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WR Kayshon Boutte, NE (2 Viewers)
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Insein
Footballguy
This feels like the waiver add you look back on in week 10 and say "why didn't I spend a little more FAAB to get him!?" Kind of like Puka 2 years ago. Not saying he's Puka but no one knew Puka was Puka until he was Puka. Then it was too late. He was on your league mates squad and he ends up winning the championship. Purely hypothetical scenario that in no way happened.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I'm probably overspending, but the defending champ in our empire league is extremely weak at WR and I'm not getting beat by a guy I stashed for a good chunk of the season last year. The next best option, Calvin Austin, scares me a lot less.
Now that the offseason buzz has been validated, it makes it easier to justify paying a premium. Also, week 1 is a good week to get aggressive.
I'm still not sure he'll be able to consistently get separation, but obviously the chemistry is there with Maye. There's enough to like to take a real swing.
Kuz
Footballguy
TampaMike19
Footballguy
In a 12 teamer the first number that came up for me in gut feel for Boutte was between 12 to 17%. Not egregious but enough to maybe win the bid. Won't be sad to miss out but I'm not convinced many mainstreamers or even savvy people are confident in what they see with the Patriots and Boutee. I feel solid about him as him and Diggs, but I'm not sure this team will be scoring a lot of touchdowns.
Overall I like him more in half and PPR.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
34% on a 25-man roster dynasty where most of the guys capable of putting up this kind of line are already stashed. If there's a free agent that actually has a chance to be real, fire away.
If my re-draft team could use some WR help, significantly less. I actually don't even think I have the roster space to justify the add, depending on how you feel about Hollywood Brown.
Having FF success for me is also staying on top of roster construction.
I have Diggs, and if not for owning two WRs from the same team, Boutte would be my #1 pickup over Brown + QJ.
This is a very tough call for me. I'm also a believer of spending FAAB after week 1.
I have Nico, AJB, Sutton, Diggs, J. Addison and yes nobody cares about my roster. But this is what I am pivoting from.
I have Diggs, and if not for owning two WRs from the same team, Boutte would be my #1 pickup over Brown + QJ.
This is a very tough call for me. I'm also a believer of spending FAAB after week 1.
I have Nico, AJB, Sutton, Diggs, J. Addison and yes nobody cares about my roster. But this is what I am pivoting from.
BespokeJort
Footballguy
Legit couldn’t give this guy away as cutdowns hit. Glad nobody took me up on my attempts to move him; sometimes it’s better to be lucky than good.
Given the early college pedigree pre-injury it feels very worth a cheap swing at any signs that guy might still be in there
Given the early college pedigree pre-injury it feels very worth a cheap swing at any signs that guy might still be in there
Kuz
Footballguy
That's about what I think has well. Going 15 out of 100. Hope that's enough
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think you may want to consider changing your stance on him, he continues to get better and there is not a lot of target competition. Watch Vrabel trade to get AJ Brown back now…
Kuz
Footballguy
I don't really think he will be as good as Puka so not going that high. He good though. Probably just stick with 15% & see how it goes.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I didn't give an opinion on Boutte. I was pointing out he had played the most snaps (which is a good thing). Boutte is likely capable . . . but the offense overall may not be. I expect NE will have a round robin of guys that spike one week and then revert to being fantasy unstart-able for several weeks and maddeningly inconsistent. Maybe this was one of Boutte's decent 3-4 weeks for the entire season. He's scored 10+ fantasy points in PPR leagues 4 times in 21 games played. Maybe he is getting better, maybe the team doesn't have great alternatives, maybe he is starting to "get it." I am still cautious that the McDaniels system is not easy to learn for a 23-year-old . . . and that may impact Maye as well.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
The bold along with the fact that there were guys touting the deep sleeper potential at this time last year are why I was pretty skiddish, despite some posters here dong a great job of sounding the alarm before the opener.
That said, I think big production in 3 of the last 4 is the one that most people should be keying in on. If he immediately starts looking like the 4-of-21 guy, I will sigh, mourn my depleted faab and move on.
