WR Kevin White, NO (1 Viewer)

[Faust]

Kevin White compared to Julio Jones, Brandon Marshall

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Kevin White - WR - Mountaineers

West Virginia's Kevin White dishearteningly ranks as the No. 8 receiver in the class, in the estimation of Football Outsiders' Playmaker Score.

The organization uses the system to project wide receivers to the next level. "White's total numbers for his senior year were good: 1,447 receiving yards, 10 touchdowns," wrote FO's Nathan Forster. "However, the numbers for senior wide receivers who succeed at the NFL level are often much better than White's, especially considering that the Mountaineers threw the ball 534 times. Kendall Wright, for example, entered the draft as a senior, but had more impressive totals: 1,663 receiving yards in only 424 team passing attempts. ... White may have impressed with a 4.35 second 40-yard dash at the combine, but all else being equal, the combine 40 isn't a consistent predictor of future NFL success for receivers." The system offered Michael Floyd and Donnie Avery as similar historical prospects. The 6-foot-3, 215-pound White, a possible top-5 pick, is pegged by Rotoworld as the class' premier receiver.

Source: ESPN Insider

Mar 29 - 9:09 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Kevin White - WR - Mountaineers
NFL Media analyst Mike Mayock says West Virginia's Kevin White "has the highest ceiling of any wide receiver in the draft."
The analyst continues to rank White as the No. 1 receiver, an opinion Rotoworld shares. The 6-foot-3, 215-pound White ran a 4.35 40-yard dash at the combine. He could go as high as No. 4 to the Raiders, but isn't going to drop much further than that if Oakland goes in a different direction. White came out of nowhere to drop 1,663 receiving yards on the Big 12 last year.

Source: NFL.com
Mar 31 - 6:34 PM

 

[ConnSKINS26]

This is very Eminence of me, and I apologize. But with how wishy-washy value and amateur scouting in dynasty can be, I just want to get it on record that I got one right lol---called my shot on White back in September:

14 team Devy league, TE premium, start minimum 1 RB

Gave:

T.J. Yeldon

Stefon Diggs

Bryce Brown

3rd round rookie pick

Got:

Likely 1.01 (devy-weakened) rookie pick

Owen Daniels

This pick is nearly guaranteed to be the 1.01. The normal devy names are missing, it's a one round devy draft, everyone eligible.

Obviously it would be risky to plug in a name at that pick in September, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't imagine this pick being Kevin White right now.

I think having the 1.01 gives me more options and flexibility than holding Yeldon/Diggs and hoping they end up as 1st round rookie prospects.

I love Parker, but right now the pick is still looking like it will be White.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Kevin White - WR - Mountaineers

West Virginia WR Kevin White said he should be chosen over Alabama's Amari Cooper because "I think I bring a lot more to the table."

"Amari Cooper is a great receiver, a great competitor, but I think I bring a lot more to the table," White said. "He's at Alabama with Nick Saban. They have a whole bunch of other tools that help him out where he's not getting double-covered. A lot of attention is not just strictly on Amari Cooper. ... On West Virginia, it's just, 'OK, let's shut Kevin White down.' They have a lot of attention toward me." The comments likely won't be well received in Morgantown and they certainly won't be received well by WVU coach Dana Holgorsen, but you can't easily argue when he cites his time at JUCO in saying "I haven't learned or been taught the little secrets" about being a wide receiver. Of course, Cooper could just as easily say that the Mountaineers threw on 48.7 percent of their plays against 44.3 percent passes for the Tide. White also only had one good (actually great) collegiate season, which is why Football Outsiders' Playmaker Score ranked him as the No. 8

Source: NFL.com

Mar 31 - 10:02 PM

 

[jurb26]

Rotoworld:

Kevin White - WR - Mountaineers

West Virginia WR Kevin White said he should be chosen over Alabama's Amari Cooper because "I think I bring a lot more to the table.""Amari Cooper is a great receiver, a great competitor, but I think I bring a lot more to the table," White said. "He's at Alabama with Nick Saban. They have a whole bunch of other tools that help him out where he's not getting double-covered. A lot of attention is not just strictly on Amari Cooper. ... On West Virginia, it's just, 'OK, let's shut Kevin White down.' They have a lot of attention toward me." The comments likely won't be well received in Morgantown and they certainly won't be received well by WVU coach Dana Holgorsen, but you can't easily argue when he cites his time at JUCO in saying "I haven't learned or been taught the little secrets" about being a wide receiver. Of course, Cooper could just as easily say that the Mountaineers threw on 48.7 percent of their plays against 44.3 percent passes for the Tide. White also only had one good (actually great) collegiate season, which is why Football Outsiders' Playmaker Score ranked him as the No. 8

Source: NFL.com

Mar 31 - 10:02 PM

So not only did White completely throw his team and coaches under the bus. He also managed to look ignorant to the attention Cooper actually received this year and how teams tried to cover him. I mean, maybe he should have actually watched some of the games? Lucky for him WR who run their mouth don't really get penalized in the NFL. It shouldn't hurt his draft stock much. It doesn't exactly make him look very bright, though.

