Boston
Footballguy
Well, at least we now know why he didn't have time to learn the playbook.
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WR Kayshon Boutte, NE (2 Viewers)
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Well, at least we now know why he didn't have time to learn the playbook.
socrates
Footballguy
Just when I was ready to write Boutte off for good, he goes and pulls a Michigan J. Frog. Time now to go back in your box.
Ribbit!
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Balco
Footballguy
Seems fully healthy and off field issues in the rear view. Definitely worth a pickup in dynasty at the very least.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Happily surprised to net him in all of my (dyno) leagues despite minimum bids and poor waiver positioning. Dude out snapped both Polk and Douglas. He was more off than on as an amateur, but when he was on he was unstoppable.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Trying to decide which of my many backup RBs to drop for this guy as he sits on the waiver. Have a feeing he will carve up the Jags and it will be too late after this weekend. May have to go without a kicker this week.
zamboni
Footballguy
I'll be watching this guy too, although probably don't have room to grab him. Very possible that despite the attention Pop Douglas is getting from the fantasy community, Boutte may be the one WR to have.
Willie Mays Hayes
Footballguy
The talent was always there if he could get his head straight
Wigglytuff's Gruff
Footballguy
I might even be starting him this week on an excellent dynasty team.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Took him over Vele for my last spot based on “what do I get if I win” logic realizing Vele was already 26. Not expecting much but seemed like a cheap bet on Maye at a much lower cost than spending the draft capital it would have taken to get Polk
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
Not sure it was wise, but dumped Alec Pierce for the nth time to take a shot here. The competition is more open. If his ankle is back for the first time since he was WR1 of his class, why not? Always take ceiling.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Yep- can't imagine anyone else with his realistic potential becomes available in-season
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Had a good stat line this last weekend. I am intrigued by this previously highly touted prospect, but anticipate the Pats aggressively adding weapons for Maye this off-season. Any input from NE fans, worth hanging onto?
Boston
Footballguy
What says Merry Christmas like a little Kayshon Boutte talk...Boutte has been one of the few bright spots for the Pats this year...he looks like a legit NFL WR and Maye seems to trust him...I don't think he will ever put up big numbers and my guess is he will end up being a better real WR then fantasy WR...if you have the roster space I think he is worth a spot at the back of your roster (at least during training camp) just in case he takes a big leap next year...he came into the league very immature and there is the possibility that as he grows up a little he could tap into the talent that excited people early in his LSU career but I also expect the Pats to bring in two WRs that in theory should be better than him so that won't help him fantasy-wise.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I'm not convinced any of the current WRs on NE are more than an NFL WR3 (and the one that would best fit that bill would be Douglas).
In their 10 starts with Maye, fantasy output by WR: (games with 20+ points, games with 10+ points, fantasy ppg in PPR leagues):
Douglas - 1, 4, 9.25
Boutte 1, 2, 8.17
Bourne 0, 1, 6.23
Polk 0, 0, 1.14
Baker 0, 0, 0.00
Douglas is hovering around WR60 in terms of PPG scoring. The Pats need to draft a young stud and sign a premium free agent. I am not sure NE can hit the target on either of those. Personally, I would rather they fix their OL before they move on to WRs. Chances are they will add to the WR room they have next year (and give whomever they bring in a chance to play more snaps than the guys they have on their current roster). A reason for concern for the guys they have is that they don't really have anyone to beat out . . . yet no one has stepped up to earn more looks / targets / production. One would think that Maye would have built up chemistry with somebody . . . and there really hasn't been a WR that falls into the "that's his main guy" category. By default, that mostly has fallen on Hunter Henry, but even his stats don't jump of the page.
Boston
Footballguy
I don't think you can really build much chemistry when guys just aren't that good...Henry is easily their most "professional" player which is why he has been Maye's most trusted target but he's never going to be a threat to be an All Pro...Austin Hooper has actually played well but he is a backup-level TE...as for Pop I was excited about him but he doesn't do much for me now...he is so small (listed at 192 but he seems much smaller then that) and there is nowhere near the big play ability I thought he could have...he's a legit NFL WR but he's more of a role player...as you point out he will never have a better opportunity to have fantasy-impact then this year and that hasn't happened.
opensourcebeer
Footballguy
I like that he's going to be only 23 going into his third NFL season. He's flashing and has chemistry with a promising rookie QB.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
He’s still only 22. This past week was his first game over 60 yards receiving in 18 games played. I suppose players have to start somewhere. IIRC, of the WRs drafted last year and this year, he ranks 27th in career receiving yards. It’s been 35 games since the last time a NE WR had 100 receiving yards in a game. Q
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Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
lol someone just “liked” this post. Yeah, Boutte did not end up as gloriously as i expected. Also, I have long since fallen out of love. HahaI love this kid.
he’s not quite JSN but he’s damn close. Landing spot will have a lot to do with upside, but I have them as 1A and 1B for 2023.
