WR Malik Nabers, NYG (3 Viewers)

[Jacob's Ladder]

Those are just a few questions, but point being, the NFL is most certainly not being conservative in any of this. They are not doing the best they can. They are not acting in the athletes' best interest. In many cases, these decisions need to be taken out of the athletes control as is done in combat sports. Maybe they should? Problem is, this would hurt the product. The NFL is in CYA mode, and I would argue they are doing the minimum necessary to impact public perception and potential litigation, vs the maximum they could be doing.

You must find a balance just like with anything. If the NFL really cared solely about the players well being this game would stop being played. So in that context you are correct that the NFL is not doing the best that they can. Brain injuries are not simple. Players understand the risks. Players fudge their baselines to make it easier for themselves to get back on the field. This is not only on the NFL. To answer your questions:

1. Do we know those caps work? They may, they may not, I am sure there is some player pushback on these so the NFL has given the options to the player. They aren't preventing them from being used so the player's themselves can decide what they want. Seems like a good way to go.
2. I have no idea but based on your comment I would assume not. I have no idea if this would really change anything other than having additional information for study purposes.
3. Because nobody knows how these things effect the individual and the players want to get back to playing. There is not one size fits all solution here. These are unique injuries and the NFL has made it so you have to go symptom free to start the road back to getting on the field. That "symptom free" timeline is different for each player. Doctor's don't even have a time line because they don't know. So that seems like a good way to proceed. Players can always step back and take longer if they don't feel right. The only 100% safe solution is to not play the game.

Bottom line between our viewpoints is I believe the responsibility falls mostly on the players as they know their body best. The understand the risks and are making a decision based on what they want. The NFL's job is to present information and guidelines based on expert recommendations. I think they are doing this. It's not a broken bone. It's a vague injury that treats everyone differently. There is no set timetable so trying to force a set timetable isn't really feasible. I believe you think there should just be a blanket time line for everyone that you must sit out X days. It would work but I don't think it's necessary because everyone is different. Gone are the days of the NFL hiding things (for the most part). Players know the risks and make enough money they can walk away in many cases. I think the burden falls on both the players and NFL....not just the NFL.

Bottom line, you said the NFL is doing all they can do. That's simply not true. Sometimes you have to take the decision out of individuals' hands for their own safety. Combat sports figured this out a long time ago. The NFL is still working on it. But like you said, it's a balance...a balance between making money and protecting the players.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

On topic. Nabers will play this week. Book it. Too much at stake not to.

 

[King of the Jungle]

On topic. Nabers will play this week. Book it. Too much at stake not to.

Like life long brain trauma?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

On topic. Nabers will play this week. Book it. Too much at stake not to.

Like life long brain trauma?

Maybe all NFL players will get this? Maybe some guys are genetically predisposed to long term effects? Maybe some brains recover no worse for the wear. Maybe we just don't understand concussions and the NFL's risk mitigation is all laughable to a degree?

 

[Gally]

Sometimes you have to take the decision out of individuals' hands for their own safety.

Why must you do that? I have seen you state in other posts that they should have to sit out at least a month after a concussion. Why? Every doctor says each person handles brain injuries differently. There is no set rest time. Some may need a month. Some may need 6 months, Some may need a few days. It is not a one size fits all.

If the players know the risks and the doctors provide a process (no symptoms to start light physical activity, still no symptoms then more exertion, etc) then why must there me a minimum?

If that is the case and you want to do your "best" then any brain injury and the player sits for 12 calendar months. Why only a month? Let's be safe and do what's best for the players. Well then if that's the case one concussion and your done. That really is the best interest of the players.

I believe the NFL is doing "all they can do" within a reasonable process. They can always do more. What they are doing is reasonable. Players have a choice. This is on them too.

 

[Gally]

Maybe we just don't understand concussions and the NFL's risk mitigation is all laughable to a degree?

If nobody understands all this then how is the mitigation laughable?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Sometimes you have to take the decision out of individuals' hands for their own safety.

Why must you do that? I have seen you state in other posts that they should have to sit out at least a month after a concussion. Why? Every doctor says each person handles brain injuries differently. There is no set rest time. Some may need a month. Some may need 6 months, Some may need a few days. It is not a one size fits all.

If the players know the risks and the doctors provide a process (no symptoms to start light physical activity, still no symptoms then more exertion, etc) then why must there me a minimum?

