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WR Mike Williams, NYJ (3 Viewers)
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Dope
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Yep
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
gotta start him
Amused to Death
Footballguy
In my lineup over Claypool.
The Frankman
Footballguy
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Scooby1974
Footballguy
What is the deal with this guy. He either poops the bed, or goes off with 100+ and 2 TDs.
FBG ranks him really high rest of season but I'm not sure I understand why.
Is he as valuable as say, and A.J Brown?
FBG ranks him really high rest of season but I'm not sure I understand why.
Is he as valuable as say, and A.J Brown?
Leroy Hoard
Footballguy
Bench him at your own risk.
Chaka
Footballguy
19, 20, 30, 1, 36 & 3 points on 12, 10, 9, 4, 16 & 5 targets.
You really concerned about that?
I love AJ, and AJ could absolutely outperform Mike Williams RoS but he is absolutely worth at least as much as AJ.
Dynasty I may trade Williams for AJ because of injury history/potential but considering how this season is shaping up there is no way I trade Williams for AJ. This looks like Williams's career year.
Chaka
Footballguy
@Scooby1974
FTR an owner in my league (redraft, wr & te combined) ) dropped AJ for Dalton Schultz before week 6 and I immediately added AJ (dropped Khalil Herbert).
So my perspective of the values of AJ and Williams may be a little skewed.
FTR an owner in my league (redraft, wr & te combined) ) dropped AJ for Dalton Schultz before week 6 and I immediately added AJ (dropped Khalil Herbert).
So my perspective of the values of AJ and Williams may be a little skewed.
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Tau837
Footballguy
IIRC this projection was for 16 games, not 17. Not sure if I am remembering that right.
9 games in, 41/608/6 on 72 targets. That is a 17 game pace of 77/1148/11.
However, he has 10/137/0 on 21 targets over his last 4 games, so it is arguable that simple scaling overprojects his final numbers given the recent struggles of the Chargers offense. It also assumes that he will remain healthy for the remaining 8 games.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Yes. After 4 games I looked like a genius, and now 9 in it's not looking good. I'm confused at to what has happened too - he still looks like the best receiver, the best stuff still happens when they target him, and their offense looking like crap coincides with the skid.IIRC this projection was for 16 games, not 17. Not sure if I am remembering that right.
9 games in, 41/608/6 on 72 targets. That is a 17 game pace of 77/1148/11.
However, he has 10/137/0 on 21 targets over his last 4 games, so it is arguable that simple scaling overprojects his final numbers given the recent struggles of the Chargers offense. It also assumes that he will remain healthy for the remaining 8 games.
Color me confused.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
I think Williams is a UFA next year. They should be playing Josh Palmer more at this point to see what they gave in him. Thought he looked good with limited time last week.
Chaka
Footballguy
They are thick in the hunt for the playoffs in a wide open AFC, why would they start "seeing what they have"?
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Because Williams really isn't doing anything more than Josh Palmer has been doing over the past 3 weeks. It's not like Williams is Davante Adams or Tyreek Hill of the Chargers. Right now he's putting up numbers like Josh Palmer, and maybe Palmer could do more with increased playing time. If Williams was significantly outplaying Palmer, then yeah, stick with Williams. That really hasn't been the case lately, and based on how Williams has been playing, he's probably not in their long term plans at WR.
That's just crazy talk. He started strong, he's a first round pick. They aren't going to take him out of the starting line up in a playoff run to see 'what they have'
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Absolutely and Williams is the starter and is having a great season. So he is going to continue to start.
Riffraff
Footballguy
Herbert is slumping, perhaps they should see what they have in Easton Stick. /sarcasm
Gotta like it when a WR slumps - they suck, but if a QB slumps - they'll work their way out of it. As if the QB slumping doesn't affect the WR.
ericttspikes
Footballguy
Herbert is a franchise QB, and if Williams is a franchise WR they'll pay him big bucks next year to keep him. Just noticing that in the past 3 weeks I thought Palmer has looked good in very limited play irregardless of Herbert slumping or not. As a fan, just curious to see what he could do with more targets. Maybe that doesn't happen this year, or ever.
last 3 games:
8 100 0 on 16 targets
6 68 1 on 6 targets
Chaka
Footballguy
Defenses game plan for a guy like Mike Williams and it looks like defenses may be catching up with Herbert too. The defense isn't doing them any favors and their inability to stop the run is a big factor in the Chargers being 29th in time of possession. Which actually speaks well for the offense as they are the only team in the bottom 10 with a winning record.
