No idea and could just as easily be a case where he caused a lot more damage by trying to return to soon late in the 2020 season knowing it was Bree's last run.
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WR Michael Thomas, Free Agent (1 Viewer)
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Doug B
Footballguy
Some of you guys have had Thomas on your squads, so you know. For the others ...
When this injury first happened, it was reported as a mild ankle turn. Didn't even think he's miss a game -- just skip a few practices and he's be right back to 100%.
He missed the next seven weeks (six games and a bye). Then probably came back too soon.
When this injury first happened, it was reported as a mild ankle turn. Didn't even think he's miss a game -- just skip a few practices and he's be right back to 100%.
He missed the next seven weeks (six games and a bye). Then probably came back too soon.
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
I planned to RFA tender him in an IDP contract/salary cap dynasty league, but now will have to monitor and think about it some more. 2yrs and the ankle's still not right....doesn't pass the smell test at all. The 1st round tender price is actually well below his salary from last year (I inherited him when I picked up the orphan roster 3years ago). Got til mid June to make a decision, so I guess I'll be scouring the Saints innerwebs for the next few weeks.
Picking 7th in our rookie draft in July so maybe Olave will be an option ?
Picking 7th in our rookie draft in July so maybe Olave will be an option ?
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I planned to RFA tender him in an IDP contract/salary cap dynasty league, but now will have to monitor and think about it some more. 2yrs and the ankle's still not right....doesn't pass the smell test at all. The 1st round tender price is actually well below his salary from last year (I inherited him when I picked up the orphan roster 3years ago). Got til mid June to make a decision, so I guess I'll be scouring the Saints innerwebs for the next few weeks.
Picking 7th in our rookie draft in July so maybe Olave will be an option ?
I also had Thomas in a 14-team IDP contract/salary league. His contract was up, and he was an RFA. Under our rules, you can franchise tag someone, and, if anyone bids on him, you could elect to let the player go for a 2022 and '23 1st-rounder. I applied the franchise tag to Thomas. Had I kept him, he would have accounted for more than 10 percent of my total salary cap. I let everyone know I would let Thomas go for less than the required compensation if anyone wanted to bid on him. I got someone to take him off my hands for a '23 1st, and the other guy got Thomas at the minimum salary of $1.
TL;DR: I traded Thomas for a '23 1st.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
It's not going to be easy in a league full of Saints fans .. but I am going to try to acquire him cheap-ish in our long-standing Keep-6 league.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
It’s risk/reward both ways.
Might be easier in a league of Saints fans. Information is dangerous…it can spook people.
The questions is how much is worth the risk? 2nd? 1st?
Maggot Brain
Footballguy
The first year his salary was $180+-crazy high, but I had the cap space and he was still 'Michael Thomas' in my mind. Last year, with covid and his injured reserve status his $194 salary only counted $97 with our IR rules. Outta sight and outta mind and I made the playoffs with him not playing at all. This year leaves me with a tough decision. Hearing about him still not being able to practice is 'no bueno' imo.
1st round tender is around 100 and 3rd is around 70, so I have some decisions to make. There's also a 5th round tender, but I'm sure someone would jump on that for sure.
1st round tender is around 100 and 3rd is around 70, so I have some decisions to make. There's also a 5th round tender, but I'm sure someone would jump on that for sure.
Leroy's Aces
Footballguy
Missed the last two seasons.
Multiple surgeries on the ankle.
Still not ready in June of 2022.
Only rostered due to contract adjustments to keep team out of cap hell.
Team drafted WR Chris Olave in 1st round.
Signed Jarvis Landry recently.
Occam's Razor.
He's done.
Multiple surgeries on the ankle.
Still not ready in June of 2022.
Only rostered due to contract adjustments to keep team out of cap hell.
Team drafted WR Chris Olave in 1st round.
Signed Jarvis Landry recently.
Occam's Razor.
He's done.
massraider
Footballguy
Doug B
Footballguy
As rough as it's been looking, let me offer one correction:
Thomas did play in 7 regular season games + 2 playoff games in 2020.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Done may be too harsh but assuming he comes back Im certainly not expecting anything close to his past history -low #2/ high #3 WR production is at least something.
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bro1ncos
IBL Representative
Owned him 2 leagues previously, until 2019, and my propensity to trade players immediately after career years definitely paid off in this case.
Hate to see good players go down to injury, but a supposed simple ankle injury that basically lasts 2 years and with reports that he still isn't quite ready doesn't bode well for the future.
Hate to see good players go down to injury, but a supposed simple ankle injury that basically lasts 2 years and with reports that he still isn't quite ready doesn't bode well for the future.