If that is the case and you want to do your "best" then any brain injury and the player sits for 12 calendar months. Why only a month? Let's be safe and do what's best for the players. Well then if that's the case one concussion and your done. That really is the best interest of the players.

I believe the NFL is doing "all they can do" within a reasonable process. They can always do more. What they are doing is reasonable. Players have a choice. This is on them too.

Why must we do that? Is that a serious question?

I haven't said players need to sit out a month. I've never said anything of the sort. I said the NFL concussion protocol is a joke, hypocritical and a complete farse for litigation risk mitigation only.

My probably is the arbitrary standards that seem to exist beneath the surface...on top of the hypocrisy of course.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Maybe we just don't understand concussions and the NFL's risk mitigation is all laughable to a degree?

If nobody understands all this then how is the mitigation laughable?

Being able to say you're doing something is better than being told you've done nothing. This is risk mitigation at its core. Do I need to talk slower?

 

[TheWinz]

On topic. Nabers will play this week. Book it. Too much at stake not to.

How can a player return to play after entering the protocol?​

Once sidelined under the NFL’s protocol, a player must complete the return-to-participation program, which includes five phases.

Phase 1, symptom-limited activity: The player is prescribed rest and limiting and/or avoiding activities that increase or aggravate symptoms. Under athletic training staff supervision, limited stretching and balance training can be introduced, progressing to light aerobic exercise. If tolerated, the player can attend meetings and film study.

Phase 2, aerobic exercise: Under the supervision of team staff, players should begin graduated cardiovascular exercise, such as on a stationary bike or treadmill. The player may also engage in stretching and balance training.

Phase 3, football-specific exercise: The player continues supervised cardiovascular exercises and may mimic sport-specific activities and supervised strength training.

Phase 4, non-contact training drills: The player can continue cardiovascular, strength and balance training, team-based sports-specific exercise and participate in non-contact football activities.

Phase 5, full football activity/clearance: The player is finally cleared by the club doctor for full football activity involving contact. The player must be examined by the independent neurological consultant assigned to his club. If the consultant agrees with the club physician that the player’s concussion has resolved, he may participate in his team’s next practice or game.

 

[JaxJokers]

On topic. Nabers will play this week. Book it. Too much at stake not to.

How can a player return to play after entering the protocol?​

Once sidelined under the NFL’s protocol, a player must complete the return-to-participation program, which includes five phases.

Phase 1, symptom-limited activity: The player is prescribed rest and limiting and/or avoiding activities that increase or aggravate symptoms. Under athletic training staff supervision, limited stretching and balance training can be introduced, progressing to light aerobic exercise. If tolerated, the player can attend meetings and film study.

Phase 2, aerobic exercise: Under the supervision of team staff, players should begin graduated cardiovascular exercise, such as on a stationary bike or treadmill. The player may also engage in stretching and balance training.

Phase 3, football-specific exercise: The player continues supervised cardiovascular exercises and may mimic sport-specific activities and supervised strength training.

Phase 4, non-contact training drills: The player can continue cardiovascular, strength and balance training, team-based sports-specific exercise and participate in non-contact football activities.

Phase 5, full football activity/clearance: The player is finally cleared by the club doctor for full football activity involving contact. The player must be examined by the independent neurological consultant assigned to his club. If the consultant agrees with the club physician that the player’s concussion has resolved, he may participate in his team’s next practice or game.

Sounds like he was in either 3 or 4 yesterday? There is a chance, but I'm guessing one more week. The man's health is more important than my fantasy team.

 

[Schmeabs]

On topic. Nabers will play this week. Book it. Too much at stake not to.

How can a player return to play after entering the protocol?​

Once sidelined under the NFL’s protocol, a player must complete the return-to-participation program, which includes five phases.

Phase 1, symptom-limited activity: The player is prescribed rest and limiting and/or avoiding activities that increase or aggravate symptoms. Under athletic training staff supervision, limited stretching and balance training can be introduced, progressing to light aerobic exercise. If tolerated, the player can attend meetings and film study.

Phase 2, aerobic exercise: Under the supervision of team staff, players should begin graduated cardiovascular exercise, such as on a stationary bike or treadmill. The player may also engage in stretching and balance training.

Phase 3, football-specific exercise: The player continues supervised cardiovascular exercises and may mimic sport-specific activities and supervised strength training.

