WR Malik Nabers, NYG (2 Viewers)

[jm192]

ESPN’s Jordan Raanan says Malik Nabers (concussion) “seems like a longshot to be ready” for Week 5 against the Seahawks.
Nabers is in the early stages of concussion protocol and didn’t practice on Wednesday. The rookie will need to clear protocol in time to play on Sunday against the Seahawks, and will presumably be out if he can’t practice on Wednesday or Thursday. His status remains one to watch over the next 48 hours.

I'm mentally telling myself he won't play but hoping for the best.

 

[Bri]

ESPN’s Jordan Raanan says Malik Nabers (concussion) “seems like a longshot to be ready” for Week 5 against the Seahawks.
Nabers is in the early stages of concussion protocol and didn’t practice on Wednesday. The rookie will need to clear protocol in time to play on Sunday against the Seahawks, and will presumably be out if he can’t practice on Wednesday or Thursday. His status remains one to watch over the next 48 hours.

I think Tua of a few years ago changed things. I think we're past this as a society and everyone rests a week after a concussion regardless of how "minimal" it's perceived.

I don't know if this is true though. Does anyone know? Injury section of a site track this?

 

[packer_junkie]

I'll never forget when Davante Adams in his 2nd or 3rd year got diagnosed with a concussion on Sunday (big time hit) and somehow got cleared by TH and had his breakout game. He had like 9-160 or something....

Seems like 20 years ago in concussion world but really it was probably 6-7 years ago?

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I think you have to read between the lines here. Don't think Daboll is going to come out and say he's in stage 2,3,4, etc. He could be in stage 1 for all we know. What we do know is he didn't practice. See where he is today.

Thank you. I guess it comes down to interpreting team comments then, but it would be concerning to me if he hasn't passed stage 2 a week removed from the concussion. That would mean he's not yet back to baseline. When he got knocked out, it almost looked like how a flash knockout happens to a boxer with a single punch to the jaw/chin (Nabers' chin/facemask looked to contact the ground first versus the crown or side or back of the helmet like Tua.) I just assumed recovery would be quicker from this type of hit, as it usually is with boxing and MMA because it's not the same type of brain injury as a punch to the temple or repetitive blows to the head. Wish the kid well and hopefully "early stages" to the team just means he hasn't started practicing in pads again yet.

 

[BladeRunner]

I think you have to read between the lines here. Don't think Daboll is going to come out and say he's in stage 2,3,4, etc. He could be in stage 1 for all we know. What we do know is he didn't practice. See where he is today.

Thank you. I guess it comes down to interpreting team comments then, but it would be concerning to me if he hasn't passed stage 2 a week removed from the concussion. That would mean he's not yet back to baseline. When he got knocked out, it almost looked like how a flash knockout happens to a boxer with a single punch to the jaw/chin (Nabers' chin/facemask looked to contact the ground first versus the crown or side or back of the helmet like Tua.) I just assumed recovery would be quicker from this type of hit, as it usually is with boxing and MMA because it's not the same type of brain injury as a punch to the temple or repetitive blows to the head. Wish the kid well and hopefully "early stages" to the team just means he hasn't started practicing in pads again yet.

I would bank on him not playing. Like @Bri noted above, it's very rare, I think, for players to get a concussion and play the next week. They don't mess around with concussions anymore.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I think you have to read between the lines here. Don't think Daboll is going to come out and say he's in stage 2,3,4, etc. He could be in stage 1 for all we know. What we do know is he didn't practice. See where he is today.

Thank you. I guess it comes down to interpreting team comments then, but it would be concerning to me if he hasn't passed stage 2 a week removed from the concussion. That would mean he's not yet back to baseline. When he got knocked out, it almost looked like how a flash knockout happens to a boxer with a single punch to the jaw/chin (Nabers' chin/facemask looked to contact the ground first versus the crown or side or back of the helmet like Tua.) I just assumed recovery would be quicker from this type of hit, as it usually is with boxing and MMA because it's not the same type of brain injury as a punch to the temple or repetitive blows to the head. Wish the kid well and hopefully "early stages" to the team just means he hasn't started practicing in pads again yet.

