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WR Mike Evans, TB (1 Viewer)

Is it weird that i see the drops as a positive? Hands were never an issue for him so i dont think it will become a trend. Fact of the matter is he gets a ton of targets cause hes always open. He had over 150 yards and dropped 6 balls. Guy will have a lot of monster games.

 
fruity pebbles said:
Is it weird that i see the drops as a positive? Hands were never an issue for him so i dont think it will become a trend. Fact of the matter is he gets a ton of targets cause hes always open. He had over 150 yards and dropped 6 balls. Guy will have a lot of monster games.
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fruity pebbles said:
Is it weird that i see the drops as a positive? Hands were never an issue for him so i dont think it will become a trend. Fact of the matter is he gets a ton of targets cause hes always open. He had over 150 yards and dropped 6 balls. Guy will have a lot of monster games.
I thought the exact same thing. Sounded like he might have had a bigger week than Antonio if if would have gone his way.

 
He'll be fine just on volume until ASJ and VJAX return, but as soon as they're back he'd better become more sure handed if he wants to see the ball.

 
Didn't see the game. Any drops this week? 8 of 13 targets for 126 on a day when they scored all of 10 points sounds pretty good.
Bad one on a 3rd down that would have kept a drive alive. Jameis underthrew him a couple times on would have been TD's also.

Evans was definitely better this week though. He dominated Carr and Claiborne.

 
absolutely love this kid.

and really, that's what he is... a kid.

he and jameis should be crazy fun to watch over the next years

 
I hope he gets it together.  He made a bunch of awful drops and failed to make a lot of plays that were there for the taking.  It might be harsh, but he cost the Bucs at least 2 games and probably 3 all by himself.  If he keeps it up he'll end up in the worst doghouse imaginable for a receiver, his quarterback's.

 
Great article.  I get that.  From a fantasy perspective, that's fine, but when they're occurring on 3rd and 8 and therefore forcing the punt or field goal team onto the field he's the difference between wins and losses.  Maybe it's negativity bias, but I don't see how you can be a great receiver if you drop the football or can't make a big play when it counts.

 
Feel like last season was the exception, and not the case w evans. 

Usually surehanded and confident...  Played a BIT meek at times last season...  Think he was trying to do too much w all the eyes on him and Winston, and lost track of the basics. 

Oddly enough the guy made TONS of sick grabs all year long, but dropped the gimmes that he always wrangles. 

Not worried

 
I have a super strong receiving group in my PPR Superflex Dynasty to go along with Mike Evans

AJ Green
Dez
Edelman
Agholor
Dorsett
Smelter
Amendola

So I'm trying to gauge Evan's trade value in terms of going after a stud RB (Gurley or Leveon....maybe David Johnson).

With such a strong top 4 wideouts, I think it's overkill.  I'd like to trade Edelman but don't think he's got any value right now.  Dez and AJ are both studs but in a dynasty I don't know that either has more value than Mike Evans right now.  

So Evans + what = Gurley in a PPR league.  I was thinking of offering Evans + Demarco Murray for Gurley.  Is that out of line?  Too much, too little?  

 
I have a super strong receiving group in my PPR Superflex Dynasty to go along with Mike Evans

AJ Green
Dez
Edelman
Agholor
Dorsett
Smelter
Amendola

So I'm trying to gauge Evan's trade value in terms of going after a stud RB (Gurley or Leveon....maybe David Johnson).

With such a strong top 4 wideouts, I think it's overkill.  I'd like to trade Edelman but don't think he's got any value right now.  Dez and AJ are both studs but in a dynasty I don't know that either has more value than Mike Evans right now.  

So Evans + what = Gurley in a PPR league.  I was thinking of offering Evans + Demarco Murray for Gurley.  Is that out of line?  Too much, too little?  
As an Evans dynasty owner with Julio, Keenan, Cooks, and KB- I can't fathom trading a guy like Evans at this point. I would say Evans plus Demarco is a good starting point for Gurley but with RB shelf life < WR shelf life and WR1s outscoring RB1s by a decent bit in my league, I wouldn't be willing to give too much more. That is unless you just absolutely love Gurley.

