Sabertooth
Footballguy
You miss 100% of the targets that go to your teammates.
thisfruity pebbles said:Is it weird that i see the drops as a positive? Hands were never an issue for him so i dont think it will become a trend. Fact of the matter is he gets a ton of targets cause hes always open. He had over 150 yards and dropped 6 balls. Guy will have a lot of monster games.
I thought the exact same thing. Sounded like he might have had a bigger week than Antonio if if would have gone his way.fruity pebbles said:Is it weird that i see the drops as a positive? Hands were never an issue for him so i dont think it will become a trend. Fact of the matter is he gets a ton of targets cause hes always open. He had over 150 yards and dropped 6 balls. Guy will have a lot of monster games.
I guess it's true that people see whatever they want to see.Looks like a 22yr old, on a 3-5 team, trying to make huge play after huge play to help his team win.
Needs to focus on catching the ball first, and the big plays will create themselves w his speed and strength. Looks like he;s just overthinking it
Bad one on a 3rd down that would have kept a drive alive. Jameis underthrew him a couple times on would have been TD's also.Didn't see the game. Any drops this week? 8 of 13 targets for 126 on a day when they scored all of 10 points sounds pretty good.
Thanks for the reply GB.Bad one on a 3rd down that would have kept a drive alive. Jameis underthrew him a couple times on would have been TD's also.Didn't see the game. Any drops this week? 8 of 13 targets for 126 on a day when they scored all of 10 points sounds pretty good.
Evans was definitely better this week though. He dominated Carr and Claiborne.
Agreed, he's with Winston trying to build a rapport.Evans owners are gonna be very well rewarded this season.
Re: Drops... A pretty good readI hope he gets it together. He made a bunch of awful drops and failed to make a lot of plays that were there for the taking. It might be harsh, but he cost the Bucs at least 2 games and probably 3 all by himself. If he keeps it up he'll end up in the worst doghouse imaginable for a receiver, his quarterback's.
Great article. I get that. From a fantasy perspective, that's fine, but when they're occurring on 3rd and 8 and therefore forcing the punt or field goal team onto the field he's the difference between wins and losses. Maybe it's negativity bias, but I don't see how you can be a great receiver if you drop the football or can't make a big play when it counts.
As an Evans dynasty owner with Julio, Keenan, Cooks, and KB- I can't fathom trading a guy like Evans at this point. I would say Evans plus Demarco is a good starting point for Gurley but with RB shelf life < WR shelf life and WR1s outscoring RB1s by a decent bit in my league, I wouldn't be willing to give too much more. That is unless you just absolutely love Gurley.I have a super strong receiving group in my PPR Superflex Dynasty to go along with Mike Evans
AJ Green
Dez
Edelman
Agholor
Dorsett
Smelter
Amendola
So I'm trying to gauge Evan's trade value in terms of going after a stud RB (Gurley or Leveon....maybe David Johnson).
With such a strong top 4 wideouts, I think it's overkill. I'd like to trade Edelman but don't think he's got any value right now. Dez and AJ are both studs but in a dynasty I don't know that either has more value than Mike Evans right now.
So Evans + what = Gurley in a PPR league. I was thinking of offering Evans + Demarco Murray for Gurley. Is that out of line? Too much, too little?
Wow great response.As an Evans dynasty owner with Julio, Keenan, Cooks, and KB- I can't fathom trading a guy like Evans at this point. I would say Evans plus Demarco is a good starting point for Gurley but with RB shelf life < WR shelf life and WR1s outscoring RB1s by a decent bit in my league, I wouldn't be willing to give too much more. That is unless you just absolutely love Gurley.
It's crazy they literally scored within 2 total points in my league. Gurley missed 3 total games and Evans missed week 1 and 3 quarters of week 2. Gurley had a great year in what was generally a low expectancy year with his first action since the knee injury. Evans had a bad year with drops and low TDs. With Evans being 346 days older, the age argument doesn't exist so I guess it truly comes down to team need. Like I said above... start with Evans and Murray for Gurley but don't be willing to add another position unless you just downright love Gurley. Best of luck, Sabertooth!
I agree. Evans gets the edge because he's younger. I can't see moving him. And I love Gurley.Just based on my own dealings, I'd say Evans is the most valuable guy out of those. Everyone wants him, but they won't pay Top Dollar and owners won't sell for less than the huge price he had last offseason. Same with Dez due to the injuries. AJG is in trade purgatory: still scoring like an elite wide receiver, but he is the black sheep of the elite dynasty tier that no one seems to want unless it is for cheap.
Take this to the Assistant Coach forum where it belongs. You know better. Thanks!I have a super strong receiving group in my PPR Superflex Dynasty to go along with Mike Evans
AJ Green
Dez
Edelman
Agholor
Dorsett
Smelter
Amendola
So I'm trying to gauge Evan's trade value in terms of going after a stud RB (Gurley or Leveon....maybe David Johnson).