I would bank on him not playing. Like @Bri noted above, it's very rare, I think, for players to get a concussion and play the next week. They don't mess around with concussions anymore.

I agree with you both, I don't think he will play. The NFL is certainly prone to playing these things more conservatively these days. Seems like missing 1 game is the new standard but when most concussions begin to be treated the same, you know it's not really based on the individual which is what got them into trouble to begin with. It's all for show, but it's the world we live in right now.

 

[dmac37]

I think you have to read between the lines here. Don't think Daboll is going to come out and say he's in stage 2,3,4, etc. He could be in stage 1 for all we know. What we do know is he didn't practice. See where he is today.

Thank you. I guess it comes down to interpreting team comments then, but it would be concerning to me if he hasn't passed stage 2 a week removed from the concussion. That would mean he's not yet back to baseline. When he got knocked out, it almost looked like how a flash knockout happens to a boxer with a single punch to the jaw/chin (Nabers' chin/facemask looked to contact the ground first versus the crown or side or back of the helmet like Tua.) I just assumed recovery would be quicker from this type of hit, as it usually is with boxing and MMA because it's not the same type of brain injury as a punch to the temple or repetitive blows to the head. Wish the kid well and hopefully "early stages" to the team just means he hasn't started practicing in pads again yet.

I would bank on him not playing. Like @Bri noted above, it's very rare, I think, for players to get a concussion and play the next week. They don't mess around with concussions anymore.

I agree with you both, I don't think he will play. The NFL is certainly prone to playing these things more conservatively these days. Seems like missing 1 game is the new standard but when most concussions begin to be treated the same, you know it's not really based on the individual which is what got them into trouble to begin with. It's all for show, but it's the world we live in right now.

Maybe wishful thinking but I think he will play. With him playing last Thursday not Sunday, my guess is he will be released as good to go on Saturday.

 

[menobrown]

No practice today, team has a long cross country flight on Saturday.

I’d be making other plans.

 

[undercover]

No practice today, team has a long cross country flight on Saturday.

I’d be making other plans.

Giants are going anywhere this year…they aren’t going to mess with their best player

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

No practice today, team has a long cross country flight on Saturday.

I’d be making other plans.

Giants are going anywhere this year…they aren’t going to mess with their best player

They mess with their best players every home game with that pathetic excuse for a field. It's like sticky velcro on concrete. Who thought this was a good idea? How does the NFLPA stand for it? They care about players' safety. PSshhh...


I would love to know where in the process Nabers is. If he truly hasn't reached baseline a week after the injury, that's a little scary. I've had friends that were fighters be impacted by a KO for months. Some never recovered. These aren't veteran guys that were punch drunk after a 100 fights either. These are situations where young fighters were in their first or second pro fights and didn't take a lot of abuse.

 

[undercover]

No practice today, team has a long cross country flight on Saturday.

I’d be making other plans.

Giants are going anywhere this year…they aren’t going to mess with their best player

They mess with their best players every home game with that pathetic excuse for a field. It's like sticky velcro on concrete. Who thought this was a good idea? How does the NFLPA stand for it? They care about players' safety. PSshhh...


I would love to know where in the process Nabers is. If he truly hasn't reached baseline a week after the injury, that's a little scary. I've had friends that were fighters be impacted by a KO for months. Some never recovered. These aren't veteran guys that were punch drunk after a 100 fights either. These are situations where young fighters were in their first or second pro fights and didn't take a lot of abuse.

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution. I just hope it’s not a lingering issue. Dude is a baller and can’t help himself.

 

[menobrown]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

No practice today, team has a long cross country flight on Saturday.

I’d be making other plans.

Giants are going anywhere this year…they aren’t going to mess with their best player

They mess with their best players every home game with that pathetic excuse for a field. It's like sticky velcro on concrete. Who thought this was a good idea? How does the NFLPA stand for it? They care about players' safety. PSshhh...


