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WR Julio Jones, Retired (2 Viewers)
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Thunderlips
Footballguy
I don't disagree with that. Their D looks to be legit. They can stay in any game with a running game and that D. I think the biggest question mark in the equation is QB play. I do think though, that they'd also need a good deal of luck in regards to the misfortune of other teams in the AFC ( BAL, BUF, KC,TEN) because I don't know if right now they're even the 6th best team in the Conference.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
There’s only two teams in the AFC head and shoulders above everyone else - just one upset win is the road to the SuperBowl in the AFC in 2021.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
brun
Footballguy
I believe that Cam will be better than last year but even then I don't believe he can help the current receiving group reach their potential. Julio would be a nice addition but not one that Cam can really take advantage of. Mac Jones might turn out to be great but it doesn't sound like he impacts Julio's opinion of the Patriots.
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sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Seems like Patriots makes too much sense not to happen if Julio views it as a good destination. Maybe another team steps up with a 1st rounder, but I think the Falcons will try to get him to a preferred landing spot if offers are relatively equal.
Take it for what it's worth, but apparently, Shannon Sharpe called Julio live on air and asked him, "Do you want to go to the Cowboys or do you want to stay in Atlanta," and Julio said, "Oh, no, I'm outta there." Of course, no one told Julio he was on air until the end of the call.
https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1396854042882609159?s=21
https://twitter.com/mysportsupdate/status/1396854042882609159?s=21
Julio wants to play in the COLD with CAM NEWTON? Does that even make sense? Unless he thinks that Patriots squad is stacked or maybe has some kind of fascination with Belichek.
Could you imagine how Belichek would use this guy? We'd get one ridiculous high output season for sure.
Could you imagine how Belichek would use this guy? We'd get one ridiculous high output season for sure.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
A trade to GB for Jordan love makes sense. Not sure what other pieces would have to be in the deal, but it would give Atlanta their QB of the future and make Aaron Rodgers healthy.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
You disagree? You don't think Love is good enough to be a QB of the future for Atlanta? Or did I misinterpret your response?Oh?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
JohnnyU
Footballguy
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If GB thinks Love is the QB of the future, then they won't ship him off for a 32-year old Julio with 39-year old ankles.
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
And the Bears moved up for Trubisky. Yes, lots of teams have moved up in the draft and sometimes things worked out and sometimes things didn't. Yes, Mahomes, Allen, and Lamar are examples where things worked out. As for Love, no one really has much of a clue as he has yet to see live action yet.
If the Falcons really wanted a QB of the future, they could have drafted one. Whether they drafted one this year or end up trading for Love, either one is probably not the best move for ATL. Ryan is still a very good QB, shows no signs of slowing down, and is signed for three more years. He'll be 38 when his contract ends and has only missed 3 games in 13 seasons. Love could easily end up sitting those 3 years . . . which would make his acquisition mostly a waste of time and resources.
If these were my choices the first bet I'm laying down is on the Titans and the next one would be on SF.
The last one would be Dallas. That is just showing up I'm guessing because he was at a mall near Dallas what appears to be a few days ago wearing a Cowboys sweatshirt but that makes no sense.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Dallas doesn't need a WR. That would be stupid on their part, unless it is for jersey sales.
ETA: It would still be stupid.
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Article I read from a Green Bay beat writer would indicate this is not past tense. Part of what got Rodgers on tilt was realization this off-season that GB wanted to keep option open of moving on from Rodgers after the 2021 season. I'm guessing this came up in their earlier contract talks.
But point brought by @tangfootremains true. If GB feels this way about him they won't be turning him into Julio but I think your trade idea made sense on the surface.
Yes, that's what I was saying, he was just leaving the Nike store wearing a Cowboys sweatshirt. Nothing to see.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Although RapSheet doesn't connect the dots, I believe the main reason Jones wanted a trade is the Falcons most likely came to him and asked him to take a pay cut and get him on a more team friendly deal.
It's also come out that ATL tried moving him in the weeks leading up to the draft for a first round pick (which obviously didn't happen). This whole situation could have been going on for quite awhile behind the scenes and potentially has reached a point where neither side would be happy sticking together.