Shawnky
Footballguy
Where are you getting this? I was a dreaded high ankle sprain and he was definitely brought back way too quickly.
bro1ncos
IBL Representative
More of a generalization I guess. But I believe original reports after the initial injury were that it would only be a few week injury. And yes he obviously came back too early and obviously reinjured the ankle to a much more serious extent that has never been fully revealed by the Saints.
massraider
Footballguy
Latest is that he "hopes" to be ready for camp.Shawnky said:
Ummmm
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I mean, it’s possible. More likely he comes back, but with legit concern he isn’t what he was and/or is a shell of his pro bowl form.Leroy's Aces said:
Just keepin it real - he’s 2 years older, and had a significant lower leg injury - so it’s hard to imagine he’s been running at all.
Without going so far as to say he’s done, I do believe it’s fair to wonder what he’ll be for FF shareholders at 29 years old coming off of this injury/absence, without Brees, and with more competition for receptions than he’s had in the past.
It’s difficult to feel Optimistic about him headed into 2022.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Yeah, that’s where I’m thinking - his heyday may well be a thing of the past. He’s one of those “if he comes back he could dominate” guys in some people’s minds. And if I had shares of MT I’d be scouring my league to find those minds and try to extract as much value from them as possible for him right now.Kiddnets said:
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bro1ncos
IBL Representative
This can't be undersold either. I have little doubt that a HOF quarterback deserves a little credit for his success.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Fair to even say “more than a little”, considering how talented Brees was, and how much he loved targeting MT.
I think I've said this a million times in this thread but please check out his 9 game log with Taysom and Teddy. If you can make it with them, especially Taysom, you can make it with anyone. He's as QB proof as any WR in the league.
Sadly I'm not sure the ankle will ever be healthy enough to prove this point to people who keep thinking he needs Brees.
bro1ncos
IBL Representative
Didn't Kamara miss some of those games too? Just going from memory.
But yes, great WR, just better with Brees in my opinion.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
Oh I’m not saying it was all Brees - but for sure Brees peppered him, and also of importance, moved the chains consistently & played winning team football.
More drives = more opportunities for MT.
My thoughts about Brees weren’t exclusive to MT’s success. More about the Saints having Brees, which elevates the entire team.
Winston (or Taysom) may not have as much success sustaining that offense, which could be a limiting factor. Plus age & the ankle, and loss of Sean Payton.
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smbkrypt24
Footballguy
When reading the post you commented on I immediately thought of those posts showing how well MT did without Brees. I just thought I guess this conversation needs to happen again to remind people.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I have been keeping my opinion to myself for the most part about this but I think Chris Olave is being under valued by the majority of the fantasy community and MTs slow recovery is just another data point among many that leads me to believe that.
Only 2 of those games, weeks 7 & 8 of 2019. MT got 11 targets in each of those two games. He got 12 and 13 targets the two games prior to that with Kamara in the line-up and Brees out.
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Still in wait and see mode. Could still be good if healthy
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
finfansteve
Footballguy
I share Leroy’s opinion here.Leroy's Aces said:
all signs point to him never having the relevance both in real football as well as fantasy. Too many factors going against him to ever dominate like he did with Brees. I’ve done very well acquiring him and trading him and then again in the one dynasty league I have had him in but I won’t be repeating that cycle a third time I think he can come back and play but most likely not dominate like he did
Shawnky
Footballguy
Hot Sauce Guy
Footballguy
I’d handicap it at 60% chance he’s “good”, 15% chance he’s “great”.
Heck at this point one might want to handicap the chances he’d be healthy.
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dipandglide
Footballguy
I'd take anything resembling early 2nd round value (dynasty) or better for him. He's aging, long injury history, been out of football for the better part of two years, massive attitude, etc. Get what you can for him before you end up holding the bag. Injuries suck.
If the ankle injury was not an issue I'd put him easily as a top 10 WR.
That however might be one of the emptiest predictions I've made in a long time because based on latest info from someone I put a lot of stock in his ankle is jacked. Not to extent he can't play, but to extent it will limit what he can do when he does play.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
Even if he does get back on the field he won't command the target share he once did. His ADP is too high and even if it was 12 spots lower (in the 30s) I would avoid. So, with questions about health, Olave, Landry, questions about his QB and ADP, no thanks.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Yes - he's pretty much a DND in redraft for me - unless he has some quick turnaround and shows something in the pre-season.
jm192
Footballguy
I don't think it's a bad gamble.
But I thought he was worth it in like the 8th/9th round last year. I won't be surprised if he somehow doesn't play again. He's been out of football for basically 2 years. Honestly the guy has been such a headache, part of me would rather just not eat the roster spot hoping for the best.
I guess this will be much clearer come training camp time.