I would love to know where in the process Nabers is. If he truly hasn't reached baseline a week after the injury, that's a little scary. I've had friends that were fighters be impacted by a KO for months. Some never recovered. These aren't veteran guys that were punch drunk after a 100 fights either. These are situations where young fighters were in their first or second pro fights and didn't take a lot of abuse.

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution. I just hope it’s not a lingering issue. Dude is a baller and can’t help himself.

WIth the NFL, it's all BS for the sake of appearances anyway. Rumors of players skewing their baseline testing so they appear fine, when they might not be. Appearance of a behind the scenes agreement to make sure anyone with a concussion misses 1 week. What's one week even mean? All brain injuries are different, all are not completely understood. Trying to create a standard in this way is just stupid. They know where their bread is buttered and I'm sure the brain trust decided fans could swallow a week missed, but two? Even if the player is dizzy? No way. It's a complete joke.

I like Nabers as well and hope he has good people in his inner circle. I'd damn sure be getting a second opinion on every single injury if I was in the NFL.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

 

[menobrown]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

 

[menobrown]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

 

[Chaka]

No practice today, team has a long cross country flight on Saturday.

I’d be making other plans.

Giants are going anywhere this year…they aren’t going to mess with their best player

They mess with their best players every home game with that pathetic excuse for a field. It's like sticky velcro on concrete. Who thought this was a good idea? How does the NFLPA stand for it? They care about players' safety. PSshhh...


I would love to know where in the process Nabers is. If he truly hasn't reached baseline a week after the injury, that's a little scary. I've had friends that were fighters be impacted by a KO for months. Some never recovered. These aren't veteran guys that were punch drunk after a 100 fights either. These are situations where young fighters were in their first or second pro fights and didn't take a lot of abuse.

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution. I just hope it’s not a lingering issue. Dude is a baller and can’t help himself.

WIth the NFL, it's all BS for the sake of appearances anyway. Rumors of players skewing their baseline testing so they appear fine, when they might not be. Appearance of a behind the scenes agreement to make sure anyone with a concussion misses 1 week. What's one week even mean? All brain injuries are different, all are not completely understood. Trying to create a standard in this way is just stupid. They know where their bread is buttered and I'm sure the brain trust decided fans could swallow a week missed, but two? Even if the player is dizzy? No way. It's a complete joke.

I like Nabers as well and hope he has good people in his inner circle. I'd damn sure be getting a second opinion on every single injury if I was in the NFL.

This seems like a wild conspiracy theory.

Everything is not known about head injuries and the variance among individuals but they operate within the best practices with the data they have. Erring on the side of caution is a part of best practices with so many unknowns. You can't let the perfect interfere with the good.

Players don't arbitrarily miss one game for show and they don't return the following week if they are still symptomatic.

 

[dkp993]

I’d say less than 5% chance he plays Sunday. The only reason I’m giving it that high is that it’s almost a week and a half since it happened and he’s young (heals faster). But I’ve replaced him in my lineups and have him on ir where I can.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

 

[Schmeabs]

So strange to me because it didn't look like he hit his head on the attempted catch that he got concussed on

 

[menobrown]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

All good, thought from your earlier comments that were not directed at me you felt the whole process was open to teams manipulating.

If you are making a point the NFL truly does no care for player safety and do all of this simply to not get sued you have my full support.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

from cbs

Nabers (concussion) won't practice Thursday, and head coach Brian Daboll did not express optimism about the receiver's chances of playing Sunday against the Seahawks, Ryan Dunleavy of the New York Post reports.