Phase 4, non-contact training drills: The player can continue cardiovascular, strength and balance training, team-based sports-specific exercise and participate in non-contact football activities.

Phase 5, full football activity/clearance: The player is finally cleared by the club doctor for full football activity involving contact. The player must be examined by the independent neurological consultant assigned to his club. If the consultant agrees with the club physician that the player’s concussion has resolved, he may participate in his team’s next practice or game.

Sounds like he was in either 3 or 4 yesterday? There is a chance, but I'm guessing one more week. The man's health is more important than my fantasy team.

Whoa whoa whoa, let's not get crazy here

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

On topic. Nabers will play this week. Book it. Too much at stake not to.

How can a player return to play after entering the protocol?​

Once sidelined under the NFL’s protocol, a player must complete the return-to-participation program, which includes five phases.

Phase 1, symptom-limited activity: The player is prescribed rest and limiting and/or avoiding activities that increase or aggravate symptoms. Under athletic training staff supervision, limited stretching and balance training can be introduced, progressing to light aerobic exercise. If tolerated, the player can attend meetings and film study.

Phase 2, aerobic exercise: Under the supervision of team staff, players should begin graduated cardiovascular exercise, such as on a stationary bike or treadmill. The player may also engage in stretching and balance training.

Phase 3, football-specific exercise: The player continues supervised cardiovascular exercises and may mimic sport-specific activities and supervised strength training.

Phase 4, non-contact training drills: The player can continue cardiovascular, strength and balance training, team-based sports-specific exercise and participate in non-contact football activities.

Phase 5, full football activity/clearance: The player is finally cleared by the club doctor for full football activity involving contact. The player must be examined by the independent neurological consultant assigned to his club. If the consultant agrees with the club physician that the player’s concussion has resolved, he may participate in his team’s next practice or game.

Sounds like he was in either 3 or 4 yesterday? There is a chance, but I'm guessing one more week. The man's health is more important than my fantasy team.

So you’re playing against Nabers this week.

 

[Gally]

He's missing a month at a minimum, likely much more. End of story. Combat sports take this much more seriously than the NFL, and the NFL IS combat sport whether anyone cares to admit it or not. They aren't playing patty cake out there.

Here you explained what combat sports do and stated NFL is a combat sport. I guess I assumed you believed that the NFL should follow the example of other combat sports and require a month off (at a minimum). I guess that is not what you meant.

Many things in this world is about risk mitigation. The NFL is no different but that doesn't mean that their "risk mitigation" process is bad or hypocritical. You have said that nobody really knows the right answer and that every person reacts/responds/improves from brain injury differently. The NFL process is based on how the player is responding and has steps to clear to advance based on their recovery. How is this hypocritical? Their process can be for risk mitigation and player safety all at the same time. It doesn't have to be either/or.

 

[Terpman22]

This thread took a detour to crazy town for a moment. Please get back in Malik so this madness stops!

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

He's missing a month at a minimum, likely much more. End of story. Combat sports take this much more seriously than the NFL, and the NFL IS combat sport whether anyone cares to admit it or not. They aren't playing patty cake out there.

Here you explained what combat sports do and stated NFL is a combat sport. I guess I assumed you believed that the NFL should follow the example of other combat sports and require a month off (at a minimum). I guess that is not what you meant.

Many things in this world is about risk mitigation. The NFL is no different but that doesn't mean that their "risk mitigation" process is bad or hypocritical. You have said that nobody really knows the right answer and that every person reacts/responds/improves from brain injury differently. The NFL process is based on how the player is responding and has steps to clear to advance based on their recovery. How is this hypocritical? Their process can be for risk mitigation and player safety all at the same time. It doesn't have to be either/or.

You said the NFL was doing all they could. I called BS and showed you why. Yet you continue.

 

[JaxJokers]

On topic. Nabers will play this week. Book it. Too much at stake not to.

How can a player return to play after entering the protocol?​

Once sidelined under the NFL’s protocol, a player must complete the return-to-participation program, which includes five phases.

Phase 1, symptom-limited activity: The player is prescribed rest and limiting and/or avoiding activities that increase or aggravate symptoms. Under athletic training staff supervision, limited stretching and balance training can be introduced, progressing to light aerobic exercise. If tolerated, the player can attend meetings and film study.

Phase 2, aerobic exercise: Under the supervision of team staff, players should begin graduated cardiovascular exercise, such as on a stationary bike or treadmill. The player may also engage in stretching and balance training.

