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WR Malik Nabers, NYG (1 Viewer)

I'd be really concerned as a dynasty owner and would at least explore trade options very soon.
Has anyone done this? I bought the talent and it’s clear to me he’s elite in that regard. The severity of the concussion is somewhat concerning but there are some other red flags as well. But the talent is so enticing that finding a deal would be a challenge. I’d trade him straight up for Ceedee, JJ, Chase. Amon-ra, Nico, MHJ wouldn’t be easy decisions. They’d probably need to add a little for me to give up Nabers. Any other WR wouldn’t be interested.
 
Is he the new MHJ now?
This guy with a real QB is going to be an absolute monster in the NFL. He's wide open on almost every play. Daniel Jones cannot read a defense and has zero anticipation on throws. He's bad, really bad. Let's just hope Nabers makes it through the Daniel Jones/Brian Daboll era healthy.
This. I’m considering dealing AJ Brown straight up for Nabers in dynasty. Think I’m ready. Brown is only 27, which I assumed he was almost 30. But I’m willing to take the chance on a guy that could absolutely be top 3 at WR for a decade.
 
Is he the new MHJ now?
This guy with a real QB is going to be an absolute monster in the NFL. He's wide open on almost every play. Daniel Jones cannot read a defense and has zero anticipation on throws. He's bad, really bad. Let's just hope Nabers makes it through the Daniel Jones/Brian Daboll era healthy.
This. I’m considering dealing AJ Brown straight up for Nabers in dynasty. Think I’m ready. Brown is only 27, which I assumed he was almost 30. But I’m willing to take the chance on a guy that could absolutely be top 3 at WR for a decade.
Good luck with that. Your value according to most trade charts and analyzers is only about 70% of the way there, so you'd have to add a significant piece or pick to AJB in order to land Nabers in any kind of competitive league with people who understand dynasty. Nabors is pretty much universally a top 10 start up pick. AJ Brown is down in the 20s.

And that doesn't take into consideration the fact Nabers has looked amazing in a terrible situation and is 99.9% still owned by the person who drafted him. And, at least in my experience, most drafters add a decent amount of personal value to a draft pick they made. You often need to overpay to get these guys within a year or two of when they were drafted, and usually even without the player looking as good as Nabers has. So that 70% consensus value is very likely going to get looked at more like 50% by subjective owners.
 
Is he the new MHJ now?
This guy with a real QB is going to be an absolute monster in the NFL. He's wide open on almost every play. Daniel Jones cannot read a defense and has zero anticipation on throws. He's bad, really bad. Let's just hope Nabers makes it through the Daniel Jones/Brian Daboll era healthy.
This. I’m considering dealing AJ Brown straight up for Nabers in dynasty. Think I’m ready. Brown is only 27, which I assumed he was almost 30. But I’m willing to take the chance on a guy that could absolutely be top 3 at WR for a decade.
Good luck with that. Your value according to most trade charts and analyzers is only about 70% of the way there, so you'd have to add a significant piece or pick to AJB in order to land Nabers in any kind of competitive league with people who understand dynasty. Nabors is pretty much universally a top 10 start up pick. AJ Brown is down in the 20s.

And that doesn't take into consideration the fact Nabers has looked amazing in a terrible situation and is 99.9% still owned by the person who drafted him. And, at least in my experience, most drafters add a decent amount of personal value to a draft pick they made. You often need to overpay to get these guys within a year or two of when they were drafted, and usually even without the player looking as good as Nabers has. So that 70% consensus value is very likely going to get looked at more like 50% by subjective owners.
Thanks, ended up being moot. Guy dealt Nabers before I could formally offer. He got Odunze and a low 1st rounder in exchange so I thought he got fleeced. C'est la vie.
 
How are we feeling about Danny Cutlets taking over? Safe floor WR2 is where I am currently at.
Typically when the starter gets replaced it does not look good.
However...

We all know Daniel Jones has been terrible. And as film study with fans watching the games have pointed out, he flat out just mis reads the entire field. It's not just Nabers who has been getting open and he doesn't throw them the ball. It's other receivers too.
So in that spirit my outlook for Nabers is the same. Because Jones has been so terrible it can only improve from here.

This is far and away completely different for C. Lamb owners who went from Dak to Cooper Rush.

I think I have made a fair assessment. Even as a Nabers owner and really looking with no bias at this QB change.
 
JFC not what we are looking for as a Nabers owner. His season was godly to start but has since come crashing back to earth and this won't do any more good.

Why did they sign Lock ?
 