 

[Xue]

Rotoworld:

Kevin White - WR - Mountaineers

West Virginia WR Kevin White said he should be chosen over Alabama's Amari Cooper because "I think I bring a lot more to the table.""Amari Cooper is a great receiver, a great competitor, but I think I bring a lot more to the table," White said. "He's at Alabama with Nick Saban. They have a whole bunch of other tools that help him out where he's not getting double-covered. A lot of attention is not just strictly on Amari Cooper. ... On West Virginia, it's just, 'OK, let's shut Kevin White down.' They have a lot of attention toward me." The comments likely won't be well received in Morgantown and they certainly won't be received well by WVU coach Dana Holgorsen, but you can't easily argue when he cites his time at JUCO in saying "I haven't learned or been taught the little secrets" about being a wide receiver. Of course, Cooper could just as easily say that the Mountaineers threw on 48.7 percent of their plays against 44.3 percent passes for the Tide. White also only had one good (actually great) collegiate season, which is why Football Outsiders' Playmaker Score ranked him as the No. 8

Source: NFL.com

Mar 31 - 10:02 PM

So not only did White completely throw his team and coaches under the bus. He also managed to look ignorant to the attention Cooper actually received this year and how teams tried to cover him. I mean, maybe he should have actually watched some of the games?Lucky for him WR who run their mouth don't really get penalized in the NFL. It shouldn't hurt his draft stock much. It doesn't exactly make him look very bright, though.

Mario Alford came from JUCO, how come he was a good route runner? Wes Welker, MIchael Crabtree and Stedman Bailey were very good route runners and played for Holgorsen. I don't get Kevin White's excuse, especially when comparing himself to Cooper. Did Alabama teach Cooper how to run routes in high school?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Rotoworld:

Kevin White - WR - Mountaineers

West Virginia WR Kevin White said he should be chosen over Alabama's Amari Cooper because "I think I bring a lot more to the table.""Amari Cooper is a great receiver, a great competitor, but I think I bring a lot more to the table," White said. "He's at Alabama with Nick Saban. They have a whole bunch of other tools that help him out where he's not getting double-covered. A lot of attention is not just strictly on Amari Cooper. ... On West Virginia, it's just, 'OK, let's shut Kevin White down.' They have a lot of attention toward me." The comments likely won't be well received in Morgantown and they certainly won't be received well by WVU coach Dana Holgorsen, but you can't easily argue when he cites his time at JUCO in saying "I haven't learned or been taught the little secrets" about being a wide receiver. Of course, Cooper could just as easily say that the Mountaineers threw on 48.7 percent of their plays against 44.3 percent passes for the Tide. White also only had one good (actually great) collegiate season, which is why Football Outsiders' Playmaker Score ranked him as the No. 8

Source: NFL.com

Mar 31 - 10:02 PM

So not only did White completely throw his team and coaches under the bus. He also managed to look ignorant to the attention Cooper actually received this year and how teams tried to cover him. I mean, maybe he should have actually watched some of the games?Lucky for him WR who run their mouth don't really get penalized in the NFL. It shouldn't hurt his draft stock much. It doesn't exactly make him look very bright, though.

Yeah, confidence is nice and all but this was a poor decision on his part.

 

[Faust]

Redskins draft prospects: Kevin White

 

[Xue]

https://mobile.twitter.com/ProFootballTalk/status/582946423089565696

Kevin White says he hasn't been getting many requests for meetings or workouts since the Scouting Combine, but it doesn't make him nervous.

 

[Xue]

It keeps getting better.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2015/03/kevin_white_i_think_i_bring_a.html

when asked whether Cooper faced better competition in the SEC than what he matched up against in the Big 12.

"That's ridiculous," White said regarding that notion. "I played against Alabama, and I had good numbers. Then I played Texas A&M and had good numbers as well. I thought it was a lot easier than the Big 12 if you ask me. My junior year, we had guys like Jason Verrett, Justin Gilbert. There's a whole bunch of great corners, great defense.

"I feel like the SEC [that] they have so much pride where they're not going to double you. They don't double you in the SEC. In the Big 12, they're not all about the pride, so they will double you and give you a lot more attention. So the whole SEC thing, I'm not buying it."

 

[ConnSKINS26]

It keeps getting better.

http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2015/03/kevin_white_i_think_i_bring_a.html

when asked whether Cooper faced better competition in the SEC than what he matched up against in the Big 12.