Phase 3, football-specific exercise: The player continues supervised cardiovascular exercises and may mimic sport-specific activities and supervised strength training.

Phase 4, non-contact training drills: The player can continue cardiovascular, strength and balance training, team-based sports-specific exercise and participate in non-contact football activities.

Phase 5, full football activity/clearance: The player is finally cleared by the club doctor for full football activity involving contact. The player must be examined by the independent neurological consultant assigned to his club. If the consultant agrees with the club physician that the player’s concussion has resolved, he may participate in his team’s next practice or game.

Sounds like he was in either 3 or 4 yesterday? There is a chance, but I'm guessing one more week. The man's health is more important than my fantasy team.

So you’re playing against Nabers this week.

I'm only in 3 league's, which is nothing compared to most on this board, but I own him in all 3. Would love to see him come back, since I also own Nico in 2 of them.

 

[Gally]

He's missing a month at a minimum, likely much more. End of story. Combat sports take this much more seriously than the NFL, and the NFL IS combat sport whether anyone cares to admit it or not. They aren't playing patty cake out there.

Here you explained what combat sports do and stated NFL is a combat sport. I guess I assumed you believed that the NFL should follow the example of other combat sports and require a month off (at a minimum). I guess that is not what you meant.

Many things in this world is about risk mitigation. The NFL is no different but that doesn't mean that their "risk mitigation" process is bad or hypocritical. You have said that nobody really knows the right answer and that every person reacts/responds/improves from brain injury differently. The NFL process is based on how the player is responding and has steps to clear to advance based on their recovery. How is this hypocritical? Their process can be for risk mitigation and player safety all at the same time. It doesn't have to be either/or.

You said the NFL was doing all they could. I called BS and showed you why. Yet you continue.

ok you win

 

[TheWinz]

The man's health is more important than my fantasy team

Who's to say he would get worse by playing this week? I have him, and want him to play, as long as he isn't just a decoy. And let's face it, for every injury, there are fantasy managers who benefit. The PC thing is to say we don't want to see players get injured, but we all know, if I roster a guy like Mason, I don't want to see CMC suit up this year. And if I own Darius Slayton, you can bet your *** I want Nabers out as long as possible.

 

[Chaka]

He's missing a month at a minimum, likely much more. End of story. Combat sports take this much more seriously than the NFL, and the NFL IS combat sport whether anyone cares to admit it or not. They aren't playing patty cake out there.

Here you explained what combat sports do and stated NFL is a combat sport. I guess I assumed you believed that the NFL should follow the example of other combat sports and require a month off (at a minimum). I guess that is not what you meant.

Many things in this world is about risk mitigation. The NFL is no different but that doesn't mean that their "risk mitigation" process is bad or hypocritical. You have said that nobody really knows the right answer and that every person reacts/responds/improves from brain injury differently. The NFL process is based on how the player is responding and has steps to clear to advance based on their recovery. How is this hypocritical? Their process can be for risk mitigation and player safety all at the same time. It doesn't have to be either/or.

You said the NFL was doing all they could. I called BS and showed you why. Yet you continue.

ok you win

It took me about that long to give up last week when I dared to enter that conversation. At least you got out before the name calling started.

 

[menobrown]

ok you win

It took me about that long to give up last week when I dared to enter that conversation. At least you got out before the name calling started.

Ha. I was one of the first people to enter that convo which you two carried on and almost every time you did I would get the notification because my lone reply was being quoted. I've not wanted off a ride like that since someone tricked me into It's a Small World being fun.

 

[menobrown]

Sorry to relay that Daboll just said they are in the same position as yesterday and things remain day to day.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

He's missing a month at a minimum, likely much more. End of story. Combat sports take this much more seriously than the NFL, and the NFL IS combat sport whether anyone cares to admit it or not. They aren't playing patty cake out there.

Here you explained what combat sports do and stated NFL is a combat sport. I guess I assumed you believed that the NFL should follow the example of other combat sports and require a month off (at a minimum). I guess that is not what you meant.

Many things in this world is about risk mitigation. The NFL is no different but that doesn't mean that their "risk mitigation" process is bad or hypocritical. You have said that nobody really knows the right answer and that every person reacts/responds/improves from brain injury differently. The NFL process is based on how the player is responding and has steps to clear to advance based on their recovery. How is this hypocritical? Their process can be for risk mitigation and player safety all at the same time. It doesn't have to be either/or.

