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WR Mike Williams, LAC (2 Viewers)

Chargers announced in a statement Sunday that first-round pick Mike Williams (back) will not practice at all in training camp.

We're moving Williams from "questionable for Week 1" to "doubtful for Week 1" in our injury outlooks. "Mike saw our doctors yesterday," the statement reads, "and he will continue to progress on Dr. Robert Watkins' plan. He will rehab and strengthen his back and is not expected to practice during training camp." Williams is an obvious candidate for the Chargers' reserve/PUP list, which would cost him the first six games of the season.

Jul 30 - 12:29 PM
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If there are any FBG with rookie drafts that are currently taking place - please post the draft spot where Mike Williams is being selected.

 
Chargers coach Anthony Lynn was noncommittal Sunday when asked if No. 7 overall pick Mike Williams (back) will play football this season.

"I'm hopeful that he's not," said Lynn. "But who knows? I don't know." The Chargers have already ruled Williams out for the entirety of training camp, putting them on track to place Williams on the reserve/PUP list. They could then reevaluate Williams' health after he misses the first six games.

Source: Jack Wang on Twitter 

Jul 30 - 4:07 PM
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Back problems cropping up like this before he's played a down in the NFL are certainly concerning.

On the other hand, the Bills passed up on Gronk because of his back issues. They were right in that he has missed considerable time due to his injuries, but I think just maybe they'd rather have had Gronk and his back problems than Torell Troup.

 
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Faust said:
If there are any FBG with rookie drafts that are currently taking place - please post the draft spot where Mike Williams is being selected.
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Ours started this past Monday. I took him at 1.07.  I will note I have a WR corps that allowed me to take him and not worry about him playing in 2017. 

 
I took him 1.06 yesterday as well. I don't need him this year, and it sounds like most athletes don't have issues after the surgery. I also have Tyrell in that league, so I feel like I have a young breakout WR on the Chargers whether he plays or not. 

 
jtd13 said:
I took him 1.06 yesterday as well. I don't need him this year, and it sounds like most athletes don't have issues after the surgery. I also have Tyrell in that league, so I feel like I have a young breakout WR on the Chargers whether he plays or not. 
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Keenan Allen is a worry, no?

 
Alex P Keaton said:
Has that ever been true before for the Chargers in a season where the WR1 stayed healthy?
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Have they ever had a good 2nd WR when their WR1 stayed healthy?

Tyrell Williams thread is probably a better place for this discussion, but it has been discussed ad nausea in there already anyway. My main point was I think some of the downside associated with Mike Williams injury is offset if you happen to have Tyrell Williams, which I do. I would have taken Mike either way.

 
Adam Schefter‏Verified account @AdamSchefter 20m20 minutes ago

Chargers' HC Anthony Lynn told the La Times that WR Mike Williams could be out all season.

Linkage

 
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One of the biggest reaches of the entire draft even disregarding the injury (which isn't totally fair since the injury was known before the draft), now will likely miss the entire year.

Another example of the NFL (meaning, coaches or front offices) making an obvious and inexcusable blunder

 
maf005 said:
One of the biggest reaches of the entire draft even disregarding the injury (which isn't totally fair since the injury was known before the draft), now will likely miss the entire year.

Another example of the NFL (meaning, coaches or front offices) making an obvious and inexcusable blunder
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As a Charger fan :bag: the pick was absolutely baffling when it was made. They made up for it somewhat later in the draft by picking up some offensive linemen, which they desperately needed, but I can't forgive squandering the 1st rounder like this.

 
Gr00vus said:
As a Charger fan :bag: the pick was absolutely baffling when it was made. They made up for it somewhat later in the draft by picking up some offensive linemen, which they desperately needed, but I can't forgive squandering the 1st rounder like this.
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Lol.  I love the shortsightedness of most fans.  The same types are thrilled about my Panthers' bringing back Hurney to throw money at everyone on the roster.

 
spider321 said:
Lol.  I love the shortsightedness of most fans.  The same types are thrilled about my Panthers' bringing back Hurney to throw money at everyone on the roster.
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Yes, that's exactly the same thing as not being thrilled that the Chargers spent a high 1st rounder on a WR when they had serious needs at NT, ILB, CB, S, and OL, and decent options in the WR/TE corps already. Exactly the same.

 
Gr00vus said:
Yes, that's exactly the same thing as not being thrilled that the Chargers spent a high 1st rounder on a WR when they had serious needs at NT, ILB, CB, S, and OL, and decent options in the WR/TE corps already. Exactly the same.
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:goodposting:  

 
Gr00vus said:
Yes, that's exactly the same thing as not being thrilled that the Chargers spent a high 1st rounder on a WR when they had serious needs at NT, ILB, CB, S, and OL, and decent options in the WR/TE corps already. Exactly the same.
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Taking "positions of need" instead of the best player available, especially in the 1st round, is the definition of shortsightedness. 

 
spider321 said:
Taking "positions of need" instead of the best player available, especially in the 1st round, is the definition of shortsightedness. 
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Doing neither, as in the case of Mike Williams, is even worse.

 
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spider321 said:
Yeah, I've not realized how dominant some players really are, too.  It happens.
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Looks like you're still having problems figuring that out. He's owning PUP though. Not sure that's worth a #7 overall.

 
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Yeah, I've not realized how dominant some players really are, too.  It happens.
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The closest Mike Williams ever got being "dominant" was as a 4th-year Junior. And even with a Heisman candidate as qb, he wasn't particularly prolific. That combined with an unimpressive athletic profile does NOT equate to a 1st round talent.