IMO it’s hard to imagine it getting worse for Nabers and I don’t think Lock would have done more than Jones. DeVito has some pocket escapability and maybe can find Nabers downfield on rollouts. Whether he has better accuracy than Jones though remains to be seen.
 
JFC not what we are looking for as a Nabers owner. His season was godly to start but has since come crashing back to earth and this won't do any more good.

Why did they sign Lock ?

Okay. Let me put it from this perspective.
No we should not expect the same usage as beginning of the year. That is gone. So let’s move on…

Nabers is still getting open. He is still the same caliber player as he has been all year. Daniel Jones for some reason has regressed. WRs are getting open. He isn’t throwing them the ball.

So what we are looking for is a better field general than Daniel Jones.
 
Devito was kind of thrown to the wolves in his first start against dem Boys led by Quinn last year. After that he kind of got his feet underneath him and wasn't at all bad throwing to his wide receivers. Heck, Jalen Hyatt even had a 5 catch 100+ yard game and Slayton/Robinson also had respectable performances.

As long as the team doesn't go into a shell and just run, run, run, punt, it can't get any worse, it really can't. Daniel Jones had zero timing. He could not read a defense. It can't get worse.

At first I was kind of hoping Lock would start because he has a big arm, but then I came to a realization of what Lock has done in his career. Pretty close to nothing. Give me Tommy over a poor man's Daniel Jones because that's what Drew Lock is. At least with Tommy, there's a chance of progression and an understanding of who butters his bread. With Jones and Lock, they are who we thought they were.
 
Interesting - things went south last year that I thought he had big time accuracy issues. I guess it’s selective memory.
He actually played pretty well last year considering where he came from and I remember thinking it was a mistake for the Giants to go away from him in a lost season. Typical Daboll lame duck panic move, but with the Giants, even lame ducks get another year.

In his three wins as a starter, Tommy produced QB ratings 137.7, 103.9 and 113.9 with completion percentages 69.2, 68.0 and 81.0. Tommy threw 8 TDs and 3 INTs last season, but in his 6 starts, he was even more efficient throwing 7 TDs with only 1 INT.

Now, Tommy is not without his warts, he took a ton of sacks last season. His pressure recognition and hot reads need significant improvement. I don't want to paint him as the next Brock Purdy or Tom Brady, but at least there is an excitement around him and I remember several players supporting him publicly last season. As a Nabers owner, I say let's roll the dice!
 
JFC not what we are looking for as a Nabers owner. His season was godly to start but has since come crashing back to earth and this won't do any more good.

Why did they sign Lock ?
They signed Lock as an insurance policy when they weren’t going full on tank.
 
Drew would have helped Nabers’ stats. This guy probably hurts Nabers.

DeVito draws comparisons to Romo. He's a gunslinger with a good arm and quick release. Can he be a better on field general than Daniel Jones?
And a 6.1 y/a in his six starts while taking almost five sacks per game.

I'm hoping he has improved as a QB since last season but he could easily be a downgrade for Nabers.
 
Because Jones has been so terrible it can only improve from here.
No. It can also stay the same or get worse.
Yeah, its not Dak to Rush levels, but there is no reason to think DeVito won't be a downgrade from Jones.

Nabers will still be a huge target hog, and a lot of his best work is RAC work, so he's still a must start. But he's probably on the WR1/2 borderline.
No reason? Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the game, maybe one of the worst to ever play. He's Tim Tebow that was sold to us as a passer. Point is, Jones has set a fairly low bar.

DeVito took too many sacks last year, but maybe he's shed the deer in headlights syndrome. He actually looked pretty good throwing the ball. 🤷‍♂️

As a Nabers owner, I'm just happy for something different. This is not Mac Jones coming in for Trevor Lawrence. DeVito brings hope, and maybe lighting in a bottle.
 
Because Jones has been so terrible it can only improve from here.
No. It can also stay the same or get worse.
Yeah, its not Dak to Rush levels, but there is no reason to think DeVito won't be a downgrade from Jones.

Nabers will still be a huge target hog, and a lot of his best work is RAC work, so he's still a must start. But he's probably on the WR1/2 borderline.
No reason? Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the game, maybe one of the worst to ever play. He's Tim Tebow that was sold to us as a passer. Point is, Jones has set a fairly low bar.

DeVito took too many sacks last year, but maybe he's shed the deer in headlights syndrome. He actually looked pretty good throwing the ball. 🤷‍♂️

As a Nabers owner, I'm just happy for something different. This is not Mac Jones coming in for Trevor Lawrence. DeVito brings hope, and maybe lighting in a bottle.
Did he? He had a nice game against the #32 pass defense in the league last year (32nd in yards & 32nd in TDs). Otherwise he was a prime example of diminishing returns as defenses got a little film on him. Here are his yards/attempt over his six starts:
@ Dal - 3.2
@ Was - 9.5
v NE - 7.6
v GB - 7.5
@ NO - 5.2
@ Phi - 3.4

By the time he got to the #31 pass defense in the league, there was enough film on him that even they shut him down.