You said the NFL was doing all they could. I called BS and showed you why. Yet you continue.

ok you win

There’s no winning or losing, I’m not trying to argue, my points were just being misunderstood or misconstrued and I wanted to set the record straight. If you disagree with the points I’m making, that’s fine, but at least let’s start from the same baseline.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

If he's just off to the side with the trainers, can't imagine he's ready to get hit in 4 days. Would be surprised if he plays this week.

I’m not sure why that correlation would be made. If he’s running or doing any sort of work, that’s a positive step.

It is, but his concussion happened on a Thursday so there’s no denying this is slower going than the average concussion. I’m working under the assumption he’s missing one more game, personally. Getting hit with byes so will have Tolbert slotted unless/until I hear something 100% definitive.

Or it could mean that the team is deliberately taking it slow, milking the clock for as long as they can to make sure the player is getting the rest they need to allow a TBI to heal. Then maybe he gets in a limited today, a full tomorrow and off to the races.

You’re assuming correlation, suggesting that because He’s not practicing in a limited capacity that he’s behind schedule. That’s not necessarily true.

I’m just pointing out that there could be other reasons for holding him out. HC says he’s improving - ok, so no setback. I’m taking that as a positive and waiting for today’s update.

Just because FF managers want more faster now doesn’t mean the teams are obligated to deliver that. And Nabers could well be out this week. I don’t know, nor does anyone.

But we should collectively assume less and start taking these sort of injuries day to day. They’re complex in nature and not uniform in recovery like an ACL or hip pointer. In general yes, we’d love to see Nabers practicing by now. But it’s absolutely possible that his lack of practice is not a sign that he’s slow to heal - it could just be a team exercising caution with their young talented player. I know that would be shocking since teams don’t always act in their player’s best interest, but it is equally possible.

Today’s update will be important.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Phase 5, full football activity/clearance: The player is finally cleared by the club doctor for full football activity involving contact. The player must be examined by the independent neurological consultant assigned to his club. If the consultant agrees with the club physician that the player’s concussion has resolved, he may participate in his team’s next practice or game.

So this sounds like it is possible for him to be cleared tomorrow or even Saturday and play Sunday.

 

[Chaka]

ok you win

It took me about that long to give up last week when I dared to enter that conversation. At least you got out before the name calling started.

Ha. I was one of the first people to enter that convo which you two carried on and almost every time you did I would get the notification because my lone reply was being quoted. I've not wanted off a ride like that since someone tricked me into It's a Small World being fun.

Thanks for putting that ####### song in my head, pal.

 

[jm192]

If he's just off to the side with the trainers, can't imagine he's ready to get hit in 4 days. Would be surprised if he plays this week.

I’m not sure why that correlation would be made. If he’s running or doing any sort of work, that’s a positive step.

It is, but his concussion happened on a Thursday so there’s no denying this is slower going than the average concussion. I’m working under the assumption he’s missing one more game, personally. Getting hit with byes so will have Tolbert slotted unless/until I hear something 100% definitive.

Or it could mean that the team is deliberately taking it slow, milking the clock for as long as they can to make sure the player is getting the rest they need to allow a TBI to heal. Then maybe he gets in a limited today, a full tomorrow and off to the races.

You’re assuming correlation, suggesting that because He’s not practicing in a limited capacity that he’s behind schedule. That’s not necessarily true.

I’m just pointing out that there could be other reasons for holding him out. HC says he’s improving - ok, so no setback. I’m taking that as a positive and waiting for today’s update.

Just because FF managers want more faster now doesn’t mean the teams are obligated to deliver that. And Nabers could well be out this week. I don’t know, nor does anyone.

But we should collectively assume less and start taking these sort of injuries day to day. They’re complex in nature and not uniform in recovery like an ACL or hip pointer. In general yes, we’d love to see Nabers practicing by now. But it’s absolutely possible that his lack of practice is not a sign that he’s slow to heal - it could just be a team exercising caution with their young talented player. I know that would be shocking since teams don’t always act in their player’s best interest, but it is equally possible.

Today’s update will be important.

If I'm an owner/GM/Coach in the Giants organization, I'd push to sit the guy 1 more week even if it's over the top cautious.