It's crazy they literally scored within 2 total points in my league.  Gurley missed 3 total games and Evans missed week 1 and 3 quarters of week 2. Gurley had a great year in what was generally a low expectancy year with his first action since the knee injury. Evans had a bad year with drops and low TDs. With Evans being 346 days older, the age argument doesn't exist so I guess it truly comes down to team need.  Like I said above... start with Evans and Murray for Gurley but don't be willing to add another position unless you just downright love Gurley.  Best of luck, Sabertooth!

 
Just based on my own dealings, I'd say Evans is the most valuable guy out of those. Everyone wants him, but they won't pay Top Dollar and owners won't sell for less than the huge price he had last offseason. Same with Dez due to the injuries. AJG is in trade purgatory: still scoring like an elite wide receiver, but he is the black sheep of the elite dynasty tier that no one seems to want unless it is for cheap.

 
As an Evans dynasty owner with Julio, Keenan, Cooks, and KB- I can't fathom trading a guy like Evans at this point. I would say Evans plus Demarco is a good starting point for Gurley but with RB shelf life < WR shelf life and WR1s outscoring RB1s by a decent bit in my league, I wouldn't be willing to give too much more. That is unless you just absolutely love Gurley.

It's crazy they literally scored within 2 total points in my league.  Gurley missed 3 total games and Evans missed week 1 and 3 quarters of week 2. Gurley had a great year in what was generally a low expectancy year with his first action since the knee injury. Evans had a bad year with drops and low TDs. With Evans being 346 days older, the age argument doesn't exist so I guess it truly comes down to team need.  Like I said above... start with Evans and Murray for Gurley but don't be willing to add another position unless you just downright love Gurley.  Best of luck, Sabertooth!
Wow great response. :hifive:

 
Just based on my own dealings, I'd say Evans is the most valuable guy out of those. Everyone wants him, but they won't pay Top Dollar and owners won't sell for less than the huge price he had last offseason. Same with Dez due to the injuries. AJG is in trade purgatory: still scoring like an elite wide receiver, but he is the black sheep of the elite dynasty tier that no one seems to want unless it is for cheap.
I agree.  Evans gets the edge because he's younger.  I can't see moving him.  And I love Gurley.  

 
I have a super strong receiving group in my PPR Superflex Dynasty to go along with Mike Evans

AJ Green
Dez
Edelman
Agholor
Dorsett
Smelter
Amendola

So I'm trying to gauge Evan's trade value in terms of going after a stud RB (Gurley or Leveon....maybe David Johnson).

With such a strong top 4 wideouts, I think it's overkill.  I'd like to trade Edelman but don't think he's got any value right now.  Dez and AJ are both studs but in a dynasty I don't know that either has more value than Mike Evans right now.  

So Evans + what = Gurley in a PPR league.  I was thinking of offering Evans + Demarco Murray for Gurley.  Is that out of line?  Too much, too little?  
Take this to the Assistant Coach forum where it belongs. You know better. Thanks!

 
 

Mike Evans and Jameis Winston spent time together this offseason working on pass routes and breaking down film.
The work ethic of both Evans and Winston were called into question after Winston packed on pounds during his rookie year and Evans suffered through a sophomore slump, dropping an NFC-high 15 passes and managing only three TDs after scoring a dozen as a rookie. Per ESPN's Britt McHenry, Evans and Winston "worked through countless routes and were together on and off the field," often meeting to watch game tape before Golden State Warriors games. Not yet 23 years old, Evans is a strong bet for a bounce-back campaign.

 
 
Source: ESPN.com 
May 29 - 1:48 PM

 
Evans (8-21-93) will be a third year WR, yet at 23 is younger than rookie Josh Doctson (12-3-92).