I am willing to believe that a year of seasoning may have helped him improve, and having Nabers will open things up a little more, but there is zero reason to think he is an improvement over Jones.
 
Because Jones has been so terrible it can only improve from here.
No. It can also stay the same or get worse.
Yeah, its not Dak to Rush levels, but there is no reason to think DeVito won't be a downgrade from Jones.

Nabers will still be a huge target hog, and a lot of his best work is RAC work, so he's still a must start. But he's probably on the WR1/2 borderline.
No reason? Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the game, maybe one of the worst to ever play. He's Tim Tebow that was sold to us as a passer. Point is, Jones has set a fairly low bar.

DeVito took too many sacks last year, but maybe he's shed the deer in headlights syndrome. He actually looked pretty good throwing the ball. 🤷‍♂️

As a Nabers owner, I'm just happy for something different. This is not Mac Jones coming in for Trevor Lawrence. DeVito brings hope, and maybe lighting in a bottle.
I couldn't disagree more with the bolded. There are several starters worse than Jones THIS SEASON, let alone ever.

This is the first season Jones has had a quality WR and he's never had a good OL. I think he's light years ahead of Tebow and would be excited to sign him as a backup QB if I were pretty much any NFL team.

Jones has a career 84.3 passer rating, which is about league average, with a roughly 3-2 TD-INT ratio, while completing over 64% of his passes.
 
Because Jones has been so terrible it can only improve from here.
No. It can also stay the same or get worse.
Yeah, its not Dak to Rush levels, but there is no reason to think DeVito won't be a downgrade from Jones.

Nabers will still be a huge target hog, and a lot of his best work is RAC work, so he's still a must start. But he's probably on the WR1/2 borderline.
No reason? Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the game, maybe one of the worst to ever play. He's Tim Tebow that was sold to us as a passer. Point is, Jones has set a fairly low bar.

DeVito took too many sacks last year, but maybe he's shed the deer in headlights syndrome. He actually looked pretty good throwing the ball. 🤷‍♂️

As a Nabers owner, I'm just happy for something different. This is not Mac Jones coming in for Trevor Lawrence. DeVito brings hope, and maybe lighting in a bottle.
I couldn't disagree more with the bolded. There are several starters worse than Jones THIS SEASON, let alone ever.

This is the first season Jones has had a quality WR and he's never had a good OL. I think he's light years ahead of Tebow and would be excited to sign him as a backup QB if I were pretty much any NFL team.

Jones has a career 84.3 passer rating, which is about league average, with a roughly 3-2 TD-INT ratio, while completing over 64% of his passes.
After watching him for 6 years
It'd not so much about the numbers
It's WHEN he throws the interception
And WHEN he misses a wide open receiver
And WHEN he...oh you get it
 
Jones is a better passer than
Because Jones has been so terrible it can only improve from here.
No. It can also stay the same or get worse.
Yeah, its not Dak to Rush levels, but there is no reason to think DeVito won't be a downgrade from Jones.

Nabers will still be a huge target hog, and a lot of his best work is RAC work, so he's still a must start. But he's probably on the WR1/2 borderline.
No reason? Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the game, maybe one of the worst to ever play. He's Tim Tebow that was sold to us as a passer. Point is, Jones has set a fairly low bar.

DeVito took too many sacks last year, but maybe he's shed the deer in headlights syndrome. He actually looked pretty good throwing the ball. 🤷‍♂️

As a Nabers owner, I'm just happy for something different. This is not Mac Jones coming in for Trevor Lawrence. DeVito brings hope, and maybe lighting in a bottle.
Jones is a better passer than Devito, but not by much. Missing out on Jones' running ability will be a big hit to the whole offense.

I would be excited for the Steelers to sign him next year
 
Because Jones has been so terrible it can only improve from here.
No. It can also stay the same or get worse.
Yeah, its not Dak to Rush levels, but there is no reason to think DeVito won't be a downgrade from Jones.

Nabers will still be a huge target hog, and a lot of his best work is RAC work, so he's still a must start. But he's probably on the WR1/2 borderline.
No reason? Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the game, maybe one of the worst to ever play. He's Tim Tebow that was sold to us as a passer. Point is, Jones has set a fairly low bar.