We know what Nabers is. He doesn't need extra reps or anything to prepare for the future. They're not winning anything this year.

I assume the Giants organization is at least smart enough to consider that. All of that said, I think if they clear him, then they've probably been very cautious about it.

 

[jm192]

Sorry to relay that Daboll just said they are in the same position as yesterday and things remain day to day.

Feels like we're slightly on the side of not playing at this point.

Time will tell. Slay is an interesting streamer vs the Bengals if he does miss again.

 

[(HULK)]

I feel like I have a concussion every time I open this thread over the past couple days

 

[JaxJokers]

The Athletic’s Dan Duggan reports Malik Nabers (concussion) “did much less” in Thursday’s practice than on Wednesday.
Duggan is only privy to the portion of practice open to the media, but it’s still a bad sign for the rookie receiver. Nabers will go down as a DNP when the Giants release their injury report for today. Head coach Brian Daboll told reporters it would be hard for Nabers to clear the league’s concussion protocol if he doesn’t practice on Friday. All signs point to Nabers missing another week with the brain injury. Darius Slayton stepped up with eight catches for 122 yards and a touchdown in Week 5. He would presumably be the team’s top receiver once again if Nabers sits. Slayton is worth an add as a potential WR4 in all fantasy formats.

 

[Chaka]

Sorry to relay that Daboll just said they are in the same position as yesterday and things remain day to day.

Feels like we're slightly on the side of not playing at this point.

Time will tell. Slay is an interesting streamer vs the Bengals if he does miss again.

Interesting? Isn't he a must start after last week?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

The Athletic’s Dan Duggan reports Malik Nabers (concussion) “did much less” in Thursday’s practice than on Wednesday.
Duggan is only privy to the portion of practice open to the media, but it’s still a bad sign for the rookie receiver. Nabers will go down as a DNP when the Giants release their injury report for today. Head coach Brian Daboll told reporters it would be hard for Nabers to clear the league’s concussion protocol if he doesn’t practice on Friday. All signs point to Nabers missing another week with the brain injury. Darius Slayton stepped up with eight catches for 122 yards and a touchdown in Week 5. He would presumably be the team’s top receiver once again if Nabers sits. Slayton is worth an add as a potential WR4 in all fantasy formats.

Nothing I love more than clickbait from inexperienced beat writers. Doesn't it seem strange to anyone else we're not hearing about symptoms and/or second opinions/evaluations? But we talkin' about practice? - Allen Iverson

 

[Gjallarhorn]

Sorry to relay that Daboll just said they are in the same position as yesterday and things remain day to day.

Feels like we're slightly on the side of not playing at this point.

Time will tell. Slay is an interesting streamer vs the Bengals if he does miss again.

Interesting? Isn't he a must start after last week?

I have the option between him and Wan'Dale and I taking Wan'Dale in PPR.

 

[Anarchy99]

NY Giants coach Brian Daboll spoke to the media to give an injury update on Malik Nabers.

How's (wide receiver) Malik (Nabers) doing?
Brian: He's doing better. He's still in the protocol. He'll do some stuff off to the side outside with the training staff today. So, day-to-day.

Has Malik cleared some of the steps in the protocol?
Brian: Yeah, that's why we're going to get him out here on the grass today. So, he didn't do that last week. He's feeling better. But again, I'll take those very seriously and go through each step. But he is doing better. So, we'll see how he does after he does some activity out there on the grass today.

Did Nabers have a chance before today to run outside at all?

Brian: Yeah, he's been working with the trainers. This will be a good day for him today to get out there and kind of see where he's at. And again, we'll take it slow. Again, he is feeling better, which is a good sign.

 

[Bad_Mo2]

Nabers will open up larger holes for that Tracy Jr. dude. Singletary is backup now...100%

 

[JaxJokers]

NY Giants coach Brian Daboll spoke to the media to give an injury update on Malik Nabers.

How's (wide receiver) Malik (Nabers) doing?
Brian: He's doing better. He's still in the protocol. He'll do some stuff off to the side outside with the training staff today. So, day-to-day.

Has Malik cleared some of the steps in the protocol?
Brian: Yeah, that's why we're going to get him out here on the grass today. So, he didn't do that last week. He's feeling better. But again, I'll take those very seriously and go through each step. But he is doing better. So, we'll see how he does after he does some activity out there on the grass today.

Did Nabers have a chance before today to run outside at all?