Among the current roughly top 10-12 dynasty WRs, about half range from 22-24 - OBJ (following ages all '16 - 24), DeAndre Hopkins (24), Allen Robinson (23), Evans, Sammy Watkins (23) and Amari Cooper (22), while the other approximately half range from 26-29 - Demaryius Thomas (29) , Antonio Brown (28), Dez Bryant (28), A.J. Green (28), Julio Jones (27) and Alshon Jeffery (26).

Bio/Background - Counting his first two seasons as a pro in TB, Evans has only played football competitively for five years (not counting his redshirt freshman season with the Aggies). Many players have already hit that mark after their freshman year in COLLEGE.   

High school - "He only played football during his senior year..."

College - "Evans played for the Texas A&M Aggies football team from 2011 to 2013. After being redshirted as a freshman in 2011, he had 82 receptions for 1,105 yards and five touchdowns in 2012." 

NFL - "In the Bucs second win of the season over the Washington Redskins, Evans had his best game yet as a pro, catching seven passes for 209 yards and two touchdowns. He became the first rookie receiver to have three consecutive games of 100 yards and at least one touchdown since Randy Moss in 1998. He also became the youngest player in the history of the NFL to catch for 200 or more yards in one game."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mike_Evans_(wide_receiver)

Mike Evans Joins Star-Studded Group 12-22-15

Excerpts - "...Evans is just the eighth player in NFL history to start his career with consecutive 1,000-yard receiving seasons."

"Since he was drafted by the Buccaneers in 2014, Evans has hit the 150-yard mark more often than all but one other player in the NFL. Atlanta's Julio Jones has six such outings in that span, but behind him only Evans and two others have as many as four."

"Evans has a total of eight 100-yard games in less than two seasons, which is already sixth-most in franchise history. His rate of one 100-yard game for every 3.5 games played is the best mark in team history. Only Antonio Bryant (one very 4.14 games) is particularly close."

"Evans is averaging 15.8 yards per reception, a slight uptick from his mark of 15.5 as a rookie. Only six other players in the NFL had an average of at least 15 yards per catch last year and are on pace to duplicate that feat in 2015. Among those seven, only two have more overall receptions in 2014-15 than Evans..."

"As a kid, Evans was a huge fan of Randy Moss, the big-play receiver for Minnesota, Oakland and New England (and, briefly, Tennessee and San Francisco). It's fitting then that Evans has now joined Moss as the only players in NFL history to record two 1,000-yard receiving seasons before they turned 23."

http://www.buccaneers.com/news/article-smith/Mike-Evans-Joins-Star-Studded-Group/d5fc7af7-0af4-42f0-bbe7-b290592e6d3b

 
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Rookie WR/TE Receiving Yards (Ditka only TE on list)

1) Anquan Boldin ARI '03 - 1,377

2) Randy Moss MIN '98 - 1,313 

3) OBJ NYG '14 - 1,305 (missed four games and five starts)

13) Evans TB '14 - 1,051 (15 games)

20 rookie WRs/TEs have gone over 1,000 receiving yards

From the list at the below link (through 14 games in '14), Billy Howton (GB '52), Harlon Hill (CHI '54), Mike Ditka (CHI '61) and Bob Hayes (DAL '65) were pre-merger, SINCE the common draft era, Amari Cooper is 9th and Evans 10th  

THREE WRs from the fabled class of '14 had 1,000+ yards (and Sammy Watkins JUST missed becoming a fourth by 18 yards - that would have been TWENTY% of the list from one draft!!). This could be interpreted several ways, A) surely a sign of the times and the evolution towards a more pass wacky NFL, but also B) 2014 was without a doubt a historically talented WR class, we won't be seeing 3-4 rookies from the same class crack the 1,000 receiving yard threshold on a regular basis. 