"That's ridiculous," White said regarding that notion. "I played against Alabama, and I had good numbers. Then I played Texas A&M and had good numbers as well. I thought it was a lot easier than the Big 12 if you ask me. My junior year, we had guys like Jason Verrett, Justin Gilbert. There's a whole bunch of great corners, great defense.

"I feel like the SEC [that] they have so much pride where they're not going to double you. They don't double you in the SEC. In the Big 12, they're not all about the pride, so they will double you and give you a lot more attention. So the whole SEC thing, I'm not buying it."

Not really seeing what's wrong with what he's saying here? You can disagree, but he's not saying anything like he did further up the page.

 

[Zyphros]

Xue's just trying to bash White any way he can

 

[jurb26]

It keeps getting better.http://www.al.com/alabamafootball/index.ssf/2015/03/kevin_white_i_think_i_bring_a.html

when asked whether Cooper faced better competition in the SEC than what he matched up against in the Big 12.

"That's ridiculous," White said regarding that notion. "I played against Alabama, and I had good numbers. Then I played Texas A&M and had good numbers as well. I thought it was a lot easier than the Big 12 if you ask me. My junior year, we had guys like Jason Verrett, Justin Gilbert. There's a whole bunch of great corners, great defense.

"I feel like the SEC [that] they have so much pride where they're not going to double you. They don't double you in the SEC. In the Big 12, they're not all about the pride, so they will double you and give you a lot more attention. So the whole SEC thing, I'm not buying it."

Not really seeing what's wrong with what he's saying here? You can disagree, but he's not saying anything like he did further up the page.

It just again shows a lack of self awareness. He wasn't doubled by Bama because they didn't think he was that good. There's nothing wrong with that. He caught a lot of people off guard this year and Bama played him the opening week. It's just a total lack of understanding what coverage Cooper faced this year.

 

[Xue]

I'm starting to get concerned with Gordon. Unlike Gurley, where I have 0 questions about his game or even his injury. Gordon on the other hand I'm not hearing too much about him and just by thread page count its 2vs9. Not the best indicator but it's something. I'm holding 1.02 in 1 league and even though I'm good at WR, I may just have to avoid the risk of Gordon and go with a guy I'm very comfortable with in Cooper/White. I don't see Cooper/White busting, but there is a chance that Gordon does. Not sure how I feel about him.

How is Gordon more likely to bust than Kevin White?

Or have zero questions about gurleys injury?

Not more likely, I'm just more sold on Kevin White translating to the NFL than I am of Gordon. We get it, you hate White, does that have to leak into every thread someone mentions him? Just leave it alone.

I'm not concerned about any of the 3 I mentioned translating, the one I am is Gordon. It's not a big concern just something I wanted to say because of the fact he seems to be slipping behind those 3, at least from what I've read. It could very well be the fact the other 3 are getting all the hype, which in result causes them to rise and Gordon is just staying constant. It may not be an indictment against him, just a result of the others rising, in which case some team at 1.04/1.05 may be getting a steal. Just pointing it out.

And no I'm not concerned with Gurley's injury.

You're not concerned about a WR who doesn't run good routes and who plays slow in his routes translating at a position where one needs to develop the most? He even admitted in a recent interview he hasn't "learned or been taught the little secrets about being a wide receiver". What is it that Gordon needs to develop?

I didn't answer because I didn't read the whole thing and assumed it was just all about White. I'm not going to talk about him. As for "What Gordon needs to develop" - He isn't a locked in a RB1 to me. He needs to work on catching the ball to be relevant at his cost otherwise he'd be a glorified Alfred Morris (not comparing styles, just value) as a late 1st round pick. Can he catch, sure he can but it isn't his strength. Obviously the o-line concerns that some people have is note worthy and the last time a "fantastic" RB prospect went in the 1st from a great o-line is Trent. Just words of caution to me that don't lock him into a #2 spot which is very likely where he is getting drafted. What Gordon did in college was outstanding, but with a worse o-line I have my concerns about him running inside and breaking tackles as well. All the little things that I do believe he will learn and become very good, but like I said before the undisputed #2? No. He's slipping behind Cooper/White for a reason.

For probably the 10th time in this thread, I do like Gordon, but he isn't as locked in as a top4 pick than the other 3 to me. I find I'm fighting myself over who to pick at 1.02. There is clearly a tier drop after the top4 (unless you put Parker in there then top5), so 4 is the lowest I see Gordon going and I wouldn't have any problem taking him there. It's just a battle for #2 and #3 that I think an argument can be made.

Here we are in the White thread. Can we talk about him now?