On an unrelated rant, this is the perfect example of why my MFL league not having visibility to week 18 stats is a problem. Guy finishing the season with legit fantasy production in 2 of his last 3 would have read a lot different than 1-of-2 when considering offseason stashes.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
The week 18 game was essentially a preseason game. The Bills benched everyone and were playing 2nd and 3rd stringers. Milton played for NE and half of Botte’s receiving total game on a school yard, busted play. I get it, stats are still stats. I am not anti Boutte. I think defenses will adjust if he starts becoming a primary target.
sushinsky4tsar
Footballguy
I view this one as a night and day waiver option between typical home re-draft leagues vs deep dynasty. I wish I could make room for him in both re-draft leagues but I only have six or seven bench spots to work with. I don't consider him a marginal upgrade over existing more established options. I'm throwing a couple of faab bucks just in case, but I'm not sure rolling the dice on him over Tuten is even the right play. I agree that the odds of him being a league winner or even a staple in my starting lineup are remote. Doing enough to hang around as a bench player is the likely best case.
In dynasty, it's pretty simple. A potential (and current) WR1 on his NFL team is a FA in a fantasy league where just about every NFL team's #2 is rostered, along with a fair number of #3s. Even if he's the worst #1 in the league, I've gone seasons without seeing an opportunity like that on waivers. It takes a perfect storm for a player to be capable of that while going undrafted in our rookie/free agency draft, and still not generate enough buzz to get scooped prior to the start of the season. The Diggs name, Demario Douglas hype, and 3rd round WR made for a hell of a smoke screen if he actually does hold down anything resembling the top spot.
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Based on the ESPN Analytics Receiver Scores mentioned in the Thornton thread by @rockaction Boutte was 38 out of 116 qualifying WRs in 2024 on Overall Ratings.
He was top 5 in Catch, 30th in YAC, but near the bottom in Open (#104).
I haven't seen much of his video. Does this profile as a WR with good hands who does well versus zone coverage? He was a track star in high school, before the injuries at LSU.
espnanalytics.com
He was top 5 in Catch, 30th in YAC, but near the bottom in Open (#104).
I haven't seen much of his video. Does this profile as a WR with good hands who does well versus zone coverage? He was a track star in high school, before the injuries at LSU.
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King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I think he creates good separation on comeback routes and appears to be solid finding room in zone coverage. He has had some deep ball success in the past and seems to catch the ball well when closely covered, but he is definitely not a burner.Based on the ESPN Analytics Receiver Scores mentioned in another the Thornton thread by @rockaction Boutte was 38 out of 116 qualifying WRs in 2024 on Overall Ratings.
He was top 5 in Catch, 30th in YAC, but near the bottom in Open (#104).
I haven't seen much of his video. Does this profile as a WR with good hands who does well versus zone coverage? He was a track star in high school, before the injuries at LSU.
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rockaction
Footballguy
Based on the ESPN Analytics Receiver Scores mentioned in the Thornton thread by @rockaction Boutte was 38 out of 116 qualifying WRs in 2024 on Overall Ratings.
He was top 5 in Catch, 30th in YAC, but near the bottom in Open (#104).
I haven't seen much of his video. Does this profile as a WR with good hands who does well versus zone coverage? He was a track star in high school, before the injuries at LSU.
NFL Receiver Scores - ESPN Analytics
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Man, I wish I’d seen this. I subscribe to Reception Perception and Matt Harmon charted him as a senior and charted last week’s game. It was not a positive result.
“Bottom-line, Boutte’s success rates of 55% vs. man coverage (55.6% of routes) and 68.8% vs zone (44.4% of routes) are just too low for him to be a consistently high volume player. His best comparables, if extrapolating those success rates to a full season, which is almost certainly stupid of me to do, with this alignment would be something like the Marquez Valdes-Scantling bucket, Kenny Britt or Kelvin Benjamin based on full-history RP data.”
Oof. Stay away.
Versus Miami's decimated secondary, any WR might do well. Especially if the front 7 doesn’t live up to high expectations. Boutte might do well for one more week, although a better play might be Douglas who did well last year versus Miami. We have a rookie 5th round pick (Jason Marshall) playing the slot, while the starting CBs are likely to be feast or famine Jack Jones and Rasul Douglas.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
FAAB is meant to be used to acquire players. I’d rather go through it too quickly than too slowly and end up with unused amounts after the season is over.