Good coaches scheme their way out of these kind of slumps and we have no idea if Staley & Lombardi are good coaches yet. It's easy to look like a genius with Drew Brees & Sean Payton or taking over Wade Philips's defense with Aaron Donald & Jalen Ramsey in their prime.
All this isn't to say Williams isn't in a huge slump in his own right. History isn't really on his side as to whether or not he will recover.
It will be interesting to see how the rest of the season goes for the Chargers.
But one thing for certain is it brings no benefit to sit Williams for Palmer at the moment.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
looked like a genius in most of my leagues early on because I bought shares of this guy everywhere "on the cheap"....I expected some regression, but this has been brutal.....and of course he is probably the poster child for as soon as you bench him he goes 8-156-2....
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Chaka
Footballguy
And it isn't a bad observation on its surface. But where/when did Palmer's targets come? Two WR sets? Spread formations with Allen, Williams, Cook & Ekeler in the pattern? Short down & distance? 3 & forever? It makes a difference in the quality of targets and defensive coverage.
His TD came with 47 seconds left in the 4th, on 2 & 10 from the 24 with the Pats up by 10. I don't have the data for the Chargers players on the field at for that drive but that doesn't seem like a tight man coverage situation.
ETA: the only point is that context is important when trying to compare raw numbers.
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You make an excellent point on the Herbert. I think as a whole the league has just caught up with the chargers and they aren't scheming there way out of it.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
he dropped a pass on a slant inside the 10 which would have been a TD.....Herbert threw a bullet and it was on top of MW very quickly.....instead of being able to use his hands he kind of had to try and pin it up against his shoulder pads and it bounced off....would have helped a little....
TheWinz
Footballguy
He is also a piece of the puzzle why you started 6-0, but we do live in a "what have you done for me lately" world. But yes, his last 4 weeks have sucked, and more important, he only has 21 targets during that span. The first 5 games he averaged a smidge over 10 targets, but the last 4 it's only a smidge over 5. Monitor his targets closely.
Stinkin Ref
IBL Representative
what kind of sucks is most of us probably drafted him as a WR3-4/flex option...and he balled out for us early....but then when we really kind of needed him to fill that role during some of the bye weeks he has pooped the bed...
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shadrap
Footballguy
I watched the last game. Williams was open a BUNCH on curl ins-8 to 12 yards.. never got the ball thrown to him.
Chaka
Footballguy
He was my WR4 but I got him in my lineup quick, fast and in a hurry by week 2 because I have always believed in his ability.
It's his durability that concerns me particularly because he had back problems and he has such a big frame. But I'm keeping him in my lineup at least one more week, mostly because he's my flex and that kind of upside is exactly what I want from my flex.
Football Jones
Footballguy
I was wondering if he's been open. Herbert is locked on Allen now, probly due to Ds doing some different things to confuse him & make it harder to go deep.
I expect Williams to come out of his slump, but it's hard to say when. I believe it's directly related to Herbert, not Williams' knee or anything else.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Mike Williams' season splits:
- Weeks 1-5: WR2
- Weeks 6-10: WR80
Boston
Footballguy
I think the lesson to learn as far as Dynasty goes is any time you trade for Mike Williams you need to make the draft picks you are trading conditional...never easy with this guy.
I don't buy for a second that his knee isn't a factor. He was dominant in the beginning of the year while managing to stay off the injury report, then after week 5 he's missed several practices with it and hasn't had a good game since. Even if he's 90% that's the difference between a stud vs. JAG.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Hmm... close contact. Wonder if that changes the mandatory 10 day for an unvax'd player? Because from being out for weeks 14 & 15 to a possibility of playing this weekend is kinda big lol.
Makes a huge difference. Unless he develops and tests positive for COVID between now and then he’s playing Sunday.
Instinctive
Footballguy
Do we know if he is vaccinated? I thought you couldnt be deemed a close contact if you were vaccinated.
TheWinz
Footballguy
Chargers coach Brandon Staley said Mike Williams is day-to-day and did not rule him out for Week 14 against the Giants.
Williams was added to the COVID list as a close contact of Keenan Allen, who was put on the list earlier this week. Because Williams is unvaccinated, he is out for five days. However, the five-day period starts at the time of the contact and that was deemed to have happened on Monday. While Williams will likely miss the entire week of practice, he should be able to suit up for the Chargers' Week 14 game against the Giants. Allen also has a shot at playing this week because he is vaccinated.
Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Nice he can sit in the IR spot until he comes off the Covid list, which sounds like we could hear some news by this weekend and obviously for sure an hour and a half before the 4:05 p.m. start EST. I'm holding Aiyuk in case he doesn't play. SF plays at 4:25 p.m. I think he still must continue to get tested like every day.