DeVito took too many sacks last year, but maybe he's shed the deer in headlights syndrome. He actually looked pretty good throwing the ball. 🤷‍♂️

As a Nabers owner, I'm just happy for something different. This is not Mac Jones coming in for Trevor Lawrence. DeVito brings hope, and maybe lighting in a bottle.
I couldn't disagree more with the bolded. There are several starters worse than Jones THIS SEASON, let alone ever.

This is the first season Jones has had a quality WR and he's never had a good OL. I think he's light years ahead of Tebow and would be excited to sign him as a backup QB if I were pretty much any NFL team.

Jones has a career 84.3 passer rating, which is about league average, with a roughly 3-2 TD-INT ratio, while completing over 64% of his passes.
I guess we can cherry pick stats on either side of the argument until we're blue in the face, so I won't go down that road. You say he's never played with a quality WR, I saw few QBs get to play with a RB of the quality of Saquon or the quality of TEs Jones has played with either.

If you watch him play, he's terrible. Pre-snap reads, post-snap reads, pressure recognition, accuracy, progressions, all terrible. Maybe he showed promise before his injury, but he has been brutal since. I stand by my statements. He's terrible and does not deserve to be one of the 32.
 
Because Jones has been so terrible it can only improve from here.
No. It can also stay the same or get worse.
Yeah, its not Dak to Rush levels, but there is no reason to think DeVito won't be a downgrade from Jones.

Nabers will still be a huge target hog, and a lot of his best work is RAC work, so he's still a must start. But he's probably on the WR1/2 borderline.
No reason? Daniel Jones is one of the worst QBs in the game, maybe one of the worst to ever play. He's Tim Tebow that was sold to us as a passer. Point is, Jones has set a fairly low bar.

DeVito took too many sacks last year, but maybe he's shed the deer in headlights syndrome. He actually looked pretty good throwing the ball. 🤷‍♂️

As a Nabers owner, I'm just happy for something different. This is not Mac Jones coming in for Trevor Lawrence. DeVito brings hope, and maybe lighting in a bottle.
I couldn't disagree more with the bolded. There are several starters worse than Jones THIS SEASON, let alone ever.

This is the first season Jones has had a quality WR and he's never had a good OL. I think he's light years ahead of Tebow and would be excited to sign him as a backup QB if I were pretty much any NFL team.

Jones has a career 84.3 passer rating, which is about league average, with a roughly 3-2 TD-INT ratio, while completing over 64% of his passes.
I guess we can cherry pick stats on either side of the argument until we're blue in the face, so I won't go down that road. You say he's never played with a quality WR, I saw few QBs get to play with a RB of the quality of Saquon or the quality of TEs Jones has played with either.

If you watch him play, he's terrible. Pre-snap reads, post-snap reads, pressure recognition, accuracy, progressions, all terrible. Maybe he showed promise before his injury, but he has been brutal since. I stand by my statements. He's terrible and does not deserve to be one of the 32.
Which TEs are you referring to? Waller after he mentally checked out? Evan Engram?
 
I'll say it again
He's not a starting NFL quarterback
He's an ideal H-back
Sean Peyton could make him Taysom Hill 2.0
 
Good luck with that. Your value according to most trade charts and analyzers is only about 70% of the way there, so you'd have to add a significant piece or pick to AJB in order to land Nabers in any kind of competitive league with people who understand dynasty. Nabors is pretty much universally a top 10 start up pick. AJ Brown is down in the 20s.
Source please. Neck and neck on DLF which I find very reliable in determining value of non-biased owners.
 
Some thoughts from Giants players who we can guess what their opinions might be on benching Jones actually helping anyone on the Giants for fantasy.


Sources: There is “disappointment” among some #Giants players regarding how the Daniel Jones situation was handled over the past week, especially with players aware it was primarily a financial decision by the organization.

Dexter Lawrence publicly stated on Tuesday: “He’s the QB1. To me, he’s the best quarterback on the team.

”One offensive player told me over the phone: “We’re not idiots. They did it because of money. So be it. But Daniel has been all class, never complained, and is now being completely disregarded. The TEAM record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. To try to blame him is trash, and making him third string is weak as fu**.”
 
Some thoughts from Giants players who we can guess what their opinions might be on benching Jones actually helping anyone on the Giants for fantasy.


Sources: There is “disappointment” among some #Giants players regarding how the Daniel Jones situation was handled over the past week, especially with players aware it was primarily a financial decision by the organization.

Dexter Lawrence publicly stated on Tuesday: “He’s the QB1. To me, he’s the best quarterback on the team.

”One offensive player told me over the phone: “We’re not idiots. They did it because of money. So be it. But Daniel has been all class, never complained, and is now being completely disregarded. The TEAM record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. To try to blame him is trash, and making him third string is weak as fu**.”