 

[Zyphros]

Does he run the best routes, no. That's never been a question. His comments about not learning the nuances, suggests (at least to me) that he's excited to learn them and looks forward to how good he can be. Great ball skills, probably one of the best in this draft, great at tackle breaking, decent blocker and strong. Not to mention his speed and the way he uses his body. What more could you want? The only thing you've pointed to was his route running and I'm not saying you're wrong there, but that's probably the most learnable trait. I don't see how you can't be excited about him.

 

[Xue]

Does he run the best routes, no. That's never been a question. His comments about not learning the nuances, suggests (at least to me) that he's excited to learn them and looks forward to how good he can be. Great ball skills, probably one of the best in this draft, great at tackle breaking, decent blocker and strong. Not to mention his speed and the way he uses his body. What more could you want? The only thing you've pointed to was his route running and I'm not saying you're wrong there, but that's probably the most learnable trait. I don't see how you can't be excited about him.

Great ball skills? The two vs Alabama he barely jumps. Speed? No one pegged him as a 4.35 buy before the Combine. He looked slower than Mario Alford on the field. If route running was "most learnable" why do so many WRs bust because they can't do it? My issue with White is that he doesn't show good feel for routes and that's why he doesn't run good routes. I'm also not impressed with his movement skills without the ball the same way I wasn't with Marqise Lee.

 

[Zyphros]

I by no means declare myself an expert, but I trust what I see when I watch the guys. I merely put my opinions on here and am fairly new to it because I enjoy doing it during off season for my favorite hobby. White sinks his hips pretty well so again it leads me to believe he needs small little tweaks and nuances to learn, not the core things. He doesn't play as fast as his 40 I agree but he sure does have functional speed on the tape.

The two against Alabama he doesn't elevate as much, but that's not what the catch required. It required him to jump forward a bit while controlling his body. Not straight up vertical. I would like to see him go a little more vertical sometimes but that's just the way he plays and how he tracks the ball, doubt he'd change now. How much extra jumping does he need though? He's already 6'3" and gets a decent jump when necessary.

 

[Xue]

Does he run the best routes, no. That's never been a question. His comments about not learning the nuances, suggests (at least to me) that he's excited to learn them and looks forward to how good he can be. Great ball skills, probably one of the best in this draft, great at tackle breaking, decent blocker and strong. Not to mention his speed and the way he uses his body. What more could you want? The only thing you've pointed to was his route running and I'm not saying you're wrong there, but that's probably the most learnable trait. I don't see how you can't be excited about him.

Great ball skills? The two vs Alabama he barely jumps. Speed? No one pegged him as a 4.35 buy before the Combine. He looked slower than Mario Alford on the field. If route running was "most learnable" why do so many WRs bust because they can't do it? My issue with White is that he doesn't show good feel for routes and that's why he doesn't run good routes. I'm also not impressed with his movement skills without the ball the same way I wasn't with Marqise Lee.

Just so it's on the record, do you think you know how to scout WRs better than most NFL analysts, GMs and coaches?

Someone is just here to troll me and not discuss prospects. I bet you ask this of every draftnik.

I'll be like Kevin White and say, Yes, I'm better than all of them.

 

[Faust]

West Virginia WR Kevin White to visit Tennessee Titans:

http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000483274/article/west-virginia-wr-kevin-white-to-visit-tennessee-titans

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Kevin White - WR - Mountaineers

ESPN's Kevin Weidl compares West Virginia WR Kevin White to Julio Jones.

"They both have an exceptional combination of strength and explosiveness that creates mismatches when left on an island," Weidl wrote. "In addition, both show the ability to not only stretch the field and win one-on-one battles, but also have the speed, balance and strength as runners to manufacture big yards after the catch." John Parolin of the Stats & Information Group, using numbers as opposed to game film, likens White to A.J. Green and Rueben Randle. "White's height, hand size and wingspan all compare to Randle, though White's combine performance shows superior athletic measurables," he wrote. "His total profile matches Green well; Green is an inch taller with a similar wingspan but two inches shorter on the vertical jump."

Source: ESPN Insider

Apr 4 - 12:28 AM

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Green and Randle? That dude needs to go back to the drawing board with his numbers. Horrible comps for White.

 

[Sabertooth]

Anyone willing to take White ahead of Evans right now, is a complete idiot.

And Ive been shouting White since October.

Ludicrous if you say youd take him ahead of Evans. Wow.

Huh?

Daniel Jeremiah and Charles Davis just ranked the 2014 and 2105 wr classes

Top 5

1. ODB

2. Sammie Watkins

3 Kevin white

4. Mike Evans

5. Stopped listening

Those guys aren't talking about fantasy football, are they?

fantasy or real, it doesn't matter one bit.

did you happen to see Evans last year? was absolutely dominant with doodoo at qb

you gonna pass on dominance for a guy yet to play an NFL snap? no. nor would any GM in football

Evans is no Josh Gordon.

