it.

 

[Ditka Butkus]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

I disagree with everything you've stated... .08 is over the top...You won't argue because even you know....

I think we have a new contender for Soulfly's title of going down with the Gordon ship.

I give a **** about Gordon.

I feel bad for people who blow.09 and get a DUI. I also don't like it when judgemental righteous people pile on an immature young person...

So tell us...how many DUI,s do you have.

 

[loqutis]

I just traded him for a bag of magic beans. The beans seem just as likely to have a successful NFL career.

 

[Tool]

By lowering the legal limit to .08, might seem foolish to 1 or 2 posters here, but the fact that is has saved lives and reduced accidents caused by drinking and driving, some industrial countries have even lowered the limits to .02. By lowering the limit at least we can all agree, saves lives. Then some might say, why let anyone driving have any alcohol in their system, and I would say, that's a good question.

This is BS!This doesn't save lives! It wrecks lives of normal/hardworking people who want a couple of beers or glass of wine with dinner.Go after the .15s driving the wrong way on the freeway... Not the Jimmy/Sally's who are out for dinner....Boooooooooooo......

I'm not going to argue with you over this, there is a lot of material available on the internet that says otherwise, here's is a little piece of one of many articles:"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."

I disagree with everything you've stated... .08 is over the top...You won't argue because even you know....

"Blood alcohol levels higher than 0.05 increase the risk of a fatal crash significantly. And even at 0.05, the chances of killing or being killed behind the wheel are 38 percent greater than driving sober, because at that level most drivers have impaired alertness, vision and responsiveness. Over 100 nations have already lowered their legal BAC limits to 0.05 or lower with proven results while the United States lags behind."For some reason you left this part of my reply out, why? If you can point me to studies to the contrary, I have an opened mind, I'll take a look.

You can find fake facts/opinions of anything you want on the internet. I'm sure I could find things to debunk your claims.

I do not need to. I know that .05 is nothing.... Any study is BS!

Probably commissioned by MADD....

Over the top in the other direction is what I say!

people react to alchohol differently. so while you are prob ok to drive at 0.08 others may not be.

 

[Brewtown]

I have zero.

But I know many friends and even some family who have had to deal with going through that situation.

Some really great people - I might add...

You would probably write them off though....

 

[Sabertooth]

My guess is the guys that are arguing for drunk driving and arguing that weed isn't addictive..........Drive drunk and are addicted to weed......

So Wisconsin people and Yoopers.

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

I give a **** about Gordon.I feel bad for people who blow.09 and get a DUI. I also don't like it when judgemental righteous people pile on an immature young person...

Let's put it this way: I would say the exact same thing about anyone who blows a .09. Gordon just happens to be someone who lives in the spotlight so he gets to be the face of the problem.

The idea is for the limit to be lower than what would put people at risk. We aren't wanting to inch close to where people are running into people and then scale .01 back from that. We want a nice buffer. We want people to be put on notice that drunk driving kills people and we as a society have no tolerance for those who put themselves in position to have their judgment impaired and then go out on the road. So yeah, maybe .08 or even .05 is lower than what people can function at.

I say "Huzzah."

 

[Sabertooth]

I just traded him for a bag of magic beans. The beans seem just as likely to have a successful NFL career.

I just picked him up for a 2016 3rd rounder. Probably a very very late third rounder

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I have zero.

But I know many friends and even some family who have had to deal with going through that situation.

Some really great people - I might add...

You would probably write them off though....

Nope my father had two when he was alive. Of course he didn't think he had a drinking problem either,

 

[Junior McSpiffy]

I have zero.

But I know many friends and even some family who have had to deal with going through that situation.

Some really great people - I might add...

You would probably write them off though....

Would I write them off we people? Maybe not. But I can tell you that I wouldn't trust any of them with something where judgment was a factor.

And while you've not gotten a DUI, care to share how many you were eligible to have gotten?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I feel bad for people who blow.09 and get a DUI.

Not when you already have serious issues with it.

I feel bad they have that addiction, I don't feel bad that he is busted while risking peoples lives. An hour earlier he may have been .18.

 

[SproutDaddy]

I have zero.

But I know many friends and even some family who have had to deal with going through that situation.

Some really great people - I might add...

You would probably write them off though....

Nope my father had two when he was alive. Of course he didn't think he had a drinking problem either,

Great example.

 

[Brewtown]

I have zero.

But I know many friends and even some family who have had to deal with going through that situation.

Some really great people - I might add...

You would probably write them off though....

Nope my father had two when he was alive. Of course he didn't think he had a drinking problem either,

Something tells me your father didn't blow a .08

 

[Porkchop Express]

I have zero.

But I know many friends and even some family who have had to deal with going through that situation.

Some really great people - I might add...

You would probably write them off though....

Ever had a friend or family member get hit by a drunk driver?

 

[Ditka Butkus]

I have zero.

But I know many friends and even some family who have had to deal with going through that situation.

Some really great people - I might add...

You would probably write them off though....

Nope my father had two when he was alive. Of course he didn't think he had a drinking problem either,

Great example.

yep hopefully I've learned a valuable lesson.......Only time will tell.

 

[Dragon1952]

I have zero.

But I know many friends and even some family who have had to deal with going through that situation.

Some really great people - I might add...

You would probably write them off though....

The problem is that you are looking at this as one incident in and of itself without regard to the total picture. When you add all of the incidents together, and the time frame they occurred in, then you get what the issue is. Of course if this was an isolated incident it would be meaningless. In the big picture it's not.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

I agree .08 is BS but that doesn't make Gordon any less stupid for speeding around on a holiday with enough alcohol in his system to be borderline even. I have a high tolerance myself and drive fine but I don't speed when I've been drinking and I'm especially careful around holidays.

Stupidity is not a crime... I am not arguing that Gordon is not immature and stupid to an extent at this stage of his life...

Unfortunately it goes hand in hand. Speeding and being over .08 in this particular state are crimes.

Speeding is not a crime!

Where do you live, the Autobahn? You can say that you don't think it should be a crime but what's the point? It is a crime and he got caught. The limit is .08 and he was over...

 

[rdrouyn]

I feel bad for people who blow.09 and get a DUI.

Not when you already have serious issues with it.

I feel bad they have that addiction, I don't feel bad that he is busted while risking peoples lives. An hour earlier he may have been .18.

Nope! In brewtowns world if you blow a .09 it was just off of some fermented apple juice.

 

[Brewtown]

The law will/should look at this as an isolated incident. He blew a .09 for gods sake!

 

[Brewtown]

I agree .08 is BS but that doesn't make Gordon any less stupid for speeding around on a holiday with enough alcohol in his system to be borderline even. I have a high tolerance myself and drive fine but I don't speed when I've been drinking and I'm especially careful around holidays.

Stupidity is not a crime... I am not arguing that Gordon is not immature and stupid to an extent at this stage of his life...

Unfortunately it goes hand in hand. Speeding and being over .08 in this particular state are crimes.

Speeding is not a crime!

Where do you live, the Autobahn? You can say that you don't think it should be a crime but what's the point? It is a crime and he got caught. The limit is .08 and he was over...

Speeding is not a criminal offense in the state that I live in. I don't know of a state where it is...

I could be wrong though??