Insein
Footballguy
Some people in my league never spend FAAB. I don't know if they don't understand it or refuse to do it. There's always at least 1-2 guys with the full $1000 at the end of the year. I usually try to get one of them to throw in $500 of faab if I make a trade with them during the year because they see it as no value.
TheDirtyWord
Footballguy
Even if you take the Milton game away...the last 4 Boutte has played, he still is generating 9.8 Yards/Target.
I certainly understand not crowning him, but we've got a second year stud QB finding his way in the NFL and starting to develop kinship with his receivers.
Boutte is a guy that famously slid draft wise - the idea that he straightened himself out and is starting to capitalize on his talent through real on field production doesn't feel to far-fetched.
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
Got him for $0.
It's a RB heavy league with .5 point per carry and Tuten went $1. Sampson $15. Hollywood $6. Pittman $3. Herbert $33.
It's a short bench with zero IR spots... I am most surprised with Herbert and Sampson going for that much.
It's a RB heavy league with .5 point per carry and Tuten went $1. Sampson $15. Hollywood $6. Pittman $3. Herbert $33.
It's a short bench with zero IR spots... I am most surprised with Herbert and Sampson going for that much.
Sarlakticacid
Footballguy
Was McDaniel the wr whisperer who lead to a Den wr, can’t recall his name, going ballistic many years ago?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Wasn’t Demaryius Thomas was it?
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
I got him for 4%, but our league retains the FAAB amount as the players salary for keeper purposes.
taylormeetstheismann
Footballguy
That would certainly temper bidding.
Soulfly3
Footballguy
5th out of 66 is a lil more than above average.
Your poor children having to come home with only an A
VikingFrog
Footballguy
Not even top 3.5th out of 66 is a lil more than above average.
Your poor children having to come home with only an A
TVT 0 N S T A
Footballguy
IIRC, Boutte was ahead of Nabers until he suffered that injury leading to him declaring for the draft. His player profile is strong and would have been a first round candidate in 2022.
It's odd we are propping up Diggs, who is two years removed from a productive season in the league. I am not saying Diggs is done but I am saying Boutte and Kyle Williams are the future of this offense and I could see Boutte finishing in the top 30. 6 receptions for 100+ yards (add a touchdown to that number and we are rolling).
It's odd we are propping up Diggs, who is two years removed from a productive season in the league. I am not saying Diggs is done but I am saying Boutte and Kyle Williams are the future of this offense and I could see Boutte finishing in the top 30. 6 receptions for 100+ yards (add a touchdown to that number and we are rolling).
finfansteve
Footballguy
Picked him up for free this am for Loveland. Might try to get Loveland back in a couple weeks but for now he was my most droppable player. Might regret this in a week or two but giving him a shot
Gjallarhorn
Footballguy
Are you putting him above Diggs?
VikingFrog
Footballguy
I dropped Najee for him in multiple places. But I was fairly stronger at the RB position in those leagues.
Wrigley
Footballguy
I’m a little weak at RB, running out Pollard as my RB2
Dickies
Footballguy
I am starting him over Diggs in my main money league.
zoonation
Footballguy
yes.
every site, including this one, has Boutte as the 3rd best NE WR option this week. Behind Douglas. I just don't get it. Balled out at the end of last year, glowing camp reviews all summer, and then balls out week 1 again.
But WR55-60 this week? Nah. Try 15-20. I actually feel stupid for not drafting him.
I am kicking myself for dropping him in dynasty before the season started. Tried to get him but my 50 something percent did not match up to the 60 something percent he went for. At least I got him in redraft.
The camp reports were good. He showed some promise last year with Maye. He has the pedigree. If he has whatever preinjury form he had (even if not all the way there), he should be in for a breakout.
The camp reports were good. He showed some promise last year with Maye. He has the pedigree. If he has whatever preinjury form he had (even if not all the way there), he should be in for a breakout.
jm192
Footballguy
I'm all for it.
I paid 17.3% in Shark Pool Dos.
I paid 18% in another PPR league. 18.5 in a third.
Lost him in 1 where I bid 16, but had bid 17% on Tillman and got him. Variety being the spice of life and all that.