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

If the guy does not run routes well, it does not matter how fast he is, or how good his hands are. Route running is the single most important factor in who makes it in the NFL because everything is based on timing and precision. On top of this, he is not going to have time to learn how to run precise routes once he is in the pros because he is going to be a top 10 pick and whoever picks him is going to expect him to step in and play right away.

 

[SayWhat?]

If the guy does not run routes well, it does not matter how fast he is, or how good his hands are. Route running is the single most important factor in who makes it in the NFL because everything is based on timing and precision. On top of this, he is not going to have time to learn how to run precise routes once he is in the pros because he is going to be a top 10 pick and whoever picks him is going to expect him to step in and play right away.

So because he might be playing right away, he won't have time to learn and improve? Huh?

 

[Meatwad Reloaded]

If the guy does not run routes well, it does not matter how fast he is, or how good his hands are. Route running is the single most important factor in who makes it in the NFL because everything is based on timing and precision. On top of this, he is not going to have time to learn how to run precise routes once he is in the pros because he is going to be a top 10 pick and whoever picks him is going to expect him to step in and play right away.

So because he might be playing right away, he won't have time to learn and improve? Huh?

Exactly. He will be counted on to be a number one wr right out of the gate. If he is not producing right away, there will be whispers about how he sucks, and we know all too well that in pro football, the confidence factor is huge. Not only that, but in his interviews it already appears that he lacks humility, so I would gather that he will not handle outside criticism that well. Additionally, this is not a great year to be a rookie wr. Last years class was historic in the production put forth and there will be a lot of 'Johnny Come Lately s' who are going to feel that ODB, Evans, Cook, and Watson, etc is the norm.

I think if drafted in the top 10, he will be given just enough rope to hang himself. There are slew of qbs who play for teams drafting in the top ten for whom pairing a poor route running knucklehead with will be a spectacular mistake.

Bust.

 

[Xue]

Someone is just here to troll me and not discuss prospects. I bet you ask this of every draftnik.

I'll be like Kevin White and say, Yes, I'm better than all of them.

Nope. Just those who try to pound their outlier opinions into everyone else's head.

Outlier opinion? You seriously don't see that that White doesn't move as well without the ball as he does with? It's a fact if you actually watch tape. But you obviously aren't here to discuss the actual player. If you disagree with my views on White, you're free to dispute it. I've made many statements regarding White. Which one exactly is an "outlier"? So its not ok for me to keep criticising a player's game? And that I can only make posts propping up players? I'm not allowed to freely express my own strong feelings unless it aligns with groupthink? Tell me the logic in that.

 

[Zyphros]

If the guy does not run routes well, it does not matter how fast he is, or how good his hands are. Route running is the single most important factor in who makes it in the NFL because everything is based on timing and precision. On top of this, he is not going to have time to learn how to run precise routes once he is in the pros because he is going to be a top 10 pick and whoever picks him is going to expect him to step in and play right away.

So because he might be playing right away, he won't have time to learn and improve? Huh?

Exactly. He will be counted on to be a number one wr right out of the gate. If he is not producing right away, there will be whispers about how he sucks, and we know all too well that in pro football, the confidence factor is huge. Not only that, but in his interviews it already appears that he lacks humility, so I would gather that he will not handle outside criticism that well. Additionally, this is not a great year to be a rookie wr. Last years class was historic in the production put forth and there will be a lot of 'Johnny Come Lately s' who are going to feel that ODB, Evans, Cook, and Watson, etc is the norm.

I think if drafted in the top 10, he will be given just enough rope to hang himself. There are slew of qbs who play for teams drafting in the top ten for whom pairing a poor route running knucklehead with will be a spectacular mistake.

Bust.

That might be the dumbest thing I've heard. Coaches always say the most important way to get better is to PLAY THE GAME. If White is drafted in the top10 then he clearly will be on the field and he will learn. Including all the time in OTA's, training camp, preseason to get better. His route running isn't horrible that he can't win sometimes, and even then his QB will force throws and White will have the chance to make a play. You're basing his success on last years class? Just stop. Because last year was so good, then this year can't possibly do well? Stop. Cooper will bust too according to your "logic". So will ever other WR in this class.

 

[georg013]

If the guy does not run routes well, it does not matter how fast he is, or how good his hands are. Route running is the single most important factor in who makes it in the NFL because everything is based on timing and precision. On top of this, he is not going to have time to learn how to run precise routes once he is in the pros because he is going to be a top 10 pick and whoever picks him is going to expect him to step in and play right away.