Though Daboll noted that Nabers is progressing in his recovery from the concussion he sustained in last Thursday's loss to the Cowboys, the wideout has yet to take any tangible steps forward in terms of on-field activity one week after suffering the brain injury. Nabers will have one more chance Friday to potentially practice before the Giants give him a designation for Sunday's game, but barring dramatic improvement, the standout receiver looks set to miss the first contest of his young NFL career while he's stuck in the concussion protocol.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

How would you compare the value of Nabers today to Worthy for rest of this season and all of next season? Not dynasty, but more along the line of a keeper situation. Nabers looking like he'll miss at least this week, but have a much brighter future into next year as the alpha for the Giants. Worthy will get a lions share of targets with Rice going on IR today, or at least you'd assume he'll get the first crack at the vacated targets, and have a much better team and QB situation.

Is it clearly Nabers ahead of Worthy through 2025 even with the injury?

 

[menobrown]

How would you compare the value of Nabers today to Worthy for rest of this season and all of next season?

The way I'd compare a Lamborghini to a Fiat.

 

[Pigskin Fanatic]

How would you compare the value of Nabers today to Worthy for rest of this season and all of next season?

The way I'd compare a Lamborghini to a Fiat.

lol, i have to ask for clarification.
worthy is the Lamborghini because he's all flash with upside and Nabers is the Fiat because he's the practical choice?
or Nabers i the Lamborghini because he's that much better than Worthy and Worthy is a Fiat because it's a fun toy but not actually a good car?
i can buy into both.

 

[Schmeabs]

How would you compare the value of Nabers today to Worthy for rest of this season and all of next season? Not dynasty, but more along the line of a keeper situation. Nabers looking like he'll miss at least this week, but have a much brighter future into next year as the alpha for the Giants. Worthy will get a lions share of targets with Rice going on IR today, or at least you'd assume he'll get the first crack at the vacated targets, and have a much better team and QB situation.

Is it clearly Nabers ahead of Worthy through 2025 even with the injury?

I own both and Worthy is way below the value of Nabers

 

[Mr.Blonde]

worthy is the Lamborghini because he's all flash with upside and Nabers is the Fiat because he's the practical choice?
or Nabers i the Lamborghini because he's that much better than Worthy and Worthy is a Fiat because it's a fun toy but not actually a good car?
i can buy into both.

Fiat:

Fix
It
Again
Tony

 

[stillfeelme]

How would you compare the value of Nabers today to Worthy for rest of this season and all of next season? Not dynasty, but more along the line of a keeper situation. Nabers looking like he'll miss at least this week, but have a much brighter future into next year as the alpha for the Giants. Worthy will get a lions share of targets with Rice going on IR today, or at least you'd assume he'll get the first crack at the vacated targets, and have a much better team and QB situation.

Is it clearly Nabers ahead of Worthy through 2025 even with the injury?

Nabers is so far ahead of Worthy right now. His talent, size, speed, hands target share scream top 5 WR this year and more likely to be top ten WR next year. Unless you have some information of him having a history of multiple concussions I wouldn't worry too much about the concussion this week. I can't see Worthy getting the target share Nabers receives.

Rashee Rice is the alpha of KC I do think Worthy has a chance of being a WR 2 next year

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Really hoping for a Friday practice.

 

[dkp993]

Worthy will get a lions share of targets with Rice going on IR today, or at least you'd assume he'll get the first crack at the vacated targets

This is where your analysis falls apart. Worthy most certainly will not. Kelce will.

I have both Nabers and Worthy in a keeper league. It’s not even a debate, Nabers by a mile.

 

[Dez]

Bummer

 

[Hot Sauce Guy]

Bummer

Has one more shot at it. If he practices tomorrow, I’ll be optimistic.

 

[BespokeJort]

Hopefully it’s reverse 49ers-like gamesmanship and he plays and goes 16-189-2

He actually has two brains and neither one has a TBI

 

[TampaMike19]

Another factor here is that it’s a very long flight- 6-7 hours? That might be the deciding factor in not clearing him.

 

[zoonation]

He’s not playing. Why on earth would the Giants risk it?

 

[BladeRunner]

Bummer

Has one more shot at it. If he practices tomorrow, I’ll be optimistic.

I highly doubt he plays. I just don't see it happening. Better have a Plan B in place.