Is this the same story as DGB? Not impressive in college but tape grinders convinced themselves of massive potential which led to being over-drafted in the real draft. Help me understand..

 
maf005 said:
The closest Mike Williams ever got being "dominant" was as a 4th-year Junior. And even with a Heisman candidate as qb, he wasn't particularly prolific. That combined with an unimpressive athletic profile does NOT equate to a 1st round talent.

Is this the same story as DGB? Not impressive in college but tape grinders convinced themselves of massive potential which led to being over-drafted in the real draft. Help me understand..
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As someone who obviously hasn't actually watched the man play, outside of maybe a YouTube video or two, you won't understand no matter what I type.  Y'all continue hoping to have a contender with "decent options" like Allen and Tyrell Williams as your top 2.  Lol

 
spider321 said:
As someone who obviously hasn't actually watched the man play, outside of maybe a YouTube video or two, you won't understand no matter what I type.  Y'all continue hoping to have a contender with "decent options" like Allen and Tyrell Williams as your top 2.  Lol
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You're right, I haven't watched a minute of Mike Williams live, nor YouTube highlights. (tape grinding is a waste of time for 95% of prospect evaluation imo) His lack of production and mediocre athleticism tell the story.

 
maf005 said:
You're right, I haven't watched a minute of Mike Williams live, nor YouTube highlights. (tape grinding is a waste of time for 95% of prospect evaluation imo) His lack of production and mediocre athleticism tell the story.
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???????

At least you admit it. ?

 
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maf005 said:
One of the biggest reaches of the entire draft even disregarding the injury (which isn't totally fair since the injury was known before the draft), now will likely miss the entire year.

Another example of the NFL (meaning, coaches or front offices) making an obvious and inexcusable blunder
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I dont believe this is true

maf005 said:
You're right, I haven't watched a minute of Mike Williams live, nor YouTube highlights. (tape grinding is a waste of time for 95% of prospect evaluation imo) His lack of production and mediocre athleticism tell the story.
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This is pretty LOL

 
maf005 said:
Seems you're right about not knowing pre-draft. I assumed the current injury was related to the time he ran head first into the goal post and fractured his neck
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broken neck, herniated disc in his back... tomato, tomahto

its seems as if in addition to not watching any type of tape you also dont read blogs, or like, watch news regarding the sport and the players that play it

im sure your league mates love draft night, or darts or whatever you call it

 
Pwingles said:
broken neck, herniated disc in his back... tomato, tomahto

its seems as if in addition to not watching any type of tape you also dont read blogs, or like, watch news regarding the sport and the players that play it

im sure your league mates love draft night, or darts or whatever you call it
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Why would he even have a draft night?  Statistically, pulling names out of a hat is a far more efficient way of deciding which players go on which roster.

 
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Pwingles said:
broken neck, herniated disc in his back... tomato, tomahto

its seems as if in addition to not watching any type of tape you also dont read blogs, or like, watch news regarding the sport and the players that play it

im sure your league mates love draft night, or darts or whatever you call it
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Ok so just because I have a different strategy than you (and don't keep up with rotoworld blurbs daily during the offseason) means i'm not an avid (nor successful) fantasy footballer and my opinion isn't worth considering. Got it. 

Let us know when you're ready to join 2017, we'd be glad to have ya!

 
maf005 said:
Ok so just because I have a different "strategy" than you (and don't keep up with rotoworld blurbs daily during the offseason) means i'm not an avid (nor successful) fantasy footballer and my opinion isn't worth considering. Got it. 
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Fixed.

Also, yes. That is exactly what i am inferring, and how I will treat your "observations" going forward.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
he wasn't the best player available.....
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I can respect your opinion as long as you have actually watched the player in question play football.

I'm still going to disagree with your opinion, but at least that way you've earned the right to have one.

 
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maf005 said:
:thumbup:  Why are people ashamed of not wasting time on unfruitful analysis?
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Like anything else you get out of it what you put into it.

Personally I find watching players really helps fill in some wide gaping holes that other information cannot provide while at the same time adding context and insight into that other information. 

Mileage may vary.

FWIW I am rooting for Mike Williams to get healthy so he can actually show what a reach the Chargers pick was.

 
bicycle_seat_sniffer said:
spider321 said:
Taking "positions of need" instead of the best player available, especially in the 1st round, is the definition of shortsightedness. 
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he wasn't the best player available.....
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:goodposting:  

For the record, I am a NC State homer, so I generally watch ACC football, big matchup games, and the playoffs. So I saw Mike Williams play a number of times.

IMO there is rarely a single, obvious BPA at any given draft position other than possibly the top few picks. There are certainly tiers of talent across positions. IMO this invalidates blanket statements like @spider321's here, though such statements are common enough.

Even if one felt that Mike Williams was in the tier of the best remaining talent at the Chargers' pick, there were others in that tier who played positions of greater need. Personally, I felt that they should have traded down, if possible, since they had so many needs. Failing that, I thought they should have taken DL Allen or FS Hooker. Heck, even RB McCaffrey would have filled a greater need than Williams did, since he could have slotted into the Woodhead role, provided Gordon injury insurance, and ultimately possibly become Gordon's successor.

 
So where has this guy been slipping in recent rookie drafts? For MFL drafts after 8/15 he is 1.7 in ppr but 1.10 from 8/1 on. 

 
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