That being said, the latest rumors are ATL would take a 2nd round pick and probably another small piece to move Jones. The problem is, many teams may not want to give up assets and take on Jones' contract when he is already 32 and coming off a season where he had injury issues. I would guess that suitors would at least ask ATL to kick in some money toward the contract . . . or take a lower draft pick if they say no to that.
And since I have heard some discussion that Jones was only good because he played on turf in a dome . . .
Across his career:
Grass: 99.8 yards / 0.54 TD per game
Turf: 93.7 yards / 0.40 TD per game
Outdoors: 98.1 yards / 0.56 TD per game
Indoors: 93.8 yards / 0.37 TD per game
Below 40 degrees: 157.3 yards / 1.33 TD per game
41-60 degrees: 98.6 yards / 0.58 TD per game
61-80 degrees: 92.5 yards / 0.50 TD per game
81+ degrees: 89.4 yards / 0.14 TD per game
Without breaking down anything, Jones has performed better outside, on grass, in the cold. That may not mean a heck of a lot if he went to a cold weather team with a team with a QB that can't throw (cough, CAM!, cough) and runs a lot. But to date his numbers across the board have been fine in all climate conditions.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Just send A Rod to Atlanta for Matt Ryan and Julio. Maybe give them Jake Kumerow - since that's Rodgers guy (I know he was cut).
Julio to the Lions or Jags? Jesus, I'd rather retire.
Julio to the Lions or Jags? Jesus, I'd rather retire.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
That proposed MR and JJ trade to GB would provide a tasty serving of $80M+ in dead cap money for the Falcons. I am going to guess Atlanta will not be pursuing that one.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Guess it's Jordan Love and all the draft capital spent to acquire him for an aging, depreciating asset in Julio...
Interesting. It's strange how massive of a jump he has going up to "below 40 degrees".
I'm guessing that sample size is small. Curious how many games he has played in below 40 degrees... maybe 3? He's never had a home game or a div game below 40, and those right there account for 11/16 games played every year.
Julio led me to a massive comeback playoff win on MNF in GB a few years ago. Must have had 200 yards. Mid December night game in GB certainly under 40.
Nice. I would guess maybe he had 1 other game in his career under 40 and went for 100 yards so that's where the 150 comes from
Where'd you find these stats? I'm looking to try to find them and can't! Would love to see how many cold weather games he has played (just for my own curiosity)
Haha that 1.33 td number makes me think it was 4 tds over 3 games. He had 259 yards in the GB game which leaves 213 yards for the other 2.Nice. I would guess maybe he had 1 other game in his career under 40 and went for 100 yards so that's where the 150 comes from
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I’m on a boring Zoom call scrolling through game logs. He had 106/2 in late December in GB 2018. And 107/1 in Cleveland mid November same year. Those games plus the earlier GB game would give the 157.3/1.33 average. Also played playoff games in NY and Philly in January but not sure if playoffs are included here. Had 7/64 and 9/101 no tds.
Nice. Very small sample size of 3 games, but it doesn't seem like it overly affects him that much.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
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Yep, looks like exactly this. Interesting to see his career weather games.
3 games played under 40 degrees (the 3 games in GB or Cleve)
24 games played 40-60 degrees (most of his away games outside the div and carolina games)
24 games played 60-80 degrees (this would be all the dome games)
7 games played over 80 degrees (prob the Tampa ones)
*This doesn't add up even close to his 135 games played though so not sure what this is all about
41 games played on grass
94 games played on turf
54 games played outdoors
81 games played indoors (wow!)
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Mr. Peterson
Footballguy
I think his value decreases wherever he goes.
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3nOut
Footballguy
I would welcome the Raiders and view it as an upgrade. I felt that way when they got Antonio and not many agreed with me, of course that never got a chance so who knows.
And keep in mind I am saying an upgrade on what he would have been facing if he returned to Atlanta. And that's as possibly the #2 WR on his own team and at a minimum with he and Ridley being 1A/1B plus Pitts entering the equation.
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Chargers make sense. Maybe Denver.
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