 

[Insein]

Nabers officially OUT for Sunday.

x.com

x.com

 

[Navin Johnson]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

This is the first I have heard of this.

 

[Chaos34]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

This is the first I have heard of this.

Yeah. I quit watching football for five years in part because of the cte story and Seau's suicide. He was a neighbor, his sister a friend of my ex. I follow the concussion stories as closely as I can and haven't heard even quiet rumors about players manipulating their baseline. Not even sure what that means, or if there is a baseline.

Fwiw, the five steps in the protocol aren't complicated or prone to manipulation. The first step is rest. You've been concussed. Just chill for a couple days. Balance is tested with very light exercise during this step. Step two is letting the athlete work up a sweat, cardiovascular exercise only, and more balance testing. Step three is more of the same but introduces strength training and testing. If all systems are go step 4 is "limited" practice reduced to no more than 30 minutes. Step 5 is full practice followed by medical clearance from a league and union approved neurologist.

Nabers is 9 days post concussion and hasn't made step 4. Concerning. He may have been concussed twice in that game and the plays were relatively close together. Before the concussion on the sideline he catches one over the middle and in some traffic gets dropped on his head. Tweaks his neck. Has a moment that looks like a possible KO then stretches out on his back and lays there for a second. A few plays later he tries to keep both feet in hits his facemask pretty hard on the ground and is out cold for over 30 seconds. Neither looked anything close to some of the massive head shots we've seen but, in a way, that's why this is a bit concerning. /ramble

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

This is the first I have heard of this.

Really? Try Google. Some pretty prominent players have admitted as much, with more rumors swirling just beneath the surface. It really doesn't take much effort to read about it, so you're either living under a rock or choose to live with your head buried deep in the sand. Peyton Manning admitted manipulating his baseline, but there are plenty more examples if you spend 5 minutes looking. It's a problem, and I'm still not sure the NFL knows exactly how to address it.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

This is the first I have heard of this.

Yeah. I quit watching football for five years in part because of the cte story and Seau's suicide. He was a neighbor, his sister a friend of my ex. I follow the concussion stories as closely as I can and haven't heard even quiet rumors about players manipulating their baseline. Not even sure what that means, or if there is a baseline.

Fwiw, the five steps in the protocol aren't complicated or prone to manipulation. The first step is rest. You've been concussed. Just chill for a couple days. Balance is tested with very light exercise during this step. Step two is letting the athlete work up a sweat, cardiovascular exercise only, and more balance testing. Step three is more of the same but introduces strength training and testing. If all systems are go step 4 is "limited" practice reduced to no more than 30 minutes. Step 5 is full practice followed by medical clearance from a league and union approved neurologist.

Nabers is 9 days post concussion and hasn't made step 4. Concerning. He may have been concussed twice in that game and the plays were relatively close together. Before the concussion on the sideline he catches one over the middle and in some traffic gets dropped on his head. Tweaks his neck. Has a moment that looks like a possible KO then stretches out on his back and lays there for a second. A few plays later he tries to keep both feet in hits his facemask pretty hard on the ground and is out cold for over 30 seconds. Neither looked anything close to some of the massive head shots we've seen but, in a way, that's why this is a bit concerning. /ramble

Honesty I think Nabers is/will be fine, at least compared to all other players. Do we have any recent examples of players returning to the game following their concussion? 1 game missed seems to be the new de facto rule. It's pretty short sighted to have such a standard, written or implied, and as I previously stated - dangerous.

 

[Navin Johnson]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

This is the first I have heard of this.

Really? Try Google. Some pretty prominent players have admitted as much, with more rumors swirling just beneath the surface. It really doesn't take much effort to read about it, so you're either living under a rock or choose to live with your head buried deep in the sand. Peyton Manning admitted manipulating his baseline, but there are plenty more examples if you spend 5 minutes looking. It's a problem, and I'm still not sure the NFL knows exactly how to address it.

the "look it up" argument? Yeah, I'm good, bro.

 

[Chaka]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

This is the first I have heard of this.