Brian: Yeah, he's been working with the trainers. This will be a good day for him today to get out there and kind of see where he's at. And again, we'll take it slow. Again, he is feeling better, which is a good sign.

Just when I make peace with the fact he won't play this weekend, I'm teased again.

 

[Chaos34]

In case you followed the back and forth with me and @Hot Sauce Guy, me and ChatGPT were wrong and he was right... regarding stage 4. I'm used to teams listing a player's participation as limited or full. I framed the query as such and ChatGPT just went with it. So I thought he needed to be reported as "limited" today to go full tomorrow. This is false. Limited is apparently an optional designation for a player's practice participation. Turns out the non contact drills Nabers has done the past two days are the requirement for stage 4. So it's possible he was not listed as limited today and can still go full tomorrow to play Sunday. I'm learning and I hate the ambiguity but thought I'd continue clarifying.

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

In case you followed the back and forth with me and @Hot Sauce Guy, me and ChatGPT were wrong and he was right... regarding stage 4. I'm used to teams listing a player's participation as limited or full. I framed the query as such and ChatGPT just went with it. So I thought he needed to be reported as "limited" today to go full tomorrow. This is false. Limited is apparently an optional designation for a player's practice participation. Turns out the non contact drills Nabers has done the past two days are the requirement for stage 4. So it's possible he was not listed as limited today and can still go full tomorrow to play Sunday. I'm learning and I hate the ambiguity but thought I'd continue clarifying.

All good - that was how I'd understood the policy, and I've actually had players practice on Friday and be cleared for Sunday, so I was pretty sure that was correct.

At this point I'm a little skeptical that Nabers plays, but I'll be watching tomorrow's update with baited breath, as I have several shares & could really use him in some tough match-ups.

 

[Faust]

Dov Kleiman
𝗧𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗗𝗜𝗡𝗚: #Giants rookie WR Malik Nabers was seen partying at the Travis Scott concert last night while still in concussion protocol.

It looks like the rookie has other priorities...

x.com

x.com

 

[Chaka]

Dov Kleiman
𝗧𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗗𝗜𝗡𝗚: #Giants rookie WR Malik Nabers was seen partying at the Travis Scott concert last night while still in concussion protocol.

It looks like the rookie has other priorities...

x.com

x.com

Terrible take. With what he has shown already in his NFL career he can snort... uh gummy bears off a civil servants chest (consensually of course) at a Rupert Holmes concert for all I, or anyone else, should care.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Dov Kleiman
𝗧𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗗𝗜𝗡𝗚: #Giants rookie WR Malik Nabers was seen partying at the Travis Scott concert last night while still in concussion protocol.

It looks like the rookie has other priorities...

x.com

x.com

If you really have lost concussion symptoms,, most times aggressive light and loud music is hard to tolerate so this is most odd come

 

[zamboni]

Dov Kleiman
𝗧𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗗𝗜𝗡𝗚: #Giants rookie WR Malik Nabers was seen partying at the Travis Scott concert last night while still in concussion protocol.

It looks like the rookie has other priorities...

x.com

x.com

Terrible take. With what he has shown already in his NFL career he can snort... uh gummy bears off a civil servants chest (consensually of course) at a Rupert Holmes concert for all I, or anyone else, should care.

How dare he have a good time - should be reading Proust at the library.

 

[oswizzle]

He can party like a rock star … he gets open all day and night … superstar in the making

 

[Chaka]

Dov Kleiman
𝗧𝗥𝗘𝗡𝗗𝗜𝗡𝗚: #Giants rookie WR Malik Nabers was seen partying at the Travis Scott concert last night while still in concussion protocol.

It looks like the rookie has other priorities...

x.com

x.com

Terrible take. With what he has shown already in his NFL career he can snort... uh gummy bears off a civil servants chest (consensually of course) at a Rupert Holmes concert for all I, or anyone else, should care.

How dare he have a good time - should be reading Proust at the library.

Proust? Pshaw... Dime store Tolstoy knockoff.

 

[BladeRunner]

Nabors is not missing a month. He might miss this week but I bet he'll be back next week.

Lot of conspiracies going on here.

 

[Chaka]

He's missing a month at a minimum, likely much more. End of story. Combat sports take this much more seriously than the NFL, and the NFL IS combat sport whether anyone cares to admit it or not. They aren't playing patty cake out there.