So because he might be playing right away, he won't have time to learn and improve? Huh?

Exactly. He will be counted on to be a number one wr right out of the gate. If he is not producing right away, there will be whispers about how he sucks, and we know all too well that in pro football, the confidence factor is huge. Not only that, but in his interviews it already appears that he lacks humility, so I would gather that he will not handle outside criticism that well. Additionally, this is not a great year to be a rookie wr. Last years class was historic in the production put forth and there will be a lot of 'Johnny Come Lately s' who are going to feel that ODB, Evans, Cook, and Watson, etc is the norm.

I think if drafted in the top 10, he will be given just enough rope to hang himself. There are slew of qbs who play for teams drafting in the top ten for whom pairing a poor route running knucklehead with will be a spectacular mistake.

Bust.

That might be the dumbest thing I've heard. Coaches always say the most important way to get better is to PLAY THE GAME. If White is drafted in the top10 then he clearly will be on the field and he will learn. Including all the time in OTA's, training camp, preseason to get better. His route running isn't horrible that he can't win sometimes, and even then his QB will force throws and White will have the chance to make a play. You're basing his success on last years class? Just stop. Because last year was so good, then this year can't possibly do well? Stop. Cooper will bust too according to your "logic". So will ever other WR in this class.

Was coming in here to say the same thing. What the hell? Mike Evans was NOT known for his route running. Neither was Kelvin Benjamin but both of these kids played well. I don't like to come in here to tear others' opinions down so I apologize if that came off as harsh. But that has got to be the craziest inference I have ever read in this forum. Hands down.

 

[Alex P Keaton]

If the guy does not run routes well, it does not matter how fast he is, or how good his hands are. Route running is the single most important factor in who makes it in the NFL because everything is based on timing and precision. On top of this, he is not going to have time to learn how to run precise routes once he is in the pros because he is going to be a top 10 pick and whoever picks him is going to expect him to step in and play right away.

So because he might be playing right away, he won't have time to learn and improve? Huh?

Exactly. He will be counted on to be a number one wr right out of the gate. If he is not producing right away, there will be whispers about how he sucks, and we know all too well that in pro football, the confidence factor is huge. Not only that, but in his interviews it already appears that he lacks humility, so I would gather that he will not handle outside criticism that well. Additionally, this is not a great year to be a rookie wr. Last years class was historic in the production put forth and there will be a lot of 'Johnny Come Lately s' who are going to feel that ODB, Evans, Cook, and Watson, etc is the norm.

I think if drafted in the top 10, he will be given just enough rope to hang himself. There are slew of qbs who play for teams drafting in the top ten for whom pairing a poor route running knucklehead with will be a spectacular mistake.

Bust.

That might be the dumbest thing I've heard. Coaches always say the most important way to get better is to PLAY THE GAME. If White is drafted in the top10 then he clearly will be on the field and he will learn. Including all the time in OTA's, training camp, preseason to get better. His route running isn't horrible that he can't win sometimes, and even then his QB will force throws and White will have the chance to make a play. You're basing his success on last years class? Just stop. Because last year was so good, then this year can't possibly do well? Stop. Cooper will bust too according to your "logic". So will ever other WR in this class.

Was coming in here to say the same thing. What the hell? Mike Evans was NOT known for his route running. Neither was Kelvin Benjamin but both of these kids played well. I don't like to come in here to tear others' opinions down so I apologize if that came off as harsh. But that has got to be the craziest inference I have ever read in this forum. Hands down.

I get your point 100%. Evans was a solid route runner when I watched him though. And IMO, Benjamin looked like complete crap last year, except on jump balls.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

If the guy does not run routes well, it does not matter how fast he is, or how good his hands are. Route running is the single most important factor in who makes it in the NFL because everything is based on timing and precision. On top of this, he is not going to have time to learn how to run precise routes once he is in the pros because he is going to be a top 10 pick and whoever picks him is going to expect him to step in and play right away.

So if a team drafts him in the top 10 and expects him to step in and play right away, then we can assume that they think he can run routes, correct? I mean if it's the single most important factor and we assume that they probably would know as much as we would.

 

[ILUVBEER99]

White gets compared to Julio quite a bit but i don't think he's on Julio's level athletically/explosiveness.

Julio Jones

4.39 40

38.5 vert

135 broad

6.66 3 cone

4.25 20 shuttle

11.07 60 shuttle

Kevin White

4.35 40

36.5 vert

123 broad

6.92 3 cone

4.14 20 shuttle

11.52 60 shuttle

 

[Faust]

Reception Perception: How Kevin White Began His Ascension to the Top

 

[Sabertooth]

White gets compared to Julio quite a bit but i don't think he's on Julio's level athletically/explosiveness.