But it sounds like he’s coming along.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
This guy has fought for a roster spot through changes in NE and seemingly got his head on straight. In the new FBG Waldman article he points out that a NE insider predicts him to out produce Diggs. I was always intrigued by him after his big year at LSU, someone to possibly keep an eye on.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
In a deep enough league, I still don't think he's a bad dynasty stash. Especially, just to take a look at what happens in week 1.
That said, I feel like there was a lot of behind-the-scenes positivity leaking out last year about Boutte. I have rostered him for sections of the past two seasons hoping the LSU devy stud would come out post-injury. He occasionally flashed, but could never string anything together to give me enough hope to continue to roster. I'm keeping an eye out, but color me skeptical.
I feel like we're also hearing similar things about how good Demario Douglas is going to be. Very similar experience chasing that one, though he's probably the more likely guy to step up for fantasy. As much as I'd like Maye to ascend to a top-5 fantasy QB, color me skeptical that all these guys are suddenly going to emerge in a fantasy meaningful way if Diggs is healthy and Henderson is in the mix. If Diggs is injured and Kyle Williams fails to get on the field, then maybe one of them is a thing.
I also can't help think about Ja'Lynn Polk ascending in re-draft leagues last August as a rookie breakout candidate. I know nuance is required figuring out what sources are reporting what, but it just feels like a lot of positive "rumblings" on Patriots wide receivers that haven't proven useful for the fantasy breakout watch.
That said, I feel like there was a lot of behind-the-scenes positivity leaking out last year about Boutte. I have rostered him for sections of the past two seasons hoping the LSU devy stud would come out post-injury. He occasionally flashed, but could never string anything together to give me enough hope to continue to roster. I'm keeping an eye out, but color me skeptical.
I feel like we're also hearing similar things about how good Demario Douglas is going to be. Very similar experience chasing that one, though he's probably the more likely guy to step up for fantasy. As much as I'd like Maye to ascend to a top-5 fantasy QB, color me skeptical that all these guys are suddenly going to emerge in a fantasy meaningful way if Diggs is healthy and Henderson is in the mix. If Diggs is injured and Kyle Williams fails to get on the field, then maybe one of them is a thing.
I also can't help think about Ja'Lynn Polk ascending in re-draft leagues last August as a rookie breakout candidate. I know nuance is required figuring out what sources are reporting what, but it just feels like a lot of positive "rumblings" on Patriots wide receivers that haven't proven useful for the fantasy breakout watch.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I agree this is no sure way thing, but he did take a small step last year and with the positive reports I think it is worth monitoring. I doubt a Vrabel-led team ever will turn into a heavy passing squad, but worth keeping an eye on a young once highly touted talent.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
IMO, the hype over NE players is just that. Hype.
- McDaniels offense is incredibly hard to learn and adjust to. IMO, it was built for Brady . . . not for Maye. Maye's weaknesses are what Brady was great at . . . and his strengths are not what the McDaniels system is designed around. Maye himself has already indicated it's a lot to understand and process. Their may be a mismatch here.
- Maye truly only "won" one game last season. He got knocked out with a concussion in the first half of a Brissett led comeback, while the last week he played 5 snaps before Milton exploded aginst BUF backups. That was Boutte's big week . . . in a game that didnt matter, against a team disengaaged, without Maye throwing the ball.
- Maye's passing stats were significantly worse than Mac Jones' stats as a rookie . .. yet Maye is said to be a star in the making. That could happen, but IMO he's a long way's away.
- McDaniels' offenses when he gets brought in generally GET WORSE than the offense performed the season before. In this case, the Pats were so putrid offensively that may not happen.
- Rookie and young WRs historically havent fared well in the McDaniels scheme. Not even a little bit. ANd his scheme is new to everyone except Hollins.
- The NE O-line is still an issue. It was terrible the past two seasons. They have new faces, but I am hesistant to suggest they have turned the corner here.
- IMO, NE has a bunch of merely ok WR options now but don't have a big piece of a receiving pie to go around. Diggs, Douglas, Boutte, Williams, Hollins, some say Chism. They don't have a clear alpha, and their top WR has struggled to get to 800 yards and has been in the 600s lately.