Here you explained what combat sports do and stated NFL is a combat sport. I guess I assumed you believed that the NFL should follow the example of other combat sports and require a month off (at a minimum). I guess that is not what you meant.

Many things in this world is about risk mitigation. The NFL is no different but that doesn't mean that their "risk mitigation" process is bad or hypocritical. You have said that nobody really knows the right answer and that every person reacts/responds/improves from brain injury differently. The NFL process is based on how the player is responding and has steps to clear to advance based on their recovery. How is this hypocritical? Their process can be for risk mitigation and player safety all at the same time. It doesn't have to be either/or.

You said the NFL was doing all they could. I called BS and showed you why. Yet you continue.

Dude, you’re an *******. But I’m guessing you are good with that. You are also quite arrogant and confident on a message board. Small **** keyboard jockey.

Dude.

 

[staggerlee2]

He's missing a month at a minimum, likely much more. End of story. Combat sports take this much more seriously than the NFL, and the NFL IS combat sport whether anyone cares to admit it or not. They aren't playing patty cake out there.

Here you explained what combat sports do and stated NFL is a combat sport. I guess I assumed you believed that the NFL should follow the example of other combat sports and require a month off (at a minimum). I guess that is not what you meant.

Many things in this world is about risk mitigation. The NFL is no different but that doesn't mean that their "risk mitigation" process is bad or hypocritical. You have said that nobody really knows the right answer and that every person reacts/responds/improves from brain injury differently. The NFL process is based on how the player is responding and has steps to clear to advance based on their recovery. How is this hypocritical? Their process can be for risk mitigation and player safety all at the same time. It doesn't have to be either/or.

You said the NFL was doing all they could. I called BS and showed you why. Yet you continue.

Dude, you’re an *******. But I’m guessing you are good with that. You are also quite arrogant and confident on a message board. Small **** keyboard jockey.

Dude.

Yes?

 

[Chaka]

He's missing a month at a minimum, likely much more. End of story. Combat sports take this much more seriously than the NFL, and the NFL IS combat sport whether anyone cares to admit it or not. They aren't playing patty cake out there.

Here you explained what combat sports do and stated NFL is a combat sport. I guess I assumed you believed that the NFL should follow the example of other combat sports and require a month off (at a minimum). I guess that is not what you meant.

Many things in this world is about risk mitigation. The NFL is no different but that doesn't mean that their "risk mitigation" process is bad or hypocritical. You have said that nobody really knows the right answer and that every person reacts/responds/improves from brain injury differently. The NFL process is based on how the player is responding and has steps to clear to advance based on their recovery. How is this hypocritical? Their process can be for risk mitigation and player safety all at the same time. It doesn't have to be either/or.

You said the NFL was doing all they could. I called BS and showed you why. Yet you continue.

Dude, you’re an *******. But I’m guessing you are good with that. You are also quite arrogant and confident on a message board. Small **** keyboard jockey.

Dude.

Yes?

Chill.

 

[dkp993]

This is fun fellas. Keep it up. Super entertaining for the rest of us.

 

[oddsbodkins]

Thread is an abortion

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

He's missing a month at a minimum, likely much more. End of story. Combat sports take this much more seriously than the NFL, and the NFL IS combat sport whether anyone cares to admit it or not. They aren't playing patty cake out there.

Here you explained what combat sports do and stated NFL is a combat sport. I guess I assumed you believed that the NFL should follow the example of other combat sports and require a month off (at a minimum). I guess that is not what you meant.

Many things in this world is about risk mitigation. The NFL is no different but that doesn't mean that their "risk mitigation" process is bad or hypocritical. You have said that nobody really knows the right answer and that every person reacts/responds/improves from brain injury differently. The NFL process is based on how the player is responding and has steps to clear to advance based on their recovery. How is this hypocritical? Their process can be for risk mitigation and player safety all at the same time. It doesn't have to be either/or.

You said the NFL was doing all they could. I called BS and showed you why. Yet you continue.

Dude, you’re an *******. But I’m guessing you are good with that. You are also quite arrogant and confident on a message board. Small **** keyboard jockey.

10 messages in 8 years. This wouldn't happen to be an alias, would it?

Way to take my response and quote a sentence out of context LMAO. What's your deal man? Go back and reread my post, slowly this time, then tell me if you're still having difficulty understanding my point. If so, let me know and I'll try to explain in smaller words. Maybe pictures?