Kelvin Benjamin CAR '14 - 73/1,008/9  

Sammy Watkins BUF '14 - 65/982/6

From the class of '15, one WR accomplished the feat

Amari Cooper OAK '15 - 72/1,070/6 

https://sportslistoftheday.com/2014/12/24/nfl-odell-beckham-mike-evans-and-rookies-with-the-most-receiving-yards-all-time/

Rookie WR/TE TDs (Ditka and Gronkowski only TEs on the list) 

1) Moss MIN '98 - 17

2) John Jefferson SD '78 - 13

3) OBJ NYG '14 - 12 AND Evans TB '14 - 12

The exact same pre-merger era four names also populate the TD list near the top (Howton, Ditka, Hayes and Hill), above SINCE the common draft 

https://sportslistoftheday.com/2014/12/25/nfl-rookies-with-the-most-receiving-touchdowns-all-time/

* Mike Evans stats - PFR

2014 rookie season - 68/1,051-12

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/EvanMi00.htm

 
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Fantasy Football Draft Day Dilemmas: Is Mike Evans best third-year WR value?



The Year 3 wide receiver class might be the best ever, so who should you target to maximize Fantasy value? Chris Towers says that man is bounce-back Buccaneer Mike Evans.


http://www.cbssports.com/fantasy/football/news/fantasy-football-draft-day-dilemmas-is-mike-evans-the-best-of-the-third-year-breakouts/

"The Bucs let him (Winston) loose as the season went on, and he averaged 34.8 pass attempts per game after their Week 6 bye. Evans dealt with early injuries but averaged 93.8 yards on 5.5 catches per game from Week 7 on."

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Buccaneers WR Mike Evans full of surprises off field, but no longer a secret on it

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/buccaneers/2015/06/29/mike-evans-wide-receiver-odell-beckham-jameis-winston-tampa-bay/29320219/

"He'll play on an island more often as the "X" receiver in the Bucs' new offense — the same role in which Julio Jones thrived when Koetter was with the Atlanta Falcons."

 
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Not sure we see him getting out of the 1st/early 2nd to be honest. 

He's not a secret anymore. And I don't think his TD #s last year will scare anyone. 
The drops might.  Led the league.  Officially he was only dinged for 11, but he left several more on the field that he should have had.

 
A top 10 WR this year, that you can get as your WR2.
I think that is where the value is, I don't know if I want to count on him as my WR1.   Drafting him in the 1st, you'd need him to.   I'm not really comfortable building around him, especially given the other options at his ADP.   Alshon/Keenan Allen are guys for me that I'll likely be going with over Evans in those spots in redraft this year.  

 
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They play Newton, Brees and Ryan twice each in the NFC South. They also get the NFC and AFC West (ARI, SEA, DEN and KC playoff teams, OAK up and coming), plus DAL and CHI the odd two other 2016 regular season opponents.

If TB is behind, that generally translates to needing to throw more in second half and fourth quarter.     

 
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For those who find value in pre season strength of schedule, Evans has the most difficult WR schedule this season. 


 Evans is quickly ascending into one of my "must haves" this season.

 True, I know the SOS is damn tough, but I think opportunity and chemistry trumps all in many cases.

 When I read in several outlets that he and Winston spent offseason time working together, thats all I needed to hear.

 Those are the types of tidbits that I try and capitalize on each year, and this one will be no different.

(I tend to draft WR-WR in all my leagues to open up, and getting him as my WR2 in round two is making me salivate already)

 Appreciate the heads up on the SOS note. Also- I think it would be a good idea if someone started a SOS thread somewhere around here, and listed the top 5 WR and RB schedules, even QB would help.

I don't go by that exactly, but in close decisions I use that combined with bye weeks to help me in those close decisions personally.

If there is a similar SOS thread around here, I would like a link if anyone can dig it up.

 TZM

 
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The schedule for Tampa Bay is definitely going to be more difficult than it was last season. Winston isn't a rookie anymore so there should be some improvement. These two things may end up being a wash and number similar to last season as a result.