I still see NE as a Bottom 5 offense. The hype is built on nostalgia and the return of the Patriot's Way. I still think they are severly limited in talent. I'm not sure they will have many fantasy assets . . . not even Henderson. But that's a different discussion.
- McDaniels offense is incredibly hard to learn and adjust to. IMO, it was built for Brady . . . not for Maye. Maye's weaknesses are what Brady was great at . . . and his strengths are not what the McDaniels system is designed around. Maye himself has already indicated it's a lot to understand and process. Their may be a mismatch here.
- Maye truly only "won" one game last season. He got knocked out with a concussion in the first half of a Brissett led comeback, while the last week he played 5 snaps before Milton exploded aginst BUF backups. That was Boutte's big week . . . in a game that didnt matter, against a team disengaaged, without Maye throwing the ball.
- Maye's passing stats were significantly worse than Mac Jones' stats as a rookie . .. yet Maye is said to be a star in the making. That could happen, but IMO he's a long way's away.
- McDaniels' offenses when he gets brought in generally GET WORSE than the offense performed the season before. In this case, the Pats were so putrid offensively that may not happen.
- Rookie and young WRs historically havent fared well in the McDaniels scheme. Not even a little bit. ANd his scheme is new to everyone except Hollins.
- The NE O-line is still an issue. It was terrible the past two seasons. They have new faces, but I am hesistant to suggest they have turned the corner here.
- IMO, NE has a bunch of merely ok WR options now but don't have a big piece of a receiving pie to go around. Diggs, Douglas, Boutte, Williams, Hollins, some say Chism. They don't have a clear alpha, and their top WR has struggled to get to 800 yards and has been in the 600s lately.
I still see NE as a Bottom 5 offense. The hype is built on nostalgia and the return of the Patriot's Way. I still think they are severly limited in talent. I'm not sure they will have many fantasy assets . . . not even Henderson. But that's a different discussion.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I appreciate your non-biased opinion along with detailed reasoning on NE. I do not expect huge numbers from Boutte but think there is an outside shot of him being relevant at times. This all assumes he continues to improve and gets enough opportunities, which are not are not sure things.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
NE players will likely be frustrating for fantasy this year. There are several guys that might have decent weeks and flash. And then not have a decent week for another month. I don't think there will be consistent producers, which will make actually starting guys from NE a tough ask unless you need a bye week or injury fill in.Put another way, I dont think they will have guys that can be regular fantasy starters. You might be able to get a good matchup for a flex spot, but they likely won't have a set him and forget him player you just leave in your line up.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
2nd career 100 yard day, good start.
dipandglide
Footballguy
What are you expecting to get in return?
jm192
Footballguy
"Expect" absolutely nothing. I'll be surprised if I get many (if any) offers.
But people overreact to week 1. If he does this in week 7, it's obviously a fluky good week. Week 1 is the only data point we have and people feel like they missed out or got a guy wrong, and hope they can fix that for cheap. He's a guy that had a good pedigree and is entering his 3rd year.
Maybe I'll look at some underperforming week 1 guys and send a few offers.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I was skeptical based on an opportunity that seemed to be there for the taking last season. Will have to try to get back on in waivers and see where it goes. Expecting the fantasy points to go somewhere else next week if successful, but three of his last four stat lines dating back to last year have now been really good.
Rostering Horton over him seemed like a no-brainer last week. I should have prioritized the fact that we knew the week 1 opportunity would be there for Boutte.
Rostering Horton over him seemed like a no-brainer last week. I should have prioritized the fact that we knew the week 1 opportunity would be there for Boutte.
zamboni
Footballguy
ponchsox
Footballguy
Agreed.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
It's worth noting that he finished last year very strong too, so it's not JUST a 1 week thing for him.
Still a small sample, but 3 of his last 4 games now over 5+ catches and 90+ yards.
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zoonation
Footballguy
what do we think we need to spend? didn't have a first round pick this year in main league (title run) and was already thin before Worthy went out. I don't think Worthy comes back before week 4 and even then doubt he runs value on his draft capital with that shoulder.
10/100 fab should do it, no? too much?
10/100 fab should do it, no? too much?
For better or worse I don't have that problem as I started Chase/Hill/Jameson/Worthy and am firmly at the top of our WW list based on worst record/points.
PatsFanCT 2.0
Footballguy
With Diggs drawing doubles, Boutte could legit lead the team in every receiving category. The Pats certainly won't be going anywhere this year, so anything promising is a welcoming watch.
shadrap
Footballguy
perfect
Anarchy99
Footballguy
These aren’t accurate. It’s two of the last four games with Maye. One of the games was with Milton.
zamboni
Footballguy
Paradise lost a bit with that factoid.