Julio Jones

4.39 40

38.5 vert

135 broad

6.66 3 cone

4.25 20 shuttle

11.07 60 shuttle

Kevin White

4.35 40

36.5 vert

123 broad

6.92 3 cone

4.14 20 shuttle

11.52 60 shuttle

He doesn't have to be. Julio is a freak. But he's not any better as a receiver than Andre Johnson or Reggie Wayne in their primes.

 

[georg013]

Thate a great point Sabertooth. Julio is not a transcedent talent. Everyone does not need to have Julio's measureables to be highly productive.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Sources tell CBS Sports' Rob Rang that the Dolphins are considering trading up into the top-ten draft picks, targeting West Virginia WR Kevin White.
We encourage readers to take every draft-related "report" with a heaping grain of salt this time of year, but the Fins need a bookend for Kenny Stills with Jarvis Landry stationed in the slot, and White would give them a dynamic presence on the perimeter. Likened to T.O. by NFL Films' Greg Cosell, White is an explosive power receiver who should make an early-career living running after the catch. The Dolphins currently have the No. 14 overall pick.

Related: Dolphins

Source: CBS Sports
Apr 8 - 8:59 PM

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

An anonymous NFL scout told ESPN that West Virginia WR Kevin White is "not going to make his living with his quickness" and will "have to work on bump-and-run and on releasing versus an NFL corner."
"Physically, he's got what you want: size, speed, hands, competitiveness," the scout said. "Because he was a juco transfer and a nonqualifier out of high school, he's going to have to show that he has the ability to understand, repeat and make changes. I think he has that in him, but he's going to have to convince people in the league." Sam Monson of Pro Football Focus passed along that White broke 25 tackles in 2014, one shy of the FBS best. "He does a great job of creating late separation when the ball is in the air," wrote ESPN's Todd McShay. "He uses his body to shield defenders and has very good body control. He made a lot of tough, contested catches on tape in 2014." Added Mel Kiper Jr.: "If there were questions about White's aptitude or work ethic, I think his 2014 season put most to rest. He completely transformed himself, getting stronger physically and becoming more adept as a route runner."

Source: ESPN Insider
Apr 8 - 9:00 PM

 

[Faust]

WR Kevin White set to visit Bears, Rams, Jets and Giants

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Kevin White - WR - Mountaineers

ESPN's Todd McShay writes that West Virginia WR Kevin White "isn't going to string together multiple moves in the open field, but he displays good vision as an open-field runner and is quick to transition upfield."

"I didn't see a burner when I watched White on tape, but his 4.35 40 time is impressive for a guy his size (6-foot-3, 215 pounds) and he clearly has enough speed to get down the field," McShay wrote. "He is also very good at tracking the deep ball and making contested catches." White could go as high as No. 4 overall to the Oakland Raiders. Even if he doesn't, he isn't going to get out of the top 10.

Source: ESPN Insider

Apr 13 - 7:12 PM

 

[Faust]

Bob Sturm’s 2015 NFL Draft profile: What I see in Kevin White, WR, West Virginia

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

West Virginia WR Kevin White "is a big athlete who can run, jump and catch better than many receivers already in the NFL," according to NFLDraftScout.com's Frank Cooney.
"White must learn how to vary it to help create separation while running routes more complicated than his good-bye move straight up the field," Cooney wrote. "Scouts were disappointed when he opted out of the Senior Bowl because they wanted to see him challenged by top defensive backs. White did not encounter much press coverage in college and relied on his ability to out-jump defenders regardless of how close they were." White declined to comment on why he skipped the Senior Bowl. When asked why he improved suddenly last year, he said: "The aggression, whether it's blocking, a lot of talk trash, just being confident in myself. I love the game, so this is what I love to do."

Source: CBS Sports
Apr 17 - 6:26 PM

 

[Faust]

Dynasty Draft Profile: Kevin White

 

[cmv5]

Thate a great point Sabertooth. Julio is not a transcedent talent. Everyone does not need to have Julio's measureables to be highly productive.

Who exactly qualifies as a transcendent talent? Julio Jones on a per game basis has to be up there with the very best. I am fine with comparisons and what not, but let's not be quick to dismiss Julio Jones when he just completed his 4th year in the league. The foot injury is the only thing that stopped him so far.

 

[georg013]

Thate a great point Sabertooth. Julio is not a transcedent talent. Everyone does not need to have Julio's measureables to be highly productive.

What exactly qualifies you as a transcendent talent? Julio Jones on a per game basis has to be up there with the very best. I am fine with comparisons and what not, but let's not be quick to dismiss Julio Jones when he just completed his 4th year in the league. The foot injury is the only thing that stopped him so far.