I would expect some improvement in terms of efficiency from Winstron but there may be more turnovers and bad game scripts like Bob mentions above.

The early part of the season, games 2 to 4 are especially difficult. This may create a buy low opportunity for Bucs players if they do struggle a lot against these defenses. The early bye week might also help the price a bit.

1    Atlanta Falcons   
2    @    Arizona Cardinals    
3    Los Angeles Rams    
4    Denver Broncos    
5    @    Carolina Panthers    
6    Bye Week    
7    @    San Francisco 49ers    
8    Oakland Raiders    
9    Atlanta Falcons    
10    Chicago Bears    
11    @    Kansas City Chiefs    
12    Seattle Seahawks    
13    @    San Diego Chargers    
14    New Orleans Saints    
15    @    Dallas Cowboys    
16    @    New Orleans Saints    
17    Carolina Panthers

After the bye week the schedule isn't quite as bad, although there still are some difficult defenses.

The Panthers may not be as good against the pass without Norman.

I think the Bears defense is going to be improved.

 
 Evans is quickly ascending into one of my "must haves" this season.

 True, I know the SOS is damn tough, but I think opportunity and chemistry trumps all in many cases.

 When I read in several outlets that he and Winston spent offseason time working together, thats all I needed to hear.

 Those are the types of tidbits that I try and capitalize on each year, and this one will be no different.

(I tend to draft WR-WR in all my leagues to open up, and getting him as my WR2 in round two is making me salivate already)

 Appreciate the heads up on the SOS note. Also- I think it would be a good idea if someone started a SOS thread somewhere around here, and listed the top 5 WR and RB schedules, even QB would help.

I don't go by that exactly, but in close decisions I use that combined with bye weeks to help me in those close decisions personally.

If there is a similar SOS thread around here, I would like a link if anyone can dig it up.

 TZM
I posted a thread looking if anyone had info on how reliable SoS data is from year to year. I didn't get any responses though. I think before we examine the schedule, it's important to figure out how consistent these points against stats are from year to year.

 
I posted a thread looking if anyone had info on how reliable SoS data is from year to year. I didn't get any responses though. I think before we examine the schedule, it's important to figure out how consistent these points against stats are from year to year.
I did a study on it a number of years ago and posted it on this site.  Haven't looked for it recently - it was about 4-5 years ago.

Main takeaway was that defenses regress to the mean, but not fully in year N+1.  at least from a fantasy points allowed perspective.

 
You can't defend against height, size, speed, and pure grit. Evans the rare combo of all 4

Talent trumps SoS

 
The schedule for Tampa Bay is definitely going to be more difficult than it was last season. Winston isn't a rookie anymore so there should be some improvement. These two things may end up being a wash and number similar to last season as a result.

I would expect some improvement in terms of efficiency from Winstron but there may be more turnovers and bad game scripts like Bob mentions above.

The early part of the season, games 2 to 4 are especially difficult. This may create a buy low opportunity for Bucs players if they do struggle a lot against these defenses. The early bye week might also help the price a bit.

1    Atlanta Falcons   
2    @    Arizona Cardinals    
3    Los Angeles Rams    
4    Denver Broncos    
5    @    Carolina Panthers    
6    Bye Week    
7    @    San Francisco 49ers    
8    Oakland Raiders    
9    Atlanta Falcons    
10    Chicago Bears    
11    @    Kansas City Chiefs    
12    Seattle Seahawks    
13    @    San Diego Chargers    
14    New Orleans Saints    
15    @    Dallas Cowboys    
16    @    New Orleans Saints    
17    Carolina Panthers

After the bye week the schedule isn't quite as bad, although there still are some difficult defenses.

The Panthers may not be as good against the pass without Norman.

I think the Bears defense is going to be improved.
Saints-cowboys-saints in the FF playoffs though.

 

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