With such a strong top 4 wideouts, I think it's overkill. I'd like to trade Edelman but don't think he's got any value right now. Dez and AJ are both studs but in a dynasty I don't know that either has more value than Mike Evans right now.
So Evans + what = Gurley in a PPR league. I was thinking of offering Evans + Demarco Murray for Gurley. Is that out of line? Too much, too little?
Mike Evans and Jameis Winston spent time together this offseason working on pass routes and breaking down film.
The work ethic of both Evans and Winston were called into question after Winston packed on pounds during his rookie year and Evans suffered through a sophomore slump, dropping an NFC-high 15 passes and managing only three TDs after scoring a dozen as a rookie. Per ESPN's Britt McHenry, Evans and Winston "worked through countless routes and were together on and off the field," often meeting to watch game tape before Golden State Warriors games. Not yet 23 years old, Evans is a strong bet for a bounce-back campaign.
Source: ESPN.com
May 29 - 1:48 PM
Not sure we see him getting out of the 1st/early 2nd to be honest.A top 10 WR this year, that you can get as your WR2.
The drops might. Led the league. Officially he was only dinged for 11, but he left several more on the field that he should have had.Not sure we see him getting out of the 1st/early 2nd to be honest.
He's not a secret anymore. And I don't think his TD #s last year will scare anyone.
What does that even mean when you say he's not a secret anymore? When was a he a secret?Not sure we see him getting out of the 1st/early 2nd to be honest.
He's not a secret anymore. And I don't think his TD #s last year will scare anyone.
I think that is where the value is, I don't know if I want to count on him as my WR1. Drafting him in the 1st, you'd need him to. I'm not really comfortable building around him, especially given the other options at his ADP. Alshon/Keenan Allen are guys for me that I'll likely be going with over Evans in those spots in redraft this year.A top 10 WR this year, that you can get as your WR2.
Nice. Feels good to have him as my #3 then.A top 10 WR this year, that you can get as your WR2.
Interesting, even though prior year SOS isn't highly predictive.For those who find value in pre season strength of schedule, Evans has the most difficult WR schedule this season.
For those who find value in pre season strength of schedule, Evans has the most difficult WR schedule this season.
I posted a thread looking if anyone had info on how reliable SoS data is from year to year. I didn't get any responses though. I think before we examine the schedule, it's important to figure out how consistent these points against stats are from year to year.Evans is quickly ascending into one of my "must haves" this season.
True, I know the SOS is damn tough, but I think opportunity and chemistry trumps all in many cases.
When I read in several outlets that he and Winston spent offseason time working together, thats all I needed to hear.
Those are the types of tidbits that I try and capitalize on each year, and this one will be no different.
(I tend to draft WR-WR in all my leagues to open up, and getting him as my WR2 in round two is making me salivate already)
Appreciate the heads up on the SOS note. Also- I think it would be a good idea if someone started a SOS thread somewhere around here, and listed the top 5 WR and RB schedules, even QB would help.
I don't go by that exactly, but in close decisions I use that combined with bye weeks to help me in those close decisions personally.
If there is a similar SOS thread around here, I would like a link if anyone can dig it up.
TZM
I did a study on it a number of years ago and posted it on this site. Haven't looked for it recently - it was about 4-5 years ago.I posted a thread looking if anyone had info on how reliable SoS data is from year to year. I didn't get any responses though. I think before we examine the schedule, it's important to figure out how consistent these points against stats are from year to year.
Saints-cowboys-saints in the FF playoffs though.The schedule for Tampa Bay is definitely going to be more difficult than it was last season. Winston isn't a rookie anymore so there should be some improvement. These two things may end up being a wash and number similar to last season as a result.
I would expect some improvement in terms of efficiency from Winstron but there may be more turnovers and bad game scripts like Bob mentions above.
The early part of the season, games 2 to 4 are especially difficult. This may create a buy low opportunity for Bucs players if they do struggle a lot against these defenses. The early bye week might also help the price a bit.
1 Atlanta Falcons
2 @ Arizona Cardinals
3 Los Angeles Rams
4 Denver Broncos
5 @ Carolina Panthers
6 Bye Week
7 @ San Francisco 49ers
8 Oakland Raiders
9 Atlanta Falcons
10 Chicago Bears
11 @ Kansas City Chiefs
12 Seattle Seahawks
13 @ San Diego Chargers
14 New Orleans Saints
15 @ Dallas Cowboys
16 @ New Orleans Saints
17 Carolina Panthers
After the bye week the schedule isn't quite as bad, although there still are some difficult defenses.
The Panthers may not be as good against the pass without Norman.
I think the Bears defense is going to be improved.
What carries more weight, grit (even impure), or slapping the ball down to the turf like it has herpes?You can't defend against height, size, speed, and pure grit. Evans the rare combo of all 4
Talent trumps SoS