Really? Try Google. Some pretty prominent players have admitted as much, with more rumors swirling just beneath the surface. It really doesn't take much effort to read about it, so you're either living under a rock or choose to live with your head buried deep in the sand. Peyton Manning admitted manipulating his baseline, but there are plenty more examples if you spend 5 minutes looking. It's a problem, and I'm still not sure the NFL knows exactly how to address it.

"nfl players manipulating concussion protocol baseline" Nothing on the first page. Just a bunch of stuff about the protocol itself or accusations against the NFL for manipulating the concussion protocol settlement payout money.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

This is the first I have heard of this.

Really? Try Google. Some pretty prominent players have admitted as much, with more rumors swirling just beneath the surface. It really doesn't take much effort to read about it, so you're either living under a rock or choose to live with your head buried deep in the sand. Peyton Manning admitted manipulating his baseline, but there are plenty more examples if you spend 5 minutes looking. It's a problem, and I'm still not sure the NFL knows exactly how to address it.

the "look it up" argument? Yeah, I'm good, bro.

Right, the problem doesn’t exist if you keep your head in the sand? My point is this is pretty common knowledge if follow the NFL at all. Like, it would be hard not to have seen or heard some of the stories told by players as prominent as Peyton Manning. If you choose to ignore the issue and be a jerk, fine. That’s what the ignore button is for.

 

[Chaka]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

This is the first I have heard of this.

Really? Try Google. Some pretty prominent players have admitted as much, with more rumors swirling just beneath the surface. It really doesn't take much effort to read about it, so you're either living under a rock or choose to live with your head buried deep in the sand. Peyton Manning admitted manipulating his baseline, but there are plenty more examples if you spend 5 minutes looking. It's a problem, and I'm still not sure the NFL knows exactly how to address it.

the "look it up" argument? Yeah, I'm good, bro.

Right, the problem doesn’t exist if you keep your head in the sand? My point is this is pretty common knowledge if follow the NFL at all. Like, it would be hard not to have seen or heard some of the stories told by players as prominent as Peyton Manning. If you choose to ignore the issue and be a jerk, fine. That’s what the ignore button is for.

Do we have anything more recent than Manning's comments in 2011, which was two years before the NFL fully adopted the concussion protocol guidelines?

I am sure players try to game the system, but I'm also certain that the system has improved over the past 12 years.

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Just for the record this is not information the NFL likes to freely discuss but here are a few interesting articles if you’re interested. I’ve heard much more lengthy and in depth discussions on sports talk radio and podcasts but there’s plenty of smoke if you care to look.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

m.youtube.com

NFL player who retired at age 24 over head-injury concerns says it's easy to cheat the concussion protocol

Chris Borland is one of many figures to say the NFL concussion protocol is easy for players to work around.

www.businessinsider.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/07/31/athletes-can-easily-trick-popular-concussion-test-study-finds/

To avoid concussion rules, some players sandbag their baseline tests

NFL players are given tests to determine their baseline brain functioning so that if they suffer a concussion, they can be held out until they return to their previous levels.

www.nbcsports.com

NFL aware of concussion test cheating | Fox Sports

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told FOXSports.com on Wednesday that he was aware of players intentionally scoring lower on the initial baseline testing used to help determine the severity of a head injury.

amp.foxsports.com

NFL concussion protocol cannot save football

NFL players are going to try to fake the concussion protocol, no matter how good it is.

www.sbnation.com

Report: Concussion Test Susceptible to Cheating

A common test that screen for concussions can easily be duped, according to new research from Butler University that was reported on by the Washington Post.

www.athleticbusiness.com

 

[Jacob's Ladder]

Also, if you’re looking for current players talking about this, you won’t find any. I assume the reason is obvious, but if not, I have some cheap and beautiful ocean front property in Arizona on the market…

 

[FairWarning]

I don’t disagree but happy they seem to be on the side of caution

I truly don't think any of that is at play here. Steps needed to pass the concussion protocol are designed to not have the team be able to clear the player. It's out of their hands.