Transcedent talent means he is doing things no other receiver in the history of the game is doing. There is a difference between being elite and transcedent. Elite involves several other receivers. Transcedent is one of a kind. Julio Jones is not one of a kind.

 

[Zyphros]

Thate a great point Sabertooth. Julio is not a transcedent talent. Everyone does not need to have Julio's measureables to be highly productive.

What exactly qualifies you as a transcendent talent? Julio Jones on a per game basis has to be up there with the very best.I am fine with comparisons and what not, but let's not be quick to dismiss Julio Jones when he just completed his 4th year in the league. The foot injury is the only thing that stopped him so far.

Transcedent talent means he is doing things no other receiver in the history of the game is doing. There is a difference between being elite and transcedent. Elite involves several other receivers. Transcedent is one of a kind. Julio Jones is not one of a kind.

So that makes who transcendent? Calvin would be the only one that comes to mind, even though Julio/Dez/DT/AJ all could do what Calvin does. Just that Calvin is older and did it first. The only WR's in history that I can think of that would be considered transcendent would be Jerry RIce and Randy Moss.

 

[georg013]

Thate a great point Sabertooth. Julio is not a transcedent talent. Everyone does not need to have Julio's measureables to be highly productive.

What exactly qualifies you as a transcendent talent? Julio Jones on a per game basis has to be up there with the very best.I am fine with comparisons and what not, but let's not be quick to dismiss Julio Jones when he just completed his 4th year in the league. The foot injury is the only thing that stopped him so far.

Transcedent talent means he is doing things no other receiver in the history of the game is doing. There is a difference between being elite and transcedent. Elite involves several other receivers. Transcedent is one of a kind. Julio Jones is not one of a kind.

So that makes who transcendent? Calvin would be the only one that comes to mind, even though Julio/Dez/DT/AJ all could do what Calvin does. Just that Calvin is older and did it first. The only WR's in history that I can think of that would be considered transcendent would be Jerry RIce and Randy Moss.

There you have it.

 

[ConnSKINS26]

Thate a great point Sabertooth. Julio is not a transcedent talent. Everyone does not need to have Julio's measureables to be highly productive.

What exactly qualifies you as a transcendent talent? Julio Jones on a per game basis has to be up there with the very best.I am fine with comparisons and what not, but let's not be quick to dismiss Julio Jones when he just completed his 4th year in the league. The foot injury is the only thing that stopped him so far.

Transcedent talent means he is doing things no other receiver in the history of the game is doing. There is a difference between being elite and transcedent. Elite involves several other receivers. Transcedent is one of a kind. Julio Jones is not one of a kind.

So that makes who transcendent? Calvin would be the only one that comes to mind, even though Julio/Dez/DT/AJ all could do what Calvin does. Just that Calvin is older and did it first. The only WR's in history that I can think of that would be considered transcendent would be Jerry RIce and Randy Moss.

There you have it.

So....why even use the word in this conversation, then?

 

[Zyphros]

Thate a great point Sabertooth. Julio is not a transcedent talent. Everyone does not need to have Julio's measureables to be highly productive.

What exactly qualifies you as a transcendent talent? Julio Jones on a per game basis has to be up there with the very best.I am fine with comparisons and what not, but let's not be quick to dismiss Julio Jones when he just completed his 4th year in the league. The foot injury is the only thing that stopped him so far.

Transcedent talent means he is doing things no other receiver in the history of the game is doing. There is a difference between being elite and transcedent. Elite involves several other receivers. Transcedent is one of a kind. Julio Jones is not one of a kind.

So that makes who transcendent? Calvin would be the only one that comes to mind, even though Julio/Dez/DT/AJ all could do what Calvin does. Just that Calvin is older and did it first. The only WR's in history that I can think of that would be considered transcendent would be Jerry RIce and Randy Moss.

There you have it.

If they all can do what the "transcendent" player can do how are they not considered transcendent as well? It makes no sense.

Back to Kevin White though, I don't think he is transcendent YET, but he has the ability of some of these top guys that could eventually bring him in the conversation.

 

[spider321]

Gotta agree with georg here. Unless you are talking about Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, or some other "god-like" player, please refrain from using the term "transcendent".

"Elite" works just fine.

 

[georg013]

Gotta agree with georg here. Unless you are talking about Jerry Rice, Barry Sanders, Jim Brown, Lawrence Taylor, or some other "god-like" player, please refrain from using the term "transcendent".

"Elite" works just fine.

This is exactly my point. Thanks spider. I know it breaks some hearts coming to grips with the idea that your guy is only elite but you will live. Transcedent is not a term to be thrown around lightly. To help put this into context, currently, J.J. Watt is a transcedent player. Sure there are solid DEs in the league, but NO ONE is doing what Watt is doing. Get it?