I get it if team culture is in question here.
However, DJ sucks. The film is the ultimate truth. So I can't back him on that.
 
Good luck with that. Your value according to most trade charts and analyzers is only about 70% of the way there, so you'd have to add a significant piece or pick to AJB in order to land Nabers in any kind of competitive league with people who understand dynasty. Nabors is pretty much universally a top 10 start up pick. AJ Brown is down in the 20s.
Source please. Neck and neck on DLF which I find very reliable in determining value of non-biased owners.
I agree with the last poster. You'd have to add something significant if you were trying to take my Nabers for your AJB. Most places do have Nabers ranked in the top 10 which is fair considering how he's looked early in his career without a QB, and he's only 21. Heck, DLF has Nabers at 4 overall. AJB is great, no doubt, but he's going to be 28 next year and for one reason or another is always nursing some sort of injury. How about this, try googling "Dynasty Startup Rankings" and report back...
 
Some thoughts from Giants players who we can guess what their opinions might be on benching Jones actually helping anyone on the Giants for fantasy.


Sources: There is “disappointment” among some #Giants players regarding how the Daniel Jones situation was handled over the past week, especially with players aware it was primarily a financial decision by the organization.

Dexter Lawrence publicly stated on Tuesday: “He’s the QB1. To me, he’s the best quarterback on the team.

”One offensive player told me over the phone: “We’re not idiots. They did it because of money. So be it. But Daniel has been all class, never complained, and is now being completely disregarded. The TEAM record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. To try to blame him is trash, and making him third string is weak as fu**.”
Both things can be true. Daniel Jones IS trash and the Giants HAVE handled it terribly. Jones should be happy he got his truckload of cash. If he's good enough, he'll stick around somewhere. If not, enjoy retirement on the Giant's dime.
 
Some thoughts from Giants players who we can guess what their opinions might be on benching Jones actually helping anyone on the Giants for fantasy.


Sources: There is “disappointment” among some #Giants players regarding how the Daniel Jones situation was handled over the past week, especially with players aware it was primarily a financial decision by the organization.

Dexter Lawrence publicly stated on Tuesday: “He’s the QB1. To me, he’s the best quarterback on the team.

”One offensive player told me over the phone: “We’re not idiots. They did it because of money. So be it. But Daniel has been all class, never complained, and is now being completely disregarded. The TEAM record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. To try to blame him is trash, and making him third string is weak as fu**.”

I get it if team culture is in question here.
However, DJ sucks. The film is the ultimate truth. So I can't back him on that.
Not my point or point of these Giants players. The point is whatever you think of him he's the best QB on the team.
 
Good luck with that. Your value according to most trade charts and analyzers is only about 70% of the way there, so you'd have to add a significant piece or pick to AJB in order to land Nabers in any kind of competitive league with people who understand dynasty. Nabors is pretty much universally a top 10 start up pick. AJ Brown is down in the 20s.
Source please. Neck and neck on DLF which I find very reliable in determining value of non-biased owners.
I picked Odunze over Nabors in my rookie draft where I was in position to have either this off season; so not only not a biased owner, but capable of admitting when I missed on things like it looks like I did with that pick so far.

You seem to have a technological device and internet which allows you to post on this forum. So I know you have the means, and I can only hope you're also capable of googling this yourself. I'm not positing some random off the wall quote from a singular article that's locked behind a paywall. Every dynasty rankings site and auction chart I've seen the past 3 months have Nabers ahead of AJB, most by quite a bit. And here you are asking me for a source the sky is blue rather than tilting your head back 30 degrees and looking up. It's obnoxious, and I won't enable obnoxious behavior.

Also, I don't care if you accept reality or not. It doesn't effect me.
 
Some thoughts from Giants players who we can guess what their opinions might be on benching Jones actually helping anyone on the Giants for fantasy.


Sources: There is “disappointment” among some #Giants players regarding how the Daniel Jones situation was handled over the past week, especially with players aware it was primarily a financial decision by the organization.

Dexter Lawrence publicly stated on Tuesday: “He’s the QB1. To me, he’s the best quarterback on the team.

”One offensive player told me over the phone: “We’re not idiots. They did it because of money. So be it. But Daniel has been all class, never complained, and is now being completely disregarded. The TEAM record is bad. You can point fingers everywhere. To try to blame him is trash, and making him third string is weak as fu**.”

I get it if team culture is in question here.
However, DJ sucks. The film is the ultimate truth. So I can't back him on that.
I'll be sure to let the Giants players know.
 

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