C'mon...it's all BS. Pre-Tua spasming on the ground, concussions meant leave the game and come back the following week. Post-Tua it means you miss one week (unless you're Tua, then you go on IR and can come back afterward, scrambled brain or not). This artificial standard is not only stupid, its dangerous.

I'm going to take the agree to disagree position here.

What part?

All of it I guess because there is a standard concussion protocol that is out of the teams hands and you seem to be insinuating this is being manipulated.

Oh I agree there is a league standard, and I'm sorry if you misunderstood me. I'm blasting the NFL standard, written or implied, not how the teams are forced to handle it.

That said, there have been loud rumors of players attempting to manipulate their baseline. I see why they would do it, I just don't think it's smart.

This is the first I have heard of this.

Yeah. I quit watching football for five years in part because of the cte story and Seau's suicide. He was a neighbor, his sister a friend of my ex. I follow the concussion stories as closely as I can and haven't heard even quiet rumors about players manipulating their baseline. Not even sure what that means, or if there is a baseline.

Fwiw, the five steps in the protocol aren't complicated or prone to manipulation. The first step is rest. You've been concussed. Just chill for a couple days. Balance is tested with very light exercise during this step. Step two is letting the athlete work up a sweat, cardiovascular exercise only, and more balance testing. Step three is more of the same but introduces strength training and testing. If all systems are go step 4 is "limited" practice reduced to no more than 30 minutes. Step 5 is full practice followed by medical clearance from a league and union approved neurologist.

Nabers is 9 days post concussion and hasn't made step 4. Concerning. He may have been concussed twice in that game and the plays were relatively close together. Before the concussion on the sideline he catches one over the middle and in some traffic gets dropped on his head. Tweaks his neck. Has a moment that looks like a possible KO then stretches out on his back and lays there for a second. A few plays later he tries to keep both feet in hits his facemask pretty hard on the ground and is out cold for over 30 seconds. Neither looked anything close to some of the massive head shots we've seen but, in a way, that's why this is a bit concerning. /ramble

Honesty I think Nabers is/will be fine, at least compared to all other players. Do we have any recent examples of players returning to the game following their concussion? 1 game missed seems to be the new de facto rule. It's pretty short sighted to have such a standard, written or implied, and as I previously stated - dangerous.

I think there were 2-3 last year out of 20+. Two injuries you never want to see in fantasy - concussions and high ankle sprains.

 

[rockaction]

Just for the record this is not information the NFL likes to freely discuss but here are a few interesting articles if you’re interested. I’ve heard much more lengthy and in depth discussions on sports talk radio and podcasts but there’s plenty of smoke if you care to look.

- YouTube

Enjoy the videos and music you love, upload original content, and share it all with friends, family, and the world on YouTube.

m.youtube.com

NFL player who retired at age 24 over head-injury concerns says it's easy to cheat the concussion protocol

Chris Borland is one of many figures to say the NFL concussion protocol is easy for players to work around.

www.businessinsider.com

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/early-lead/wp/2018/07/31/athletes-can-easily-trick-popular-concussion-test-study-finds/

To avoid concussion rules, some players sandbag their baseline tests

NFL players are given tests to determine their baseline brain functioning so that if they suffer a concussion, they can be held out until they return to their previous levels.

www.nbcsports.com

NFL aware of concussion test cheating | Fox Sports

NFL commissioner Roger Goodell told FOXSports.com on Wednesday that he was aware of players intentionally scoring lower on the initial baseline testing used to help determine the severity of a head injury.

amp.foxsports.com

NFL concussion protocol cannot save football

NFL players are going to try to fake the concussion protocol, no matter how good it is.

www.sbnation.com

Report: Concussion Test Susceptible to Cheating

A common test that screen for concussions can easily be duped, according to new research from Butler University that was reported on by the Washington Post.

www.athleticbusiness.com

Borland was going to be something else. It's really too bad for fans of the sport that he retired. Great for him and his brain health. Can't deny that.